I’ve always liked Mavericks.
No, not the kind of phony, self-appointed, faux “mavericks” like: John McCain, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, etc, who are really nothing more than pro-War, pro-Corporatist, pro-Bankster, pro-NAFTA…..status-quo shills in disguise.
But the original thinkers, the creative minds….be it: Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Bernie Sanders, Cynthia McKinney, etc. Those rare voices that aren’t afraid to tear down the Sacred Cows of U.S. Corruption and speak truth to power. My how they stick out a mile away when they get the rare chance to debate on TV. The truth is sometimes, well … shocking.
Well along comes freshman Senator Rand Paul, and he has already broken all the rules and published this thoughtful, and very substantive policy proposal in the Wall Street Journal. Key Excerpts:
A Modest $500 Billion Proposal
By Rand PaulMy spending cuts would keep 85% of government funding and not touch Social Security or Medicare.
The first thing to note here is the seriousness of the proposal. This is:
Not a $35 Billion dollar cut…Not a $50 Billion dollar cut…Not a $75 Billion dollar cut … but a $500 Billion dollar cut.
The second and most remarkable point here is that Rand Paul has the compassion, unlike Barack Obama and his catfood for Seniors Alan Simpson run “Deficit Commission”, to leave untouched Social Security and Medicare — while focusing on the big ticket Sacred Cows that all Republicans and most all Democrats dare not speak ill of.
A $500 Billion dollar cut with Social Security and Medicare untouched!
I’m listening…
This alone puts Barack Obama’s own “deficit cutting” efforts as both 1) pathetic in significance, and 2) on the wrong moral side of the equation by comparision.
So where does Rand Paul want to cut?
Let us continue…..Rand?
One of Commerce Department’s main functions is delivering corporate welfare to American firms that can compete without it. My proposal would scale back the Commerce Department’s spending by 54%, and eliminate corporate welfare.
My proposal would also cut wasteful spending in the Defense Department. Since 2001, our annual defense budget has increased nearly 120%. Even subtracting the costs of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, spending is up 67%. These levels of spending are unjustifiable and unsustainable.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates understands this and has called for spending cuts, saying “We must come to realize that not every defense program is necessary, not every defense dollar is sacred or well-spent, and more of everything is simply not sustainable.”
Sadly, the “Democrat” in power, Barack Obama, would never agree to cutting these Sacred Cows of government waste enumerated by Rand Paul to this degree, and instead place the focus on putting Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block. So who’s really on the side of the American public here?
Cuts to the Departments of Agriculture and Transportation would create over $42 billion in savings each, while cuts to the Departments of Energy and Housing and Urban Development would save about $50 billion each. Removing education from the federal government’s jurisdiction would create almost $80 billion in savings alone.
Add to that my proposed reductions in international aid, the Departments of Health and Human Services, Homeland Security and other federal agencies, and we arrive at over $500 billion.
I think we all know that government subsidies (paid with money taken from our pockets) to various Industries — be it Energy or Agriculture distorts the whole free market illusion, and just contributes to big Factory Farms (which are unhealthy), the death of the small American farmer, and Evil Empires such as Energy Monopolists like Halliburton, Enron, Exxon-Mobile, Chevron, etc.
Cuts in Homeland Security, and the many billions wasted away on the IMF (Banksters) and “Aid to Israel” — are one more great illustration of finally cutting George Orwell out of the American experience, and not Frankin Roosevelt (the preferred choice by Obama and his advisors).
As for cuts in Housing Development and Education, progressives will have a harder time signing on to these initiatives perhaps, but let us also remember here that citizens have the most control over local government and the least control over “thou shall do .. ” Agencies in Washington, D.C. And isn’t local control over Education a bit more practical anyway? Maybe the CIA, or other think-tank approved thought police would then no longer be writing our “History books”. Maybe a local community could appeal for that Music & Arts Department to be continued more easily … than by trying to appeal to remote, rich GOP fascists in Washington, D.C. who don’t give a damn.
Overall, this is a remarkably big, bold, and imaginative proposal that actually would make a real difference, and cut a lot of the Orwellian Empire out of government.
And isn’t that just what real Mavericks are suppose to do?
Cut from the Corporatist, War-Profiteering Sacred Cows and protect Social Security and Medicare. Isn’t this change that we can really believe in?
Rand Paul has hit a home run here.
This is the type of responsible “Deficit Commission” that a progressive would have and should have created — if only we had one in the White House.
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oh good grief
Good bold, innovative grief!
Innovative is just what we need, especially if it gives grief to the PTB.
outside the box….how far can we go?
Need a bold, innovative deodorizer.
Never was there a better place for a limerick contest.
I especially like the part about cutting the Department of Health and Human Services. Pardon me, but are you unwell? People are already dying and you want to cut more? Paul is a nut job.
The usual constipated reaction from the enlightened free thinkers, sheesh.
Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, etc. (Sanders)
Being principled, standing for something other than the status quo, is meaningful! There is more democracy represented by these individuals than the rest of Congress.
Obama and the Democrats have been working on throwing you to the wolves for several decades, – what’s wrong with you?
Who should freesociety, or myself be looking up to, from your ranks? I know what you are rejecting, but I’d really would like to know what, and who, it is you are offering?
Recc’d!
freesociety,
permission to cross post?
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A wise man once said: “I like to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.”
If Rand Paul is on the record for not touching SS and is also on the record for cutting defense spending and homeland security by significant amounts, I support him wholeheartedly on those particular issues.
That’s more support than I can muster for anything Obama is doing right now.
hear, hear!
That’s what a wise man said; does EDP have an opinion on the issue at hand, or Alt ID’s quite sober assessment below?
Does anyone know what happened to the Patriot Act Today?
“Reporting from Washington — The Republican-led House failed to pass an extension of expiring sections of the Patriot Act on Tuesday, an unexpected setback for GOP leaders that shows the difficulty they face in controlling their majority and its “tea party”-inspired members.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-patriot-act-20110209,0,7028555.story
Thank You Tea Partiers!!!
Dear Diary Author:
SHow me the details of his cuts, cuz all I’ve read from you is hyperbole.
And I’ve read other analysis of Paul’s proposal and most I’ve read suggests he’s greatly lacking in DETAIL.
No, I didn’t save linky’s, but if you want to defend him, ya best google some analysis of his work . . . it’s sadly lacking that work is, but it’s sure full of fiery words and deeds to be done . . . just not spelled out HOW or WHERE in detail.
(I never should have replied to this one, sigh)
It’s only innovative if you don’t know anything about Afghanistan or Somalia. The end state of Libertarian political policies is Afghanistan or Somalia.
You want a drive somewhere in a Libertarian country? Build yourself a road, then build a car to drive on the road. You want to get some tires for your car? Build a tire factory, or build an airport for UPS to land that cargo plane carrying your 4 tires you ordered off the internet. Oh… the internet. Hehehe… You didn’t lay a few thousand miles of fibre-optic cable, did you? Then you ain’t got no internet. Need to take a crap? You’re “free” to build your own sewer or go dig a hole, dude. Got some wood to make the toilet paper out of? Ooops.
Looks like all that freedom gonna make Rand and Free real fucking tired. Tired of having to build every fucking thing they are used to having in a modern civilization from fucking scratch.
There is no free lunch. If you don’t want to pay for government services, you don’t get CIVILIZATION. You don’t pay for roads, you don’t get to drive anywhere. You don’t want to pay for public education, YOU will pay 10X more for private schools, or your children will be illiterate video game players that never move out of your house. You don’t want to pay for health care, you get PANDEMICS. You don’t want to pay for low income housing, you get huge numbers of homeless people getting sick from those pandemics. Anti-biotic-resistant Tuberculosis has made TB a killer here in the United States mostly among the homeless.
Think I’m exaggerating?
That Fire Chief and firefighters that stood there and watched that a guy’s house burn down when he hadn’t paid his year’s firefighter service fee.
Rand Paul Libertarians.
Adam, Adam,
You must look past the facile labels. The shit the Dems. are passing through is the worst of American Libertarian prescriptions. Look at the Dodd-Frank bill; it’s effectively worse than deregulation, to say nothing of Clinton’s Commodity Futures Modernization Act!
It’s the Democrats gunning for your SS, and Medicare, with no help from the Libertarians, who instead want to dismantle the Empire and audit the frickin FED, with no help from the Dems! You will be handed your Somalia wrapped in a bow by the ‘Progressives’, and Afghanistan is an Obama paradise – hello!
We are living in an upside down, inside out world. Harking to some outdated idolized views of the Dem. Party will only end in heartbreak.
Get with it, puhleese!
When the municipalities, on account of your favorite congress critters will cut the fire department by 50%, you’ll be able to watch lot’s of homes going up in flames. Watch their actions, rather than taking their 30 year record of lies as gospel, for crying out loud!
Agreed. I’m with him. What so wrong with wanting to preserve SS and Medicare and cutting defense spending? I can’t stand it when people reject the message simply because they don’t like the messenger. Yes, I know the Department of Health and Human Services is important, but it won’t be cut: too many Aetna and United Health Care execs are counting on it to administer Obama’s Health Insurance Giveaway Act.
I agree with you. It’s all hands on deck time. An innovative approach is to be welcomed regardless of the affiliation of the individual.
After listening, and thinking, we can always turn back to the current regime for more “alligator mouth and hummingbird ass.”
Your every wish is my command.
Mohammed Ibn Laith.
Really free society ? Based on what you have written he is exactly as smart as I think, which is not very damned. You cut 500 billion out of the Federal Budget at this point you will kill the tepid economic recovery that we have.
This is all hyperbole.
Protecting SS and Medicare while cutting the Defense budget and ending corporate welfare is at least SOMETHING I can get behind. I search in vain on a daily basis to find ANYTHING the Democrats are up to that isnt just more corporate and empire fellating.
Shouldn’t that read ‘…ANYTHING the Democrats are up to, that the Republicans won’t shoot down ‘just for the hell of it’?
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AquaBuddha. Enuf said.
Recommended, especially in light of the tone of some of the comments here.
Seriously people, we can’t think a little outside the box? Like when the FDL community teamed up with the Ron Paul people to push Audit the Fed through? Jane and Grover Norquist? Come on.
Like one upthread said, it is all hands on deck time. We don’t have to agree with these people. Hell, on paper, Rand Paul is one of the worst of the worst.
BUT…
Where else are we going to find even a hint of a shade of possiblity of peacefully weakening the corporate/state apparatus? I’ll gladly trade the department of education and DHHS stuff in the short term to end corporate welfare and seriously scale down the size of the military.
Are there no serious people on the left that would be willing to take that trade? Really???
Of course the Paul position is just vanity and posturing. Of course it’s not going anywhere. But as long as the Democrats are the socially liberal wing of the Republican Party what other allies for either of those goals to you see?
Let’s suppose for a minute though, for the sake of argument, that this could actually be seriously proposed, debated, and voted on in the Congress. Imagine that scenario. Now, who thinks that Rand Paul would be willing to compromise on the DofE and DHHS stuff to get the defense cuts and corporate welfare elimination? I certainly do.
Is it ideal? No. But neither is our situation as a country. In times of crisis, when no one in the establishment can even see most of the problems let alone has the will and power to help, we should be trying to get as much as we can anyway how. Sometimes, as Jane and Grover understand, that means strange bedfellows.
Either way, nice to see at least no one is calling names, even if some are being unnecessarily mean.
Rand Paul works for the Republican Party.
The Democrats lie a lot. The Republicans lie ALL THE TIME.
Democracy is the art of compromise but there has to be a starting point. This proposal by Rand Paul could very well be just that. Unlike BHO who takes everything off the table first and then starts negotiating.
Not everything in Paul’s proposal would happen but at least this is a better begining point than anything the Pres. or Dems have been willing to even contemplate
Republicans lie ALL THE TIME. The only rule in DC you set your watch by. Republicans lie ALL THE TIME.
The GOP will claim they are going to cut the corporate welfare in exchange for cutting The Department of Education. WILL NOT HAPPEN. NOT NOW. NOT EVER. The Department of Education will get axed. THE CORPORATE WELFARE WILL NOT BE.
That what’s happened every time the GOP has “made a deal” to cut corporate welfare since McKinnley was President. The progressive idea does get cut. The corporate welfare gets left untouched. How stupid do you think we are? THE GOP has been saying the same shit for a century.
The GOP is Lucy. The Progressives are Charlie Brown. Corporate Welfare is THE FOOTBALL. The GOP always pulls the football back. The GOP NEVER EVER allows the corporate welfare to be cut. The GOP will find some excuse for keeping it. Always has. Always will.
The Republicans lie ALL THE TIME. Moving lips = lying.
People who defend Obama and the Dems and get hyperbolic over people like Rand Paul are playing right into the duopolistic charade. They focus on, and get riled up about, attention-seeking Repubs and in the process gloss over and offer excuses for the actions of the Dems.
The message is that we must support the Dems, who are actively screwing us on a daily basis, because they are all that stand between us and the unspeakable horrors of the Repubs. The result is that we are expected to support a corporatist administration that has institutionalized and expanded on Bush, because somehow that will protect us from the rhetoric of some Republican politicians pandering to their base.
So you end up with some people unable to say something as simple as “I am against many (or most, or almost all, or whatever…) of the things that Rand Paul stands for, but he has a point about saving SS and cutting many of the things he wants to cut”.
I could replace every instance of “GOP” and “Reblicans” in your rant with “Dems” and it would be just as accurate.
Rand Paul hasn’t stopped lying since he walked off the stage of The Rachel Maddow Show. Rand Paul IS one of the unspeakable horrors of the GOP.
What part of the Rand Paul’s Traveling Freak Show have you missed? I can get you up to speed if you like.
An EDP in NYPD parlance is an emotionally disturbed person. No disrespect meant there, edp. ;)
Well said. I really don’t understand the problem here. If Kucinich and the Baggers can slow down the Patriot Act juggernaut and Rand wants to spare what’s left of the American safety net by closing the Pentagon money grab what the hell is the problem? Keep your eye on the prize, not bloody ideology.
You’d be lying. You could claim it was true, though.
You could say “the sun is made orange juice.” You’d be lying about that too.
Republicans lie all the time.
There are a few good Democrats left that don’t lie all the time, and get a few decent things accomplished.
Ron Wyden got the COICA Act blocked, which would have allowed websites to be blocked without a hearing of any kind.
Bernie Sanders tried
Al Franken got an amendment to the defense authorization act would withhold defense contracts from companies like KBR “if they restrict their employees from taking workplace sexual assault, battery and discrimination cases to court.”
I agree that it completely sucks that all Progressives have to show for the first two years of Obama is is stopping Federal Contractors from raping their female employees. It’s something though.
The GOP has ZERO to show Progressives. Nothing but lies and more lies.
So I guess you are going to explain how Rand Paul is lying about the need to protect SS and the need to cut Defense and Homeland security?
What has he done that is so unspeakably horrific? Has he continued needless and horrific wars? Expanded kidnapping and indefinite renditions? Expanded drone attacks that kill innocent people? Continued to support brutal and repressive dictators while mouthing platitudes of democracy and freedom? Favored the rich and powerful at the expense of the poor and middle class?
Please do. If you want to bring up MSM-exploited incidents that his his supporters have done, please be equally demanding of accountability for what people who work for Obama have done and are doing to this day. In other words, what his campaign worker did was terrible and should be punished, but if you think that is worse than what Obama’s employees are doing in Guantanamo or in other parts of the world with drones, then I’d have to say you have no principles at all and are an authoritarian tribalist.
Because Rand Paul WILL NOT touch the Pentagon. Just like No Child Left behind was a Big fucking lie because the GOP refused to allow the money they agreed with Ted Kennedy to spend on education to be allocated after the fact.
The GOP stole the money the Education Department was supposed to get in No Child Left Behind and sent it to the Pentagon anyway.
The Tea-partiers just helped nip the Patriot Act in the bud.
Sanders (independent) joined hands with Ron Paul (independent); Sanders must be a liar and a traitor by your frothing measures.
You missed the point. You make blanket claims about all Republicans. That is no more accurate than making blanket claims about all Dems.
What does that have to do with the merits of Paul’s position on SS and defense and homeland security spending?
I’ll take any politician publicly advocating that SS not be cut over the duplicitous BS coming from Obama and the Dems.
If Rand Paul’s lips are moving, he’s lying.
He hasn’t been truthful about anything since his Senate campaign started.
Rand Paul manages to tell five huge lies in his five minute GOP Senate Nomination acceptance speech
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It did not take long for Paul to start adopting Republican ways after he won. Amazingly, Paul managed to fit in five major mistruths in his five-minute acceptance speech. What is more, nearly half of the speech was dedicated to thanking his family. Here are the top five distortions in Paul’s speech:
#1: “I have a message. A message from the Tea Party…We have come to take our government back.”
As far as I can tell, the Tea Party never lost their government. People lose elections all the time. Democrats were in the minority during the first Bush term. This does not mean that their government abandoned them. A good number of Republican politicians (i.e. Rep. Michelle Bachmann, Sen. Jim Demint) do, in fact, represent Tea Party interests. If the government was truly lost, then Rand Paul would not be giving an acceptance speech. In a true tyranny, Paul and those like him would never even be able to run for election. The fact that they have the ability to win in November proves that “government” was never taken away from them. They simply lost.
#2: “We have come to take the government back from the special interests who think that the federal government is their own personal ATM.”
Paul’s statement is hilarious given the tremendous backing the Tea Party receives from special interests groups which are backed by corporate money. Most notable are Freedom Works and Americans for Prosperity who both supply millions to the Tea Party from business interests.
#3: “The Tea Party movement is huge. The mandate of our victory tonight is huge.”
Actually, what Paul was able to effectively do is to “out right” the right in Kentucky. Senator Mitch McConnell tried to hand the nomination to Trey Greyson. In fact, in today’s anti-incumbent atmosphere, McConnell’s endorsement was essentially the kiss of death. This was a state race, not a national race. President Obama won by a large margin over Senator John McCain nationally, but the President lost Kentucky by a 41%-58% margin. So how is a really conservative politician winning in Kentucky that much of a surprise or any kind of “mandate” for that fact?
#4: “We now have a President who apologizes for our greatness.”
A google search of President Obama apologizing for America’s greatness produces many articles from conservatives, but no quotes from the President making any such apologies.
#5: “The President, by attending Copenhagen, gives credibility and credence to these folks and he should not go.”
By Paul’s reasoning President Reagan endorsed communism. After all, President Reagan attended multiple conferences with Russian leaders. By Paul’s same reasoning, he will be giving “credibility and credence” to liberals by simply showing on the Senate floor. According to Paul, he should not attend any Senate hearings where any liberals or present for fear of giving them credence.
Attending a conference hardly means that one endorses the beliefs of all attendees. This is the same kind of flawed logic that Republicans tried to use in 2008 with the William Ayers/Reverend Wright nonsense.
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Except for the little detail that Republicans DO lie all the time now.
This is laughable. There’s no policy in your quotes. It’s BS designed to stoke his supporters at the expense of Obama and the Dems. What policy or action has resulted from anything he said in your quotes?
The lies that Obama tells do concern me because they result in actions that cause great harm not only in this country, but across the world.
Rawk! All Republicans lie ALL the time! Rawkk! Pay no attention to the lies of the Dems who are expanding and institutionalizing Bush! Rawkk!
Adam503 February 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
You need to offer some alternatives, Adam, because this, ultimately is what the Democratic Party is and has been embracing for the past 30 years :
“The U.S.-based CEO of one of the world’s largest hedge funds told me that his firm’s investment committee often discusses the question of who wins and who loses in today’s economy. In a recent internal debate, he said, one of his senior colleagues had argued that the hollowing-out of the American middle class didn’t really matter. “His point was that if the transformation of the world economy lifts four people in China and India out of poverty and into the middle class, and meanwhile means one American drops out of the middle class, that’s not such a bad trade,” the CEO recalled.”
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogfeb11/corp-jobs-02-11.html
get off the meds you’re on.
The Dems were in power, or have I missed something. If you cannot tell what this corporatist game is about at this late stage of the game, with all the historical record available, and what role the Democratic quislings play in it, then, imo, you are hopeless.
Wrong.
-Pay attention to ALL the liars. Note who’s lying and when they are lying.
-Vote ALL the liars out.
This would send home EVERY Republican, and MOST of the Democrats.
That said, “missling” and “Alternate ID,” I’m not stupid enough to ever fall for thinking a person who I know lies to me all the time (all Republicans) would ever be worthy of trust. Not even once. Rand Paul is a proven serial liar. Why are “missling” and “Alternate ID” stupid enough to think a serial liar is ever worthy of trust, even “just this one time?”
George W. Bush was President for No Child Left Behind.
Ohhh… yeah… HIM. Yeah, you forgot all about him, huh.
George W. Bush is cause of 99% of what’s wrong with the country.
WASHINGTON — Taking another unconventional stand, Kentucky’s Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul criticized President Barack Obama’s handling of the Gulf oil spill Friday as anti-business and sounding “really un-American.”
Paul’s defense of oil company BP PLC came during an interview as he tried to explain his controversial take on civil rights law, an issue that seemed to suddenly swamp his campaign after his victory in Tuesday’s GOP primary.
“What I don’t like from the president’s administration is this sort of, ‘I’ll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,’” Paul said in an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business…On the oil spill, Paul, a libertarian and tea party favorite, said he had heard nothing from BP indicating it wouldn’t pay for the spill that threatens devastating environmental damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast.
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“And I think it’s part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it’s always got to be somebody’s fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen,” Paul said.
The Senate candidate also referred to a Kentucky coal mine accident that killed two men, saying he had met with the families and he admired the coal miners’ courage.
“We had a mining accident that was very tragic. … Then we come in and it’s always someone’s fault. Maybe sometimes accidents happen,” he said.
Rand Paul thinks Obama has no right to Criticize BP about the Disaster in the Gulf?!? Thinks “accidents just happen” to MASSEY ENERGY?!?
Rand Paul is an extremist nut bar, for fuck sake. How about we wait 3 months and see if Rand Paul head implodes before letting the nuttyist fruit bat in the Senate loose on the whole freaking Federal Budget, huh?!?
Gee whiz, it's the lying Dems I am most concerned about since they are in power and implementing policy.
What is stupid is believing unequivicably that that all Repubs lie all the time. Or that even if Rand Paul lies a lot that his position on SS wrong
In any event, I’ll play your game. Please answer the following questions. No diversions or changing the subject allowed.
How many lies does someone have to tell to meet your definition of a serial liar? I’m curious what your metric is so that we can see if it applies to Obama.
Regardless of what you think about Paul, do you think it is bad that he is publicly stating that SS should go untouched?
You keep bringing up what Paul says and ignoring what the administration has done and is doing. So what if Paul favors corporations in his speech, the reality is that Obama’s actions favor corporations, in spite of what he says. You make a big show about how horrible it is what Paul says for the cameras and then turn around and completely ignore the duplicity and betrayal of Obama. Why is that?
Do you really believe that what Paul says is more horrendous than Obama’s actions of institutionalizing and expanding Bush in spite of his promises to reverse Bush?
Obama has been duplicitous about SS and all you can do is harp at people who commend Rand Paul for publicl supporting SS? You are something else.
Flinging trillions of dollars against a wall and seeing where the least experienced, most extremist fruit bat in the US Senate is not a plan.
WASHINGTON — Taking another unconventional stand, Kentucky’s Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul criticized President Barack Obama’s handling of the Gulf oil spill Friday as anti-business and sounding “really un-American.”
Paul’s defense of oil company BP PLC came during an interview as he tried to explain his controversial take on civil rights law, an issue that seemed to suddenly swamp his campaign after his victory in Tuesday’s GOP primary.
“What I don’t like from the president’s administration is this sort of, ‘I’ll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,’” Paul said in an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business…On the oil spill, Paul, a libertarian and tea party favorite, said he had heard nothing from BP indicating it wouldn’t pay for the spill that threatens devastating environmental damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast.
“And I think it’s part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it’s always got to be somebody’s fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen,” Paul said.
The Senate candidate also referred to a Kentucky coal mine accident that killed two men, saying he had met with the families and he admired the coal miners’ courage.
“We had a mining accident that was very tragic. … Then we come in and it’s always someone’s fault. Maybe sometimes accidents happen,” he said.
Rand Paul thinks Obama has no right to Criticize BP about the Disaster in the Gulf?!? Thinks “accidents just happen” to MASSEY ENERGY?!?
Rand Paul is an extremist nut bar. How about we wait a couple years before the the guy who thinks “accident just happen” to Massey Energy coal mines before letting him redo the whole Federal Budget. The porters are probably still hiding the good Senate silverware in the Senate Restaurant from Senators as new as Rand Paul. (The new guys take souvenirs home, it seems.) Might want to be at least as concerned about the whole Federal Government’s budget as they are the Senate silverware.
“Alternate ID” is clearly being paid by to post by a convervative advocacy group to fill message boards like these up with right wing. Note the clear by-the book talking point responses
Great points.
The Democrats had been in power in Congress since 2006.
Did they ever cut off the War Funding? No
Did they refuse to bail out Wall Street CEOs and crooks? No
Did they hold firm on the Public Option? No
As for Obama, all he is doing is ruining our Country by “legitmizing” the Bush-Cheney Foreign Policy of shame. It’s Bush’s 3rd-Term on Endless Warfare, Civil Liberties abuses, inJustice, and his idea of leadership is to first check with the Insurance Companies, Goldman Sachs, and Wall Street and see what they want to do.
It’s such a disgrace, and a lost opportunity.
This proposal, unlike Obama’s right-wing deficit commission, actually protects Social Security & Medicare — while cutting the fraud/waste/corruption by slashing National Defense (Offense really), taxpayer-funded Corporatism, and “Police State” largess.
Until Obama comes up with something better or fairer (and he won’t), then everyone should applaud this proposal.
The topic of the thread is “Rand Paul: Smarter Than You Think..”
He’s clearly not.
You’re wanted to talk about Rand Paul to people who didn’t already know how much of an extremist Paul is.
We know Paul is an extremist.
Now you want to change the subject to Obama.
No. This thread is about Rand Paul. What an extremist clown Rand Paul is. We’re not changing subjects.
Sure, be my guest!
adam503, so far, you have attacked my positions with absolutes about who is a liar and who is not. You have steadfastly refused to address the specifics about what I have said and instead respond with red herrings and diversions. Now, you lie about me and attempt to demonize me. Why?
Before you respond with anymore reactionary, authoritarian BS, please identify the “by-the book talking point” responses I have made making sure you annotate the appropriate talking point and its source.
Put up or shut up.
Exactly.
The only thing Obama has given us is “leadership” by seeking the policy recommendations that meet the approval of the: pro-War, pro-Neocon, pro-WallStreet, pro-NAFTA, pro-InsuranceCo robber barons.
He wasted an historic moment in time when the Democrats controlled all three branches of government, and wasted away that period by legitmizing and expanding the treacherous Cheney-Bush War mass-violence and Police-State tactics. And he wanted to gut Social Security so bad that he appointed a commission made up of right-wing idelogues totally hostile to it.
The Paul proposal protects Social Security & Medicare, and focus the cuts on the Warfare State, the Police-State, and taxpayer funded Corporatism where it properly belongs.
Wow. Ok, we can build on this. I want to stress that my OC is about general themes and ideas we should be considering. I didn’t like all the upthread comments dismissing the idea of working on something like this out of hand just because we’re talking about AquaBuddha here. Yeah, he’s crazy – but that’s not the point. Being nuts doesn’t mean that he can’t be useful sometimes.
First of all, it’s doesn’t matter if he’s lying or not. It’s a vanity play. And even if he was lying, then the progressives won’t vote for a bill where they kept all the conservative-only shit and didn’t end the corporate welfare. The president wouldn’t be behind it; it would be progressives and the tea partiers, for the most part, against the establishment of both parties. If both aren’t on board, it’s a no go – and this is all assuming it doesn’t get vetoed.
Of course the Republicans are all liars. Of course most of the Democrats are too. But it doesn’t matter in this, completely hypothetical, situation.
Second, Rand Paul and the tea partiers aren’t the Republican establishment. The only good thing I can think of about them is that they are anti-establishment. Rand Paul in particular, is a libertarian. And the one good thing about them being anti-establishment is…
We are too! They’re anti-establishment for the wrong reasons, and most of their ideas are crazy, sure, that’s true. But, sometimes there is convergence because we dislike a lot of the same things. They aren’t absent the desire to challenge established power. They desperately want to stick it to the president in every way, including putting stuff on his desk they like that he must sign for political expedience.
We don’t have to join hands with them, or merge any organizations, or start going to Paultard meetings. Sometimes, however, they will make it be known publicly that they are behind some legislation or an idea. And some of those times there may be things we like about what they want to do because we see a way to defang a corrupt institution of society. Instead of dismissing it out of hand because they are crazy Paultards, we should stop and remember that they have Congressional votes. And we have a president with a reelection campaign coming up that’s craven enough to force something down his benefactors throats now so he can get reelected, then shower them with favors his second term.
But mostly we should listen before we settle the usual conclusion that they are crazy tea partiers.
And some of them have votes in Congress. Votes we can use to move good stuff forward, like audit the fed,
Nonsense.
We’re not talking here about taking away roads or airports. I don’t think you even recognize the gravity of the problem. The U.S. Government is $60 Trillion dollars in total DEBT (unfunded mandates included). This forces us to borrow money (China, Saudi Arabia, Japan), and print money (diluting the money supply).
Both actions systematically generate interest (more DEBT), and this viscious circle systematically drives down the purchasing power of the U.S. Dollar, lowers the standard of living for Americans, and destablizes and kills our Economy.
Obama wants to keep wasting Trillions of dollars overseas on Endless Warfare, and corrupt money for Israel (bloodshed), and to Goldman Sachs and the Wall Street crooks. And if that isn’t bad enough, he also wants to gut Social Security & Medicare — which is why he created and setup a “deficit commision” composed of right-wing ideologs that are totally hostile to the social safety net.
Wake-up and see what’s been going on.
Now along comes an actual responsible, compassionate, and creative proposal that is designed around the goals of protecting Social Security & Medicare, and cutting from the Warfare State, Police State, and taxpayer funded (looted) Corporatism — and you want to attack that?
This would be the first positive change that our Country has had since the 1990s (when we had balanced budgets, a strong dollar, and a roaring Economy).
Buddy you’re whole argument is based on some imagined “zero government” scenario — something that no one is proposing here. But go on just throwing your own money down the toilet on War, Corporate looting, Police State nonsense — I just ask that you allow me NOT TO HAVE TO, and also spare the World of this awful fate.
All your posts here attack Democrats. Nothing bad said about Republicans or Conseveratives.
That means an conservative advocacy group is paying for your presence message board threads here.
You responded to my comment, I responded to your reply, and so on. The content of one reply led to the other. Now you are trying to self-righteously police the topic of my reply? That is laughable.
I hope you aren’t as dim as you sound.
What I did say is that I agreed with Paul on his statement to wall off SS and cut things like defense and homeland security. I also said that real, live, actions, occurring now, are more dangerous to me than what someone says.
Oh, “we’re” not changing the subject? First you say the topic is “Rand Paul: Smarter Than You Think..”. Now you claim it is about “What an extremist clown clown Rand Paul is.” If you want to be the topic policeman, learn how to follow your own rules.
Quite wrong.
All the DEBT is what is killing off our Economy. DEBT means that we have to borrow money (that we don’t have) from China (and Saudi Arabia), and that we also have to print Trillions of dollars.
Now these actions both systematically generate interest (and therefore more DEBT), and this viscious circle systematically drives down the purchasing power of the U.S. Dollar, lowers the standard of living for Americans, and destablizes and kills off our Economy.
It is no coincidence that our best Economy occurred during the years when Bill Clinton balanced the budget. That created a strong dollar, a rising standard of living, and investor confidence.
Wasting away trillions of dollars overseas does absolutely nothing to benefit Americans, or the Economy. Conversely, this generates massive runaway DEBT which destroys our currency, and weakens our Economy.
Goverments that abuse the supply of money destroy their currency and create mass poverty.
You need to stop drinking from the Obama cool-aide, and observe what has been going on in this Country since the 1970s .. when our DEBT began exploding.
Rand Paul isn’t “the GOP”
Rand Paul, like his father, is not going along with their old playbook.
Two diaries total.
One attacking Obama.
One attacking “Bush-haters”
You are most certainly a right wing political activist. There’s no such thing as un-paid right wing political activists. Money has to change hands for a right-winger to get off their dead ass and do anything.
Rand Paul is the one here proposing the big cuts in Defense.
So where do you get this “will not touch the Pentagon” stuff from?
OBAMA IS THE CLOWN THAT HAS CONTINUED ALL THE CHENEY-BUSH WAR GAMES!
***ModNote: Let’s be careful calling people liars.***
Again, you avoid responding to what I say and attempt to demonize me.
It is the Dems who have been institutionalizing and expanding on Bush. It is the Dems who have been enacting and perpetuating policies that hurt me, the country and the world. I speak out against being betrayed by the Dems who are in power and actively pursuing things I stand against, and you get in a snit because I don’t meet your expectations about Repub bashing. You are some piece of work.
When the Repubs are able to pass policies I am against, I’ll speak out against them as well as the Dems who enable them. With or without your permission.
Oh sure, and I’m the democratically elected president of Egypt.
So far, I have lauded Rand Paul for taking public progressive stands concerning SS and defense spending. I have also spoken out against an administration that has vigorously broken progressive promises in its zeal to expand upon the neocon status quo. Tell me, what is conservative about that, paid, or otherwise?
Kentucky’s Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul criticized President Barack Obama’s handling of the Gulf oil spill Friday as anti-business and sounding “really un-American.”…“We had a mining accident that was very tragic. … Then we come in and it’s always someone’s fault. Maybe sometimes accidents happen,” he said.
Rand Paul thinks Obama has no right to Criticize BP about the Disaster in the Gulf?!? Thinks “accidents just happen” to MASSEY ENERGY?!?”
That’s simple. Rand Paul was ONLY GUY in either political party in the last political cycle who defended both BP & Massey Energy. That guy doesn’t EVER become the hero at the end of the day. NEVER. NEVER EVER. Rand Paul is your next Tom Bliley, the next Phil Gramm, a fuck-up who maybe get their names on infamous banking deregulation bills that cause a global economic collapse… shit like that.
I don’t really give a crap about what Republicans say anymore, about Dems or anything else. The R’s went around the bend and over the falls a long time ago.
It’s the Dems that deserve scorn for utterly subverting the party and principles of FDR. They are the true traitors in my book. And many others nowadays.
Good point.
So much for your “gotcha” moment.
If you want to use my diaries as some sort of evidence, why not respond to the content you disagree with instead of bringing up titles designed to get people’s attention.
Oh sure, everybody knows that. The threat of water-boarding got it out of me.
At the risk of putting a damper on your emotional release, do me a favor and refrain from anymore self-righteous accusations until after you respond to what I’ve actually said.
This whole thread has been completely ruined.
A Progressive moderator needs to stop allowing avowed Libertarians from calling themselves and their proposals “progressives.” If you wish to call it an intentional attempt to confuse…
but we don’t want to use the word “lie,” that would be rude,whatever.
Just get the libertarian = progressive out of their posts on this board.
Libertarians are to the right of most exremist Republicans.
And since when do we have to we have to be careful about what we call the supporters of Bush/Cheney policies.
Are you claiming Bush/Cheney supporters weren’t liars on a regular basis?
Rand Paul is an extremist fruit bat. Get used to it. It will be happening a lot.
It’s been pointless talking to all/all Conservatives since the Republicans started the FOX News Talking Points era.
All politically aware Conservatives get their talking points for the day from a Fox News outlet in the morning. For the rest of the day, all right wingers say the same damn thing all the rest of the day.
It’s pointless talking to any of you the rest of the day, it’s like listening to a bunch of zombies.
“…brains. braaains. bbbbrasaaaainsss. brains..”
one_outer, if missling is commenting, you can count on the thread being hijacked.
All the dollar figures in that post are such fantastically outlandish exaggerations that there no point in replying to them. Only someone randomly typing numbers or no respect for the intellect of those reading the post would something like that.
All that’s missing from freesociety’s rubbish is an ObamaGollum.
Free Society…
You really sound like one of those “really about to lose your mind America has a Black President” guys.
Or so close to that kind of completely consuming hate I can’t tell the difference.
Too over the top, dude.
It’s all a lie, though. They know it’s all a lie, too.
They know the only thing there will be an actual real for the record vote will be on the Department of Education elimination.
Defense budget cuts will all be DC Kabuki theater of the almost real doesn’t somehow quite count votes. Like the Kabuki public option almost but not in the final language that went to the floor.
Corporate welfare cuts will be all Kabuki too.
Actually Adam, the Reps. are pretty honest about siding with the corporations, and essentially wanting to screw the plebes. The Liars are the Dems.
That’s utter crap.
We’re 20 years for near earth object asteroid mining. The mineral wealth that’s out there in near earth objects… just the ones that are easy to get to or fly close by Earth is astronomical. The value of those minerals in orbit where we don’t have to bring them there on a rocket obviously multiplies there value many times.
This was going to all be profit for NASA. Now a small fraction of it will go to paying off the economic collapse Phil Gramm and Bill Clinton caused. Bigger fractions will go to Virgin Galactic and whatever Paul Allen calls his Space Ship One corporation because they saw the big money in civilian space exploration/resource gathering.
I didn’t know you had a known prior rep here. I wouldn’t have responded.
You’d be good for a laugh it it wasn’t so pathetic.
Bird-dogging every everyone you disagree with, while responding with name-calling, lies, and diversions (pathetic), and then running to the mods for help (laughable).
But one thing stood out when you stooped low enough to accuse another poster racism without a shred of evidence (laughably pathetic).
You may look middle-aged, but you post like you never matured emotionally.
He’s a senator now, so he can make real legislation and possibly pass it. That’s proof ‘enuf’ hasn’t been said. I also like that his first speech on the Senate floor ticked off McConnell. That’s something.
I think he sets a cutting standard and anyone who’s serious has to explain why his ideas are TOO extreme and work back from it.
How can we support all the corporate welfare and a huge growth in ‘defense’ to just say R. Paul is crazy? I don’t think defending all that spending can be justified and anyone who does could be called crazy.
I’d want to see more details before opposing it, but that’s a serious number (seriously big), so somebody’s gonna have to prove he’s wrong. Pick it apart and after you’ve protect all the stuff Dems want look at the remaining number and ask how we ever get to a balanced budget (even if we get back into power and pass some tax increases)?
I also agree with you. We need discussions outside the box by people who don’t keep their crayons within the lines. We must open up the discussion that the MSM on behalf of Versailles doesn’t want to happen.
Yes, most Libertarians are pretty self absorbed but then so are the corrupt corporate Dems and Republicans. Then there are a large portion of Americans who aren’t selfish enough. For some reason they want to help out the uber rich even if it hurts their own interests. Time for them to look out for themselves. Think for themselves.
I recall that John Edwards wanted to eliminate HUD, so their must be a pretty interesting reason for that. We should find out what they are instead of dismissing Ron Paul.
The Dept of Homeland Security was set up as another place to funnel money into the Military Industrial Academic Congressional Complex. The Defense Dept was having a little difficulty then in getting more money, so just make up a Department to funnel money to cronies.
We need to leave our comfort zone and challenge the cozy so-called liberal left who love the status quo of NPR and Prius driving.
Yes, it might get messy. But that’s really what democracy looks like.
There is also the answer of not borrowing money to improve our infrastructure but to create our own currency straight from the Treasury. Ellen Brown talks about this in “Webt of Debt” as does Stephen Zarlenga in his fabulous and exhaustive “Lost Science of Money.” It would be like the hugely successful colonial bank the Quakers came up with in Pennsylvania. The revenues of the colony went into this bank and then lent out to farmers, blacksmiths,road construction, schools, etc. The interest would go back into the bank to then be recirculate into the colony. It was so successful the banksters in England got a law passed in 1764 outlawing colonial banks and then the colonies sunk into depression which was a big reason for the revolution. During the Revolution, the founders used the “Continental” to fund the war. Thomas Paine called it the “cornerstone” of the Revolution. So Ron Paul’s attack on the Fed is a good start says Zarlenga, but Paul is wrong about substituting gold and making money commodity based. But hey, it’s a start to unmasking the powers behind the curtain pulling the strings.
Totally with you.
Oh geesh, all of your posts below are filled with personal attacks and hate.
You sound like the typical blue-dog, pro-Establishment shill who is unable to defend those corrupt policies on their merits.
Your ad hominem attacks don’t change the reality.
The National Debt is so high that the National Debt Clock ran out of digits to display it. The actual debt with unfunded mandates is $52 trillion (which is why the $14 Trillion dollar on book figure is only part of the story here – Mike Gravel talked about this stuff during 2007).
But notice how you have no valid answer whatsoever to the whole policy of throwing away Trillions of dollars (looted) for War violence and Corporatism ….
Talk about “lack of intellect”…you’re hopeless pal
Good points.
This is also what Abraham Lincoln did when he created debt-free “Greenbacks” directly from the Treasury, and what John Kennedy did with his debt-free 1963 series “United States Notes”.
A Sovereign Nation should be defined by its ability to regulate it’s own Money Supply (and currency) — rather than a private, for-profit, Bank Monopoly. This is why the Bankers are the “Masters” who run everything, and why our Government is the puppet.
Ron Paul’s proposal involves competing currencies, not just a simple straight Gold replacement. But I agree with the Jefferson-Lincoln-Kennedy approach, which is also what Ellen Brown also advocates.
Oh…..we’re talking about asteroids now? LOL
Hey Clinton reversed the Reaganomics Tax Policy (unlike Obama who extended Bush’s trickle-down Tax Policy), and Clinton’s Tax changes created the budget surpluses of the 1990s, and gave us the very best peace time Economy that this Nation has ever had in the last 70 years.
Obama wants to cut down Social Security, and continue to waste Trillions overseas, and the sad thing is that fools like you will cheer your own poverty as he does it.