I’m not trying to be too alarming but we don’t have much time to get repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell passed in the defense authorization bill. Things are looking very bleak for passage of the defense authorization bill, at least for this year. And who knows how many seats we’ll have next year? People have been sold a whole bunch of lies on this repeal bill, starting from the fact that it’s not repeal itself – it just allows repeal to happen if certain conditions are met and then three people sign off on it. Yet, we’ve heard the loud pronouncements that "DADT is dead" on certain leftist political blogs.
A lot of us don’t even like this bill, but this is the bill and I’ll be damned if I let Reid and others push it aside until after December during the lame duck session, Democrats have promised not to pass any major legislation.
Some of us have worked really hard to push back on this meme that DADT is finished, because we knew that we’d lack the help we need as the minutes wind down and the time slips away to repeal DADT. And look what’s happening. We have maybe two legislative weeks to get this done and it’s not even on the schedule yet. We need help here. DADT is not dead and we need to get Majority Leader Reid to agree to take up the bill before the break.
The Advocate says:
Now all eyes must turn to the Senate, which returns to Washington next week. Senators will have a short window to pass the National Defense Authorization Act, which contains the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal measure already passed by the House. If the Senate passes the bill in September, “don’t ask, don’t tell” will fade into history shortly thereafter. If not, then we’re looking at a long road ahead.
Yet Senate majority leader Harry Reid still has not scheduled a floor vote on the act, and his spokesman has tepidly stated to The Advocate’s Kerry Eleveld that a vote is “on the list of things we would like to do in the next few weeks.” A failure to vote on the bill prior to October 8 would push it into the post-midterms lame-duck period; in that case its chances of passage would drop to “50-50,” according to one of Eleveld’s sources.
The New York Times goes into more detail, and it’s very distressing:
Further, while groups that support a ban are now ratcheting up pressure on members of the Senate to vote on a measure ending the policy, there is a slim chance that the bill will make it to the floor before Congress heads home next month to campaign for the midterm elections.
The Senate has considerable other business to take up over a short period of time, largely bills pertaining to taxes and the economy. Quick enactment of this policy change, which would be made through an amendment to a larger Pentagon authorization bill, seems unlikely, especially given widespread opposition among conservatives.
There is also the political reality that Democrats in competitive states and districts are unlikely to want to engage in a fight over an issue of social policy and risk further energizing conservative voters just seven weeks before Election Day.
I guess Republicans’ newly discovered tolerance of gay people was short lived. They are still objecting to a defense authorization bill which contains a "controversial" amendment that 75% of Americans support. The other day when people were praising them, some of us tried to give a warning. But alas. . . .
This could mean the end of repeal prospects for an indeterminate amount of time. Maybe until the courts solve the issue. So if I sound like my hair’s on fire, you know why. Reid’s spokesman drove the nail deeper into the coffin for its prospects for passing when he said that we need some Republican cooperation. Yeah? Who’re we gonna find? I think last time the only Republican who voted to add it to the bill was Collins. So, we probably need to start asking her if she can work with Democrats to get this bill passed.
Politico says the Senate’s chances for taking up the bill are declining:
“WILL THEY OR WON’T THEY? — The chances that the Senate will take up the National Defense Authorization Act before the next recess are declining by the minute; ‘contingency planning’ is now the operative phrase. Defense industry and lobbying sources are scrambling to prepare for any number of possible courses of action that are dependent on congressional leadership, and, to some extent, election poll results.”
If we are going to depend on election results, the whole thing is terminally fucked. We’ve seen how the Democrats already think it’s 1994 all over again and if they just act as conservative as possible it will minimize losses. After their Massive Defeat (!!!) (a loss of probably just a few seats) in November, it will be impossible to even mention passing something to the timid Majority Leader Reid without watching him scramble for cover.
This has to get passed before October.
And remember, Reid says every bill takes up about seven days, so they need to start the second they get back in session. We need to demand this. If you think things are bad now, just watch how bad it will get if DADT is dropped right before the election, and the Obama administration announces that it is going to appeal the DOMA case AND the DADT case, all within two weeks of the election, around the time that the sixty day window for an appeal will lapse. This scares me. I would like Democrats to win on this. Especially after the embarrassing victory the (Log Cabin) Republicans just snatched out from under Democrats on DADT.
Could we all make some calls and write some emails? Let’s make them do this. This is an immoral policy that hurts our military and stigmatizes gay soldiers. Let’s fight Reid on this until this policy is in the dustbin of history.
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Scottie Thomaston (indiemcemopants) is a 26-year-old Alabama blogger who has written about politics on various blogs since age seventeen. A disabled, ‘out’ gay man, his principal themes have been LGBT rights, torture, NSA spying and the challenges of disability. His pieces have appeared on Daily Kos (where he also moderates a community series on disability), Firedoglake; and on his own blog, "Ignorance is…" The quality of his writing earned him a 2010 Netroots Nation scholarship from Democracy For America and a citation in the New York Times Opinionator column. He is actively building his career as a professional new media journalist.
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48 Comments




I think it’s very important for folks to remember to contact the Senate Armed Services Committee and tell them that the military should do what its told to do and not the other way around. The military has been trying to bully its civilian leadership and the public when in truth it only has power because civilian citizenry bestow any power upon it.
In other words, it’s time to remind the military about the chain of command. It starts with voters.
You’re absolutely right on the stigmatization. What boggles my mind is the apparent willingness of the Democratic Powers That Be (executive and legislative) to duck the issue.
The message the DPTB need to receive is simple: it’s a sad day when you are to the right of Ken Mehlman. (Yes, Ken’s been making his pitch to repeal DOMA and not DADT, but the idea is the same.)
Indie, love you like a brother, and truly appreciate your passion, so it pains me to say:
It’s over. DADT isn’t going away, and you can tell by the calendar.
See legislation is more like fencing than frikking chess. In fencing you have:
Attack
Parry
Riposte (Remise too, if you’re really going for it)
(repeat parry and riposte/remise several times)
Win
There are also tactics in parrying and riposting, including “feint” and that’s what the Republicans are doing in their “newly discovered tolerance.” They don’t mean it for a hot second.
That’s also what Reid is doing; a calendar feint.
And look a little closer at that link I put above:
The numbers above are target zones, consider them as weaknesses.
We’re not seeing any riposte/remise action simply because of the risk that I bolded.
So all that being said, sure I’ll call up Udall and Bennet and bark at them; being all curmudgeonly I enjoy it a bit.
But the truth of the matter is that DADT will be removed in the manager’s amendment or elsehow; most likely by a Democratic Senator actually, claiming that the “Military Professionals need to have time to study the matter, and thus we can’t hold up funding for our security. I urge myu colleagues to…” so that Republican fingerprints aren’t on it and it’s all bi-partisany.
The time for the letters and phone calls, as I’ve learned from Jane over the years, was when the bill was introduced in the House. Since HRC was still in the veal pen at that time, SHAZAM! There was only “Don’t Ask, Don’t Give” from Aravosis’s quarters which FDL and Markos joined in, and Markos was ROUNDLY harangued on his very own blog about it.
Sad to say, but true. The hallmark of legislation that will pass is known by it’s form:
Attack (Support/Phone/Email/Fax)
Parry
Riposte/Remise (Support/Phone/Email/Fax)
Riposte/Remise
Win
Harry Reid is parrying, and feinting. DADT has no chance this cycle IMO.
Do you know if there’s a link specifically to the SASC? I’ll add it.
And to the right of 75% of Americans on DADT.
When you think about the fact that Ken has been a big proponent of Dick “23%” Cheney, giving him an extra 2% is not a big deal.
Yep I was there when Kos was attacked for it, I thought it was one of the coolest things he ever did (though, if I’m gonna be honest, I’m not a fan of John Aravosis.)
And all the stuff you said is likely right, but the thing is, I dpn’t care. I’m not gonna let it go until after the chance for repeal is long gone and there’s no hope left. It might be futile at this point but it’s so important that I want to fight it as long as possible.
I’m just… I’m a gay cripple in the south, like I’ve said before. Lots of fucking fight in me.
DADT will die by the courts before it dies by Congress. Judge Phillips was brutal in her take down, and it’s hard to see an appellate court overturning her judicial logic.
She’ll get trashed, of course, but I read the NYT’s profile on her: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/us/politics/11judge.html?ref=us
She seems like a non-ideological moderate type.
Sure thing indie; I Don’t Quit. Never have, never will.
I’ll enjoy calling up my Seno-Jerks. I have their office numbers in my phone address book!
The thing is the battle landscape. It’s regrouping for the next charge, and that’s something we’ll always have to do. Always.
That, and never quitting.
Yep. I’m gonna end up going crazy from all this stress. I can tell already. But still, I can’t stop caring. :(
See, that’s the beauty of a place like FDL.
If you think you are all alone in this fight — there in the depths of Alabama, for instance — places like this remind you that there are a bunch of folks who’ve got your back.
Kelly is right. Our “fierce advocate” was interested in nothing more than getting our votes. Period. I saw the writing on the wall over a year ago and the spineless Democrats have bumped it back so often that after January, they will have an excuse again and can fund raise off the issue for at least two more years. No WAY they are even going to bring it up just before an election.
It’s my opinion that letting the amendment die in the election frenzy may have been the administration’s plan all along. From the day that they called everybody to the white house and axed the Murphy bill that contained real teeth and protections I was convinced that they were operating in completely bad faith.
Liberal blogs probably saved my life, as cheesy as that may sound. I felt like I was the only person against the Iraq war, and that’s why I went searching and found Dkos, which led me to a lot of other places, like here. It’s been amazing.
Meeting everyone at Netroots Nation this year made me happy.
Uuugggh Richard I really don’t want to agree with you, but what you’re saying sounds completely plausible. Sigh.
They should WANT to bring it up before the election. Social issues aren’t losers anymore and it would energize younger voters.
Then again nobody ever said politicians were very smart.
Don’t go crazy – get mad! It’s great to get in their face and stay in it.
In fact I’ll just reminisce a moment or two on this Quixotic quests:
Yelling At Udall for his FISA vote at Pride 2008
Insisting Bennet follow through on PO pledge
Caring along with action counts, regardless of the outcome.
Info about SASC here at this link.
So much for getting out of here tonight to have a cocktail with my spouse. * sniff *
Oh no! :(
You guys rock for this though, really!
You’re preaching to the choir indie. The people who need to be convinced are people like Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reid, Chris Van Hollen and Tim Kaine. Three cowards and a neoliberal ideologue. Good luck.
I should throw Menendez in the mix too but he at least has some rudimentary spine.
It’s okay, it’s raining and I really don’t feel like going out in the wet. Better to do something constructive like this and have a nightcap at home. ;-)
They think it’s 1994, though. So they won’t ever be convinced. Dammit.
Fixed it for ya.
I guess so but it sucks a whole fucking lot.
The idiots should have never wavered on Rep. Murphy’s original bill. He came to Dkos to tell us all about it and it was a good bill. A guy on his staff even assured me that with his bill there would be no segregating gay troops from straight troops – something that is being considered now.
Oh, yeah, dyslexia, sorry. :P
Exactly right, Kelly—for nothing worthwhile is easy.
Sleeptime for me but I’ll check back for comments when I wake up.
Well these days “Liar” and “Politician” are synonymous. It’s always been that way to a degree but sometime early in the Bush administration, lying became the default position among Republicans, a policy that the Democrats have eagerly and fully embraced. They lie when they don’t even have to.
Night indie.
No, the NYT is just being a transcriber for Congresional Democrats. If 75% of the public support this, this should be a fight that the Democrats should be begging for. This looks suspiciously like Congressional Democrats are trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes that in reality these Democrats are prejudiced. Democrats first used the excuse that it was “too soon” to act and now they’re using that it’s “too late” – always having a ready excuse for not acting in order to justify their access to the GayTM.
Yanno, it’s inappropriate for me to suggest to you how to feel. But I will tell you this:
You’re good at this advocacy. You’re young and REAL GOOD at it.
So to the extent that you can find ways to prepare for both wins and losses and play the long, and I mean LONG game, you’ll be better off for it.
Hear! Hear! I wish I’d had the internet as a tool when I was young and idealistic. I don’t know whether it would have ultimately sped things up or not but when I was in my twenties, it was screaming into the wilderness. You had to stand on a street corner to advocate or to write letters. Letters are too easily ignored unread and more often than not, holding forth on a soapbox was likely to get you arrested.
Agree!
& smooch!
I don’t even think it’s that. I’m sure there are some phobes among them but I think what’s really going on here is they aren’t ready to give up the cash cow that is LGBT civil rights.
The Pentagon honorably discharged 428 service members for violating the ban on openly gay troops in 2009. Women account for 14 percent of Army soldiers but received 48 percent of the Army’s “don’t ask” discharges in 2009. Six percent of the Marine Corps is female, but women accounted for 23 percent of its discharges, according to statistics reviewed by the nonpartisan Palm Center, a think tank at the University of California at Santa Barbara.
It would be interesting to know why these disparities (between male and female homosexual military discharges) exist.
The Palm Center (palmcenter.org) has a lot of pertinent information, including this: Lt. Col. Irene V. Glaeser wrote a study entitled, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell: Time for Change,” at the U.S. Army War College as a 2009 Strategy Research Project as part of a paper submitted for a Master of Strategic Studies Degree. The paper cites “exhaustive studies” of both “don’t ask, don’t tell” and the experience of foreign militaries to argue that openly gay service does not impair the military and that current policy “needs to be revised and lifted.” Glaeser states that the U.S. has “entered an era of persistent conflict,” and must be “broad-minded and agile enough to adapt.”
The operative word here being “honorably”. As abominable as DADT is, those of us who were thrown out prior only wish we had it so good.
I say that because it has sort of already slipped out with Obama where’s he has admitted having a religious prejudice to gay marriage – he claimed that his actions wouldn’t be affected by his religious beliefs, but now that he’s in the WH, his actions speaking louder than his words. I think it is fair to assume there are others who control the levers of power who also harbor these same prejudices but haven’t had 24/7 media coverage like Obama has so it hasn’t slipped out with them while I think there are others who control the levers of power who cry crocodile tears when in reality they don’t care one way or the other.
I don’t think it’s a financial matter – I find it highly doubtful that the GLBT would go and suddenly start voting Republican because the Democrats repealed DADT/DOMA/etc. I cite the Civil Rights era and the subsequent African American Democratic loyalty as proof that Congressional Democrats aren’t afraid of losing money/votes but rather that something more sinister is lurking…at least amongst those who have the most power.
I think you aren’t understanding that some of the biggest contributors to Obama and the Democrats in 2008 were LGBT Americans. I’m aware that Obama is a bigot but he’s also an establishment Democrat. He has no qualms about making promises he knows he’s never going to keep and cashing in on it. None. And voting Republican isn’t what they fear, it’s the money drying up.
FIRST – NEVER GIVE UP TO THE LYING FUCKING SCUM.
and, back to the current reality. remember the ‘principled’ sell outs, and the public hand wringing and the public teeth gnashing and the f’king lies during the public option betrayal in the spring?
1 of the better tinfoils I read was that they dragged out the public option betrayal so there’d be fewer opportunities for REAL progressives to build strong primary challenges …
ANYHOO … I’m sure there will be all kinds of bullshit lame ass f’king sell out cowardice crap when the sell gays out … right before, during or after social security is started to be handed out to the criminals of wall street.
we watched “repo men” tonight – the main characters are repo men for ‘the union’, who provide synthetic bio replacement parts … when you can’t afford that pancreas replacement for 600 grand, they finance it …! at 19% .
sound like AHIP care from f’king Obama?
good luck, work for the best,
expect to be sold out and at least you won’t be disappointed.
rmm.
Words to go to sleep by:
“The rights and the welfare of millions of Americans are involved in the pledges made in the Democratic platform…. And those rights and interests must not be betrayed.” — Harry S Truman
I’m amazed at the depth of this issue that I have NO clues about unless I read about it here at FDL/Seminal.
Kelly, you continue to amaze me as I learn more and more about you, and you reveal more and more about yourself. You are a warrior of the likes I’ve only encountered in my life but a few times in my 57 years.
Yer a warrior, moderator, leader, educator, nurturer, healer, and more. You continue to amaze.
Margaret is indeed your twin sister methinks, too.
And I’m bawlin like a baby as you all reach out to Indie and help him on his path.
Finally, I’m greatly saddened and askanced at the REPEAL of DADT issue as being the loser as many describe it.
I had thought the tide was turning, Prop H8, and all that.
I offer only my heavy heart to learn it’s not going well, despite what I thought.
And I thank the LGBT community at FDL/Seminal, for keeping this straight MUCH better informed than he ever could be in any other means of following the LGBT issues for their civil rights.
Gotta toss Kudo’s to Teddy P, also. And any others I missed that keep LGBT issues to the fore in this forum.
I’ll end with, it’s a class war, and we all lose when any of us lose. And the bastards continue to pick on and pick off the LGBT’s, blacks, browns, and occasionally yellow’s.
And the proggies, and the ugly, fat, not so deferential of us, we the people.
We stand together, or we die alone.
The only way the defense authorization bill is not passed is by a continuing resolution that allows the programs in that bill to continue spending at current levels. You have to ask how likely that is to happen. My sense is that this gets kicked beyond the election.
But the Obama administration is in a strong position to eliminate DADT without Congressioonal action. A district court judge has ruled it unconstitutional. All the Obama admiistration has to do is not pursue an appeal. And for no judge to stay implementation of the ruling. The real question is whether the Obama Justice Department will refuse to appeal. And whether an appeals court will rule that non-gay soldiers have standing to appeal.
Advocacy and pressure must be applied to both of these situations.
DADT is dead because we are not a Democracy — or a Republic — but a Corporate Dictatorship.
For the Corporation to run efficiently the polulace needs to be distracted by “conflict.” Therefore while the majority wants DADT to end, its “elected leaders” (in “elections” that get phonier by the naosecond) do not.
Here are my thoughts on the subject overall.
The only reason any gay person should be interested in the military is for the uniforms.
Especially Sailors.
Actually what you mean is the democratic lie that they are trying to repeal DADT is looking bleak…..good !
Their bill does not contain a date to begin the repeal and requires the pentagon and the secretary of defense to sign off on it, instead of the commander in chief issuing the policy change.
Meanwhile the Log Cabin Republlicans, who are actually fighting DADT, just won a huge victory when a federal judge declared it unconstitutional.
But don’t worry, I’m sure Obama and the HRC will have another cocktail party very soon.
Is there a single core constituency of the Democratic Party that isn’t under fierce attack?
Even one?
This country was SO ready for repeal,so ready for so much progressive change. That’s why we put Democrats in Congress and in the White House. And now look what they’ve done. They have shirked their mandate and betrayed us. They also created a vacuum which is filling up with crazy people and evil forces. Watch out, folks. The worst is yet to come