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There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.
-Buddha
One can appreciate the disdain many on the left have for conspiracy theorists. It’s a fact that the most prominent conspiracy theorists are of the far-right persuasion — using their theories to bolster “small government” precepts and other Libertarian-style rubbish.
But it’s also a fact that these alleged “black op” conspiracies, going back to the JFK assassination, have overwhelmingly targeted individuals on the left and enabled the brutal neocon agenda. If the major conspiracy theories are true, there are clandestine forces in the government ready, willing and able to “eliminate” anyone — including a sitting president – deemed an obstacle to U.S. warmongering or other fascist policies.
By dismissing out-of-hand all conspiracy theories, the American left guarantees the success of such operations against its most earnest luminaries. How very convenient for the neocon strategists — who, in seizing the conspiracy theory turf, control the debate about their own black ops.
Thanks to the internet, truth will not be pulverized as easily as the Twin Towers. The outstanding anti-imperialism website Global Research fills the void left by wimpy establishment liberals. To mark the approaching eleventh anniversary of the satanic 9/11 inside job, Global Research is re-posting the best of their archived 9/11 articles — one each day until September 11. Following are links to the highlights thus far.
- The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account of 911 Cannot Be True by Dr. David Ray Griffin
- The 9/11 “Watershed Event”: Towering Infernos, False Flags and the “Global War on Terrorism” by Adrian Salbuchi
- 9/11 Attacks: Criminal Foreknowledge and Insider Trading lead directly to the CIA’s Highest Ranks by Michael C. Ruppert
- “Nothing Urgent” on 9/11: The Curious Lack of Military Action on the Morning of September 11, 2001 by George Szamuely
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One hopes, Gamma Globalist, that people will, at least, read the links which you have provided, before labeling you a “conspiracy theorist”.
With that hope, however forlorn, in mind, I recommend this diary to the consideration of everyone at FDL who considers themselves to be both “fair” and “open” minded.
With appreciation for your courage in being willing to raise this issue, I thank you, GG.
DW
Thanks is not enough, Gamma.
Geez, I’ve doubted the results of the Warren Commission since I first read it at 14 in September 1964. I’ve never been mistaken for a right-winger, in fact I’m of the mind that it was E. Howard Hunt’s Cubans, Birchers, Bush’s buddies in the CIA like Ted Shackley, David Morales, and David Phillips along with complicit Dallas cops and some Secret Service detail members who got together and worked together to kill JFK and perpetrate a coup.
Nothing I’ve seen or read since then will ever change my mind about that.
Saudis flying jets following a plan cooked up by Bin Laden? Never gonna make me believe that Poppy Bush, his devil spawn Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gen. Meyers, and Giuliani didn’t play an active part in everything that happened on 9/11.
The confidence fairy requires you not think about conspiracies.
The confidence fairy is an illusion.
Obviously Dr. David Ray Griffin has never worked steel and iron in a forge.
Iron & Steel do not need to become molten to lose their integrity (become weak).
Iron & Steel It soften immediately at red heat.
One can hold one end of an Iron rod and heat the other to red heat.
Even an oxygen starved fire generates enough heat to heat steel to red heat.
The Aviation fuel was not consumed in 10 seconds after the impact. There is a name for that manner of combustion, it’s called an explosion.
If there was Controlled Demolition on the WTC, the process would take months (six to eight) of “construction” and the tenants of the building would have notices the charges and miles of wire in the buildings.
I don;t doubt there is a program on the right, and there may be plans to do things, one cannot eliminate opportunism.
I’d be delighted to take on this speculation point by point, if you will publish the comments. Then we can have the argument.
I don’t buy the 9-11 lie and neither should any courageous patriotic Americans.
Especially given, how reasonable is it that the “authorities” could come out late in the day on Nine Eleven and state:
“We knew noting about this happening as of yesterday, but tonight, we know the names of all 19 people involved. And partly because we even found the intact passport of one of those hijackers. Just sitting pretty on top of a pile of burning rubble. But totally intact and quite legible.”
Thanks:
The brother of one of my classmates was involved in the investigation of that fire. According to him, it would have been better had the beams been wooden. Wood take time to burn through. steel expands rapidly when it gets hot and shatters the concrete encasing it.
I suspect such considerations have some relevance to the results of the 9/11 attacks, but the notion of a steel building collapsing within 60 minutes of an intense fire does not seem implausible.
Also, hot steel expands and shatters the concrete encasing it. I got that from the brother of a class mate who was involved in the investigation of the McCormic
Oops. That last sentence fragment was supposed to have been deleted. My bad.
Were there no “problems”, wigwam, why was the debris removed BEFORE proper testing could be done and sufficient appraisal of what had occurred been established? THAT question remains the single most troubling aspect of the events surrounding 9-11.
That question posed, let us examine the difference between the McCormick Place Exhibition Hall and the three buildings at the World Trade Center.
If one looks at the photo in the following link, it may readily be seen that the McCormick Place Exhibition Hall was a very different shape and that the collapse was of the roof only …
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/mccormick.html
There is also the question of why Building 7 fell, as it was not struck by an airplane and was some distance from the twin towers, and so far as I have read, there is no offered explanation for the fires that are said to have started in that building.
I note that Synoia has volunteered, @5, to refute Dr. Griffin’s concerns, point by point.
That would be truly useful and would be much appreciated. I hope that Synoia may have the time to do so.
DW
Regardless of what happened at “ground zero” on 9-11, it was and remains one of the singularly most transforming “moments” in this nation’s history.
It gave rise to the National Security State.
It permitted a war based upon lies.
It ushered in torture as official policy.
It brought the Patriot Act and the wholesale destruction of many civil rights.
It gave rise to a “bipartisan” complicity in ALL of the above listed “consequences” … and its chilling and pervasive “effects” are still resting heavily upon the peoples of this nation and human beings around the world in the still ongoing “Endless War on Terror” …
Indeed, the aftereffects of 9-11 have come to define this nation and its relationship to the world.
Without our “reaction” to the events of that day, Bradley Manning would not, likely, be facing life imprisonment and Julian Assange would not, likely, be stuck in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London … and the Brits would not be contemplating an act of diplomatic warfare …
It may well be that 9-11 was simply the excuse that this nation’s political class was waiting for, the opportunity to solidify authoritarian rule, not allowing any crisis to go to waste, exactly as we are smugly told …
And certainly, Bush v. Gore suggests that the powerful were, even months before 9-11, restive and concerned with the “direction” in which “things” were “tending” …
Yet, I am continually struck with how “convenient” 9-11 made things for a political class willing to take justice and the Rule of Law “off the table” of things that matter and which are foundational to a sustainable and just civil society.
DW
America cries out for a cultural revolution! Down with the parasites and their compradors!
To put demolition charges in place in these buildings would be a huge project necessarily involving probably dozens if not hundreds of people and causing obvious disruptions within these buildings that were in use 24 hours a day. The maintenance of these buildings was also done by union contractors who would famously not allow or authorize so much as minor work within them without their knowledge. Nothing dealing with the physical plant could happen without the union crew knowing and approving.
The idea that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people were either directly involved or looked the other way while a project of this size and scope went undetected and further that none of those people ever have come forward in the ensuing 11 years is on its face an absurd assertion.
I have yet to read anything that even slightly counters that reality. If there had been a demolition plan put in place and executed, Occam’s razor demands there would have been leaks and disclosures by now. A project of that size and scope within a heavily used public building simply could not be kept secret for this length of time, if for any length of time at all.
I wouldn’t rule out governmental complicity at some level out of hand, but the demolition theories are obvious bunk. It couldn’t have happened that way.
9/11 was the death blow to the idea of an America based on law and a government constrained by the Bill of Rights. It also put in motion the destruction of the economy and what remained of the myth of American military invincibility.
The destruction of the WTC was, with due respect to those who lost loved ones, a relatively trivial event in the affairs of an empire. 99% of the damage was the self-inflicted damage done by America to itself in the aftermath. Any rationally run nation would quickly have brushed the whole thing off and carried on essentially as if it had never happened. Imagine someone having been in London during the air raids of WWII seeing an empire brought to its knees by the destruction of a single private building. What monumental weakness it revealed! The paper tiger laid bare.
Exceptionally well said, Kurt.
And, it is my hope that such a perspective as you iterate may, somehow, be brought to the consciousness AND conscience of the people of the United States of America for they have truly lost their way and are being happily led astray for nothing more noble and enduring than unfettered greed and unrestrained power … both of which are the death-knell of of worthwhile civilization and reflect the maturing of cruel and possibly species-destroying barbarism and tyranny.
DW
Building 7.
The physics are irrefutable, outside intervention. bldg 7 just didn’t change gravity on its own.
Actually in th e months leading up to the Nine eleven Event, people in the building did notice the comings and goings of people in worker uniforms, who would say that they were putting in optic fiber cables. I do agree with your points about the steel being able to become weakened.
However, if you view the footage of that day, notice the tremendous dust storms that were kicked up with the collapse of the buildings. What on earth would cause the buildings to basically vaporize into dust? Also consider: The total mass of debris at the footprints of the Two Towers does not equal all the mass of all the building material -everything from the steel girders you mention, to the material that made the walls, floors ceiling and the windows, to the various pieces of office equipment, restaurant equipment, washroom fixtures, people’s clothes, shoes, etc.
And firemen have stated for the record that in the cleanup, it was rare to find any pieces of anything bigger than a phone handset. In a true “pancake collapse” you would find a lot of large objects. I have worked demolition jobs that were dependent on physical force and no explosives. In that case, you have broomsticks, and backs of TV’s, carpeting, (football fields of it), large sections of tiling, and heavy duty desk tops. Why was this all vaporized?) Why is it that the total mass of debris is nowhere near what you would find if the steel had merely weakened and then bent downwards, with the floors from the top adding their weight to the lower floors. if a person accepts the “pancake theory” then why doesn’t the volume and mass of the debris fields equal the volume and mass of the buildings? (Minus of course whatever was consumed by fire before the collapse)
For an explanation of the missing matter, all we have to do is watch once again the films taken on that day, showing entire city blocks of panicked people being chased by an avalanche of particularized dust. The only explanation that holds weight is that the building both had explosives tucked into various places on many of the floors of the building.
Also any films showing that the buildings were collapsing also show that many of the floors were not on fire. There steel had not weakened at all.
And please watch the video posted above, with these engineers staking their jobs and perhaps their lives on trying to get the truth out there.
Aside from the fact that the same objections enumerated above would apply equally to 7 as the towers, what would be the upside of taking the enormous risk of demolishing an annex building using prepositioned explosives simultaneous to the WTC towers being brought down by being flown into? It makes no sense unless you believe the whole thing was a pre-planned demolition prefaced on the dodgy preposition that Arab hijackers could score two direct hits on the towers.
*So* doesn’t pass the sniff test. No amount of forensic evidence answers the obvious absurdity of doing it that way at all.
You don’t think the large crew of union building electricians and associated tradesmen weren’t completely aware of every detail of work being done inside “their” buildings? And assuming they were all in on it to a one 9as if even that is a plausibility), none have ever become contrite enough to leak, even anonymously? Come on. Putting such an absurdity forward insults the intelligence and integrity of not just the building crew but anyone the argument is addressed to.
Clearly not an empirical mindset in operation here.
You forgot to incorporate “comprador”.
Try harder.
To what end?
Kurt, I do wonder why the sprinkler system of Building 7 required a manual turn-on, as I was under the impression that most such systems are automatic and turn-on when temperatures open the individual sprinkler valves.
Apparently it would have made little difference, as it is said that water pressure was very, very low … possibly, there was no pressure at all.
As well, the debris from the North Tower which is said to have ignited the fires presumably struck Building 7 AFTER it had been evacuated?
It is also interesting to note that it is said that weeks or months would be necessary to rig a building for controlled demolition, just as it presumably must have taken many weeks and even months to plan the hijacking by and training of those who were to pilot the airliners.
Still, I consider that there was an unseemly rush to clear away the “emotional” evidence, the “reminder” of “that day” … which is also a part of the “mythology” of “response” which both of us have discussed above.
If ALL those who question the official report were simply those without any expertise, then it were very much more simple to dismiss the “theory”. However, it seems that there are several among those who question, what happened and how, who appear to have the knowledge to realistically dispute the official findings.
Had the political class not seized the moment of this event, which is, in perspective, somewhat “trivial”, just as you suggest, then it would be much easier, also, to simply say, “Well, airplanes killed the World Trade Center … just like they “did in” King Kong.”
Like the Assassination of Kennedy, events which followed the official “story” of 9-11, led to a war begun on trumped up “charges” … the war against Irak was as bogus and deceitful as the charges leveled during the so-called “Gulf of Tonkin Incident”.
And it is worth noting, that though the truth of those deceits IS now fully known, that many, too many citizens of this country still “believe” and “trust”the original lies.
Those lies DID require vast conspiracies and took years to become public knowledge, and in neither case, have the promulgators of those lies been brought to anything close to, or resembling, honest justice.
DW