To paraphrase the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Merry Effin’ Christmas.
In a news dump that came a day early (because who really wants to dump on Christmas-Eve Eve?), the Nuclear Regulatory Commission made a pair of moves Thursday that could have significant consequences for America’s nuclear industry–and all the people who have to live with it.
First, the Westinghouse AP1000 reactor design got the big thumbs up:
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission unanimously approved a radical new reactor design on Thursday, clearing away a major obstacle for two utilities to begin construction on projects in South Carolina and Georgia.
Whoa–let’s stop it there for a sec. . . . A “radical new reactor design?” Somebody’s being a good little scribe this Christmas. As previously discussed, there is nothing radical about the AP1000–it’s a tweak on the generations-old pressurized water reactor design that theoretically would allow the core to avoid a meltdown in the event of a total loss of AC power. . . .
Well, for 72 hours, anyway.
After that, the manufacturer–in reality the Japanese owner of Westinghouse, Toshiba–says something about it taking only “minimal operator effort” to avert disaster.
Keep in mind that the AP1000 was designed well before the Japanese earthquake and tsunami that started the ongoing Fukushima disaster, but this approval, of course, comes well after.
Designers of the AP1000 assert that gravity and convection will serve to keep reactor cooling functioning even if systems are disabled as they were at Fukushima. That assertion is predicated on the storyline that the Daiichi plant’s safety systems survived the massive quake, and only ran into trouble when the tsunami flooded and disabled the diesel backup generators that powered cooling systems for the reactors and the spent fuel pools.
That is a capricious assertion for two very disturbing reasons:
First, it is by no means established fact that Fukushima’s cooling systems survived the earthquake undamaged. Reports from the Japanese government and TEPCO, Fukushima Daiichi’s owner-operator, have gone back and forth on this matter. It would be naturally beneficial to nuclear advocates to go with the story that the quake did nothing to the reactor and its safety systems. But given the visible damage to the plant and the surrounding area, and given the profound leaking of cooling water that has continued seemingly unabated from the earliest days of the disaster, it is hard to believe all pipes, tubes, couplings, fittings, vents and valves–not to mention the containment vessels and tanks themselves–remained watertight after the massive temblor.
Second, the earthquake worthiness of the AP1000, itself, has been officially questioned by senior NRC officials and Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), the Ranking Member of the House committee charged with overseeing nuclear regulation:
Just days before the earthquake in Japan, Rep. Markey wrote a letter to the NRC urging the Commission not to approve the Westinghouse AP1000 design until serious safety concerns were addressed. One of NRC’s longest-serving staff, Dr. John Ma, had warned in NRC documents that the reactor’s containment could shatter “like a glass cup” due to flaws in the design of the shield building if impacted by an earthquake or commercial aircraft. The shield building has the critical safety function of preventing damage to the reactor that could cause fuel meltdowns and radiation releases.
Note, Dr. Ma has been with the NRC since its inception, and this was the first non-concurrence dissent of his career. The NRC acknowledged this concern and asked Westinghouse for a response. . . and the response was, essentially, “nah-ah.” A response that has now proven good enough for the agency tasked with assuring the safety of America’s nuclear reactors.
So, it theoretically would be great if the AP1000 were able to survive without melting down through three days without electrical power–though it should be noted that three days wouldn’t have really saved Fukushima’s bacon (even if it had remained intact) given the devastation to the region’s infrastructure. But that semi-sunny selling point on the AP1000 assumes that there would still be a reactor containment building to cool.
It is the kind of “what could possibly go wrong” assumption that has tripped up nuclear power generation in large and small ways throughout its history–and it is stunning that, especially in the wake of the Japanese crisis, this cavalier attitude continues.
But perhaps it is not so surprising when we consider just why the AP1000 has such a novel/brittle containment building: it is supposedly cheaper to build.
The AP1000 is slated to have a smaller footprint with fewer components, but still use off-the-shelf, previous-generation parts. Most notably, the design uses under a fifth the amount of concrete and rebar, compared with existing PWRs.
Not convinced that economics is the real driving force behind this “innovation?” Take a look at the other action the NRC announced Thursday:
In an unusual step, the commission waived the usual 30-day waiting period before its approval becomes official, so its decision will be effective in about a week. That moves the utilities closer to the point where they can start pouring concrete for safety-related parts of the plant.
The decision also moves the industry toward the first test of a streamlined procedure in which the commission will issue a combined construction and operating license. Up to now reactors had to obtain a construction license and then undergo a long wait for an operating license, resulting in expensive delays in starting up reactors that had essentially been completed.
The approval of a shaky design is disturbing, but the approval of a process that will allow that design to move to completion and operation with far fewer pauses to test safety is unconscionable. (And the fact that this happening because of bottom-line concerns is criminal.) As the distinguished gentleman from Massachusetts put it:
“Today, the NRC has presented its holiday gifts to the nuclear industry,” said Rep. Markey, top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee and a senior member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. “Instead of doing all they should to protect nuclear reactors against seismically-induced ground acceleration, these Commissioners voted to approve the acceleration of reactor construction. While they continue to slow walk the implementation of recommendations of the NRC professional staff’s Near-Term Task Force on Fukushima, they have fast-tracked construction of a reactor whose shield building could ‘shatter like a glass cup’ if impacted by an earthquake or other natural or man-made impact.”
And it is important to mention that the approval of this accelerated process came over the objections of NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko–who just last week faced both House and Senate panels questioning his leadership style–but the certification of the AP1000 design did not. In fact, at the same time news of the Jaczko witch hunt was blocking out the sun, the NRC chair was actually working with other commissioners–the ones who sent a letter to the White House saying Jaczko was impossible to work with–to secure the unanimous OK for the new reactor.
It is not the first time those wary of a nuclear renaissance had been presented with the dilemma of both praising and cursing Jaczko. In fact, just last week, on December 15, Jaczko was the only vote in support of a move to make all recommendations of the post-Fukushima Near-Term Task Force report mandatory for the “adequate protection” of nuclear power plants. The four other NRC commissioners asserted that it was “premature” to make such a rule–and so Fukushima’s lessons continue to go unlearned, over Jaczko’s protestations and lonely protest vote.
But it is just this sort of nightmare-inducing nuclear mollycoddling that should convince Jaczko that the process he has often praised is deeply flawed. He cannot advocate for new safety rules one week and then grant license to the industry that works so hard against those rules the next. Not if he really wants change; not if he really cares about public safety.



57 Comments

Let’s assume that the reactor is 100% safe. Let’s assume it’s located well away from the coast, earthquake zones and airports. And let’s assume that it is hardened to prevent 100% of possible terrorist attacks. Let us further assume that it is regularly and thoroughly inspected by parties not associated with the reactor owner/operators. And let’s assume that the fuel for these can be produced and transported without risk.
Even with ALL the above assumptions, there’s no place to store the waste product other than in cooling pools onsite. And that stuff is the nastiest part of the entire reactor business.
I would not permit another reactor to be built until somebody gave me a document signed by a governor, two federal senators, a federal representitive, a state senator and a state representative stating that it’s just fine to store nuclear waste in my district.
I’d be willing to bet I can get EVERY senator to sign a letter saying there’s no safe place in his/her state. And every representative. And every Governor. But I bet they can “find” safe places outside of their states.
But I’m afraid if I did that, we’d just sign some deal to quietly ship the waste to Africa or South America.
Boxturtle (And NO federal insurance)
It should probably be noted that ALL of the assumptions in my first paragraph are impossibly unlikely.
No such thing as a 100% safe anything, never mind a reactor.
With those restrictions on location, we couldn’t put a reactor anywhere close to where the power is needed.
One bunkerbuster would bust any containment we could economically build.
The inspections are carried out by a government obviously thoroughly in the pocket of the nuclear interests.
The production of fuel, from the mining of the Uranium to the refinement, to the enrichment, to the machining to the fuel bars themselves is environmentally unfriendly (to say the least!), raises concerns about proliferation, and even the non-radioactive chemicals it uses are nasty. Hydrofloric Acid, anyone?
Boxturtle (Amazing how much science and engineering can be ignored when there’s money on the line)
And far away from population centers. Indian Point is half way between NYC and mid-Hudson and there is no viable population evacuation plan for either.
In less than 20 years, the majority of the nuclear power plants in this country will be coming off line at end of useful life, representing nearly 25% of our base load generating capacity.
The nearest “clean” source of power close to nuclear power in generating capacity is combined-cycle natural gas, at less than 1/10th the capacity per plant. So, you’re looking at building somewhere near 1000 natural gas plants to replace the aging nuclear fleet, in 20 years or less.
Wind and solar can make up for some of this, but don’t provide the 24/7 generating service to meet base load requirements. There’s no technology on the horizon that will allow them to be used for anything more than peaking or intermediate power production. And even if it were to magically occur, it would have to be mainstreamed and deployed in vast quantity, in less than 20 years.
I’m not trying to hawk the nuclear industry, because I agree that there are issues that need to be addressed, namely the storage and recycling of nuclear waste. But we’re kind of between a rock and a hard place on this one.
Unfortunately our current President is a shill for the Nuclear industry as evidenced by the amount of nuclear plants in his home State. Third world America is probably going to be the repository of the whole world’s nuclear waste when it is all said and done.
Excelon (won’t link to their corp scatology) is O’s 3d biggest campaign contributor (see Paul Street’s first book on O for details) and he has already rewarded them with $9 billion of taxpayer funds.
It is my hypothesis, which indirectly I hear that Greg Palast agrees with, that none of these new reactors will ever be built. The scheme is to loot taxpayers with more such gifts, which will just sink into the corp maws. Since it takes so long to build a reactor, corp & independent media will lose track & interest long before the reactors are supposed to come online.
Like the $8 billion bricks of cash in Iraq, or the $20 billion to NYC for post-9/11 mitigation. I’ve never seen a final ‘accounting’ of the latter.
So, I take it you are generally against nucleur power? I certainly understand with the several mishaps we have had. But, seriously, isn’t it our only REAL future???? Excepting, of course, when we can harness the matter/anti-matter thing with a tacchyon beam containment field.
Wind, solar, more efficient transmission might be able to make up for mothballed nukes if the USG poured as much money into them as it does into nuke industry.
Yopu have a very valid point. We’re going to have to accept the fact that we’re not yet in a position to shift 100% off nuclear and carbon.
I’d much rather have a big coal plant, with the latest pollution tech, than a similar sized reactor. The coal plant is less dangerous to those around it.
Were I president, I’d be investing real money in solar, geo and other renewables with the goal of having all nukes and carbon plants shut down. I’d build coal plants to get us through the transition.
Assuming the worst possible accident at a coal plant in the worst possible location, you’re still looking at less dmamge and cost than that a partial, fully contained meltdown would create.
Boxturtle (If a coal plant explodes, I can clean it up with a shovel)
Won’t dispute the Obama statement. But, don’t we have fairly “safe” methods of storing the stuff in a big mountain in Utah or somethihng like that? I’ve flow over the western US many times. Lotta room out there between the Walmarts.
I agree. Wew have lots of coal and new ways of burnbing it that is much cleaner.
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OH, in all fairness, I own some land on which there are some significant coal deposits and shale. But, I AM totally objective on this issue.
Right, because there’s not this huge thing called the sun pumping energy to Earth every day. But you’ve never heard of solar power, apparently, nor do you care to invest in improving its efficiency. :-(
Nuke waste dumps might be a good place to dispose of dead U.S. soldiers’ body parts. They would certainly rest in peace there for eternity.
The Navy has been safely operating more nuclear power plants, and for longer, than the rest of the US combined, and in environments far more hazardous than any commercial plant. So it can be done, with the right control.
FWIW, we HAD an evacuation plan for Hurricane Rita. Didn’t work out so well. OTOH< if wew had had say, 2-3 weeks to carry it out, woulda been fine. Can't one delay a nucleur accident for that long?
First, it is by no means established fact that Fukushima’s cooling systems survived the earthquake undamaged. Reports from the Japanese government and TEPCO, Fukushima Daiichi’s owner-operator, have gone back and forth on this matter. It would be naturally beneficial to nuclear advocates to go with the story that the quake did nothing to the reactor and its safety systems. But given the visible damage to the plant and the surrounding area, and given the profound leaking of cooling water that has continued seemingly unabated from the earliest days of the disaster, it is hard to believe all pipes, tubes, couplings, fittings, vents and valves–not to mention the containment vessels and tanks themselves–remained watertight after the massive temblor.
The NRC could easily prove their premise by exploding a bomb to stimulate an earthquake of the same size that hit Japan by tunneling under an abandoned nuke plant and placing a bomb under the plant of sufficient size to simulate the Japanese quake.
That is if the NRC really wanted to prove the design.
As we currently do nukes, heck yes.
And it’s not our only future, only our current choice. At current commerical efficiencies, you get about 1KW per sq yd per day via solar with a theoritical maximum of about twice that. So an area of desert about 20 miles on a side would power America IF can find a way to store the power for the night.
Give me the amount spent on ONE reactor, I’m pretty sure that problem could be solved.
Boxturtle (Matter/antimetter produces most of it’s energy in an unusable form)
Nearly all coal plants coming off line now are being replaced with natural gas plants, which are more efficient, require fewer people to maintain, and produce about 1/3rd the carbon emission.
MY uncle is in the navy. LCDR. Says the nucleur reactors on the subs are “foolproof”. So, why can;t we just build a bunch of submarines and trailer them to where we need them. Could be a really need “theme park”.
So, I should cancel my order for the C7 Corvette?????
I thought they closed down the nuke waste storage in Utah? We store waste on site at nuke plants now but there has been talk of a private nuke waste site in Texas…right over the water table but with the drought I don’t think Texas will want to risk losing anymore water.
Absolutely correct. These reactors are MUCH smaller, produce much less power, but are very reliable under non-combat conditions. There is still the problem of storing waste and no nuclear ship has ever been struck with so much as a cannonball.
What would happen if a SAM struck a reactor room?
Boxturtle (I’m sure that’s classified)
Oh, I believe by the end of the century we’ll have a variety of more or less clean power solutions in use and some, like HVDC power transmission, could be deployed now, if not for NIMBY-ism.
Just not in 20 years. We’ve backed into a corner on this one, I’m afraid.
re: matter/anti-matter…..I think you need a “converter”. Ya’ know, like in Europe.
You might want to convert it to electric :-)
How would a SAM strike s submarine. Even one on land ????? Just curious :-)
Yup. Those are the older plants. Natural gas is still cleaner than the new coal plants, but it’s closer.
If we exclude mountaintop removal and fracking as methods, which is cleaner to obtain? And using best available tech, which can be burned more cleanly? Dunno. Anybody?
Boxturtle (Ultimately, we need to move off carbon)
Dude…….an electric Corvette. That’s sacreligious.
12 years bet Sputnik & U.S. man on the moon & U.S. can’t apply existing tech for green energy in 20 years. Interesting example of how much the U.S. has deteriorated.
There are shoulder fired versions and they can be used surface to surface. And aircraft carriers are nuke, too. But you may substitute the rocket/torpedo/rpg/airliner of your choice as the missle.
Boxturtle (Nitpicking so-and-so :-) )
MY water supply??????
Ontario’s Hydrogenics has won a contract to supply a hydrogen production, storage and fuel cell system to the German city of Herten, the Mississauga-based company announced today.
Developing the means to manage intermittent electricity generation from wind power farms has been a key challenge for grid operators, one that Herten city officials decided was best addressed by using a Hydrogenics’ HySTAT 30 hydrogen generator to electrolyze water, storing the resulting hydrogen and then converting it back to electricity using a Hydrogenics’ HyPM 50-kilowatt (kW) fuel cell power system.
Source: Clean Technica (http://s.tt/13uQv)
http://cleantechnica.com/2011/10/12/hydrogen-storage-fuel-cell-system-to-smooth-out-intermittent-wind-power-in-germany/
This tech is what we need not more nukes. If we factor in the cost of a nuclear accident wind power is cheaper even with the added cost of turning water to hydrogen to run fuel cells.
Given the Japanese lead the world in tech and are close if not at the top for safety regulations and America’s free market no regulation approach is anti safety more accidents if it means more profit we can’t expect any nuke plant to be run safer than Japan does.
“an electric Corvette. That’s sacreligious.”
Think of it like the California emissions versions produced in the 1970′s. :-)
Boxturtle (“What God would permit this?” – 1977 calif vette fan, after test drive)
Yup, Yucca mountain is no longer an option. And there’s nothing else even being discussed.
Boxturtle (If your local utility wants to put some boxes in your basement…)
They admitted to leaking Strontium 90 into the Ocean. They like our Govt and Corps keep changing their story. Trust but verify (from a safe distance preferably)
For submarines, you’re right, but the reactors on a carrier aren’t that much smaller than a commercial plant. After all, they have to meet the energy requirements of a floating city and still propel it through the water :-)
Also, if a SAM were to strike a reactor room, it would merely sink to the bottom of the ocean and sit there. The core is very well protected on a Navy ship.
Well…………..I see how THAT could be a problem. Hmmmmmmmmm. We need to develop an impenetrable force field. NOw THAT could be real job creator.
It’s a matter of scale. The US put men on the moon in groups of three. An equivalent scale would be putting people on the moon in the thousands, in the same amount of time.
Not sure exactly where the new private nuke storage is in Texas but its over an underground water supply yes and gov Perry is for the project.
But with the Texas drought expected to continue next year Perry might back off that issue.
Do you think Global Warming if Obama were to make a link between Global Warming and the Texas Drought and hammer the point might swing Texas our way?
So, we build a nucleur powered carrier, dock it at the various coastal cities and we have killed two buirds with one stone. Clean energy for the city AND another carier when and if we need it.
I can’t believe nobody came up with this idea before. Thanks Joe.
Hippie Joe on scale from above.
How long did it take to build the U.S. interstate system. With all the NIMBY problems that entailed.
Look how long it took them get that one last damn caolrie out of Coke.
Speaking as a construction guy, the idea of a combined construction and operation license is insanity. If they were to test subsytems, then systems, then assemblies, and keep moving up the chain, it mgdht work. But the whole thing has to be tested, in its entirety, sometime, including all the safety systems.
I am preparing a seminar on safety for this spring. One point I intend to stress is that one of the chief accident causes is not speed per se, it is hurrying.
The Tesla is 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. You can’t beat the instantaneous torque at the wheel of an electric motor :-)
Carrier reactors are about 160mwe. Commercial reactors are about 1600mwe. The new A1B reactors are about 300mw, but I’m not sure any of those have actually been produced.
Order of magnitude difference.
Boxturtle (These reactors run on bomb grade fuel, so proliferation is a real concern)
BTW, I have a fully restored 78 Silver Anny that I show and drive on weekends. But, all the polution stuff is (now legally) gone, upgraded intake, ignition and real dual exhaust w/headers.
Please expand on this point we are not all construction guys why is it insanity?
Texas is red until the Hispanics birth enough babies to change the demographics. Should take them about 20 years.
“Be quick but don’t hurry.” John Wooden
All right. SHIT. Back to the drawing board.
But it sounds like a high powered blender. No thanks.
But, but, but…
What about all the aresenic and cianide in the air?
I live in close proximity to about 5 of those jokers and it hasn’t lowered the electric bill, nor helped with the breathing situation. Plus, the Virigina through Georgia earthquake still hasn’t given us a feeling of security since nobody wants to give the real facts.
Hey, you want real facts? You are on the wrong planet. Looking around this Horrorday season I am struck by the dearth of real facts available to the people.
What about them? Arsenic adds a sweet taste to the air and cyanide will add a lovely almond aroma.
The power stations ought to be CHARGING you for that service.
Boxturtle (Next, I suppose you’ll say you don’t like sulfur)
Is that why the water stinks like rotten eggs?
Whocouldaknowed?
High sulphur coal PeasantParty will get you rotting eggs smell I assume its worse after a rain?
One point i don’t think has been discussed here is that Amerikans are energy gluttons. Each of us generates twice the co2 of the worst emmiter in Europe England. We would not need many new dirty nukes or coal plants if we shed the belief that we are entitled to waste energy.