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Here is the liveblog from various reporters in the vicinity and here is live video from KCAL/CBS in LA.
Conflicting reports say that Christopher Dorner may have been involved in a home invasion in which he tied up a couple, one escaped and was able to call police; other versions have him being confronted by Fish and Game officers as he was driving a white pickup truck and/or a silver van. Two deputies have been confirmed wounded and there has been mention of a third person who was shot but I don’t know if that is confirmed.
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The CBS reporter is saying Dorner is holed up in a cabin. There are reports of smoke as if they may be using smoke grenades or flash bangs.
CBS just played audio from around 1:30 PST of a gun battle that lasted at least a minute. It sounded like dozens of shots were fired.
Rec’d, and thanks, hotflashcarol. Hope they front page this so folks can follow along.
Not much new info from the 3 PM LAPD press conference, because everything is happening in San Bernardino County. And of course, they aren’t going to say much until it’s over. Dorner is in the cabin, police are evacuating the area, once that is done, SWAT teams will go in. Two deputies were airlifted to hospitals; their conditions are unknown. LAPD asked Dorner to surrender and continues to talk about the possibility of taking him in with no further bloodshed. That’s about all there is left to this story – will Dorner surrender and/or will the cops really attempt to take him alive.
The CBS reporter said that on her way up the mountain, she saw people holding signs that said “Don’t Kill Dorner.”
oh oh
Looks like someone shut off the livestream now too, just after the announcers said police said “stop tweeting people” Social media reports hindering the effort to take Dorner into custody
now they are back
The TV that you linked to just went dead.
The LAPD asked all news people not to show footage of what was happening or what vehicles were going up the mountain.
OK. They’re back now. And they were showing a military vehicle and an ambulance with lights flashing.
Seems like they’re not honoring LAPD’s request.
The CBS stream is back up. I’ve seen a lot of references to how the media is getting in the cops’ way.
Also just saw that “sources” are saying that one of the deputies who was shot has died from his injuries.
The exceptionally annoying female anchor just said “there is so much we can’t report on right now” so they are honoring at least some of the LAPD request.
She is annoying, isn’t she?
They all get pretty annoying when they have dead air to fill and they just babble and speculate and talk out of their asses. But she’s bad even by those standards.
And speaking of annoying, the ladies who were “accidentally shot” by the cops will be getting a brand new truck. And, if their attorney is any good, a few hundred grand from the City of Los Angeles. Because it wasn’t an accident; pretty sure all those cops meant to shoot. (Edited to add that I was annoyed by that language, in case that wasn’t apparent!)
Good for the women!
The very most appropriate thing that could happen is all the bad cops get fired. Now.
Yes, good for them but I hope they can’t be bought off so easily. Those cops need to be criminally charged.
Yes, that’s what Dorner started this for. Unfortunately, it doesn’t appear that will happen.
My heart goes out to the guy. All he started out looking for was justice.
there’s just no way killing people is justified tho
I think it is probably too early to assume that the cops who shot at the women and the other guy won’t be charged or at least disciplined. They will need scapegoats, so probably some low-level officers will be blamed.
Why don’t these people who are so angry go after the people who made them angry? Instead they go after strangers who had nothing to do with the original event. I frankly have no patience with that. I think the LA police will not let this guy live.
You’re probably right. If for no other reason, then because a trial might air too much of the LAPD’s dirty laundry.
Well, the cabin is now completely engulfed in flames, according to the livestream.
That is my fear too, EDP…! 8-(
CNN and the live blog (not the video) are saying that SWAT has entered the cabin. Not sure if that is true, now that the cabin is on fire.
I wonder how they’re going to keep the fire from spreading to the surrounding neighborhood and forest.
Now people on twitter are saying that is ammo burning and not the cabin. Does that make sense?
Fire trucks have arrived, but SWAT officers holding the fire trucks back for now.
The CBS reporter who is closest just said again that the building is totally engulfed. And they were speculating that the gunfire they heard may have been Dorner killing himself.
Prolly bc of the exploding bullets.
Not too many people use more than one shot.
Saying he may have escaped.
I hope they do get a new truck and financial compensation for the horrifying, unprovoked attack they lived through. What they should get is the head of the maniac who shot them on a platter.
Right. I meant one gunshot.
Fire may have been dormer diversion to escape, one said.
It would have to be a really big platter because it turns out it was at least seven maniacs who shot at that truck.
The on scene CBS reporter who recorded the gunfight and has been observing and reporting what he’s seeing and hearing said that he heard a single gunshot from the house just after the teargas was fired and the speculation is that Dorner killed himself.
The fire is being allowed to burn the structure to the ground.
From the live blog:
Seven! I didn’t realize that, so underreported has the story been. But seven heads work fine for me, too.
Here is a Reddit thread with comments from police scanners.
BTW, SPOILERS
Doesnt’ this sound a bit like the end of Skyfall? Better check for tunnels out of the cabin!
Here’s that story.
Thank you for that, hotflashcarol. I’ll bet I can predict the decision Chief Beck will arrive at regarding the officers’ culpability…
he should have surrendered when he had those hostages.
The very most appropriate thing that could happen is all the bad cops get fired. Now.
That would be appropriate, but what will happen, and as Dorner discovered — the bad cops will get promoted.
#Dorner on twitter is pretty interesting. One of my favorites:
Yes, unfortunately, that’s about what we can expect.
Ahhh, I should get promoted for listening to these bozos on CBS making excuses for the cops trying to shut down twitter and other social media. Time to take a break . . .
*heh* Already seeing it on CNN…! ;-)
He can’t be all bad, he scared the crap out of the cops.
‘Update: LAPD says Dorner is dead, KTLA TV reports‘
‘UPDATED 7:07: An AP source says a charred body was found in the rubble of a burned cabin in the Southern California mountains.’
Hope they know whose body it is. Hard to trust much they say.
From ABC News:
Dorner’s suicide is hardly a surprise. Adolf Hitler also had malignant narcissism personality disorder and he committed suicide once his failure was obvious and his enemies were closing in on him.
This is so bizarre. There are several MSM stories that say a body has been found (or maybe they originally said that and now have been updated). I just watched a few minutes of the 11 PM news and LAPD says the cabin has yet to be searched because it is still smoldering. So somebody is lying.
Just watched a video from local (San Bernardino) in which you can hear cops yelling “burn him out” before the fire started, female anchor sying \olice are understandably upset”. The video has been posted to youtube. They never intended to let this guy make it to trial. No suprise there
“The account of the capture wasn’t in the paper
But you know they hung old Smack right there
Instead of later
The people were quite pleased
That the outlaw had been seized
And on the whole it was a very good year
For the undertaker”
- Carole King
Ay, it makes-a me crazee! MSNBC says that they’ve ‘found remains’ and they’ll try to identify it ‘through forensic means;. (I hate cop-speak that aims to sound smart…but sounds stilted and stupid.)
One of the differences in the reports is if Suspect X was killed in a shootout, or ‘a single shot was heard’, yada, yada. Did you say the cops held back the fire engines? Hoo, doggies, that’s creepy-bad, if so.
Lots of passive voice on the fire: it started itself, I guess. Why the hell would Dorner (if it’s indeed he) start one?
Lord luv a duck. From the LA Times:
A friend just emailed me this KCAL video. Cops? ‘Burn it down! Or: ‘burn this mother fuck—!’.
Reporter Carter with LA CBS News last night said he could see what was happening and hear some things. Heard what sounded to him like a megaphone. Then tear gas canisters going off, then saw the flames and the WALLS burning. Saw the roof come down. He also heard one shot – I don’t remember if it was before the fire or not. He also heard ammo exploding during the fire.
The SWAT team definitely kept the fire engines from putting out the fire. They said it was too dangerous with the exploding ammo and an armed and dangerous man.
There was also something on twitter from people who said they got it from police scanners that Dorner tried going out the back and was pushed back in.
Twitter also had the accounts they said they got from police scanners to the effect of “Start the Burn”.
The immediate stories last night of them finding a body weren’t credible to me as I would think the fire and remains of fire would have still been too hot to go in when they were already claiming to have located his body.
Why does this whole thing remind me of the “killing of Osama bin Laden”?
Well, if they throw the “body” in Big Bear Lake, we’ll know something fishy is going on.
Davey D also ain’t buyin’ what LAPD is sellin’ . . .
I am not sure any of that squares with what the CBS reporter (Carter) was saying; he seems the most credible since he was right there and could actually see what was going on and he was talking about how the walls were crumbling from the fire. In any case, I don’t know how they’re going to spin that video of the cops saying burn it down. I also wonder if the fire will obliterate any means of confirming if Dorner was shot before he died in the fire. I’m sure a medical examiner could have determined if he shot himself or was shot by someone else, but after the fire, who knows. I suppose it would be possible to tell if they added a bullet hole to the burned corpse after the fact. Point being, did they burn him alive or not?
OMG, shades of 9/11. They have found Dorner’s driver’s license; somehow it survived the fire, just like the hijacker passport that floated down to the street from the burning airplane. Massive eyeroll . . .
Apparently the discovery of a charred body is “official” now so they can stop lying about not having found it yet.
I guess we can assume it was the cops who yelled it? Dunno who else may have been that close. Here’s the CBS story this a.m. with Carter’s video.
Autopsy and killed by bullet (whose?) v. death by smoke inhalation would depend if lung tissue could be examined still, and if there were smoke residue in them…or not, I reckon. Post mortem, post fire bullet holes would be distinctive.
“The cabin caught fire after police tossed smoke devices inside, a law enforcement source told CNN.”
Again, passive voice, no causality stated, no LEO identified. A circus of info, mis-info…cripes.
Oh, I’m so very glad they’ve found the license. Did you hear that or read it? Is there a link? My eyeballs are rolling uncontrollably on their own. Nothing I can do will stop them.
It’s from the AP:
Had to be the cops; they weren’t letting anyone else anywhere near the cabin. And lo and behold, the cabin apparently spontaneously combusted.
Another thing that’s been nagging away at me for a while is the police finding Dorner’s burned truck. I’ve been wondering why the truck would have been burned. If Dorner did it, wouldn’t he have made sure first that it was unidentifiable. Otherwise, why should he burn the truck instead of just abandoning it?
The axle on the truck was broken so he had to abandon it. There was a lot of speculation that he burned it to create a big distraction while he escaped down the mountain. But he didn’t actually go very far. Or maybe he did it to destroy evidence but that is just speculation. I don’t know why the cops would have burned it.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/dorner-495544-search-riverside.html
2 wallets
VIN numbers don’t burn, iirc.
But the two authors of the new Black Panthers books I used on my Radical Black History Month post are up at Counterpunch with: The Execution of Christopher Dorner. So far, of interest is the self-kettling of all media, *and* the fact that the true versions are coming out via folks who monitored law enforcement radio frequencies, the irony of it all unfolding during Obomba’s SOTU bullshit, that lots of interviewees were more afraid of the cops than Dorner, and more.
The ‘burn plan’ including the offishull media narrative, yada yada, then:
I see that those two paragraphs are from that same article but I haven’t read the entire article yet. Do they acknowledge in that article that his wallet and ID have now been found twice?
“The self-kettling of the media” – yes, indeed. The female anchor on CBS/KCAL could not stop reminding us of how important it was for members of the media to restrain themselves. They sounded as if they were LAPD’s PR department.
Unless they had a sniper who shot Dorner and confirmed that he was dead somehow, they were apparently OK with burning him alive. I wonder how he really died and whether we will get anything approaching the truth from the medical examiner.
Meant to acknowledge this earlier. How very appropriate.
No, it looks like they’re just stacking 1 day’s report on top of the previous on that website.
Much less complicated than doing actual journalism, right?
wendydavis, I read the link to counterpunch. And I believe it was an execution.
I would expect that he would have shot and killed himself rather than being burned alive.
Will now go read the Counterpunch article. Thanks for the link.
It’s rooted in the same obsequiousness to authority that causes so many to be bereft of a meaningful inner life, imo. You don’t always have to hit with sticks, hands or belts to drive obedience lessons home.
But we can only hope that the LAPD can’t hand pick an ME, that that whoever does the autopsy determines both *manner* and cause of death, is a straight player.
It’s certainly a good point, greenwarrior. I like what the authors do in characterizing Dorner as well. Almost pitch perfect from where I sit.
Two sections from the Counterpunch article struck me:
The only thing I find “post-racial” about Obama’s America is that Obama himself is “post-racial”, in the sense that he’s either forgotten or never known what it’s like to be a black man (or woman or child) at the mercy of Americans with legal guns.
The other is the last sentence:
This one is self-explanatory. And chilling.
And yet, look at the reactions to metamars having posted two paragraphs from the same article. I know folks here don’t care for his posts much (nor do I), but whoosh, the characterizations are strange.
‘Post-racial’ is a con for continuing the status quo, of course, and more self-kettling, not even asking for more, much less demanding it.
Yes, the reactions to metamar’s diary are dismaying. While you were writing this comment here, I was repeating my @79 from here over there and noting that folks seemed to be criticizing metamars without necessarily reading the Counterpunch article. Feh!
It’s always interesting to me to see how the same subject (Dorner and the counterpunch article) can receive completely different comments from different people, depending on who wrote the diary.
Report from Max Blumenthal who said he listened to the police scanner in realtime.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-law-enforcement-and-media-covered-plan-burn-christopher-dorner-alive?paging=off
When the media stopped showing live shots of the cabin and the surrounding police, I stopped watching. Did media *really* say the police did not start the fire? Who would believe such tripe?
Live last night the media were wondering if the police started the fire or if Dorner did.
Because, of course, Dorner would want to burn himself alive. /s
If I have some time, I have a few thoughts for that thread; glad ya commented.
@ ysd: the media used passive voice, as in: after X, the fire started, la la la.
Plenty of tripe believers: it’s now the national religion. ;D