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UPDATED: Photos of Burned Out Dorner Cabin Provoke More Questions Than Answers

12:31 am in Uncategorized by hotflashcarol

UPDATE: Dorner’s body has been positively identified. Sources also acknowledge that highly flammable “hot gas” canisters were used, which caused the cabin to catch fire. So it was the canisters, not the cops, that set the fire. They’re still saying that the fire was not set deliberately, although I don’t know how they are able to determine the intention of each of the individual canisters. Perhaps they were acting in unison, or perhaps there was a rogue canister who chose to set the fire.

San Bernardino County sheriff’s officials have positively identified the charred remains found in a mountain cabin Tuesday as being the body of Christopher Dorner.

Officials said they made the identification using dental records during the autopsy.

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SWAT officers in the cabin standoff decided to use highly flammable “hot gas” canisters as a last resort after other efforts to persuade Dorner to surrender failed, according to law enforcement sources.

Officers made the decision to use the canisters, which caused the cabin to catch fire, as the sun was setting Tuesday and authorities worried about dealing with Dorner at night in the remote Big Bear area, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. Dorner had continued to fire on officers, and they feared more deputies would be hurt or killed, they added.

 

As has been discussed fairly extensively in two different diaries about fugitive Christopher Dorner here at FDL, many people are questioning whether the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department set fire to a cabin intentionally and/or allowed it to burn to the ground with a man presumed to be Dorner—but as of yet unidentified—inside.

In spite of scanner audio that seems to make the opposite case, police insist they did not set the fire intentionally and they have not acknowledged that the fire was caused by the “burners” that they shot into the cabin. Their story is as follows:

A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin where he’d taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake’s truck in the San Bernardino Mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles.

A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff’s deputy was killed and another wounded. After the firefight ended, a SWAT team using an armored vehicle broke out the cabin’s windows and began knocking down walls. A fire started, and later, charred remains believed to be Dorner’s were found.

San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday the fire was not set on purpose.

“We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out,” he said.

His deputies lobbed pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, and it erupted in flames, he said. McMahon did not say directly that the tear gas started the blaze, and the cause of the fire was under investigation.

Now there are photos of the burned out cabin. Click through these with that official statement above in mind. You may ask yourself (in David Byrne’s voice if it helps):

Does it look like they used armored vehicles to knock down the walls? Wouldn’t there be tire tracks or treads in the snow approaching all, or at least some, sides of the cabin?

Even though everything is pretty much obliterated, doesn’t it seem like there would be evidence that the walls had been pushed in? Perhaps larger piles of ash in the interior rooms or something?

In the first photo, what looks like a redwood fence at the upper left is still partially intact. I am just trying to imagine them knocking down walls and driving an armored vehicle around and still leaving so many things upright.

Given that tear gas is known to cause fires, it only makes sense that they would have had fire equipment standing by and yet it is very, very clear that they made no attempt whatsoever to put the fire out. That makes their statement that they didn’t start the fire in order to flush Dorner out (or burn him alive) pretty hard to swallow.

Please contribute your own questions (or potential answers) to this post. It appears that so far, the MSM is content to just publish these photos without engaging in any sort of critical thought.

Three innocent people shot at by cops (so far) in LAPD manhunt; suspect still at large

5:51 pm in Uncategorized by hotflashcarol

This story continues to unfold so quickly that it’s impossible to put up a diary that remains accurate for any length of time. Instead, this is going to be a summary of the story so far and then some links.

LAPD Cruiser in Motion

The LAPD is on a violent hunt for one of their own.

A massive manhunt is taking place in Southern California for a former Los Angeles cop and decorated Navy veteran suspected of multiple homicides over the past few days, including the killing of at least one police officer.  Christopher Jordan Dorner was fired from the LAPD in 2009 for giving false statements. Yesterday, Dorner posted a very long and rambling manifesto on Facebook in which he says that LAPD has not changed from the days of Rodney King and Mark Fuhrman. Dorner contends he was fired because he reported another cop for using excessive force. Dorner also relates other incidents of white cops using the “N” word in his presence and mistreating minorities. The manifesto also mentions at least 40 cops by name and threatens “unconventional and assymetrical warfare against police.”

While it’s quite clear that the police have legitimate reason to be worried for their own safety, they have already shown themselves to be reckless cowards. Two Asian Latino women delivering newspapers were shot by Torrance undercover Los Angeles police this morning simply because they were in a Nissan truck similar to that Dorner may have been driving. Please check out this photo of that truck and keep in mind that Dorner is a 6’4″ black male. There’s no way the cops could have made any sort of visual identification of the people in this truck and mistaken either of them for Dorner. And wouldn’t a second person in the truck, who might have been a hostage, preclude them from using deadly force? Shouldn’t the fact that the license plate was not Dorner’s have kept them from emptying their guns into the back window of this truck? Or maybe the fact that the truck was the wrong color and model? Somehow, the two women escaped death; one was shot in the back twice and is expected to recover and the other was shot in the hand was injured by broken glass. A second shooting, which involved Torrance police firing at a vehicle which also turned out not to be Dorner’s, miraculously did not cause any injuries.

Perhaps innocent people driving Nissan pickups are a little safer now that Dorner’s burning truck apparently has been found in the forest near Big Bear, where schools have been on lockdown all day.

There is so much more to this story, not the least of which is whatever truth may be found in Dorner’s manifesto. Something has caused this man to snap and turn on the very police force that trained him to kill…and to hate.

This is a live blog on the manhunt; I can’t vouch for the people posting, but many of the links have been quite accurate and helpful.

I’ll try to post new information in comments as it becomes available.

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