An open admission by NPR that American Exceptionalism precludes the capacity for the U.S. to torture.
Transcribed from a July 7th Radio Broadcast segment by KUOW Seattle, available here (at about the 20:11 mark, and thanks to Glenn Greenwald for the heads up):
Guy Nelson (KUOW Seattle’s "The Conversation"):
"What about then when NPR describes techniqed used in foreign countries? For example, there was a recent news report about a, I believe he was reporter in some African country, who was detained and tortured by people there. So are the standards the same when describing torture done by Americans, or by other despots?"
Alicia Shepherd (NPR Ombudsman):
"Okay, well um, I imagined you would bring that up. There was a piece on "Tell Me More," an NPR produced show, with Michelle Martin the other day, and it was an interview with a journalist from Gambia who had been put in prison and tortured, and the word ‘torture’ was used. In that case, um, he was, these were strictly tactics to torture him; to punish him. Uh, verses in the United States these are tactics used to get information. The Gambian Journalist was in jail for his beliefs."
emphasis added
When "we" torture it’s for emergent and vital reasons, but when "they" torture it’s out of pure brutality and sadism. The veracity of even the characteristics ascribed to "we" are empirically false. We don’t torture just to extract information:
- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Waterboarded 183 Times in One Month
- Major Charles Burney Confirms Torture Was Carried Out to Get False Iraq-al Qaeda Link
- Senate Armed Services Committee Report: Inquiry into the Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody (warning, huge PDF)
Beyond the intellectually and factually bankrupt idea that we only torture for information gathering, or whatever other purpose deemed necessary; is it not the case that virtually every act of brutality and torture, institutionalized or otherwise, has also been predicated on claims of necessity, or minimized through banality? Which regime in modern history of even the most despicable and brutal nature just comes out and says, "Sure torturing these people is completely unnecessary, but where would be the fun in stopping?"
Even in the case of Saidykhan (the Gambian journalist) and others, the government of Gambia upholds the dire necessity to detain and harshly interrogate dissidents due to the grave threat to government security brought about by traitors and agitators.
This position taken by NPR is not only ridiculous, but is also destructive. Built in to this mindset is the deep integration of the idea that torture is not defined by the action; only by the motive. The argument taken up by NPR can be, and historically has been, used as a means to justify grave human rights abuses, and to skirt accountability; because after all it’s okay to slice someone’s genitals, so long as all you’re trying to do is get information out of them. According to the editorial staff of NPR, it’s not torture when detainees are brutalized, humiliated, or literally harshly interrogated to death. Why? Because we’re the ones doing it to them, and our motives are, if not good and pure, at least critically necessary and justified. Not like those barbaric Gambians.
I have spent the better part of a decade supporting NPR and my local affiliates through contributions. That officially ended yesterday, and I sincerely hope that others will place the same pressure in an effort to prevent our public broadcasting from becoming just another PR agency for government prerogatives and obfuscation.
My National Public Radio Boycott begins.
Cross-posted at Open Salon



13 Comments




Shepherd’s blunt admission is breathtaking in the level of evil and exceptionalism. Glenn Greenwald has now backed her into a corner from which there is no escape. I expect her to quietly resign to “spend more time with her family” in about two months.
Unless their editorial policy changes it really doesn’t make any difference to me if Alicia Shepherd, in particular, stays in NPR’s employ.
I have to agree that I can hardly believe she leveled her argument in those terms. Liberal media my ass.
One additional, pedantic point. Per the UN Convention Against Torture, which is a Senate-ratified treaty and thus “supreme law of the land” by Article VI:
Emphasis mine.
These people would have no problem calling it “torture” and prosecuting the perps, if these things were done to an animal.
It’s incredible and shameful that NPR has come to this pass.
Thanks wigwam,
I was aware of that verbiage, and I was rather shocked that neither the host, nor Glenn brought it up, though in light of the standards of meeting concision it’s understandable how it may have been overlooked.
NPR Ombudsman Alicia Shepherd has it exactly backward.
She says that:
But UNCAT says that:
So, per UNCAT, what the United States does to “get information” IS torture, while the pain and suffering arising from lawful punishment administered by the Gambians IS NOT.
Sadly, I am not surprised at NPR’s shameful position nor Shepherd’s weasel words. I’ve been a listener and (former) contributor for about 35 years. At one time I believed that NPR was the absolute best source of unbiased news and I liked the fact that not only did they report things in more depth than the commercial news programs, they would also report things that challenged my beliefs and educated me on positions other than my own.
That all changed when Gingrich, Norquist, Reed, et al. started their campaign against America and democracy and started bleating “liberal bias” every 5 minutes and the more egregious right-wing nut jobs began to try to defund NPR. As NPR was forced to go to more corporate sponsors and had more right-wingers padded into their BoD, it became a caricature of its old self.
Since the Bush junta years every news report features 3 republicans for every 1 democrat. The democrat is usually quoted briefly by the reporter and then the republicans are given free reign at the microphone. And then there’s the issue of Mara Liason and Juan Williams and their relationship to Fox News. They’ve certainly introduced the Fox style to NPR and a once great news service is a joke and an embarrassment. I just stopped contributing though I still listen because where I live the only alternatives are Limbaugh, O’Reilly, and their ilk. No Air America here in Republican land! Sigh.
Thanks for posting this!
Indeed, one of the worst parts about this is that she’s the ombudsman. That she would take up the government euphemisms as a statement of fact to describe what is factually torture by every definition except the U.S. government’s (and only when it’s describing its own actions) is despicable in the extreme.
It is literally a statement to any listener that NPR is an unambiguous mouthpiece for government talking-points and obfuscating nomenclature.
Everyone of you should ask yourselves how soon you want a mushroom cloud in your neighborhood.
With no torture you will have it sooner.
With torture you will have it later.
Don’t you see, the toture issue all comes down to the mushroom cloud.
If you are young enough you’ll see time prove me correct.
Torture me, and you’ll have it sooner.
I’ve been warned about that mushroom cloud being immanent for sixty plus years now. Promises, promises.
Finally! My real name!