This article originally appeared in the June 11, 2012 issue of The Nation magazine, and was coauthored with Thomas Hanna.
It’s time to put the taboo subject of public ownership back on the progressive agenda. It is the only way to solve some of the most serious problems facing the nation. We contend that it is possible not only to talk about this once forbidden subject but to begin to build a serious politics that can do what needs to be done in key sectors.
Proposals for public ownership will of course be attacked as “socialism,” but conservatives call any progressive program—to say nothing of the modest economic policies of the Obama administration—“socialist.” However, many Americans are increasingly skeptical about the claims made for the corporate-dominated “free” enterprise system by its propagandists. A recent Pew Research Center poll found that a majority of Americans have an unfavorable view of corporations—a significant shift from only twelve years ago, when nearly three-quarters held a favorable view. At the same time, two recent Rasmussen surveys found Americans under 30—the people who will build the next politics—almost equally divided as to whether capitalism or socialism is preferable. Another Pew survey found that 18- to 29-year-olds have a favorable reaction to the term “socialism” by a margin of 49 to 43 percent.
Public ownership in certain sectors of the economy is the only way to solve some of America’s most pressing problems. Take the financial arena, where the current recession was hatched. Today, five giant banks control more than one-third of all deposits. Wall Street claims this makes it more efficient; but even if the Big Five banks were efficient (which is open to question—how “efficient” are institutions that didn’t know they were carrying a huge backlog of underwater loans?), they were all deeply involved in creating the meltdown that cost taxpayers billions in bailouts, and the overall economy trillions. Numerous economists, left and right, believe that these unbridled operations will inevitably lead to another crisis. JPMorgan Chase’s recent speculative loss of at least $2 billion should be fair warning.
The traditional liberal approach calls for more regulation. But, important as it is, this tool for controlling corporate behavior has been increasingly undermined by fierce lobbying. As Senator Dick Durbin observed, “The banks…are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they, frankly, own the place.” Most of those who created the mortgage crisis went scot-free, and the financial reforms that have since been enacted are flimsy in many areas and easily evaded. Nearly two years after the Dodd-Frank legislation was approved, only 108 of 398 necessary regulations have been written, 148 deadlines have been missed (67 percent) and nearly two dozen Congressional bills scrapping parts of the law proposed. The draft measures implementing the Volcker Rule (which limits proprietary trading by banks) are so full of holes as to be almost meaningless.
The underlying problem is that the economic and political power of corporations in general, and banks in particular, has grown dramatically. On the eve of the Great Depression in 1929, 250 banks controlled roughly half the nation’s banking resources. Now, a mere six banks control almost 74 percent of the nation’s banking resources. The steadily increasing concentration of power occurred, not surprisingly, as progressives’ power declined. Organized labor, the institution that has given progressive politics its muscle, has shrunk from a 1954 peak of 34.7 percent of the workforce to a mere 11.8 percent—only 6.9 percent in the private sector. As unions have grown weaker, conservative politicians at the state level, backed by right-wing-funded lobbying groups like the American Legislative Exchange Council, have launched drives to pass a raft of “right to work” and other anti-labor laws, further undermining the liberal-left’s key institutional power base.
That corporations can undo the regulations affecting them has been demonstrated time and again. Starting with trucking, airlines and railroads, since the 1970s deregulation has gone forward in sector after sector under Democratic and Republican administrations alike. The trend has continued in the energy, communications and, to a lesser degree, food and drug industries. The big coal and oil companies have resisted comprehensive curbs on greenhouse gas emissions, including spending millions in 2009–10 to defeat cap-and-trade legislation in the Senate after it passed the House. This is in addition, of course, to concerted efforts, year in and year out, to discredit climate change science.
The other traditional progressive response to concentrated corporate power has been stronger enforcement of antitrust laws. In the wake of the mortgage crisis, demands to “break them up” were made as a way of bringing under control banks deemed “too big to fail.” These demands were ignored, but even if they were to succeed, within a few years the most aggressive of the broken-up banks would likely find ways to regroup, just as AT&T did recently (and as Standard Oil did after it was broken up in the early part of the twentieth century). After banks were deregulated in the 1980s and ’90s, the majors gobbled up the small fry, eliminating 7,000 banks and increasing average bank size 400 percent. The institutional power imbalances guarantee that the banks will likely overcome any temporary effort that does not strike deep when the next crisis opportunity arises.
The near collapse of several big banks and mortgage lenders in 2008–09 offered such an opportunity, but it was squandered. The government provided so much bailout money to institutions like Citigroup and AIG that it could easily have taken them over, turning them into managed public utilities. Instead, it meekly handed voting to trustees who, in the case of AIG, were corporate insiders recruited by the New York Federal Reserve. At the outset of the crisis Willem Buiter—shortly before becoming the chief economist of Citigroup—came much closer to the right approach than many progressive critics when he asked: “Is the reality…that large private firms make enormous private profits when the going is good and get bailed out and taken into temporary public ownership when the going gets bad, with the taxpayer taking the risk and the losses? If so, then why not keep these activities in permanent public ownership?”
There is a second reason that a strategy going beyond regulation and antitrust is essential. Large corporations are subject to Wall Street’s first commandment: grow or die. “Stockholders in the speculation economy want their profits now,” observes Lawrence Mitchell, author of The Speculation Economy, “and they do not much care how they get them.” If a corporate executive does not show steadily increasing quarterly earnings, the grim quarterly-returns reaper will cut her down sooner or later.
The destructive “grow or die” imperative of our market-driven system cannot be wished or regulated away. In addition to the overriding issue of global warming, countless studies have documented that limits to growth in such areas as energy, minerals, water and arable land (among others) are fast being reached. The energy corporations are desperately trying to crash through these limits with technological fixes such as fracking, tar sands exploitation and deep-water drilling, which are equally or more environmentally costly than traditional methods.
Yet the trends continue: the United States, with less than 5 percent of the global population, accounts for 21.6 percent of the world’s consumption of oil, 13 percent of coal and 21 percent of natural gas. In the brief period between 1940 and 1976 Americans used up a larger share of the earth’s mineral resources than did everyone in all previous history. At some point a society like ours, which produces the equivalent of more than $190,000 for every family of four, must ask when enough is enough. Former presidential adviser James Gustave Speth puts it bluntly: “For the most part we have worked within this current system of political economy, but working within the system will not succeed in the end when what is needed is transformative change in the system itself.”
As a matter of cold logic, then, if some of the most important corporations have a disruptive and costly impact on the economy and the environment—and if regulation and antitrust laws in many areas are likely to be subverted by these corporations—a public takeover is the only logical solution. This argument was put forward most forcefully not by liberals or socialists but by the founders of the conservative Chicago School of Economics. Nobel laureate George Stigler repeatedly observed that regulatory strategies were “designed and operated primarily for [the industries’] benefit.” Henry Simons, Milton Friedman’s teacher and one of the most important Chicago School thinkers, was even more forceful: the state “should face the necessity of actually taking over, owning, and managing directly…industries in which it is impossible to maintain effectively competitive conditions.”
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The first step toward public ownership is recognizing that it is not the radical departure most imagine it to be. Two of the most cost-effective health providers in the United States—one a far-reaching insurance system, Medicare; the other a direct hands-on healthcare delivery system, the Veterans Administration—are run by the government. So, too, the largest pension manager in the country is a public entity: the Social Security Administration.
The US Postal Service, which employs 645,000 men and women, is another public enterprise that is generally regarded as well run by most experts—despite the recession, a reduction in the volume of mail because of electronic communications and a highly unusual 2006 Congressional requirement that the USPS pre-fund its pension benefits for the next seventy-five years. Recent cost-saving proposals for closing many small-town post offices and reducing services have triggered a popular backlash against the possible loss of an institution the public still values.
Another public enterprise, the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), is one of the largest energy companies in the nation. In fact, more than 25 percent of electricity in the United States is supplied by local public utilities and cooperatives. And, of course, though corporate influence has distorted a potentially powerful opportunity, the government owns timber, mineral, oil and other resources on public land covering almost 30 percent of the nation’s territory.
Public enterprises do not spend large amounts on advertising or brokers’ fees to sell their products. They do not add a profit margin to every service they provide or article they sell. Nor do they pay exorbitant executive salaries. The Medicare administrator made a base salary of approximately $170,000 in 2010. Stephen Hemsley, CEO of UnitedHealth Group, made a base salary of $1.3 million and received $101.96 million in compensation that same year. Because of added expenses like these (along with many other irrationalities), our private healthcare system costs the nation up to twice the share of GDP spent on equal or better care in many other countries—a large-scale “inefficiency” that wastes perhaps a trillion dollars a year! When conservative defenders of private corporations focus on internal efficiency alone, they ignore (or deliberately obscure) not only the demonstrated truth that corporate financial institutions have the power to force the nation to lose trillions of dollars in economic output, but also that our extraordinarily wasteful healthcare system costs twice as much as that of other nations.
Recent research also challenges the familiar knee-jerk claims that private corporations are always internally more efficient than government-owned enterprises. Before Margaret Thatcher’s famous gutting of the British public sector, for example, productivity growth in the country’s nationalized mining, utility, transportation and communication companies consistently outpaced that of similar privately owned companies in the United States. To be sure, there are many bureaucratic public corporations, and sclerotic enterprises in the Soviet era were a breed apart. In the modern era, however, as Francisco Flores-Macias and Aldo Musacchio document in a recent Harvard International Review article, state-owned enterprises in many areas are, or can be, as efficient as their private counterparts.
Private companies also all too frequently run off to China or Mexico looking for cheap labor, leaving behind unemployed workers and wasted cities. Public enterprises stay here, maintaining jobs and sustaining rather than abandoning our communities. Public enterprises do not force cities and states to pay millions in “incentives” to encourage them to locate in a particular area—often only to move on later, leaving discarded people and deteriorating schools, houses, roads and public services.
Also, public enterprises do not spend huge amounts of money undermining the political process through extensive pro-corporate campaign advertising and lobbying. And public corporations are open to public scrutiny, while private corporations keep most of their internal decision-making secret.
Let’s be clear: we are not calling for public ownership of the vast majority of small, medium-size or even large businesses—and, in particular, not the smaller high-tech industries, where most of the real innovation occurs. Nor are we talking about “democratized businesses” like employee-owned companies, where more than 10 million Americans work. Or the roughly 5,000 neighborhood corporations and another 2,000 local municipal electric companies. Or co-ops that count 130 million members (including credit unions, which have become a popular alternative to too-big-to-fail banks).
Neither are we talking about modern community land trusts, started thirty years ago by Bob Swann, co-founder and first president of the E.F. Schumacher Society, which are also popping up in different forms—hundreds of them throughout the nation. Nonprofit social enterprises whose sole purpose is to contribute to society are similarly emerging around the country. Municipal ownership of hotels, land development and even energy is on the rise. In more than 700 projects nationwide (many involving direct local public ownership), cities capture the methane produced by garbage and turn it into electricity, jobs and revenue. All these community-based enterprises are part of a growing sector that could and should be expanded.
Most advanced societies have found large-scale publicly controlled companies appropriate in key areas. Take energy: worldwide, publicly controlled corporations produce roughly 75 percent of all oil. Or transportation: high-speed rail systems are run by the government in France, Spain, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey and South Korea. Public ownership of significant or controlling shares of airlines is common: France holds 16 percent of Air France-KLM; Sweden, Denmark and Norway hold a 50 percent stake in SAS; Israel, 35 percent of El Al; Singapore, 56 percent of Singapore Airlines (ranked as one of the world’s best). The European Aeronautics Defence and Space Company—producer of Airbus and other major planes and helicopters—is partly owned by the French and Spanish governments (as well as the city of Hamburg, Germany). Or banking: more than 200 public and semi-public banks, with another eighty-one funding agencies, account for a fifth of all bank assets in the European Union. Japan Post Bank is the world’s biggest public bank and one of that nation’s largest employers.
Brazil, an economic powerhouse, has more than 100 state-owned or -controlled enterprises, including major banks, utilities and a large oil company, Petrobras, renowned throughout the world for its deep-water exploration achievements. Much better and faster Internet service than ours is provided in many countries where public corporations exist side by side with private companies. (Public telecommunications companies are common around the world, including in Austria, Japan, Sweden, France, Germany, Switzerland and Belgium.) Although, after due consideration, other sectors would likely have to be added if the underlying corporate growth dynamic and the challenge of global warming are to be dealt with, such enterprises function successfully and profitably, again belying the usual claim that privately owned companies are efficient while public ones create boondoggles and waste.
Obviously, some forms of public or publicly related enterprise are not models of efficiency. The failures of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have suggested to many critics that these quasi-public businesses need a major overhaul. On the other hand, the highly unusual structure of Freddie and Fannie (which gave implicit government backing to privately owned risk-taking businesses) was a major source of their recent problems. (Indeed, they were not, in fact, public enterprises in any true sense of the term.) So, too, Amtrak has had a variety of problems, some of which derive from inadequate investment. But, again, it is important to remember that private corporations are hardly paragons of efficiency. American steel companies were riddled with inefficiencies until they were compelled to change. American auto companies were forced, kicking and screaming, to catch up with global practices and modern technologies.
Furthermore, new ways to curb efficiency problems in government enterprises have emerged. In Europe, where public telecommunications corporations often compete with private companies, a “public option” can help keep everybody on their toes. Independent public oversight of public enterprise is another strategy. Since 1970 the independent Postal Regulatory Commission has overseen the USPS to keep tabs on efficiency and transparency and to maintain its historical role of providing affordable service to all Americans. Yet another answer to the ownership “design” question can be found in those mixed private-public structures of many leading international airlines.
And, again, even when private corporations are managed more efficiently than public ones, the massive economic costs they can impose on society make internal efficiency look trivial compared with the waste caused by economic recession, healthcare irrationalities, and the truly extraordinary costs associated with unrestricted growth that damages the environment and causes climate change.
As the late liberal economist John Kenneth Galbraith once observed, “The issue is purely a pragmatic one: Is it working now, or would it work better under public ownership?” Further perspective was offered by the late E.F. Schumacher, author of Small Is Beautiful, still one of the most influential books for environmental activists and others. Radical decentralization, human scale, participatory control, and a mix of cooperative and private firms are essential wherever feasible, Schumacher held (as do we)—but “when we come to large-scale enterprises, the idea of private ownership becomes an absurdity.”
Publicly owned enterprises also don’t have to be national. One important strategy involves focusing on public enterprise at the regional level. Under the New Deal, the TVA gave rise to a proposal for seven major regional public enterprises, and in the 1960s a number of regional commissions were established. A revival of regional approaches to public enterprise might build on modern Chinese experience, where regional competition has helped maintain discipline for publicly owned firms (as well as economic management in general).
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Contrary to the conventional wisdom, there are many paths to expanding public enterprise in America. Take banking, where coming crises will once again almost certainly force us to ask basic questions about the industry and remind us that had the government demanded voting stock in exchange for the taxpayer bailout of Citigroup, Bank of America, AIG and other institutions, these firms would have become de facto publicly controlled. Moreover, there is an effort under way to create state-owned banks like the one in North Dakota. Since 2010, legislation exploring or creating such banks has been introduced in seventeen states: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Virginia and Washington.
Relentless conservative attacks on the Affordable Care Act in Congress and in the Supreme Court have also stimulated interest in publicly provided healthcare at the state level. More than fifteen states are considering legislation pointing to some form of single-payer “public enterprise” system. In May 2011 Vermont approved legislation that will allow its residents to move into a publicly funded insurance pool. Universal coverage would begin in 2017 (possibly as early as 2014) if a federal waiver is granted. This past February in California, a universal “Medicare for All” bill failed in the Senate by just two votes. (Similar legislation approved by both houses of the state legislature was vetoed by then-Governor Schwarzenegger in 2006 and 2008.) Since 2009, Connecticut has been striving toward a system of affordable healthcare for virtually all of its residents—which will likely one day include a nonprofit public health insurance program.
Another road to public enterprise would build on the auto company takeovers in 2008–09. Not only did the government nationalize General Motors and Chrysler; it did so using a joint ownership structure that involved a UAW-linked health-related entity, VEBA, owning 17.5 percent of GM and 63.5 percent of Chrysler. In the future the public should continue to benefit directly from its investment instead of seeing the taxpayers’ stake sold off when serious post-bailout profits begin to flow, as with the auto bailouts.
There is an obvious and growing need for mass transit and high-speed rail in America, yet with the exception of the small United Streetcar Company in Oregon (and some assembly work for foreign companies), the United States has no production capacity for either. A government plan to invest in mass transit and high-speed rail would create jobs, build new capacity in public worker-owned companies and free the United States from foreign dependence—all the money, after all, will come from taxpayers and commuters. The jobs might be targeted to help rebuild Detroit and other declining auto-producing cities.
Elsewhere we have urged a “new economy,” a community-sustaining vision of the next stage of American development—one made up of public enterprises where necessary, private corporations in numerous sectors, and a powerful and growing mix of small businesses and firms that in general aim to democratize the ownership of capital in a nation where a mere 1 percent at the top owns just under half of all investment wealth (see Alperovitz, “The New Economy Movement,” June 13, 2011; Alperovitz et al., “The Cleveland Model,” March 1, 2010; and community-wealth.org).
Rebuilding the spirit and drive of the next progressive politics calls for developing economic ideas that make sense at every level and scale. The Tea Party, for all its inane posturing, teaches a useful lesson—namely, that saying clearly what you want has a compelling force. When progressives are being called “socialists” no matter what, there is little to lose and much to gain by clearly making the case for a long-term plan that confronts—and ultimately overcomes—the centrality of corporate power.




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A huge, huge problem with this (initiating a non-capitalist economy) is that we have no experience with it and cannot imagine how to make it work. How do we reward excellence? How do we distribute resources, or profits, or services? What are taxes? What are the governmental units? We have no mechanism and frankly, I have no *positive* experience of how this might work. We all can think of non-capitalist enterprises that get horribly warped.
Some cases in point: volunteer groups — there always seems to be someone who wants to be in charge and to hell with what the original purpose was. In a volunteer group you can just leave. In an economy, not so easy. We seem to be programmed to have leaders — or perhaps, some people are programmed to *be* leaders, whether or not they are needed. I have seen the same in sororities and even church choirs. A choir director I know was telling me recently how happy he was to finally have a paid choir. “I can just do music, I don’t have to be a diplomat any more.”
A recent article of yours recommends co-ops. I belong to three of co-ops; a credit union, a food co-op, and a sporting goods seller. I get notices of meetings but cannot consider myself actually an owner/manager. The credit union is really lame and jerky,by the way. I get asked to vote for directors every year, but I don’t know anything more about them than the average shareholder knows abt the annual board elections. And I really have no way of assessing the candidates qualifications or performance — I have no clue how to run a sporting goods store, or a credit union! I doubt that I would realize that anything was ‘wrong’ until the enterprise actually bit the dust.
In doing research, I have read of collectives that produced poorly while the same workers’ little garden plots had bumper yields. I have heard of kibbutzim that had rotating management, but stopped the practice b/c they found that some people were good managers and pleasant to work for, while others were, um, not so much. Oh, and I have a hot water boiler made by Baxi, which is worker-owned but professionally managed (whatever that means) and they have decided to no longer support my 6 yr old boiler, which is working just fine *except* for the circuit board. Which I cannot get replaced. So, not too impressed there and not sure whether to blame ownership or management. Surely someone directs mgmt? And not supporting a 6 yr-old unit is a piss-poor decision, in my book.
So, how do we practice for this new way of interacting? How would our legal system have to change to adapt? It is not enough to assume that everyone will just be good — they won’t. I was discussing this with a friend and she suggested an on-line simulation where we could practice this new sort of economy without having to actually, um, sacrifice thousands, which is what most economic experiments seem to end up doing. Like The Sims only with as close to reality-based as possible, and try to create a non-capitalist society. It could actually be/become ‘real’, like the real economy that sprang up from the game Everquest.
Seems like a good ‘sandbox’ to work out some of this stuff. What anyone think?
This has worked for AA and other twelve step groups for a very long time. Maybe we can use some of it as a model. The Twelve Traditions.
1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon AA unity.
2. For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority–a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3. The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4. Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5. Each group has but one primary purpose–to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6. An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7. Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8. Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but out service centers may employ special workers.
9. A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service board or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our Traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
In other words if every member of the group has the group purpose as their priority rather than some personal agenda, it works. Native American tribes had this for a very long time.
But Europeans not so much except in the smaller mostly rural communities.
I am not sure I understand either of the previous comments on this article, since the thrust of its arguments points to government run programs already in place as examples that can be compared to large scale private enterprise that clearly is not working out for us. So, this is not ‘something new’ that we have to refocus our consciousness to do. We are already doing it, and we like doing it.
A very important point made by Professor Alperovitz is that with the powerful influence corporations now have upon government programs (they even write our laws for crying out loud) the old liberal corrections of regulation and antitrust measures no longer have any teeth – we’ve seen that spelled out by David Dayen’s exemplary focus on what happens after government marshalls its ‘forces’ to correct the excess – it simply is not, for many reasons, working.
If we want to make a difference in a peaceful way, we have to do our best to support the expansion of the programs we really care about. It’s not going to be easy and there will be problems, as Professor Alperovitz points out with respect to the Fannie and Freddie cases. But what’s the alternative, folks?
This is one that makes sense to me.
Recommended!
The models already exist. They’re all around us, and many of us are already part of alternatives such as credit unions, electricity co-ops, food co-ops and so forth.
The point is to get past corporate dominance using what’s available now and building on it. Building new from the ground up, too.
There is no wheel to be reinvented; it’s already there and turning.
I agree with ChePasa; “The models already exist. They’re all around us …”
I also agree with everything Juliana wrote.
Professor Alperovitz mentions “banks like the one in North Dakota,” ESOPs, and the “general aim to democratize the ownership of capital …”
I agree with these thoughts and have advocated them in my scattered writings, such as at Independence/Interdependence (highlighting the Bank of ND), and Crazy Thoughts, Thoughts on Jobs, etc, and Let’s just Write about It, (all three about creating ESOPs and democratizing the ownership of capital).
“There is no wheel to be reinvented; it’s already there and turning.” Yes, we the people must make choices, we the people must create our own futures. An individual can work for Wal-Mart and create wealth for the Walton family, or an individual can work for Publix, an ESOP, and create wealth for the employee owners.
Right now we mostly don’t even think of this as a choice, a job is a job. But if you understand that in a business employees create wealth for the owners, it becomes an obvious choice that you would rather work for Publix, or another ESOP, rather than just about any other exploitive American corporation.
So while the professor might be a little long-winded, and barely mentions the parts I am most concerned with, I whole-heartedly agree, and recommend.
I am looking forward to Professor Alperovitz’s Book Salon coming right up.
The power of concentrated GREED stands firmly in the way of any Progressive change.
About time someone took up this issue. Yes, by all means break up the banks and make the core bank be run by the Feds. Let the part in trading assets and such remain private but no longer part of the federal reserve system. Set up a federal infrastructure company that can also be used to oversee a guaranteed job for everyone who wants one. The job guarantee can be run locally at minimum wage. Capitalism is subject to coruption and cronyism. And it regularly develops bubbles that cause severs hardship. It needs to be tightly controlled. Nothing wrong with profits but the corporation should not control our lives.
Government has to stand for the public purpose not as mouthpiece for Jamie Dimon and his buds.
Superb, diary.
Highly recommended to the entire FDL community.
Thank you, Gar Aperovitz..
Along with juliania, I look forward to Gar Aperovitz’s Book Salon and my guess is that it will be very well attended.
DW
You are about to drive folks like Petersen and the Kochs nuts. Imagine if you have a publicly owned oil company. The Rs lose their Exxon funding source!
As to your boiler, a good boiler mechanic should be able to retrofit a new controller, which is what I think you mean by “cicuit board”. Please don’t try to do this yourself.
Here we go again… another article… shilling for the corrupt Democrats and Obama…
“but conservatives call any progressive program—to say nothing of the modest economic policies of the Obama administration—“socialist.” However, many Americans are increasingly skeptical about the claims made for the corporate-dominated “free” enterprise system by its propagandists”.
Excuse me… Obama’s policies are not “modest”… they are corrupt.
And the part about the American people… yes thats true…but the author left out half of it… the American people are wise to the “corporate-dominated” corruption and propaganda of BOTH parties… as in BOTH the Democrats and Republicans.
This is just more shilling… lipstick on the Democratic party pig.
All the Democrats and Republicans are corrupt to the core… THATS the problem
You’re really only capable of making the same comment over and over, and not actually reading the post, right?
Because you should, you know, read and comprehend the actual content of the post before making a comment like that.
If the resources which support human life, be they clean water, clean air, healthy soil, and so on, even to essential energy sources … are necessary to each and every one of us, which they are, then how may these essential things not be considered the essence of the common wealth, which they, indeed, are, and belong to no individual or any generation, to no fictitious being and to no “government” … in fact these things belong to all human beings, even those not yet born, how may reasonable human beings, how may honest and responsible human beings not fully understand the reality of the fact that ALL actual wealth must come, initially, from the conversion and use of these resources?
Indeed, can we all not see that we have, willy-nilly, used many resources EXTENSIVELY and unthinkingly, selfishly and unconcernedly, that we must begin to use all resources INTENSIVELY, with thoughtful, honest concern and make available to all human beings those resources necessary to life and becoming … for, to do so nurtures the most important “resource” of all … the free and healthy human mind and its capacity to understand and to build, to create and to fashion, not just a better mousetrap, but a better, more sustainable and just human society?
Before we go too far down this path the question of human nature surely will be raised … and it is to be noted that those who favor plunder and pillage always claim that humans are mean, low, and grasping brutes, at heart … and soul.
It is, of course, to the benefit of those who claim this to be so, for it explains or excuses notions such as “greed is good”, although, clearly, it is not, and ultimately, excuses organized mayhem, which we call “war” over the control of “resources”, call it hegemony… as “necessary and just” … which is but one step away from, “Kill them all and let Gawd sort them out!”
Perhaps, it is time for a new paradigm?
We might not have very much longer to so decide, for both our species (and many others, for that matter) and the world which permits our very existence are in dire peril as a direct result of massive failures of “leadership” and “acquisitive” corporate capitalism.
DW
Book Salon up with Paul Kiel’s The Great American Foreclosure Story: The Struggle for Justice and a Place to Call Home hosted by Cynthia Kouril
Actually, independentvoternews, your are, in my opinion, very much mistaken … and like Kelly, I urge you to read this post and others by Aperovitz … he is no partisan hack, nor given to any simplistic and unexamined conventional wisdom.
If you know anything about E. F, Schumacher, whom Aperovitz makes mention of above, for example, then you will know that to be so.
DW
Nope… I read the entire thing.
The “modest economic policies of the Obama administration” part was a dead giveaway… and the claim that Obama’s policies are progressive… is about as much bull s as you can get.
Obama’s policies are NOT progressive… they’re corrupt !
My response to you would be the same as my response to KC.
The author claims that Obama’s policies are “Progressive”… bunk… what world is this person living in?
And he claims them to be “modest”… again bunk… they are corrupt.
All this attempting to put lipstick of the pig of the Democratic party… as if they are somehow better than the anyone else… is what it is … shilling for one of the two corrupt parties.
Aperovitz does not claim that Obama’s policies are “progressive”.
His use of the term “modest” is a “giveaway” … meaning, “timid”, deliberately “unoffensive” to the corporate class … and yet, Aperovitz says, the “opposition” (in this political kabuki) would have everyone believe that Obama is a raging Commie and his policies “socialist”.
Anyhow, have it your way, if you insist, independentvoternews, but I hold that you have judged both too quickly and much too narrowly.
DW
Oh boy…
No… its you making the exact assumptions the author wants you to make.
Who is “calling” Obama a socialist…? Thats right… the corrupt Republicans are doing it… so that would make them the “opposition”. But the Democrats get a pass… even though they are doing THE EXACT SAME THING.
It’s all shilling for one of the two corrupt parties… in the hopes that some will fall for it and vote for one of the two corrupt candidates for president… and apparently some… after all we have seen… still fall for it.
Well, you have made your mind up, I shall not seek to disagree, as I have read Aperovitz for sometime and communicated with him through comments which he responded to and answered.
I happen to regard him as a thoughtful and very progressive voice and, as I said, if you have read Schumacher, then you will know that Aperovitz is NOT talking about more of the same and giving the Dems a pass, I certainly am not and do not.
Generally, independentvoternews, we are in much agreement.
On this issue and about this person, we shall simply have to differ.
Which should cause neither of us discomfort or chagrin … and I am certain that it does not.
DW
stop being a consumer. that will change things very quickly.
Do we get rid of the oligarchs ‘monopoly grip..their system of inverted totalitarianism and G20 rule via flower power .This is just pansy-ass blather that ,once again ,posits a milquetoast model with intrinsic pre-negotiated compromise to appease the ruling order who mocks us .Even the teabaggers know you advance what you believe to change the ruling order,not what you believe is acceptable .
It’s not unusual for someone to be smart about a subject… say economics… but the same person can be totally brain dead about another subject… say politics.
It should come as no suprise… both William Black and Paul Krugman… have both recently exposed themselves as brainwashed Democratic worshipers.
So independents like me… now see their comments and opinions as worthless… because the political party they worship… is more important to them than the American people and finding real solutions.
They are biased… in favor of one of the corrupt political parties.
As a progressive and registered Independent [not affiliated with any political party]… my loyalty is NOT to a bunch of corrupt fake politicians… but instead to the American people and to finding real solutions.
Much respect DWB… keep speaking out.
Very well, said, independentvoternews.
The respect is fully mutual, I assure you, and your voice and opinions are always worthy of my attention and consideration.
Even if we apparently differ, on some things, we agree on the larger realities and sensibilities.
DW
The progressive movement came out of an era when small businesses weren’t franchises of large corps. and farmers and professionals like doctors, lawyers, etc weren’t part of huge health or legal organizations, etc. Universities and their professors have almost the same goals: wealth accumulation and seniority rights which protect their turf. And on it goes. All of these groups have less sympathy and ties to the middle class. Same with the career military. They all suck off the same gov’t teat and are protected, or can buy protection, and care little for people making less than 75K or more annually. Households with 2 incomes earners in semi-professional positions know they have little or nothing in common with the above groups. They are reminded every time they go to the dentist, doctors’ or law offices whose services they need to survive in this dog-eat-dog system. The solution is to end corporate power in our elections; period. Individual contributions should be capped at $500 total. The rest of the problems will fade away when pols aren’t bought and sold every 2-6 yrs as they are currently. Until then it’s really a waste of time and energy to think about change. The only thing families and individuals making under 75K need to worry about is how to keep more of their pocket change in Mason jars. Maybe more cheap shelving from Home Depot is the answer to their problems?
No one is going to do a revolution. And I don’t think anyone is proposing capitalism will just go away. Whatever happens will take a very long time. Some things are not hard to do. And the people who will do it already work there. So if we break up the big banks, most of the same people will still be there. Their roles may change and the scope of the business will change. But to do anything one first needs the political support. That will be the hardest. Hell, we can’t even beat walker in Wisconsin yet. So we need leaders. I would hope some of them come out of the OWS movement.
I will borrow yours and DW’s respectful attitudes and respond to your categorization of this article as Obama friendly, independentvoternews, with the observation that the title ‘beyond corporate capitalism’ is not one I think Obama would favor. He thinks the big bankers and tycoons are great guys, wouldn’t dream of trimming their feathers.
But I will admit that the worm has indeed frequently turned and our heros have disappointed us in the past. We should not have heroes. What we should have is good ideas, and there are good ideas in this article. Just as Paul Krugman has good ideas (for which he won the Nobel) in spite of his subservience to the PTB and soft views on Obama’s legitimacy as a once and future president. We don’t give up the ideas because the person espousing them buckles, in my view. And I don’t believe Professor Alperovitz gives evidence of buckling in this article, since it is all about public ownership and how to expand the systems we already have, which are under threat now from both Republican and Democratic leadership.
It isn’t that leadership we need to build on – that is not what the ideas herein are saying. We need to defend initial constructs put in place by well intentioned PAST leaders, use the same public spirit to expand upon those ideas which have clearly borne fruit ( I am one enjoying that fruit at present, the Social Security program.)
If you are correct, and Professor Alperovitz attempts to lead us up the yellow brick road, I will be happy to cast his indorsement aside. But not his ideas.
That is mostly nonsense. Can you imagine that someone just happens to support progressive ideas and those ideas just happen to be predominantly put forth by the democratic party. That does not mean they sold out to anyone, just that they support those ideas. Hell, there are a bunch of democrats I have no great use for, like Pelosi at the moment.
Sorry, that should be ‘endorsement.’
Copy that.
Hey,inde,I agree that Krugman isn’t saying anything ,but I really like Black”s interdisciplinary approach for deconstructing political economy to reveal a system of organized thuggery .Could you please explain why he’s a brainwashed dem worshipper in your view ?
Weak… really weak…
Thats a prescription for maintaining the status quo…
For doing nothing… for giving up… and for letting the 1% and those who have corrupted out entire government… win… to continue to walk all over us.
Thinking like that… is what got us here in the first place.
Thats really weak.
What’s “weak” is your particular form of tribalism, demanding insularity from actual reality for one thing, and discarding true statements from active participants if they don’t happen to have your “independent” label.
You wouldn’t know an ally if one bit you on the ass. Consequently you have zero effectiveness, but enough righteousness for the entire planet.
Good for you.
Of course you would defend weak thinking like that…
You are an Obamabot.
You have no idea who you are talking to. I am not voting for Obama.
But that’s not the point, now, is it?
What you care about is labels, rather than content.
Keep on with that, let’s see ho it works out for you.
Hey inde ,Still waiting for a response @34 .I hope you have one .Otherwise.you seem to being coming off as a recovering partisan who jumped into atheist antagonism way to fast for anyone to think you can enjoy the independence of agnostic autonomy .over one’s mental agency .
Ok what do you propose?
He has no ideas beyond what he knows he dislikes .
Capitalism is (and was) … bankrupt.
Greed does cause plutocracy. Plutocracy causes greed.
There are alternatives … that must be denied.
What holds us back is not impossibility but group deceit.
Clearly none of you left-wing loons has read a history book or noticed the
daily corruption and incompetence exhibited by one agency after another.
Ceding freedom to the control of unelected bureaucrats who have no accountability
would be unimaginably naive and stupid. Do you really think that after the
bureaucracy controls the resources, that the proceeds will be distributed “fairly”
or that the economy will continue to prosper? As if I needed more evidence of the failing education system, this article provides it. If bureaucrats were smart
enough to run companies, they wouldn’t be bureaucrats!
I doubt you read this article or you wouldnot be saying that about regulators.
So, it were better to “cede control” to a “elite” composed primarily of sociopaths with an occassional psychopath thrown in for godd measure, who are able to corrupt, with money, the agencies which you cite, and the politicians, of both stripes who destroy or neuter, legislatively those agencies?
Otherwise, you are left to claim that government corrupted itself, to no end, purpose, or profit to the political class … without the help of money or “fictitious persons” …
Indeed, it is not merely agencies which are corrupt, but entire systems. That you conclude that such systems would be “in control” and the prevailing mindset still intact, given the extent of change we are contemplating, suggests that you have not yet grasped what it is that we are talking about.
Care to think for yourself and ponder … or are you willing to continue making broad polemical statements about “loons” unless you postulate that the “effluent” ALWAYS rise to the “top”, that those who are “rich” will always be rich, that those who are corrupt will always be corrupt … in short that it is “human nature”?
Now, giatny, do you “represent” the “right”, or are you post-partisan … and “above the fray”?
DW
DW you got into that one!
OK
This site did an outstanding interview with William Black a while back.
Much to the brilliance of the members questions… he was asked about his political views numerous times. All great questions.
Rather than quote over and over here… better for anyone who wants to to read the interview themselves.
So I will explain my comment above in my own words. Mr Black in the interview admits the Obama admin not holding anyone accoutnable for the financial crisis and that this all cant go on any longer, and he states that he believes politicians and those responsible should all be held accountable by the people for their actions. In fact he chides the American people for not doing that. I agree.
But does Mr Black belive that ALL should be held accountable… ahhh… well… no… only Republicans… he’s going to vote for Obama. That type of partiasianship has to stop. It makes no sense at all. The government we have now is the result of that type of convoluted thinking.
So the person you just said should be held accountable by the American people… you are now saying you will vote FOR that person?
Yep… thats what he said.
So if Mr Black already knows he is voting for Obama… then how could he possibly be impartial in holding Obama accountable… he’s not holding him responsible… he is REWARDING the guy. Typical convoluted thinking.
Independents see totally clearly, we are not blinded by party loyalty to corrupt politicians, we see that BOTH parties in our government are totally corrupt… and there are no answers to be found there.
You claim Bill Black only wants “some” prosecutions not “all” prosecutions?
LOL! You totally read only what you want to read.
Do you mean I should stop eating? Excellent solution, should result in domination by the 1% in about 4 weeks. Excesior!
TX, JohnnyRED, but I think that my boiler guy, Zahid, is *da best*. I have already, over a year ago, sourced a guy who can repair circuit boards (and yes, I suppose that is a controller, but IANA boiler tech) and replaced mine already. I think I have done my gig. My take-away? Don’t ever, *ever*, have anything that you need (food, water, heat) controlled by somebody else. Thank you — try the veal.
I didnt say that… you lie.
He said he is “voting” for someone he had just said should be held accountable… voting for someone is NOT holding them accountable.
Hi, Bluedot12,
While I understand that we may need leaders (at some level) I have to observe that the ones I have seen generally have their own agenda. Not necessarily mine. And I don’t think that the meme “Well, do it yourself’ is the answer. I don’t pretend to know what everyone wants. But I think that we have to make, in very concrete ways, paths and methods of agreement that transcend “Money makes right.” I am impressed by the anarchist.Occupy means of reaching consensus, but I fear that they may be co-opted.
Where did I say anything about “prosecutions”.
Show me where I said that !
You made that up.
By held accountable, you DON’T mean prosecutions?
Then specify. I’m being quite clear, and it’s apparent you just can’t rebut adequately. Too bad for you.
I think I generally agree with that. Money does not make right. I have continuing hopes for the OWS movement myself.
Geez, great minds and all, I was just about to ask.
If I get the gist of this, you are saying that Black has lost credibility in your view bc he will vote for Obama even though he is not going after the crooks on Wall Street. I’m not sure he said that but I’ll take your word for it now. But pose another question. Who should he vote for? Supposing Mr Black (I don’t know this, just supposin’) thinks Obama is a tiny bit more equipped to run the country than his opponent? What then? Sit it out or vote the best choice facing him while continuing to haranque him about cleaning up the financial industry? Do you really think there is any chance at all the other guy will hold them accountable? If that is your view, ok but others can disagree, including Mr Black. Personally I have another candidate in mind entirely.
You quite clearly tried to put words in my mouth… and now quoting me out of context…
Not cool.
Here is the WHOLE quote… “But does Mr Black belive that ALL should be held accountable… ahhh… well… no… only Republicans… he’s going to vote for Obama”.
My comment was about who he is intending to vote for… if you vote FOR someone then you are not holding them accountable.
There is another assumption tucked in your post. You say you are “independent” but you seem to obviously have made up your mind. That is ok, lots of people on this site will not vote for Obama. But you should just come out and say it. We can take it. I promise. But I am wondering what any of this has to do with the post about capitalism? The idea here was to make a step or so for a new world not decide to elect someone.
No – you’re an idiot. Here’s Bill Black:
And what you are saying is that a voting preference NEGATES that factual statement?
Like I said, you wouldn’t know an ally if one bit you on the ass.
Bill Black is a great writer, he knows his subject and he is passionate about this. Too bad we cannot get someone to listen to him.
Having a “candidate in mind”… is not the same as actually voting for that person or advocating for that person.
As it stands now I will be voting for Jill Stein. I have said this over and over. No more corrupt Democrats or corrupt Republicans. As in the last election I will be voting for Inependents [not affiliated with any political party], Third Party and write in. NO Democrats or Republicans.
To vote for any Democrats or Republicans would be doing the work of the 1% and those who have corrupted our entire goverment.. for them.
No way.
I live in a bright red state, so I expect to vote for Jill as well. But no promises just yet. We agree on something anyway.
PS on that. I would highly recommend Bill Black in some capacity in her administration. The guy knows his way around this stuff.
Bravo… let’s have a beer.
Yeah…agree… he’s brilliant in his chosen field…
Unfortunately… he’s voting for Obama.
Hey inde ,Saying he would vote for Obama is not even tantamount to praising him ,and in no way an endorsement to recruit others ,and most importantly ,I doubt that anyone could detect a partisan bias that undermines his work .Come on now ,you know it’s sheer lunacy to assume a vote equals being brainwashed.Obama stinks ,but don’t pretend there is some dogmatic purity ascribed to being an independent .If you listened to Black at Rimini ,you would know this guy doesn’t pick favs .as evidenced with the Keating Five .
See defogger 67 above.
Ok I’m taking my beer and checking out now.
There’s more of that convoluted thinking…
“Hey inde ,Saying he would vote for Obama is not even tantamount to praising him ,and in no way an endorsement to recruit others ,and most importantly ,I doubt that anyone could detect a partisan bias that undermines his work .”
All answers anyone gives on who they are going to vote for does all those things… especially people in positions of authority… everyone in authority knows that.
Yes is does praise him… it fact it hands over and REWARDS a corrupt politician with the most precious thing an American voter possesses… their vote.
They have done exactly what the 1% want them to do. Why?
Hey indie ,at this point I think you know you played yourself by putting Black in the same boat as Krugman ,and only vanity keeps this rant going .Nobody thinks you’re stupid because you backed yourself into a corner .Once again ,why did he prosecute Alan Cranston if he’s such a dem loyalist.He sent dems and pubs to the pen ,and I’m pretty sure he still voted for someone in the two-party racket .I’ll give you the last word if you need it . good night
Krudman is far less credible than Black. Krudman’s does an excellent job – blowing ideological smokescreens. Black is a technocrat who prefers to avoid ideology.
Ths lacuna between them explains why we get to hear them. I’d rather Krudman disappeared in one of his smokescreens.
Another Obamabot liar…
Alan Cranston wan NOT PROSECUTED FOR ANYTHING… by Mr Black or anyone else.
Alan Cranston was part of the Keating 5…
Wiki… “The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators – Alan Cranston (Democrat of California), Dennis DeConcini (Democrat of Arizona), John Glenn (Democrat of Ohio), John McCain (Republican of Arizona), and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (Democrat of Michigan) – were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., Chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of a regulatory investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB). The FHLBB subsequently backed off taking action against Lincoln.”
I’m glad you and your Obamabot buddy brought this all up. It’s all a glaring example of the corruption of our entire government… Democrats and Republicans equally… and the fact that no one is ever held accountbable for what they do.