Her Highness Hotflashcarol and her little sister, back in those halcyon haystack days at the ranch
The very least you can do in your life is to figure out what you hope for. And the most you can do is live inside that hope. Not admire it from a distance but live right in it, under its roof. What I want is so simple I almost can’t say it: elementary kindness. Enough to eat, enough to go around. The possibility that kids might one day grow up to be neither the destroyers nor the destroyed. That’s about it. Right now I’m living in that hope, running down its hallway and touching the walls on both sides.
― Barbara Kingsolver, Animal Dreams
I used to have this quote taped on the wall in front of my desk, where I would see it every day. Some days I would focus on the “elementary kindness” part, and that would remind me of another quote, attributed to Mother Teresa: “Be kind anyway.” Thinking about that eased my mind and allowed me to set aside my “righteous” indignation over that day’s outrage. Whew.
Other days, I would focus on the “living in that hope, running down its hallway and touching the walls on both sides” part. I would remember the wild abandon I felt as a child, racing between the long rows of haystacks on my grandpa’s ranch. Or I’d imagine that I was one of the players on my high school football team at the state championship, bursting through the giant Go Leopards! banner and running through a tunnel of my teammates as they slapped me high-fives. Or I’d hear my Auntie Anne, a therapist and shaman who heals veterans with PTSD, say to me when the world seemed hopeless, pointless, impossible: “You can live in the nightmare, or you can live in the dream.”
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For the past few weeks of this election season—maybe even months—I’ve chosen to live mostly in the nightmare, to live inside despair instead of hope. Yesterday, I suddenly snapped out of it. I got a little wake-up call from someone who chose to be kind anyway. I spent a lot of Tuesday evening and most of the day Wednesday venting my rage on various FDL threads and on Facebook, excoriating everyone who voted for Obama and attempted to defend their positions. Even people who love me and agree with me were telling me to take a chill pill.
A young woman who I am FB friends with (but don’t really know) posted, on her own page, her reasons for being happy about Obama’s win—one of which was seeing the first African-American president re-elected. She said that she didn’t appreciate people posting ugly stuff about the election on her page; she’d rather people “unfriend” her than do that. So I whipped right in and unfriended her with an “Okey dokey” before I left, even though she and I had never had any previous direct interaction on Facebook or in person. Take that, you, you . . . happy person who doesn’t have the sense to be outraged like me! In fact, she is a fellow Occupier and committed activist. I have admired her for the past year, not only for her wonderful writing skills, but also for her courage in standing up to the very worst of Occupy bullying and divisiveness. But hey, too bad we can’t be friends any more! I don’t have time for people who . . . live in the dream.
It turns out she wasn’t willing to dismiss me as quickly as I dismissed her. (As I noted above, she has lots of practice in standing up to bullies.) She emailed me yesterday morning and asked why I needed to be so snarky, why I was acting like I am morally superior. With an attitude like that, she asked, why bother imagining that the world can be a better place? Good question. I came thisclose to sending back another kneejerk response along the lines of, we’ll have to just agree to disagree. But I couldn’t do that, because I respect her, I care what she thinks about me and I felt terrible about what I had done. I had no reason to be hateful to her. And she’s definitely not the first person who has accused me of acting that way recently. I got down off of my high horse and sent her a very heartfelt apology, which she was kind enough to accept. Whew.
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Clearly some introspection is in order. I know exactly why I am feeling anger and despair, but my remorse for misdirecting those feelings doesn’t make them go away. Early on in his first term, I was angry at Obama; he was like a lover who betrayed me. Several people I know have expressed that exact same notion, of someone you fell for letting you down. Now I believe that anger was misdirected as well. Yes, I feel rage when I read about the latest civilian casualties of the drone war or the latest backroom bankster deal, but Obama is just the latest in a long line of leaders who have betrayed us, and he won’t be the last. They are rubber; we are glue; anger bounces off them . . . .
I have come to believe that our only hope is to stop legitimizing and enabling this patriarchal system, especially two-party electoral politics. To stop waiting for the right Democrat, the right leader, to step up and somehow undo in four or eight years what decades of unfettered capitalism and imperialism have wrought. When election day came and everybody finally had to lay their cards on the table, my heart sank to see how many of those cards had “Obama” written on them. Most of my progressive friends voted for Obama. And not all of them were in the lesser-evil camp; many still hold him in high regard, or at least are optimistic that he will try to make their lives better.
The celebratory response to Obama’s win made me feel even more alone than I normally do, here in America. And when I feel alone, so marginalized by my wacky core beliefs that are shared by a tiny percentage of the U.S. population (vegetarianism, atheism, Marxism, socialism), I tend to react in a way that comes across as morally superior, more enlightened, leftier-than-thou. I’m used to my vegetarianism provoking this response, even though I don’t proselytize; mostly I try not to mention it, the same way you try not to mention that you have syphilis—especially at the dinner table. Nevertheless, the mere act of my not eating meat can cast a judgmental pall over the meal. Mr. HFC and I try to keep a very low profile at Thanksgiving. But I digress.
I have to admit that leading up the election, and in its immediate aftermath, I have been judgmental. This time around, we knew exactly who Obama is, what he stands for, and which direction he tilts when we push him (hint: it’s almost always to the right). We know that the system is rigged, that our choices are limited to candidates who have been bought and paid for by the oligarchs. I have been intolerant of anyone who expressed faith in the integrity of the presidential election and voted for Obama in spite of these facts. I have been compelled to tell them that they’re at least somewhat responsible for whatever happens next.
I’ve been viewing this as a zero sum game: any energy spent on Obama, on propping up a failed system, is energy taken away from the revolution, from the dream. But maybe it’s not a zero sum game; maybe these parallel paths all lead to the same place, to that new world that we hold in our hearts. The one thing I bet we can all agree on is that the hard work we’re all doing for social justice must continue unabated and that we can try to be kind anyway whether we work separately or hand-in-hand. And we better hurry; time’s ticking away.




68 Comments

You seem to have taken a good chill pill, my friend. Kindness, yes. And that’s one of my favorite Kingsolver quotes as well.
Occasional anger, imo, isn’t necessarily unkind, but judgmental can certainly be. You’ll get it right, and I’ll try for more of the same careful considerations.
Great post for a day that’s in need of it. Rec’d. ;o)
Bugger! I forgot to say how fantastic the photo is, Your Highness. Love the make-up jobs. ;o)
This is an excellent diary. Highly recc’d.
The fault lies not in Obama nor the Democrats.
The fault lies in the stars. Shakespeare wasn’t always correct, either.
The times they are a changin and there’s nothing anyone can do about it, especially us soon to be elders. Are day is done, we can join and offer our guidance and experience but not if we stay in a snit and react angrily and delusionally to the simpple facts of change, generational and ethnic.
For white progressives as well white conservatives.
Wake up and smell the cafe mocha, people.
Great stuff happened this week. Women made huge gains. Minourities are now the sought after demographic. They will benefit tremendously from this result. The front door of legitimacy is now wide open to them. No one can bar that door any longer.
Gays and lesbians and weed. Oh MY!
The young!
These are all progressive wind folks.
Yet you’re determined to stay in a snit because you’re hopeless dream of leading the future is unrealisable?
Jeesh. Grow up old people.
Beautiful diary, hotflashcarol.
The wisest and happiest folk I have known have been those who could see the child in all of us.
Recommended.
“These are all progressive wins” not wind. The wind is all mine.
[:o)
And Carol, I really appreciate this diary a lot. I understand people need to go through the stages of grief, third party progressives as well as conservatives, but you are showing an honest maturity and really, leadership skills.
What many in the internet far left really need is someone to lead them out of the echo chamber of their own self-righteous blindness.
It really hit home for me when I read that Stoller article which dumbfounded me because I always found that guy to be intellectually honest and able to maintain a wide perspective.
But even he succumbed to sheer fantasy and fact rigging to proclaim utter nonsense in place of realism.
He set the progressive movement back another four years.
You have started a reversal of that sad trend. Hopefully, others here will snap out of it and start looking at the future realistically and acting accordingly.
Thank you, everyone. I needed to find a way back up the surface to get a breath and Facebook, of all things, provided one.
wendydavis, this diary took me forever to write, to get right, because I am not apologizing for my anger or letting it go entirely; some days, it is all there is. But most days don’t have to be like that.
Juliania, I appreciate your kind words. My childhood was very, very difficult and that is probably what still fuels a lot of my anger. But I spent many nearly carefree days at my grandparents’ ranch and it saved my life. That picture reminds me of that and makes me hopeful.
Donkeytale, welcome, and thank you for the reminder of all the good things that happened on Tuesday. All true, all reasons to celebrate.
Beautiful. Just reading Poisontree Bible and will look for this one next.
Thanks for sharing your personal enlightenment and a great example of how we all teach each other and need each other. This should be front paged IMO.
Thank you, BSbb. I like Kingsolver’s earlier work better than her later stuff, although it is all good. Animal Dreams and Pigs in Heaven are two of my favorites.
We don’t really have a choice, do we? Especially us elders. We’ve got to try to unfuck the world at least a little bit before we hand it over.
It’s the history of mankind that the next generation pretty much always does a better job. And the previous generation doesn’t think they will.
I actually have a lot of faith in the young people that I know. They’re pretty smart and they care a lot more than people give them credit for.
Thanks, HFC, especially for the quote.
Kindness is the one thing that can undermine the tribalistic divisiveness of the violent, hateful “us” versus “them” nonsense always being shoved down everyone’s throat by the fear-mongers and control addicts.
here’s thing tho. If we look back honestly, we knew our parents couldn’t be trusted to unfuck the world they’d fucked.
And we cant either at this point. I think that was what made this recession so especially painful. It came at the stage from which we oldsters cant really recover much.
And I’m not one of those who blames solely the banks or the govt or the rich, either. Yes, they should get a lot maybe most of the blame, but people ignore the fact that we too spent the better part of thirty years ringing up the personal debt ($64 trillion worth!) that we knew or should have know would come back to bite sooner or later. The boom boom years from the 80-05 were a result of a historic change from frugal savers to high living debt junkies for a very wide cross-section of Americans off all incomes levels.
Its too easy just to blame the rich, the govt, Obama what have you.
True but if someone takes my wallet without my permission and takes my money out of it and spends it on a personal petting zoo, an island in Hawaii and a Gulfstream Jet I do blame them.
I blame capitalism. But that’s just me. :)
It’s the one idea that is guaranteed to lower my blood pressure. It’s easy, it’s free, everyone can do it and it gets immediate results. Kindness is good.
I love her book The Lacuna.
Excellent post, hotflashcarol. I’ve been feeling like a caged tiger all week. Ready to pounce and rip shit up!
I’ll try Be Kind Anyway.
Thanks for your insights.
I blame it on the Devil.
Same thing when you think about it, on the level of objective abstraction.
And for humans, an equally unavoidable one.
Bless you, this is marvelous.
One of my ways of trying to get out and stay out of the black hole of
despair and self=righteousness is a theology study group that has been so much a part of my healing in the last year.
We are currently reading an extraordinary book by Quaker theologian Parker Palmer, Healing the Heart of Democracy: The Courage to Create a Politics Worthy of the Human Spirit. It has helped me calm down in this election season and begin to strive to live in the kindness space that Kingsolver, and now you, call us to. It seems eons ago that I raged with screaming curses upon God, all Republicans (and even all Democrats)in the deepness of my blackness.
I’m 72 now and I do have hope that I can still make a difference. While I work with my Lutheran church group in partnership with a Jewish congregation group on foreclosure and neighborhood stabili-zation issues, I more and more find meaning and joy in encounters of “kindness” and affirmation.
A recent such event was a Saturday afternoon opportunity to join a group of folks meeting up with a Japanese city council candidate in the park across from my apartments. I had an opportunity to chat with the man and ask his counsel on one of the issues we’re concerned about in our community organizing efforts. He succinctly gave a simple, tho difficult, he repeatedly stressed, beginning answer to one of our dilemmas. While he expressed no willingness to help us, in the event he was to be elected, his stern look that took my question quite seriously, assured me that he understood and cared to share his wisdom.
I then took my half burnt hot dog over to a table and sat beside a woman who looked older like me and who was all alone. Turns out she was a much younger neighbor than I, in spite of the sad appearance of her withered face and tiny frame. As we began to talk, she suddenly shared that she attended an NA group at my church a few blocks away and really didn’t know anyone in the neighborhood outside that group.
I quickly invited her and her somewhat estranged daughter to our upcoming neighborhood Thanksgiving dinner. As we continued to share about our lives and hopes, she remarked that she had never spoken with anyone who had so totally affirmed her and was glad that she happened to come to the park that day, as was I.
I struggle to comprehend and live Palmer’s “habits of the heart” which, even now, I cannot enumerate. Put simply, they are, in many ways, simply a life of kindness. I don’t need to “see Christ” in the stranger, I just need to see another human being longing for someone’s affirmation and kindness. I can be that someone for some.
So, thanks again for a wonderful post and may the Lord help us all
have the grace to live in kindness for others and ourselves.
Grace and peace to all
I, like Hotflashcarol, did not support Obama and did not vote for him. It’s been no secret that he was the odds-on favorite to win. When he did, I did not feel angry, but I felt sad for my country and for the jubilation of those who saw Obama as a progressive hero, which he by no means is.
So I did not have the reaction you had, Hotflashcarol, since I had long resigned myself to Obama’s victory and consoled myself that on a very few issues, he is better than Romney. But, on far too many issues, there is no difference, essentially, between them. How sad that American democracy has come to this. I could only feel grief for my country.
Then I had to endure the Dkos-like enthusiasm of Tbogg’s cheering section as they dissed those of us who did not support Obama, yesterday AM.
This I really could not understand. I understand why people would decide to vote for Obama as the lesser of two evils, but I do not understand why they would be overjoyed at the election’s long-foretold outcome, the reelection of the conservative technocrat, civil liberties shredding, drone enthusiast, Wall Street BFF, Barak Obama.
Some of the comments on Tbogg’s blog were purposely and hatefully aimed at those of us who could not in good conscience support Obama. That made me even sadder. Where are the people who really care about what’s going on, if not here?
I suggest everyone think deeply about what you are supporting when you support Obama. Please read “Is this Child Dead Enough For You?” by Chris Floyd: (link)
Mods, please help – the photo at the top is no longer showing up. I tried both Firefox and Safari and all I see now is the dead link. Can you please check that out? Thank you!
((mod note: the settings at flickr were for no downloads, that’s why it wouldn’t show up.))
Welcome, kairossue, and thank you for sharing that perfectly wonderful and inspirational story. I am in awe, and have such gratitude for, people like you who are still out there spreading kindness and having your feelers out for people who need it. It’s so hard – and so easy. Peace back to you, my friend.
Carolyn, I soooo feel you. One of the people arguing on the Facebook pages I was posting on Tuesday night talked about the drones and said to someone: “It’s not like I can meet you halfway on this.” It’s definitely the most egregious wrong, in my book, and Obama has taken full responsibility for it. That one is on him – and on Congress, for not stopping him.
Thanks mods, good to know!
And actually, if I am true to what I said in my diary, it’s mostly on us; at some point, hopefully in our lifetimes, it will become important enough for us to make him stop. Or the rest of the world will.
Well, yeah, I mean we agree:
Thanks openhope, I can relate to that caged feeling and it sucks. I have The Lacuna sitting around ready to be read; maybe I will pick it up soon.
This is a beautiful, honest and humanizing essay that I needed to read. The picture is wonderful and well-preserved!
Thank you.
Thanks, Crane-Station. My little sister and I laugh so hard at that picture and, because we picked on each other pretty relentlessly at that age, we wonder which one of us did her makeup.
It’s actually quite well done, IMO. Reminds me a bit of what my son and I did for Halloween with Cinema Secrets makeup one year. I had a screwdriver through my head that was so realistic looking that I actually scared a little girl away when I answered the door with the candy, to the shock and dismay of the parent standing there.
These were people who simply failed to realize how seriously we took our Halloween, and so, this little girl showed up in some sort of a little pink outfit, took a brief look at us and ran away.
I always loved it when people giving out candy dressed up!
The photo was taken in the high desert in Nevada – based on our short sleeved shirts, I am guessing it couldn’t have been Halloween. Must have been some other occasion that called for princesses.
Oops, my bad. Yours was well-done in a beautiful way while ours what just awful! Either way, it was great fun to play with makeup.
A thoughtful and honest essay, hfc
You describe, indeed, the challenge for those of us with a sometimes strongly passionate heart.
“Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.
This is a quote I have had taped up at different times, to remind me of what it looks like when we are ‘being’ the change we are seeking to see in the world.
Highly rec’d for the power of its naked honesty.
Thank you, hfc.
p.s. love the crown!!
Thank you. I think that quote needs to go up on my wall as well, walkinboots.
Writing this was cathartic. I feel like I just put down some heavy suitcases I’ve been dragging around. They musta been filled with rocks. :)
Great diary, hotflashcarol. I’d like to begin believing thta your last paragraph can come true. I’ll try that thought on for a while and see if it takes. Thank you.
Yep, I feel that way too although we only have atheism in common. I’m a meat eater but cannot have any dairy (for medical reasons) so I feel your pain on the vegetarianism and I’m more of a democratic socialist than a Marxist. But, like you, I do my best to fly under the radar. However, I’m sure it’s occurred to you that it’s not a two-way street. The capitalists and god-believers (particularly Xtians) have no reticence whatsoever about trumpeting their beliefs as if they are not only self-evident truths but woven into the fabric of the Universe.
I remember one co-worker blurting out “Did you ever notice that atheists don’t like people” while describing how the movie Contact (based on the novel written by Carl Sagan – atheist) had convinced him that there was a god. I immediately replied to him that his statement was bigoted and that he completely misunderstood the movie and didn’t know the position of the novel’s author. I wasn’t exactly “kind” to him but, then again, I don’t think ignorance and bigotry deserve much kindness in return.
WRT to the Obamapologists and Obamabots I have no reservations whatsoever getting in their faces. They are not particularly kind in how they treat those of us who haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid so fuck ‘em. I detest band-wagon followers and people who value conformity above facts and reason. Sorry I can’t sign on to the kind at all costs approach but just think of me as the “bad cop”.
Thanks, Fred. I am only aspiring to kindness; I expect it will be a hard road ahead. I don’t suffer fools very gladly either, but it’s a little harder when you are debating people who are right there beside you on almost everything else. Support for Obama seems like such a non sequitur.
Well written, HFC. You’ve expressed my sentiments exactly. I’ve practised spiritual yoga for decades but I still have to be reminded to keep my cool with low information Obots, a groups which includes virtually all my family and friends. Chris Floyd’s piece with a pic of a drone murdered child today really set me off. If being staunchly antiwar and anti-police state makes me a pariah, then so be it.
I purposely have not read the Chris Floyd piece yet because I know my head will explode. Maybe with the imaginary (IMHO) specter of President Mittens safely out of sight, more people will be forced to deal with the reality of Obama’s drone wars. Most of the people I’ve been arguing with would characterize themselves as antiwar and antipolice state; sooner or later they will have to confront that.
So now that it’s all over, it’s to be forgive and forget, is that it? Let me describe my feelings about the last several months at Firedoglake:
I was genuinely in need of some calm, rational input into my very real uncertainty about which to vote for, Obama or Stein. I tried to lay out my reasons and my thought process in the hope that somebody in our community would be able to act as a sounding board because most of my work and off work friends are pretty apolitical, (by “apolitical” I mean far less interested in policy than I am). Instead, I always got jumped by the reflexive anti Obama crowd like a school of sharks goes after a bleeding diver. They would question my intelligence, my sanity, accuse me of being everything from an Obamabot to an enabler of genocide, etc. Many of you guys didn’t want to discuss anything reasonably or calmly, you didn’t want to know my thought process, you didn’t even wish to persuade me. No, you tried to badger, shame and bully me into coming to your side AND you also had the people who remained sane throughout the election too terrified to speak up and assist me so that I wound up getting almost none of the help that I sought in good faith.
You say Obama “betrayed you” because you “fell for him”? Whose fault is that? More importantly, why have I now had to suffer for other peoples’ poor judgment through not one, not two but three election cycles? In 2008, I attempted to point out to the people who “fell for Obama” that he was in fact not a Progressive but a party establishment Democrat. I presented facts like public statements and voting records. I was called “racist” and “Bushbot” and “Paid troll”, etc. I also tried to persuade Obama’s fans that gloating over Clinton’s defeat wasn’t the best way to get her supporters onto the bandwagon. For that bit of cheek, I earned “Hillarybot”, honestly, what’s up with the implications that I’m stupid?), and “P.U.M.A.”. Then in 2010, when all of the jilted and now awakening partners of Obama and the Democratic Congress wanted to “punish” them and to “send a message”, I again tried to point out the axiomatic truth that in our system, punishing one party always means rewarding the other. I was accused of being an Obamabot that time and being a “Dim-o-crap”, (that one has stuck in my head for some reason), and other unfortunate names. Now, in 2012, some of the very people I warned against putting too much faith in Obama have cursed me, reviled me, broken the posting rules to write diaries dedicated to describing what an awful person I am, etc. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe I’m not as pissed off at Obama as you and some of your fellow travelers are because I never let myself get drunk on his suave voice and stupid promises?
But I did need somebody rational to talk to about this election, since Stein clearly wasn’t ready to serve as President but Obama was the crappiest Democrat in, like forever. I didn’t get it though. Instead I got hyperbole and scorn. Toward the end, your crowd would just talk among yourselves on threads about any topic about how loathsome and despicable anybody who would even consider voting for Obama is. You were disrespectful and arrogant, pretending to be oh so superior to everybody who didn’t reflexively agree with you. You didn’t want a debate, you wanted sycophantic agreement and didn’t see the irony in accusing ME of being incapable of independent thought. (The “you” isn’t directed at HFC alone but all of the people who tried to coerce my vote instead of just lending a different perspective.) I voted for Obama in the end, primarily because you demanded that I don’t. There were other reasons but that one put me over the cliff so to speak.
But now the election’s over, like a 12 stepper, you’re ready to apologize to those who you intentionally baited and antagonized? I’m not ready to accept it just yet. It’s still too close and too many imprecations about me and my ability to think for myself have been made. I’ve been accused of genocide too much, been reviled as an enabler of the system and so forth far too much to so easily dismiss it. The best I can do is say that someday I may forgive you guys. But I’ll never forget it.
Thanks for the post
You say “well written” but you’re still hurling names around and accusing people who don’t agree with you as being “low information”?? One thing about many in the anti-Obama crowd is they don’t get irony. At all.
Margaret, I will try to be as kind as possible in my response. Unlike the person to whom I actually did apologize, I do not feel as if I owe you any apologies. I do not recall engaging with you about Obama or Stein; you are welcome to scour the site and find something that I may have forgotten I said, or that you wrongly interpreted as being directed at you. But my policy here at FDL has been to try to avoid engaging with you and “your side” (your characterization, not mine) at all costs. Nothing good ever comes of it.
If any of the rest of “our side” would like to address Margaret’s grievances here, I hope you will do so in as kind and constructive a manner as possible.
Did you miss the sentence in which I pointed out that by “you” I was addressing the people who were unkind to me and others and not just you? I just don’t find a lot of sincerity in any of this. I have been kind. I’ve been rational. I’ve avoided calling people names and going off on them without having first been treated like shit. Anybody can address my comments in any manner they wish because I stand by them. I’ve descried how I feel but apparently that’s not welcome either. Oh well. I guess trying to engage in rational conversation is still a fool’s errand with some people. Please feel free to eviscerate me if it makes you feel better as I shan’t be around to witness it.
Well stated in parts but a bit harsh.
I think you take the echo chamber far too seriously. It behaved exactly as it has in ever election since 2004, depending on the blog. I mean the ideology and candidate support may be different, but the reflexive mindlessness and bullying by the self-righteous true believers of anyone who has the temerity to whisper in their ears”psst…hey empress, yur nekkid” is always a marvel to behold in its conformist contours taking shape.
and BTW, I agree with you for the most part. Except for the glaringly bad record on civil rights, Obama’s pretty much did we said he would do, by and large. I mean, there’s never been nor ever will be a President who lives up to most not to mention all his promises. When that day comes it will be because we have become totalitarian for reals,not just in the fevered imaginations of th etrue believers.
I wasn’t at this blog in 2008, so maybe you’all were thinking Obama was some progressive deity back then who would snap his fingers and Congress not to mention the whole width and breadth of the federal bureacracy would simply roll over and let him scratch their bellies.
I was at Political Flesh Feast and the anti-obamaism there was very common pre-election, because Obama never came off as a progressive to us. He was into a Lincoln-style triangulation, promising compromise, centrist policies. It was clear. Where he made his mistake was following that path too earnestly after it was obvious the GOP was operating in purely bad faith and obstructing everything.
This is where progressives needed to step up but of course didn’t Far better to pretend Obama is the devil. The GOP paid no price and were rewarded handsomely at the midterms, making it virtually impossible for anything even resembling centrism to pass.
This is the responsibility of the electorate as much or more than Obama. The give up and the vituperation is something special. The quick turn towards the Green party, a non-starter already proven thrice over is…priceless.
Now, we see the GOP paid a heavy price in 2012, but it wasn’t exacted by the third party progressives…it was the minourities in the party, progressives mostly, it was women, gays, younger voters who backed the GOP down. They kicked tea party ass, not the timid third party keyboard warriours, the few, th eproud the .33%
These constituencies had enough to gain and lose in reality to not throw their votes away on a fantasy. And now, they will gain, while we will watch the third party progressives gear up for yet another cycle of irrelevancy filled with indignation, spite, hatred and self-righteousness.
Get ready. It’ll ebb for awhile then build like a wave that will crash on the same beach in 4 more years.
Sad to say. It’s over for the boomers, including me. Thee’s a new game out there. Obama figured it out because he’s part of it.
Jaango’s part of it. I figured it out because I’m part of it (through marriage and career).
It’s not a white person’s world any longer. That delusion cannot endure. The white middle class GOP will have to figure it out…but so will the white middle class third party (fourth party if we’re being truly honest) progressives.
carol made an excellent start. We shall see. Obama now has validation and the GOP on their heels. We’ll see. I’m not an Obama fan as much as I am a fan of the rainbow coloured wave that’s building gloriously and still has a long time coming.
For those who refuse to ride with that wave and work with it, its going to be a long time gone.
Drowned,most likely and washed out to sea.
I did see that you were talking to others and not just me. But honestly, Margaret, I am not your enemy. I have never “eviscerated” you or called you names; I really can’t remember more than a handful of times I have ever engaged with you. The general comments I made in diaries here at FDL may have made you feel bad; some of the stuff I read here from “you guys” makes me feel bad too. But I don’t take it personally. You can question my sincerity all you want; I might question why you only ever comment on my diaries when there is some sort of controversy or opportunity to discuss some slight that really has nothing to do with me or the things I usually write about.
FWIW, I respect your decision to vote for Obama. No one has been more caustic than I about him. I stayed home — and didn’t feel proud at all. As my wife and daughter marched off to vote in silence, I just sat alone.
So … Who was right? Maybe both?
I was going to stay home, too, but in the end I voted. I wrote in Rocky Anderson in the presidential space. I voted reluctantly for Joe Donnelly (a flaming DINO whom everyone is cheering about here for picking up a Dem seat) and I voted reluctantly for the Dem candidate (pro life, pro gun, a Blue Dog wannabe) because the alternative, who won, is worse. I left some slots blank.
Since Indiana is so red, it probably didn’t make much difference, but I’m nearly 70 and just couldn’t stay home on a national election day.
To clarify, FWIW, I voted for the HOUSE Dem candidate, and by “here” I mean on the Democratic side of the aisle, not FDL.
And what else is there to do in Indiana? I kid, I kid.
Here’s what I learned liveblogging Occupy general assemblies a year ago. Party identity, left and right, political philosophy are used by the 1% to divide people. The revolution happens when they are brought together and talk beyond talking points and concepts and theories but about the concrete future of their very own particular community. Respect and kindness, attentiveness, and practical focus move things forward; attempts to co-opt or proselytize or manipulate or divide move things backward. Folks stampeding the herd for a campaign want you to forget all that, think that the election is the be-all and end-all of human history and that to vote the wrong way is the supreme moral failing. It’s not just the fact that progressives need to have some unity; the entire 99% needs to have some unity regardless of ideology.
It is very human to get emotionally sucked into the reductive thinking of campaigns; it’s what Jane Hamsher referred to as the silly season.
It is my hope that this Thanksgiving there is a miracle. That for the first time in almost two decades (since 1994) families can have a Thanksgiving meal with relatives without it becoming a political take-no-prisoners war. Just think how that one event would transform politics.
Thanks for this diary. Rec’d. BTW, your spin on hope made me think of Hermann Hesse’s Journey to the East and the search for the Princess Fatima.
Great stuff, THD.
That’s a really great thing to hope for, THD. I think Occupy Sandy would be an ideal conversation starter at most any Thanksgiving table. It’s got elements that are attractive to just about any political persuasion and it’s a great thing to be thankful for. For those of you with a Facebook account, I highly recommend following the Occupy Sandy page; it’s pretty awesome to see what all these people are planning and accomplishing. These are skills that were learned at those GAs THD is talking about, at least in some part, and they sure have turned out to be useful. Edited to add the FB link: https://www.facebook.com/OccupySandyReliefNyc
Thanks for this post, HFC. What most moved me about this election was seeing how hard the Repubs tried to stop people from voting and how wonderful the voters were for standing up…..even if the lines lasted for hours!
I’m thrilled, thrilled I tell you, at the Democratic women who will enter the Senate! I hope they will continue to fight for their place at OUR table.
I was pleased to tell my 95 year old father that white women voted for Obama even tho he might not be their best choice because Romney was just too frightening to contemplate.
I’m proud that Montana, which went for Romney, elected another Democratic governor and is sending Jon Tester back to the Senate. Go Montana!!!
I’m proud that Sherrod Brown put the skids to the skeevy little Mandel kid who would be so detrimental to Ohio.
Obama might not be my choice, and I don’t think he did a damned thing for the downticket Dems, but he’s what we’ve got….. and now we’ve got some better Dems in congress.
And, thanks!, I will try to be kinder. It matters.
Thank you, Dearie. In spite of my cynicism, I am really trying to listen to the good news. If it makes people strong, if it makes them want to fight harder, then it is definitely a win.
It’s really hard to find any entry into your comment, Margaret. But I guess I’ll take a try at it.
Your comments (even though you protest you’re not speaking to HFC (then why offer reams of castigation on her post?) reflect the notion that ‘we guys’ are in some major way Monolithic in either our beliefs or comments and styles. No, ‘We guys’ aren’t.
You say you’re respectful and looking to engage in discussion that may inform you, but instead, you get mega-dissed. Yes, I’ve gotten: ‘If you vote at all, you will be supporting drone killing of innocents in the ME’.
Well, if I don’t subscribe to that point of view, I can fairly well jettison the remark as not useful, or see if it resonates later. The stuff that sticks in my head deserves some further consideration, I’ve learned over time.
I’ve been the object of your anger often enough to not agree with your characterization of your commenting style, though. I’ve looked back at threads on which you’ve even brought tidbits from my former small blogsite, saying: ‘See! This is what wd thinks of us’. All fine spymanship, but…you never even knew the people were speaking about were at dagblog.com, where some of us used to write, not even failing to realize that none of the names were fdl denizens. Meaning: you hold some of the self-same grudges of which you accuse others, then become victim to.
For me, I don’t even usually correct the misapprehensions about myself I see on the boards; it’s most often enough to know they’re not so, and are just a by-product of the same tribalism you accuse ‘us’ of (whoever you mean). In the blogoshere, I’d submit that a few things can helpful: a sense of humor, including at least some self-deprecating humor (we may all be tragi-comic figures being so often at this or other sites); and some ability to not take criticism so much to heart that it leaves lasting scars.
Shit; it’s the blogosphere, Margaret! You’re strong enough to withstand some bullshit, and recognize when you’re casting too wide a net asking for apologies from those who never harmed you, or at least engaged you on that level. And I hope this comment isn’t trashing up hfc’s great post on kindness. ;o)
You have a good point that I should have responded to initially, wendydavis. And that is that my diary is from me, and me only, about my feelings. I do not presume to speak for anyone else, and even if you put a gun to my head, I don’t think I could figure out who constitutes “us guys” that Margaret says she may forgive some day. My diary was not exactly an apology to those I may have offended here, whoever they may be; it was sort of a confessional, and sort of a recognition that, for me, it wouldn’t hurt to take it down a notch and just consider the possibility that most of “you guys” and “us guys” have good intentions. I am not apologizing for my opinions; they haven’t really changed, although as I told Dearie, I am trying harder to listen to what others have to say before I jump to conclusions.
I may be one of the people Margaret has been offended by, though I don’t believe I have been impolite. I simply disagreed with her statement, which has been made several times, that Jill Stein had shown herself not to be ready to be President. I stated when Margaret first said that, that nobody who has not been President looks presidential – Margaret has never elaborated on that statement. And I disagreed, still do, with that claim. To my mind, the convictions of Dr. Stein, her dedication and hard work, and her willingness to stand up for the issues she believes in are her star qualities and she would have made exactly the President we really need at this time.
What makes a person Presidential material anyway? I think it’s having the gumption to run for office in the first place. Dr. Stein showed that and more.
I’m sorry if that hurts Margaret’s feelings. We all care deeply about our convictions, and like hotflashcarol, I still have mine, even as I see the value in her diary.
Dropping back in to read this most excellent post with most excellent comments.
And thinking; “Be Kind Anyway” is a most wonderful thought.
My mantra was ” This too shall pass”. But it’s not working!
I heart thinking minds!
Juliania, speaking for myself only, I will say that you and I have had sharp disagreements but I never felt it personally.
Margaret has a fair point. I think one of the other posters admitted it and really it is a fact of blog life: people who assume the generalised, unofficial zeitgeist of a blog, here it is “anti-Obama third party progressivism” have a tendency to feel self-justified in saying and acting any way they want to those who might question the prevailing general mood of the blog.
This is the essence of conformist, majoritarian, might makes right thinking.
Under this conception the facts, logical thinking, kindness, concern for others feelings only matter to the extent people buy into the zeitgeist.
And some people like Carol, Crane station and you don’t succumb to that thinking. You maintain a certain level of humanity to those with whom you disagree.
Margaret clearly has issues with the way she has been treated. She may have other issues as well. There is a growing body of literature that suggests social media is making people insane. Having blogged extensively since 2004 and putting a lot of effort into being provocative and entertaining as well as infuriating to the blog zeitgeist, I believe this theory to be essentially correct. I resemble that theory.
Thank you, hotflashcarol, for having the courage to look at yourself, and thereby offer the rest of us the opportunity of doing likeWISE. It is a brave and noble thing you have attempted. I recommend it, without any reservation in the least, to all human beings, everywhere, for it is a very timely and most worthwhile thing, this invitation to think and to feel … Bravo! and most well-said.
None of us are “perfect” (which always struck me as rather strange “thing” to want, or seek, to be … being human, compassionate, and kind to ones self and all other living things, as SD always advised us to do, seems and has seemed a much more realistic “goal” … which one might “work” toward, day after day).
By now, I suspect you and others, here, are familiar with my thoughts and prejudice (and behavior), I hope, regarding the essential value of “civility” … to which I add that perhaps our most difficult struggle is not with each other but with ourselves?
Which is not to say that false argument, appeals to fear or to unreasoning emotion, ad hominen assault or character assassination should either be tolerated, excused, or ignored.
If reason cannot be the basis of our collective extrication of all of our selves from madness, destruction, hubris, arrogance, and the worship of money, then, together we shall all come to realize the true meaning of “too late”.
I propose that the world, this planet, and the universe, already belong to the young, and if we cannot find it within ourselves to “change” what has been done to this world, to society, to culture, to humanity, and to life in general, that, we ought, then, and now, at the very least, try to rise to the level of serving as “better” example, that our total “legacy” not be tainted entirely with selfishness and selfish disregard of everyone and everything else.
To all, I offer Southern Dragon’s “word” … a word which is one that I hope we may all make much use of, in future … with honest understanding and full meaning attached,
Namaste
DW
What I believe we all need to remember is that blogging is a form of media and infotainment. And it’s interactive so blogging is simultaneously abstract and personal. I think this is the key to understanding why it can make us crazy. You aren’t truly interacting in a known human way, which includes physical presence, non-verbal communication, body language, touching, and perhaps most important: looking into each others eyes.
On a blog you cannot recreate that relationship. When people try to replicate blogging for real-life interaction we get into trouble. If we were in meat space with Margaret we would say less, listen and mostly empathasize with her because we would know conclusively that she is hurting and instinctively humans reach out to those whom we know are hurting. Here, Margaret is less a person and more an ideological object, she is words on a screen, with a history on this blog, so our reaction is to that not to the real Margaret. And it can’t be any other way unless we know her and are physically close enough to go to her.
Telephone is better because you get the quality the sound of the voice. When people cry on the phone its eccect is profound. When they type I’m wiping away tears on a blog its never the same impact on us.
On blogs all we can do is respond with typd words. Wen someone is really hurting that is seldom an adequate method of response.
And I’m not being critical of anyone. It’s just blogging. The way it is.
I wish that you had voted third party instead of staying home.
Hi, hotflashcarol.
Adorable photo.
Good morning, everybody. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to make such interesting, analytical and thoughtful comments.
I would like to clarify something, since I have slept on it (although I haven’t had enough coffee to be awake yet, so keep that in mind). My comment that this diary “is not exactly an apology to those I may have offended here,” is true but it may not have been the most elegant way to say it. I tried soooo hard to be sincere in this diary and not say something that I didn’t really mean. The thing that I am sorry about that applies to just about anyone who voted for Obama is my implication that I knew what was in your heart when you did so. I made some sweeping generalizations that were not fair and did not serve me or anyone else. I will say that as someone who chose not to vote (after months and months of internal and external debate), I have certainly been the victim of sweeping generalizations and more, which I will go into in a separate comment.
TO MARGARET, IF YOU’RE STILL READING: While I stand by my earlier comments, I would also like to say, in kindness, that I know how you feel. I have been attacked and had my feelings hurt very, very badly online. A few years ago at another blog whose name I shall not mention, I very foolishly flounced out after being offended by some censorship. I said something like “goodbye, you don’t have to ban me.” I had been mostly a lurker and didn’t really “know” anybody. I hadn’t ever written any diaries and had made few comments. Nevertheless, the members of this site spent the next several hours posting comment after comment about me, most of them totally ridiculous since they didn’t know anything about me and really had nothing to go on. I didn’t respond, but it was like a stoning or something. It was crazy scary; I think it probably kept me from commenting or doing a diary anywhere for a long time.
More recently at a Facebook page that serves as sort of a fan page for its leader, someone who is an internet radio personality, I got into a discussion about not voting. I made a joke that could potentially have been misconstrued and I immediately clarified in my next comment. Fearless leader attacked me, called me a cunt, and spent the next TWO DAYS telling people about this utterly imaginary personal email conversation she had supposedly had with me, in which I incited violence and all sorts of other stuff. It was psychotic. On Facebook I use my real name (not that it is any big secret), but she was out there posting all this crazy stuff and there was nothing I could about it. I blocked her and reported it, but it’s not like I could unring that bell. And I assure you I don’t have some other identity where I act any differently than I do here; what I write as HFC is exactly who I am in real life, and I post these diaries on my FB page so people there know it’s me.
As donkeytale says, not being able to see people’s body language or hear the inflection in their voice does make a huge difference. This virtual space allows people to act in ways that they would never act in person and to jump to sometimes totally outrageous conclusions. The fact that I was able to virtually “unfriend” someone I respected in the space of a few seconds is what made me put on the brakes and reconsider.
Unfortunately, the gains that were made were made as part of a deal with the devil. You let me marry, whomever I want, Mr Obama,and I’ll forget all about the people in prison without charges. I’ll forget all about the drones flying overhead and killing a family in Pakistan.
Same with the situation and women’s health issues.
After all, you and me, we’re not in prison, nor do we live in Pakistan.
I seem to remember some sermon about “First they came for, … but I wasn’t …” but that was a long time ago, and certainly old lessons are best forgotten. Especially if those lessons don’t bring us any short term, pragmatic “gain.”
OK. I don’t believe anyone made that bargain with the Devil in quite the way you express. And I think you may be letting yourself off the hook a bit too easily for simply casting one vote.
I voted for Gary Johnson, BTW, so don’t blame me either.
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If you pay your taxes you also pay for the droning of Pakistan and the imprisoning of millions of Americans with or without charges. I’m pretty sure the droned Pakistanis and the Guantanamo prisoners aren’t making such fine distinctions between the Stein voters or the Obama voters, either.