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Depending on your perspective (and/or tolerance for slow-pitch softball), there is either much or little to take away from Wednesday’s presidential charm assault on the professional left. I am actually a bit gobsmacked by much of what I saw on The Daily Show and read in the transcript of Obama’s meeting with the five bloggers who found golden tickets in their Wonka bars. The fact that the president still can’t give a compelling “elevator speech” about his sometimes-touted health insurance reform–amazing. Saying his ballyhooed “change you can believe in” can’t happen overnight–after 20 months in office–unbelievable. Refusing to give his opinion on whether or not “don’t ask, don’t tell” is unconstitutional because he is “not sitting on the Supreme Court”–wtf?
For the moment, however, I want to highlight this short passage from the prog-blogger confab:
But I don’t go into the next two years assuming that there’s just going to be gridlock. We’re going to keep on working to make sure that we can get as much done as possible because folks are hurting out there. What they’re looking for is help on jobs, help on keeping their homes, help on sending their kids to college. And if I can find ways for us to work with Republicans to advance those issues, then that’s going to be my priority.
What’s going to be your priority, exactly?
I suppose I should take it as a baby step that Obama acknowledges there is still a hydra-headed economic crisis out there, but that’s kind of the price of White House admission as far as I’m concerned. And that the president can’t find it in his rhetorical rucksack to explicitly promise help and lay out a series of concrete actions that he will undertake—on the eve of a crucial midterm election, no less—negates any credit he might get for recognizing the problem. “Working to make sure that we can get as much done as possible” doesn’t communicate anything resembling fierce urgency. It is the kind of verbal tap dance that has me wondering what’s behind the ineloquent words, leaving me to choose between cowardice and connivance.
But it is that last sentence that is either most ineloquent or the most telling. “If I can find ways for us to work with Republicans to advance those issues, then that’s going to be my priority.” What’s the priority? Because to me it sounds like his priority is finding ways to work with Republicans more than it is to “advance those issues,” however weak-willed that phrasing already seems.
And what if Republicans don’t want to play—because they have made it very clear that they don’t—then what? What if the president can’t find a way to work with what will certainly be a more Republican Congress—does that mean that joblessness and the foreclosure fraud crisis will not be his priority? Because, seriously, if it is not my first interpretation, it has to be the second.
Obama’s 2008 electoral success, like all success, had many mothers, but one of the reasons he was able to take the country by storm was his ability to build a compelling narrative. “Change we can believe in,” “The fierce urgency of now,” and the phrase that Jon Stewart kept coming back to, “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for,” helped candidate Obama tell a story about what President Obama’s America would look like. And it was a persuasive story. “Working to make sure that we can get as much done as possible. . . if I can find ways for us to work with Republicans” is not.
In his own defense, the president sometimes likes to quote former New York Governor Mario Cuomo: “You campaign in poetry. You govern in prose.” So be it. But even as prose, the aggregate of Obama’s day of talking to the left falls flat. Perhaps he failed to grasp the metaphor, so I will explain: the prose, Mr. President, is not just words. Your problems with a broken process is not a story jobless, homeless, or just plain insecure Americans need to hear right now. Governing is doing, and the story is told in good jobs, mortgage modification, and real relief in the face of rising health care costs. To Wednesday’s intended audience, it might be told by closing Guantanamo and trying any remaining detainees in civilian courts, by prosecuting Americans that used torture, defrauded the federal government or lied to Congress, and by immediately halting military discharges resulting from “don’t ask, don’t tell.”
What the president cannot seem to grasp is that people now hear his words—poetry or prose—in the context of their lives. And when Obama tells his one-time supporters that he has gotten 90 percent of what he wanted, those people have to wonder if what the president wants and what they want is still (or was ever) the same thing.
That is not a question Democrats want voters asking six days before the midterms.



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Two cheers for — uh, for the possibility of maybe doing something sometime in the future, assuming I can work with the batshit-insane lunatics who are sworn to destroy me. Rally to my standard and follow me into battle!
Yep.
I am entirely motivated now.
Well you know being the Prez. is hard work, just ask Dubba. So if Dubba II can’t get those cranky Senate Republicans to “advance those issues”, he’ll settle for no to half assed bills and head into that good night in 2013 with a nice retirement package and a how-to retirement book from Slick Willie.
The Republicans have made it plain what they intend to do: bring back Bush-o-nomics/Regan-omics/Free Market Fundamentalism, and obstruct Obama as much as possible.
Has anyone heard the Democrats say One Thing about what they plan to do in the next two years?
Our stagnant political system is making it easier for developing countries to leapfrog us, not only technologically, but economically. Obama is right about India, Brazil, Russia and China moving forward. They have state-run economies. We have a delusional free-for-all.
Who will stand with us when China takes over? Here: http://brighton-towne.blogspot.com/2010/10/whos-gonna-stand-with-us-when-china.html
So, after failing to accomplish anything with historic majorities in the House and Senate, President Obama promises to do what next year? And who could believe him?
To that last point–beyond “try” to “do more,” no, I have not.
Did the bloggers have to pass a drug test before meeting with the president?
unbeknownst to many, even here – Jarrett met with LGBT reps on DADT a few days ago – incl Palm Center and SLDN
“Participants would not discuss details of the exchange”
‘Ask, but Don’t Tell’
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/10/obama_joins_gay_rights_groups.html
what is this “bring back” business ? we never left
Try not offend independent voters in swing districts. Same strategy they’ve use since the DLC rode into town.
“And what if Republicans don’t want to play—because they have made it very clear that they don’t—then what?”
It’s simple. He gives them what they want — to move forward. A good example would be tax cuts for the unemployed. To give them an incentive to get off their asses and get a job.
Arbusto, O almost makes W’s hard work sound articulate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aMj42t7Cy0
Progressives, Republicans, Real Democrats, think that there are two political parties with two different agendas, there is not. There is one party control by the same people, who have a simple and crazy agenda to attack everything that led to development of middle class america.
The elites have always love the idea of slaves.
All one need to ask is what makes Obama better or different than Bush?
Did Obama end the wars? NO
Did Obama attack and shoot down the claim that off shoring americans jobs is good for the USA? No
Did Obama attack and force BP to clean up the mess in the GULF? No
During the biggest depression to ever hit the USA, Obama thought it was a great idea to make people buy health insurance.
A few rich people, brought up the entire media complex of the USA, and now control what americans KNOW, which makes it easy for them to control what americans DO!
The elites have always and will always fear an intelligent, prosperous, population of citizens that can attack and weaken their status.
Obama sitting down with a few weak, phony progressive bloggers, tells you he has no intention of doing what is right for the people, but what is profitable for his bosses.
A real leader would confront his critics, not run from them!
Or a capital gains cut. So the true drivers of the economy will create more jobs to entice the lazy unemployed to get off their asses.
Tax cuts for the unemployed. Robert Gibbs will call that a victory for the president because the Republicans’ original proposal called for workhouses and debtor’s prisons.
They had to take Valium.
“good jobs, mortgage modification, and real relief in the face of rising health care costs.”
these are not policy objectives of the Democratic Party, and they haven’t been for decades.
It is incredible that anyone still believes the (D)’s will implement these Sparkle Ponies, or have “failed” to do so due to Blue Dog or (R) obstructionism.
Doesn’t the creation of the Catfood Commission tell you all you need to know about their real objectives?
“A real leader would confront his critics, not run from them!”
When Prez O. talks to progressive bloggers and goes on Stewart, he thinks he is confronting his critics.
Or you must have a job to get food stamps.
I couldn’t watch O on TDS. My cringe factor is too sensitive.
folks are hurting out there. What they’re looking for is help on jobs, help on keeping their homes, help on sending their kids to college.
Mr. President, the government spent almost a trillion dollars on stimulus and unemployment went up. The government passed HAMP and the vast majority of folks who can’t pay their mortgage are still getting foreclosed on.
Maybe your solutions are wrong.
Now there’s a bumper sticker: “Tax Cuts for the Unemployed.” I love it.
On Charlie Rose last night the historian Garry Wills said he had been a big supporter of Obama but has been extremely disappointed in how he has governed. He also observed in a meeting Obama had with a group of historians that he displayed an intellectual arrogance that Wills found troubling.
Obama: “But I don’t go into the next two years assuming that there’s just going to be gridlock. We’re going to keep on working to make sure that we can get as much done as possible because folks are hurting out there.”
This will be his bullshit excuse for all kinds of “compromises” that destroy the social safety net.
and far too much of the stimulus were in tax cuts in the hopes of garnering Republican support. Obama’s is far to conciliatory and accommodating of his adversaries.
Oh, jeez, stop. That’s too possible. Don’t give anyone any ideas.
The Fierce Urgency of Working with Republicans.
Had I the opportunity I wouldn’t have watched either. Far too many shady used car salesmen/women on the tube already.
Wills would certainly be able to recognize intellectual arrogance – it looks back from his mirror every day.
But it’s consistent with his actions to date.
“Getting something done” is more important than the substance of what gets done.
He will continue to “get something done”, regardless of what that is. Of course, it means enacting the Republican agenda.
“Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good.” translates to “don’t let the utterly inadequate be the enemy of the appearance of progress.”
We need a massive jobs program (think WPA).
Me neither.
And I’m sure he’ll make “working with Republicans” his “priority” even when they’re impeaching him.
Oh I hate nested comments. So KOS-ian.
Well put.
He’ll cut a deal: Privatize SS to avoid impeachment.
Obama has no one on his team that knows what a Credit Cycle Depression is, much less how to fix one. He has convinced himself that the depression was averted, and that we are trying to clean up the aftermath.
To fix a problem you first have to understand that there is a problem. An administration that views the depression in the past tense is completely unequipped to fix the problem.
You are exactly right, Margot, we need ten million government (federal, state, local) permanent government jobs that won’t be outsourced and pay a decent salary with benefits and pensions, and are unionized, paid for by taxing the wealthy (and an AMT on big business). That will fix the economy (to the extent that it can be fixed). It simply isn’t possible for the private sector to fix this – the jobs have to come before there is a business need for them.
Thought I would nest one. Jez to mess with ya.
Question: what about nested comments do you dislike? Is it the difficulty of identifying the new posts? Because there’s a fix for that, if there was a way of submitting suggestions to the dev team.
China now has the world’s fastest supercomputer: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/technology/28compute.html
That was my take on this blogger meeting. He truly believes that we have no right to be disappointed with him. Arrogance explains much about this presidency.
Mr. O sees the presidency as some sort of ‘make work’ program.
‘Must keep busy…………… doesn’t matter with what, but must keep busy……….’
My scroll device is getting worn out.
You know, if you combined that with eliminating the minimum wage, that would give them everything they want.
In order to get any assistance, you have to have a job, even if it’s at ten cents a day.
Then they could provide enough assistance to bring you up to subsistence level, without any medical benefits. Prohibit any form of birth control so that a high birth rate compensates for a high death rate.
Pay for the assistance by running huge deficits financed by the Fed buying all the debt with money they conjure out of thin air.
Result: slave labor. Perfect.
I hope that they get things fixed soon because I can’t tell who’s replying to who and the no numbers is really annoying.
The Republicans have Obama right were they want him. In order to achieve his bipartisan fantasy world he’ll move even further to the right endangering working and middle class Americans even more.
Amen. And we don’t mean “uppity” We mean the extreme arrogance of the know it all. It’s all about process with this guy — not substance or values. I’ve worked for and with many individuals like this. Totally destructive.
When O was defending Larry Summers, saying he had done a hekuva job, and Stewart said you might not want to use those words Dude, did anyone believe O’s response that it was a pun intended?
Whether he was being honest or not, I was left with a third impression: this was a Freudian slip that revealed the extent to which O has succumbed to the mindset of the powers that be. Especially given that the context was Summers and financial reform that failed to address too big to fail, Glass-Steagal, and the prosecution of the criminals who defrauded an entire country and a big chunk of the rest of the world.
My wife, who is the most a-political person on the planet has already become sick of watching our president on TV.
I think that it took longer for her to be sick of watching ‘W’.
Not a good sign.
It may be even worse than that. To avoid impeachment.
Great post Gregg. I read the transcript of the events and came away with the same conclusions. This is a “charm” offensive and nothing more. Too little, too late. Just another way of trying to get the professional left to STFU and “get in gear.”
And the sad part is, many will be charmed by the sheer fact that the president talked to us. We have certainly lowered the bar for this man. Now all it takes to get some progressives fired up is for the president to acknowledge their existence.
Woohoo!
“did anyone believe O’s response that it was a pun intended?”
No!
aw thx ;) gah, back n forth scrolling .. just a pain in the ass
Sorry, meant that as a response to Propagandee.
A number of my professors in law school had that same arrogant streak.
By next week, we’ll be the least of this guy’s problems.
as I said, they have him right where they want him. So much for his prowess in chess.
More of the same.
Jan 20, 2009 … By: Gregg Levine
firedoglake.com/2009/01/20/worst-inauguration-ever/
” But the disappointment, amplified by the cold, and the overall expenditure of energy over not just this election cycle, but the eight years of Bush misrule, really made it hard not to feel utterly crestfallen.”
http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/20/worst-inauguration-ever/
I also don’t like that there’s just no need for em. The “reply” & “see text” thingies always served the same purpose just fine, for moi anyway.
but they’ll go for impeachment anyhow.
The one thing that struck me about the Stewart interview was that Obama is so nonchalant about the economic clusterfuck. Like he’s just checking off things he’s done–and that’s good enough. Why can’t he say that the foreclosure problem and high unemployment are unaccpetable and I will be working day and night to rectify the problem? Where’s the sense of urgency? It comes across so starkly and this is what makes me detest the guy.
Extreme arrogance.
Which (apropos of nothing) reminds me of my favorite Swiftie:
“I dropped the toothpaste,” said Tom, crestfallen.
Talkingstick brought up that process thing too. I never saw it before but now it is hard to ignore. It is like he is a robot or something who’s been programmed to get as much done as possible. There is no brain there … no heart, just a bunch of wires and circuit boards telling him what is the next best move to accomplish the goal. The 11 dimensional chess analogy was more spot on than I had originally thought. It is all about winning the game and all that is on the board are a bunch of inanimate pieces of plastic. The people have been taken out of the equation completely.
I love Tom Swifties. Thanks for that one.
It’s the constant Greek tragedy and the twin faces of Janus with these drama queens. All they care about is that you continue to fork over your blood and treasure. Like the cocaine addicts that many of them actually are, they get ugly and violent when you quit indulging them.
That’s a tell for his intellectual arrogance.
“I refuse to make an agenda,” Barack said listlessly.
Yup. He’s a total chair warming, clock-watcher. Said it himself on international TV in his 1st SOTU.
He’s already handled the foreclosure problem and checked it off his list. Same with the economy. Just because you don’t think those things have been sufficiently dealt with is your issue, not his(snark). He’s also handled healthcare–check, don’t ask don’t tell–check, offshore drilling–check, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan–check. Yes the wars are still going on and DADT is still the law of the land but he has done so much already to make those things better that you have no justification for being disappointed. We must not look back and keep moving forward.
Constantly splitting the difference, never defining the terms of the debate — or the goals or the values.
The guy is an ignoramus about economics. When he spouts his ridiculous right-wing horseshit (eg., the government must “tighten its belt” during a recession), it’s because that’s what he really believes.
With Obama, the American people are just “talking to the hand.”
There is no emotion or value associated with any claim. Every one is seen in the context of other claims. And there is an instinctive deference paid to the claim of the most powerful.
It’s what he’s been told by folks he wants money from.
This last minute laying-on of the rhetorical hands can certainly help motivate that portion of the Democratic base who are not political junkies. In other words, most of them.
But ‘help motivate’ is not the save as ‘motivate’. It would help if the once inspiring Obama would not use the slippery salesman talk, but it’s probably necessary since his achievements thus far have been tailored for a far different cohort than that which put him into office. And those folks don’t need to ‘vote’.
I’ll continue pondering this on my lunch break, as I go to cast a choice-less ballot for the ineffectual Harry Reid.
Yes Gregg, that last sentence…
If Obama’s strategy is to continue to “to work with Republicans” rather than putting his own agenda forth, we are indeed sunk. Or perhaps the Republican agenda will work just fine with Obama, afterall, Obama seems to believe that it’s all going just great (according to plan??) now.
Poor man just can’t seem to take hold of the inherent powers of the Presidency and seems to wither on the contentious vine of governing, and we regular people suffer the most as a result. Terribly sad.
He appears to play great 11-dimensional chess. Shame on progs for assuming he was playing the right.
oh dear, probably true and how terribly sad for Obama to be seeking Republicans’ approval rather than something that comes from within himself. Emotional immaturity?
I am unmoved.
But, of course, I will still be voting.
There is an entire class of pernicious ‘box-checkers’ out there, steering business and government. Obama is turning out to be one, GWB was also.
Just put a spinnable goal on paper, satisfy some aspect of ‘completion’ check it off and call a presser. Very common and easy to get away with, provided you have sufficient fact and spin control.
Of course at the end of the term/quarter you may well have accomplished nothing much at all. Time to blame someone…
First I would use the word hubris in place of arrogance.
What is simmering economically has yet to manifest itself. What summers, geithner and bernanke have done is paper things over.
The TBTF issue is metastesizing, there is a critical mass that is welling. When the guy from Pimco dissed the treasury and fed’s policies. A hedge rat bails….
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/bill-gross-calls-fed-mother-all-ponzi-schemes-says-30-year-bond-market-ending
Stweart shined up his titanium balls last night to be the only person to call out larry summers/obama on banksters etal
some eyecandy reaction to that here….
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/shinola-anyone
It appears that Obama and the Ds have lost women. MASSIVE fail.
Emotional immaturity? Surely you jest?
No, Obama’s just collecting his sweet sweet corporate payola for doing what he’s been paid to do by the Oligarchs who run him. Obama’s not working for the serfs; he’s working for the filthy rich. In their opinion, Obama’s done an outstanding job: mission accomplished.
Serf’s need to shift their perspective and realize fully who the Big O is working for, and the hint is: it ain’t us.
this stood out for me from the blogger meet’n'greet:
“But I’ve said in the past, I’ll say here now, it doesn’t strike me that a steep hike in the retirement age is in fact the best way to fix Social Security.”
note, he is against a STEEP hike. wonder what he considers a modest hike in the retirement age?
That’s the problem for this day and age. These pols can’t govern. Or don’t want it. They just want to make the rich and the corporatists happy.
Post is good, but when I learned about the so-called “left blogger” discussion, plus deigning to appear on Stewart’s show … I was like: yaaawwwnnnn… click: next channel.
Frankly, I knew that Obummer would bob ‘n weave and dance around in both “appearances” and say not bloody much that he hasn’t already said a million times already.
It all translates into a simple thought: I, the Great Pretender, don’t give a sh*t about the serfs. I’m here to serve the might needs of my mighty rich Oligrach Masters. Figure it out… You will see more of the same steaming pile of Kabuki Show for the next 2 years… or less if I’m impeached… whichever comes first. Good luck with the Brown Shirted TeaBaggerz cuz here they come. My real Boss, David Koch, told me so.
Amen.
No more than 10 years.
Good catch there. There will be a hike–but how much is the question. He’s giving himself some wiggle room for the future. He’ll claim he never said he was against rasing the SS retiring age, so he can go ahead and do it.
Dude is slippery people.
Obummer, like W with the plight of NOLA after Katrina, simply doesn’t give a d*mn. It doesn’t affect HIM directly. His response, like Cheney’s, is a big old: SO?????
Get used to it, if you haven’t already. That’s all there is.
Exactly. That’s it. You got it. Nothing will “change” after this election either… no matter who gets in.
They don’t care.
Bingo.
Your retirement age will depend on how much of your SS you have opted to be privatized, according to the following schedule:
65 years old — for 100%
70 years old — for 75%
75 years old — for 50%
80 years old — for 25%
100 years old — for 0%
I don’t think that is snark.
I think that is exactly what he mean when he says he has gotten 90 percent of what he wanted.
Cut Social Security and Medicare so those lazy asses can’t afford to retire, and will work for food scraps.
Exactly. Obama spends more time de-energizing his base than calling Republicans on their BS.
Did anyone notice how he can not look us in the eye? When he ran as a progressive, he did that because he knows the country is progressive and that is what he had to do to get elected. now all he does is act like, we don’t get it. All of the democrats on the progressive radio shows just keep repeating as if we don’t get it. they are the arrogant bastards, that don’t get it. They don’t listen to us or represent us and then when they realize they need us to vote for them because their corporate buddies don’t get to go into the polling booths, then they want us to vote. Can you believe, Obama endorses former republican lincoln chafee over the democrat running, but yet he wants us to just vote for democrats. He is so out of touch and on such a power trip. He has nothing to fix, because WE are so the problem.
OT – FWIW, I HATE these stupid “flags.” Are there really that many “objectionable” comments that show up on FDL that TPTB had to create a whole new system to deal with them? I’ve been here a number of years, and “objectionable comments” would not be at the top of my problem list.
And “nesting comments” sucks.
Now: one thing that strikes me about Obama’s comments, both to Jon Stewart and to the stenographers, is that they are meaningless platitudes — the kind of vague, no-substance crap you put in letters to constituents and tv ads.
This approach shows a level of either understanding of, or contempt for [or both] the American public — a belief that they will buy this meaningless shit over actual facts, programs, “promises.”
But then, of course, it’s hard to be graded negatively on no-substance crap promises and measures of progress, unlike, say “goals,” “timetables” or a “program.”
I swear, my opinion of this guy goes down every time he opens his mouth, and I am embarrassed to say I was a strong supporter initially.
“I swear, my opinion of this guy goes down every time he opens his mouth, and I am embarrassed to say I was a strong supporter initially.”
Me too.
Gregg, having posted a VERY short diary about that meeting, bloggers and Obama yesterday, reading comments, reading Blue Tex above and comments on that thread and now reading your capture of the event and comments I can only come to one conclusion:
Obama did this to depress the proggys and suppress the voter turnout in favor of the GOP.
Nothing else can possibly explain the HUGE disconnect from our reality the bloggers showed with their questions or Obama showed with his answers.
This was a deliberate ‘fuck you’ to real proggy’s to completely depress us.
From the bloggers chosen (which one was the progressive, there had to be ONE didn’t there?) to the answers given . . . all orchestrated to keep we the people depressed and at home on voting day.
Or, Obama is totally apeshit and batshit crazier than a loon on a Maine lake in the fall. N we know THAT ain’t true.
I have every intention of voting…. all dems, except for the one national candidate on the ticket. I am sick of these entrenched democrats in democratic districts. If we have to elect republicans to get a real democrat in 2 years, so be it.
But I HATE him now. I am occasionally embarrassed by how strong my hatred is, but it’s there.
4c, there were no proggy bloggers present, that’s part of the kabuki.
Onit, it’s all as simple as that, amazes me that people still want to talk about anything else BUT that fact.
I’ve been screaming that since ’06 out here in CA.
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CFITS – cringe factor is too sensitive: my vote for Twtr abbrev. o’the hr. dd/mm/yy. I’m stealing it, stealing uncomprised and non-negotiably because my CFITS.
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Sorry for interrupting myself. The CFITS device is just totally creatively potentiated. What I started to say was about Gregg Levine’s “wondering what’s behind the ineloquent words, [of Obama] leaving me to choose between cowardice and connivance.”
My two comments (2c’nts) on that:
- Didjaever notice people are still asking, “wondering,” ‘What’s going on … here … with this guy?’ but nobody thinks to notice how strange it be asking the same question for so long — going on two years now if we count the beginning at the W / O passage, or ten years now if we count beginning w/ W, or Y2K, or FLA2000 Bush v. Gore. My sense of the 1990s is that folks then were asking the same question, ‘What’s going on … here … with this guy?’ only it was NOT Majority of folks. Back then, the Major. o’folks thought they knew what was going on; (i.e., wink, wink, Monique magnifique human nature, same as it ever was … hey, you got any tips on hot dotCOM stocks?). Except when OJ walked loose, one large bloc of folks did move to asking ‘What’s going on …,’ what they didn’t understand. However the movement got rolling, by the time of Y2K and W’s coronation the very Four Winds of planet Earth were blowing ‘What’s going on …,’ in whispers and roars from every mouth of the Major. o’folks.
The point is: Gregg, look at yourself: you’re still “wondering” about this guy, Obama: “cowardice or connivance”? Is it not strange no one has answered your question by now? Doesn’t the crickets you hear answer the question implicitly? So you can stop asking and stop “wondering” and know for certain and sure — by the silence as the deliberate answer: What’s going on is connivance. That’s whaddup.
Put that in your type (diaristic journalists) and write it. As long as massmedia (you d.j.’s) do NOT write that the question is answered: truly O is conniving in a conspiracy, and instead (you d.j. types) continue spending your spacing asking the (same) question as if it had NOT been answered yet, you are muchly conniving in it — spreading the conspiracy of self-doubt and -dismissal — as if not you or not anyone can know and be certain the answer, as if it is always an open question (stay tuned to the massmedia for more on the story), the best there is possible in knowing the answer does not rise above ‘Theory’-level, the hypothetical statement, far short of being/knowing some absolute Truth (of what’s going on), Truth as is necessary to speak to Power (as Obama holds). Because the maxim is NOT ‘speak Theory to Power.’ (I stole that from Show Business’s Carl Reiner, I believe he said, “they don’t call it Show Art.”)
There’s no Art like Show Art
There’s no Art I know.
Everything about it’s so appealing
Anything the traffic will allow
Nothing anywhere is so revealing
As when you’re stealing
That extra bow.
See, that’s what they don’t say, or sing. Sorry for interrupting myself breaking into song lyrics.
Summary my first point: Stop “wondering” Gregg, right now. You already got your answer and you know what it is: Connivance. There is a vast rightwing conspiracy going on, Puppet O is a part / has a role, if you hold his words then you get sucked into the conspiracy and play the role of the incredulous bystander gape-mouthed helpless. Except massmedia and punditvoices are NOT ‘bystanders’ NOR powerless, only the conniving could like them to say they are. And by extension, everyone in their audience is, too, powerless. gape-mouthed. waiting enthralled on TV for the knowing-voices’s answer … What’s going on … here … with this guy? Stop “wondering” Gregg, and all over FDL, right now!
- My second comment delivers the point that POTUS O is co-conniving with the anti-American conspiracy (powerlust powergrab) based in IKE’s ‘mic’, the military-industrial complex.
The anti-American conspiracy is based in more than the MIC, though. Ike’s same ‘departure’ speech named the second base danger upon which might tower the enemy’s twin, an other anti-American force, conspiring and co-con’g to obtain power from the people: the ‘STE’ as Ike called it, the Scientific-Technical Elite. Americans getting down dumb-and-dumber are conceding the STE is looking up, eliter and eliter, keepers of Central Intelligence for elites to handle and folks to forgetaboutit.
So you’ll never know, forget about it, don’t have an answer, Gregg — is Obama the cowardly lion or the conniving enemy against America, (Americans, democracy, journalism, diaristic journalists, writers, academics, intellectuals, poets, artists, invalids, paupers, transients, what-have-you)?
Unless and until someone of Central Intelligence supplies you the answer. And someone has. And that’s here:
ThomHartmann.com/users/wm/blog/2010/09/suppressed-evidence-showing-cia-indoctrination-obama
… issued by someone inside Cent.Int. to the working writer who originated the Special Report that’s copied in circulation: WMR and subscribed here WayneMadsenReport.com/
[That last sentence is intentionally ambiguous in order to reflect BOTH that (named) Thom Hartmann was a paid C.I.agent who 'got out' but goes on co-conniving with the MIC/STE takeover of power in his daily massmedia presence asking "What's going on ...?", and that (named) Wayne Madsen was a paid C.I.agent (in the NSA) who 'got out' after familiarity had bred and raised his contempt for those enemies of America, and who stands on American principles, pro-America.]
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(quote) Obama did this to depress the proggys and suppress the voter turnout in favor of the GOP.(/quote)
Dood! It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!! The man is a soul less ASS!
O is a Republican, basically. He realized, that in Illinois, as most everywhere else in the United White Snakes of America, that a man with a permanent suntan cannot run for elective office and win as a Republican, so he ran as a Democrat. He did just enough progressive things to get reelected. He ran a great campaign to be President, with soaring rhetoric and stirring speeches.
As soon as he was sworn in as President, he continued Republican Bush policies for the most part, tweaking things a little bit. He became timid, cowardly and corporate. He escalated US imperialism’s wars on the third world. He kept waving his white flag of surrender to Repubs and corporate interests before the battle even began…
O is a Republican.
I am left with the impression of a man who thinks he can talk his way back into your hearts, even after he’s trashed the relationship. Sort of like sending round flowers after he jilted you. He doesn’t seem to actually have anything new to say, but he needs you bad, so he’s hoping his charm will carry the day.
“If I can find a way to work with Republicans…” also sounds to me as if he’s acknowledging that neither he nor the Democrats can figure out what to do and he’s looking to Republicans to lead the country, not him.
Yes, this aspect of the redesign is really annoying.
Sometimes if the posts are the next day, you can do a browser find search on, say, “28th” and pull those out.
I thought the performance was fine, but I do agree with the sentiments that Obama tends to let the Republicans drive the debate. This is why he is getting called a crypto-Republican.
yes, i wish they would identify posts i hadn’t seen yet. I know it’s possible. Pam’s House Blend does it. Posts I haven’t seen yet are highlighted.
the old way isn’t really adequate when a comment has more than one reply to it. This way you can see all the replies at once.
I watched it. I’m fairly certain they had some plants in the audience, or some die-hard party loyalists, because whenever he gave a weasel-y weak response to Jon Stewart, the audience would cheer. Or if he said, “It was really bad when I came in and it’s not worse”.
Didn’t believe him. If he intended to pun, it means he was disappointed in some way by Summers, but he didn’t indicate that in the interview or elsewhere before.
If by problems you mean more Republicans, which will make it easier to justify his center-right, neoliberal policies, I think you’re wrong. Both parties win in this scenario. Republicans get a soft Republican in power and pretend they’re fighting the opposing team, and Democrats can pretend it’s because of the Republicans they have to compromise or fail. Having more Republicans will help Democrats next election as it always does since they can blame them for disappointing results and fool people again into thinking if Democrats just held power, all would be well with the country.
I somewhat agree, except there are too many more with power in the Democratic Party just like him. I think the Democratic Party is the place for center-right politicians now. The Republican Party is so far out there.
Is the fix being able to switch back and forth between nested and chronological? I’m for that. btw, I LIKE nested comments, but I never can read the whole thread then.
I read somewhere that there were a lot of Congressional staffers in the audience.
He’s forever on the campaign trail, and apparently never learned how to govern. Perhaps McCain’s argument about inexperience had some merit?