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“Yet the National Day of Prayer Task Force, a nonprofit organization founded in 1988 and led by Shirley Dobson, wife of Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, limits its events to people of “Judeo-Christian” heritage. Only Christians are allowed as state coordinators.
Christians say anyone is free to organize a prayer event outside the task force’s purview.”
then they ought to be calling it the “Christian Day of Prayer”, NOT the ‘National’.
Calvinism is still alive and well in the U.S.
I’ve said this before, but the Athiest movement is what we should be following.
Right now progressive activism is kinda stuck in a 60′s era mentality. Marches, write senators, and all that = change. Unfortuantely as we’ve proven over and over these methods are no longer viable.
The Athiest movement has had more success than anyone else in the progressive world. From the bus ads, to the FFRF’s lawsuits (I’m a member of the FFRF in full disclosure, to activism on college campuses. For example check out this
not only do we need to adopt this model, and allow ourselves to be angry, but we should be arm in arm with the Athiest movement anyway.
Because the fight for Atheism Is the fight for progressivism. You can’t have a progressive society where religion is in charge.
I think we have a Calvinist view of a lot of things, but let’s not leave out the Catholics on this one – a lot of the most influential theocrat wannabees in the US are Catholic, including the entire right wing of the Supreme Court.
I don’t know if you *can’t* have a progressive society with religion in charge, but it certainly seems less likely.
That Mohammaed stick figure thing is utterly hilarious. Simply and utterly hilarious.
My only suggestion is that someone could have gone back after the initial drawings were altered and drawn a second figure with an arrow pointing to it and a bit of additional text. Then the whole scene could have been two stick figures, one Ali, one Mohammad, reading ‘Mohammad Ali was renamed after this guy’
You know, keep escalating the war of chalk-wits, see where it goes.
atheists should probably just stay quiet for the day, but what do I know?
No, they shouldn’t.
No, they should file another lawsuit trying to get an injunction barring the president from doing it.
We’ll have to disagree there I suppose. In my mind religion is the enemy of all progress in society. The fight for progressive values IS the fight against religion.
That’s fairly uncivil of you, and hard to interpet any way other than you telling me to shut up.
If you want to write a diary defending the NDP, no one’s stopping you. Just like nobody stopped me from writing this one.
They’re appealing the current ruling, but Judge Crabb explicitly allowed Obama et al to continue doing the NDP until the appeals are exhausted. Which basically means it’s up to the Obama admin; if they appealed this all the way to our current Supreme Court, I can’t see how they’d lose. Roberts loves his right-wing judicial activism.
Obama hasn’t shown a great deal of enthusiasm for the NDP; he’s only issued the pro forma declarations, which, until this suit at least, he was required to do. The DOJ also is kind of obligated to defend all laws on the books, so I guess the appeal could be a slow-walk, due diligence way to let it die.
Personally ,I liked the bear costume. *G*
I got tired of South Park myself, but I’m glad to hear they’re still picking fights. I don’t know what their grudge with Al Gore was all about though, to this day I don’t get it.
Comedy Central needs to grow a spine about this. What’s next, telling the Daily Show it can’t cover a story because someone might be religiously offended?
actually, I thought it was a bit of a joke that I was making.
sorry, if you saw it a serious and impolite.
Don’t worry. I won’t.
My response should probably be it’s own Seminal post, but I’ll leave it here anyways.
I’m an atheist. And I frequently encounter the view that atheists have no hope, no beliefs and are generally “downers.” This is not true, as at least for myself I have many hopes and beliefs, they’re just not religiously oriented. My thoughts hopes and beliefs are inspired by the actual humans, actions, art and literature that we’ve produced.
For instance, as regards the Human Condition, and touching our inner selves Art is fantastic. Witness [you have to invest 8 minutes listening, but well worth it]:
Beethoven: String Quartet op.135, 3º movement: lento assai Certainly an exegesis on the human condition. The top comment on this youtube:
Of course, these are testaments to depth of human emotion and are, in the end, painful because of the pure intelligence and expression behind them. Here is a human being saying “I am here”. But, now what?
And then there is the following movement from the same quartet, Beethoven’s last work, by the way, having been profoundly deaf for quite a long time:
Muss es sein? Es muss sein! [Must it be? It must be!]
Again, one must invest 7, 8 minutes to listen.
The question and answer, the joy and passion that flows from the old, curmudgeony deaf genius in the very last months of his life is a testament to humans everywhere. And when one really let’s oneself just listen and just be a certain emotional sustenance is had.
From a deliberate, intellectual and creative artistic act, not one that requires belief.
What is it about curmudgeons?
I almost included something along these lines from PZ Myers, actually, in response to another post here on FDL recently where an author claimed that atheists drain the ‘color’ from life by insisting on material or rational explanations for the world. Myers’ point is that he and many other scientifically inclined people find beauty and joy in the world as it is; you get yours in music, it would seem.
A person doesn’t need to be religious to appreciate the world and the human spirit, though many religious authorities and even people in an atheists life may say precisely that. Nor does a person need it to be moral, or to have a purpose in life.
These things seem obvious written out, but I suppose they’re not, since so many would disagree.
Well, I also get my rocks on science, truth be told.
The point of the “color draining” is what I’m really responding to.
Fearless people with no boundaries really provide the MOST color, if you ask me; and that includes accepting no dogma, because what are religiously ideologically boundless people?
i just get so tired of Believers cramming their beliefs down my throat. when will it stop. pray in private please, just don’t use my taxes to cram your silly beliefs down my throat and on MY government.
This is so much like Iran it’s not even funny.
What a classic non-apology. Worthy of a Republican, that was.
You’re statement at first, and again at second, glance seems a bit dotty.
What do you mean by saying that?
it was meant as clarification more than as apology.
I’m sorry that my meaning wasn’t clear.
EDP, I am a bit of an a**hole too, and I took mac’s comment as pure snark from the get-go, and an apology would have been, IMO, inappropriate.
As for you mac, Giants win!
what are they putting in Zito’s feed?
I can see similiarities, certainly between the goals of the millenialists/Dominionists and the current Iranian regime.
Though really, the Dominionists wouldn’t stop at Iran; they want to march us all the way to a Christian Saudi Arabia.
Military power + theocracy = trouble.
you can see similarities amongst the hard-core fundies in a few religions.
but how does anyone get around to comparing the repressive Iranian theocracy to this country? that comparison’s about half a league past left field.
heh. When I was a teen my public school held prayer rallies promoted with enormous cross-bedecked banners and tried to have Atheist kids like me committed to mental hospitals because we didn’t worship Jesus, or listened to the ‘wrong’ music, or both.
It’s not nearly as big a stretch as you might want to believe.
Wow, where did you grow up? That would have been impossible where I lived.
Howzabout Sarah Palin and her Seven Mountains theology, concurrently espoused by Billy Graham Junior and the C-Streeters?
And no, they’re not a band. They’d actually love to kill the Ugandan gays.
tried to have Atheist kids like me committed to mental hospitals
please go on with this… cause I ain’t never heard the like.
I grew up in Pennsylvania, but I had my middle high and high school in West-Central Indiana.
It wasn’t an easy place for me to be, and I have no plan to ever, ever go back.
What about them? What country are they running and which army is taking their orders to kill Ugandan gays? How many gay people were executed for homosexual acts during Palin’s term of office?
The flipping Iranian government actually kills gays, as I’m sure that you’re aware.
Actually, as Sharlet has been reporting for some time, Family adherents hold a lot of power in Uganda. As well as various followers of Rick Warren, who’s long had a special focus on the place.
Hmm, at any rate, I’ll have to check back in in the morning. Night all.
good night to you.
*yawn* Well, it’s no longer the day of prayer, so I guess I’ll get back to not-praying for no particular reason.
My wife was upset this morning that I didn’t mention it to her yesterday; she wanted to pray to C’thulhu.
Don’t know if you and Kelly will see this but I think it’s ‘right down your alleys’.
I’ve got it up in the background to read for sure. Right now I’m arguing with Jason Rosenbaum a bit on HCR. It’s a hobby of mine.
Thanks for the thought. It’s always good to have good things to read.
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