Spencer Ackerman presents the unproven claim that Al Qaeda terrorists are mentally ill. This ignores the historical and political and economic motivations that fester in the MidEast. Ackerman has presented the official story that the “Underwear Bomber” was allowed to board Flight 253 because there was no evidence that Abdulmutallab was a terrorist. But almost from the capture of this terrorist, witnesses have claimed that this terrorist received help boarding the flight from security officials. This was denied, until the government admitted it had lied.
Abdulmutallab was under investigation and was allowed to board an airliner without a passport but with a bomb. Ackerman continued to present a false story in posts at Firedoglake, based on his anonymous government sources, even though he apparently was aware that “intelligence officials’ were assisting this terrorist. Ackerman’s response, is to go into stonewall mode, because he disapproves of Conspiracy Theories.
In the post,“The Disturbed” by Spencer Ackerman, describes the reasons and motivations for Al Qaeda, and specifically, KSM and the Underwear Bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. It is mental illness. This is based on an anonymous source who knows a lot about Al Qaeda. Perhaps, this is a government source, but this meme has no evidence to support it. Ackerman has no experience in Psychiatry but he can read the minds of KSM and Underwear Bomber. It is deceptive to echo this nonsense, which probably should be considered neo-con disinformation.
Al Qaeda does not really exist as an organization. It is a small, loose confederation of mercenaries, spies and murderers, who are sometimes deadly, and frequently incompetent. It is not a real organization with a fixed membership such as Skull And Bones. But the evidence is that their motivation is a legitimate and logical to them. The exploitation of the Mideast by Oil Companies and the violent crimes against the people of Palestine is more than enough reasons for a few people to take up violence. Certainly some of them are psychopaths and religious extremists, but so are neo-cons.
Spencer implies that “dedicated conspiracy theorists” are also mentally ill.. That is people who use DISPERATE, not DESPERATE, facts without much rigor. Spencer is dedicated to creating a world free of Conspiracy Theories. With the help of his many anonymous high government secret sources, Spencer fights against these foolish rants.
“If you’ve ever talked to a dedicated conspiracy theorist, you know how much rigor goes into marshaling disperate facts into a superficially-coherent theory.”
Spencer, himself has been a Dedicated Conspiracy Theorist (DCT). He certainly was one when he supported the Irak War repeating the propaganda about non-existent weapons of mass destruction. The Warmongers created false propaganda that Saddam Hussein was a sufficient threat to require War, and Spencer helped in a small way with this effort. These same corporate criminals from Goldman Sachs and Enron and the Oil Companies, are still directing the wars and the Shock Doctrine of Disaster Capitalism.
Spencer at one time was a Dedicated 9-11 Conspiracy Theorist. He believed that Saudi Arabia was behind the 9-11 attacks.
"Certain Sensitive National Security Matters." The section cites "specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers," which most commentators have interpreted to mean Saudi contributions to Al Qaeda-linked charities. But an official who has read the report tells The New Republic that the support described in the report goes well beyond that: It involves connections between the hijacking plot and the very top levels of the Saudi royal family. "There’s a lot more in the 28 pages than money. Everyone’s chasing the charities," says this official. "They should be chasing direct links to high levels of the Saudi government. We’re not talking about rogue elements. We’re talking about a coordinated network that reaches right from the hijackers to multiple places in the Saudi government."
Now Spencer is a very important Dee Cee Poser. He has access to Very Important Anonymous Officials, which makes you very special in Dee Cee. He has moved from the wingnut propaganda rag of the New Republic to one of the best blogs ever, FDL.
But Spencer is a young, and did not go through the clusterfuck of VietNam and COINTELPRO with the US government waging war against its own citizens. Spencer does not understand the VietNam War at all. He claimed that Democrats had to support the War in Irak because they were "haunted by
Vietnam". Only neo-cons are haunted by VietNam, the rest of us have the Bushie oil wars to haunt us. Same as it ever was, then as now with a secret unaccountable government, that needs public shills to catapult the propaganda. You pay a price to be embedded in bankster Secret Government which controls a corrupt national security “community”.
Governments always lie if they can, and government spies always lie. We now have the government secretly hiring Public Relations companies and Corporate Lobbyists to manipulate facts and create wars. But the reason there are conspiracy theories is because there are conspiracy facts. Governments, without the knowledge of their people has carried out many False Flag Operations usually to help Multinational Corporations. Destruction of he Reichstag, numerous “Coups” by the CIA to overthrow democratically elected governments., such as Iran, The Gulf Of Tonkin, Watergate, COINTELPRO, Iran-Contra, Operation Gladio, the 2004 Madrid Train Bombings, Russian Apartment bombings in 1999, are just a few examples. Certainly the Underwear Bomb Plot on Christmas, 2009, received assistance from “Intelligence Officials”.
Spencer’s ATTACKERMAN poses as a fearless national security expert. This is questionable. Ackerman claims that Al Qaeda was responsible for the Madrid bombings in 2004. This claim is false. He has failed to pursue the real issues and stories, Ledeen and the Niger Forgeries, the many Cheney False Flag Ops, Sibel Edmonds revelations, the assassinations of David Kelly and Pat Tillman and Benazir Bhutto the admission by Zelikow that Irak was fought for Isreal and of course the National Security Agency’ spying on us all while carrying out a secret war against DCT’s. Crickets….
I respectfully explained that the evidence showed Underwear bomb attack was apparently an inside job according to witnesses. Then Spencer insulted me and did not comment on the facts, until I persisted. The facts were reported in the Detroit News, but not the Washington Independent. Here is a slightly edited version of the comments.
Frank33 March 11th, 2010 at 9:31 am
UnderWear Bomber, Inside Job. Oh just a Conspiracy Theory you say. The Detroit News discovered that Underwear was allowed to board an airliner with a bomb. It was a conspiracy by “intelligence officials” according to the State Department. You may recall the official denials about this incredibly clumsy False Flag Op. Is Dougie Feith still running these? Of course the Village Stenographers in Dee Cee have chosen to cover this up as usual.
At least they have some real reporters in Detroit. But these intelligence officials did put that airliner at risk, allowing a real bomb. The first WTC attack had a similar scenario. In 1993, Federal agents knew all about Al Qaeda Bomb plot and allowed it to proceed and six people were killed.
Patrick F. Kennedy, an undersecretary for management at the State Department, said Abdulmutallab’s visa wasn’t taken away because intelligence officials asked his agency not to deny a visa to the suspected terrorist over concerns that a denial would’ve foiled a larger investigation into al-Qaida threats against the United States.
“Revocation action would’ve disclosed what they were doing,” Kennedy said in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security. Allowing Adbulmutallab to keep the visa increased chances federal investigators would be able to get closer to apprehending the terror network he is accused of working with, “rather than simply knocking out one solider in that effort.”
Spencer Ackerman March 11th, 2010 at 9:57 am
I think my point was just proven.
Frank33 March 11th, 2010 at 10:48 am
In response to Spencer Ackerman @ 4 (show text)
So who tells you what “conspiracy theories” to deprecate? Cass Sunstein? Got any linkies to prove you understand the mind of the Underwear Bomber-controlled by “US officials”. Do you have any linkies about the harmful versus the government approved Conspiracy Theories?
Here is one from 1993.
Frank33 March 11th, 2010 at 11:55 am
COGNITIVE INFILTRATION! Oh please comment on how UnderWear B, son of a multi millionaire bankster, could be so depressed. Since we are now practicing psychiatry without a license. Since Spencer has access to so many important guvmint officials, he needs to ask them how they can endanger hundreds of people with their stupid conspiracy.
Spencer, you keep attacking the Conspiracy Theorists, and you will get some K-Street Credibility.
Spencer Ackerman March 11th, 2010 at 11:58 am
In response to Frank33 @ 7 (show text)
That’s what I want. Me and the other Jews. And then we will come to eat your braiiiiiiiiiin
Frank33 March 11th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
In response to Spencer Ackerman @ 8 (show text)
Oh, playing the Jew Card. That is a mistake. Once again, ask your high level sources if the Dept. of State is lying about the Dept. of False Flag Ops. Is the Detroit News lying?
Spencer Ackerman March 11th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
In response to Frank33 @ 9 (show text)
The Detroit News didn’t “discover” anything — no disrespect to them — they faithfully reported Pat Kennedy’s January testimony about how the intelligence community didn’t want Abdulmutallab’s visa revoked because it would jeopardize their investigation of Abdulmutallab. That is not anything conspiratorial, it’s a legitimate intel/law enforcement challenge. It’s not a “false flag” or “inside job” operation. And it’s not “allowing” Abdulmutallab onto the plane with a bomb. It’s a legitimate investigative concern, and the trouble is that Abdulmutallab wasn’t not subsequently placed on a no-fly list where he could have been stopped from boarding a plane.
You simply don’t understand the very material you’re presenting as evidence of a conspiracy theory. Nothing I say or do will ever change your mind, and accordingly, I don’t care. It was a mistake for me to respond to your foolish ranting and the mistake ends this moment.
Frank33 March 11th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
And it’s not “allowing” Abdulmutallab onto the plane with a bomb.
Oh just incompetent security who failed to search Underwear or at least make him take off his shoes. He was escorted onto the plane by Security by the way. This would still be secret but passengers reported it.
It’s a legitimate investigative concern, and the trouble is that Abdulmutallab wasn’t not subsequently placed on a no-fly list where he could have been stopped from boarding a plane.
You are incredibly supportive of the national security neo-cons who have one failure after the other.
Nothing I say or do will ever change your mind, and accordingly, I don’t care. It was a mistake for me to respond to your foolish ranting and the mistake ends this moment
Perhaps you should go to DKos where “Conspiracy Theories” are censored. I present facts that you first deny then admit are true. The government allowed a known terrorist aboard an airliner, and failed to search him. I also presented evidence that the first WTC attack was known to “Security officials”. Then these officials lied about both of these attacks.
Your “meme” about the psychological reasons for “Jihad Terrorism” is doubtful. Your knowledge of KSM and Al Qaeda also is quite incomplete, and seems to follow the fiction of Philip Zelikow. You call me foolish and have insulted me but I have called you no names. I may start.
When confronted with too many facts, Attacker man RETREATED. I am so sad he decided to not talk to me anymore. To summarize, “intelligence officials” assisted Abdulmutallab aboard a jetliner, although he was carrying a bomb. He was being investigated already, but we still do not know where the bomb came from. If he had been under surveillance, should we not know where the bomb came from? Spencer endorses the “legitimate investigative concerns” and has no criticism of these officials and does not apologize for the false information in his posts at Firedoglake.
Was this known terrorist even searched? Public reports say that he had three ounces of explosives, which might not have caused much serious damage. But 8 or 10 ounces could damage a critical component and bring down an airliner. If Underwear had successfully carried out his mission, there would have been no witnesses to expose US Government complicity. President Obama would be called weak against terrorism and he would be blamed for killing hundreds of people. Spencer would be the first one to explain how and why Al Qaeda is.so crazy. No one would ever know that “intelligence officials” helped blow up an airliner. As far back as 1994, Ramzi Yousef had planned attacks against airliners by placing small bombs above the plane’s fuel tank. Security officials allowed Underwear to be seated above a fuel tank, with a bomb in his pants, according to Slate.com.
Had the PETN explosion occurred according to plan and had it penetrated downward, there may indeed have been a "Christmas Day massacre"— seat 19A, where Abdulmutallab spent the flight, is conveniently located about 7 or 8 feet above the fuel tanks. From Abdulmutallab’s lap, the blast would have had to go through his body, the seat cushion, the aluminum and titanium floorboards, and a lot of plastic. If he’d placed the PETN on the floor next to the wall, he would have been more likely to succeed.*
It has not been widely reported that assistance was given to Terrorist by the US Government. It is amazing that Mr. Kennedy said that Underwear was not on the No-Fly List because he was a dangerous terrorist. That seems to suggest if you are on the No-Fly List, you are not dangerous, but it is punishment for being a political dissident. Spencer casually refers to “Pat” Kennedy suggesting they are acquainted. Perhaps we should invite Pat, to visit here to explain why this should not be called a False Flag Op.
Spencer reported on Dec. 31, that Underwear was allowed to board Flight 253 because there was not sufficient evidence that Underwear was a terrorist. But this was not an intelligence failure. Flight 253 was not destroyed. On Feb. 15, at FDL, we learned “al-Qaeda Growing More Cartoonishly Evil, Substantively Pathetic”. Spencer failed to mention the January testimony of Kennedy, effectively continuing the coverup.
Spencer ignored very public reports that were initially denied by the US Government.
A US couple on Flight 253 said they saw a tall, well-dressed man aged about 50 with Abdulmutallab at Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport before he boarded the plane.
Kurt and Lori Haskell claimed the man spoke for Abdulmutallab and attempted to get him aboard the flight without a passport, the Reuters news agency reported.p>
Today is the second worst day of my life after 12-25-09. Today is the day that I realized that my own country is lying to me and all of my fellow Americans…
When the bomb sniffing dogs arrived, 1 dog found something in a carry on bag of a 30 ish Indian man. This is not the so called "Sharp Dressed" man. I will refer to this man as "The man in orange". The man in orange, who stood some 20ft away from me the entire time until he was taken away, was immediately taken away to be searched and interrogated in a nearby room. At this time he was not handcuffed. When he emerged from the room, he was then handcuffed and taken away…The FBI has, since we landed, insisted that only one man was arrested for the airliner attack (contradicting my account). However, several of my fellow passengers have come over the past few days, backed up my claim, and put pressure on FBI/Customs to tell the truth. Early today, I heard from two different reporters that a federal agency (FBI or Customs) was now admitting that another man has been held…
For the last five days I have been reporting my story of the so called "sharp dressed man." For those of you who haven’t read my account, it involves a sharp dressed "Indian man" attempting to talk a ticket agent into letting a supposed "Sudanese refugee" (The terrorist) onto flight 253 without a passport. I have never had any idea how it played out except to note that the so called "Sudanese reefugee" later boarded my flight and attempted to blow it up and kill me…Please note that there is a very easy way to verify the veracity of my prior "sharp dressed man" account. Dutch police have admitted that they have reviewed the video of the "sharp dressed man" that I referenced. Note that it has not been released anywhere, You see, if my eye witness account is false, it could easily be proven by releasing the video.
We have seen widespread coverup of not just Underwear Bomber, but also many other crimes commited in the name of national security. Huffington Post and Daily Kos routinely censor posts. Hopefully, this little old lake will continue to allow us troublemakers a forum. I wonder if the Washington Independent also practices censorship. I am guessing YES!