The White House, from Robert Gibbs to David Axelrod to President Obama himself, refuses to tell us whether they think Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is constitutional or unconstitutional. They claim that since the president is not on the Supreme Court, it’s not right for them to speculate. He’s had quite an unclear plan all along on the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, if in fact one exists at all — and the LGBT community has become increasingly wary and angry.
Liberal bloggers held a sit down meeting with the president, and he again refused to answer on the constitutionality of the law, even when told it was a simple yes or no question. It turns out that the White House’s refusal to address the constitutionality of laws is a fairly new precedent. Way back in the prehistoric times of March of this year, the White House was fully engaged on answering constitutional questions about laws — specifically the health care law:
Q: Robert, two questions, one on health care and one on — a foreign policy question. What’s the White House’s reaction to the states that have threatened to sue over this legislation? Is that something that the President and the team are taking seriously?MR. GIBBS: I heard Nancy-Ann talk a little bit about this, this morning on television I think. My sense is that a lot of big pieces of legislation are challenged in some ways. We certainly have — you’ve seen the intent of some to do — to challenge this legislation on grounds we don’t think will be very successful.
Q You don’t think their suits will be very successful?
MR. GIBBS: We don’t.
Q Okay. And is there any kind of a plan or a reaction to deal with that in the coming –
MR. GIBBS: Well, I assume there will be many things that we will deal with in the coming weeks, months, and years ahead as health care reform is implemented. But I think that — you know, look, some of the states and some of the players might end up being kind of curious, but, again, I think there’s pretty long-standing precedent on the constitutionality of this.
Very interesting indeed. The White House, when promoting their new health care reforms, felt the need to assure everyone that in the current court cases that were pending in the lower courts, the government’s case was solid and the law was perfectly constitutional.
Indeed, the constitutionality is even addressed on another part of the White House web site:
Now that this preliminary stage has ended, the government fully expects to prevail on the merits.
Admittedly, that’s more subtle than Gibbs’ statement, but it means the same thing. The “merit” of the challenge is the claim of “unconstitutionality” made by the opposing side. The White House blog says that they expect to win on the constitutionality.
As if that’s not enough, one of the most recent outspoken advisors on gay issues, David Axelrod (after they asked Jarrett to avoid discussing gays and our lifestyle choices) has also chimed in on the constitutionality of health care reform. No kidding. I found his comment at the end of an ABC News piece on the constitutionality of the health care law:
Senior White House adviser David Axelrod dismissed the lawsuits, saying the Obama administration is very confident the health care bill “will withstand those legal challenges”.
Again, those legal challenges were on the constitutionality. Either the White House can comment on the constitutionality of legislation or it cannot. Pick one.
(Crossposted at my blog.)



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As Alice said, “It gets couriouser and couriouser.” White House speak with forked tongue.
Indeed. Wowser.
It’d be one thing if I had to rely on media accounts to find these quotes, but one of them is directly from the WH’s own site! They really should keep up with their messaging.
But remember… the filibuster is not in the Constitution.
Indie…! Obummer can’t hide behind that big report from the Brass…
Their big poll results are trickling out…
AP sources: Most US troops, families say gays OK
Just like coppers need to know the fucking city code, Obama needs to know the constitution to do his job. IT IS HIS JOB. You can’t be president w/o knowing what is and isn’t in the constitution.
I will continue rant on Obama and the worthless mainstream media later on!
Barry considers the forked tongue a mtter of principle. He’s our “fierce advocate” — and therefore will fight like hell to oppose anything we stand for. His lackey Valerie Jarrett has been quite clear on this matter. “The President SAYS” he wants to get rid of DADT. And we’re supposed to take that “SAYS” as if it were an action.
It isn’t.
I’m not voting again. Ever.
Of course! The White House was for the Health Insurance Company ad Pharmaceutical Welfare and Giveaway Act that it’s lobbyists authored but is ultimately against repeal of DADT because that wouldn’t be bipartisany.
Barack Obama: MAWBB
thanks indie, rec.
Jarrett met with some LGBT advocates earlier in the week – the guests included the Palm Center and SLDN – apparently it was agreed no one would disclose what was discussed -
has anyone heard ANYTHING as to what was discussed ?
I have been bogged down deep in Fraudclosure Land and may have missed it
George W. Bush knew only one part of the Constitution–namely: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States,” taking the position that the commander-in-chief power trumped everything else in that document.
Unfortunately, Obama has entrenched and even expanded that interpretation.
On second thought, he’s discovered a “teh gay” exception to the commander-in-chief power. Don’t you just love U of Chicago law professors?
There must be a short circuit between the 8th and 9th dimensions of their 11 dimension chess game causing this inconsistency in their understanding of constitutionality.
Is Joe the Plumber cross-trained to wire circuits?
The healthcare law HR3590 has language in it that addresses the legality of the mandate.
“SUPREME COURT RULING- In United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters Association (322 U.S. 533 (1944)), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that insurance is interstate commerce subject to Federal regulation.”
Probably the DADT law doesn’t have any provision citing a SC ruling that discrimination is lawful, for obvious reasons.
Yes, it’s constitutional as long as it’s for the corporations.
obama…not lifting even a finger to help equality? what a surprise
Stay in the Oval Office, Obama. They can’t corner you there.
perhaps the administration just wants to “appear” to support DADT. They actually seem incredibly conflicted about gay and lesbian civil rights.
Obama does not support same sex marriage. Just can’t quite wrap his his around two loving sam-sex adults wanting to marry/be equal.
What fear in him prevents him from supporting equality?
Beg to differ. There is a precedent for discrimination. This is not a SC ruling, but straight from Article 1, Section 2 of a famous document. Indians and the THREE FIFTHS folks did not receive equal treatment.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, THREE FIFTHS of all other Persons.
Great catch, indie.
“I’m not a Supreme Court justice” has to be one of the greatest presidential cop-outs of all time.
So Obama spends $4.5 million on a “study” to see if he should discriminate against gay people or not…..that’s some constitutional scholar !
You folks in the LGBT community must be pretty slow. How many times do you have to be slapped and kicked before you realize that Obama and the dems are never going to pass DADT and DOMA? Your cause is being played like the anti abortion folks on the right, your raise too much money for them to legislate your cause into law. They are going to promise you the moon and keep taking your money until you stop sending it.
So we have a ‘constitutional scholar’ who took a paycheck to teach the constitution, who thinks only 9 people are allowed to have an opinion on the constitution?
You can’t make this shit up…
Obama thinks that the Log Cabin Republicans should get him the Republican votes that he needs.
Right up there with….
I did not have sex with that woman.
Professor Obama: “Well, let me paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, as I see it, it may indeed be unconstitutional for me to state publicly that I can call all laws unconstitutional any time I want, but I think it’s constitutional for me, once in a while, to say that some laws may be unconstitutional some of the time.” Depending on the circumstances, of course.
Wake Up people.This WH has been selling bogus goods from the start.
Obama has to go in 2012….He can point to all the LGBT members he has appointed to senior positions…that does not make up for the fact that he is still denying segments of our population equal rights.
It’s like the bigot saying look I have AA friends so I can’t be a bigot.
They’re not slow. Just desperate.
But yeah, they need to realize that when Obama claims to support repeal, he is lying like a used car salesman.
Obama also thinks that the progressive democrat gay blogger, Joe Sudbay, should be able to convince the Log Cabin Republicans to do this. Apparently Obama thinks that all gays know each other and have working relationships with each other.
Obama’s opinion of this is rather easy to discern.
If Obama thought DADT was unconstitutional, he could not in good conscience have his DOJ appeal the ruling.
In order to appeal the ruling you MUST believe that there is at minimum an argument can be made for it to be constitutional.
It’s instructive to compare their position on DADT with Brown v. Board. So Gibbs says “I think there’s pretty long-standing precedent on the constitutionality of this.” Well, there was long standing precedent on Jim Crow too, stretching back to Plessy. This isn’t a question of their thinking on constitutionality, but of their political cowardice.
The intent of the three-fifths rule’s is the opposite of what you think. Slavery was allowed under the Constitution (though an end date for the slave trade was set as 1808), it was Northern abolitionists who wanted slaves counted as less than 1 person (or not at all ideally) in the Census, three-fifths was the compromise. It was the slave states that wanted each slave counted as one (or “fifth-fifths) a person.
The big issue was Apportionment, every 10 years congressional seats are allocated between the states after the Census. The abolitionist (who remember, were on the slaves’s side) didn’t think it equitable that slave states could deny its slave population any rights as a human but then get to count them in the Census and thus get a larger share of (pro-slavery) congressional seats.
Because there’s no place else for us to go, and PBO knows it. It’s the difference between agreeing to being kicked in the gut (D) and being sprayed with machine gun fire (R).
We need to change tactics to make this even more of a painful PR issue for the White House.
There are different levels of judicial review of the constitutionality of a given statute. The easiest standard for a suspect statute to overcome is the “Mere Rationality Standard.” To pass the rationality standard for constitutionality a statute must 1) pursue a legitimate state objective (state as in gov’t, not as in 50 states) and 2) the means chosen to pursue this objective must be rationally related to the objective.
Here’s where the PR attack comes in. Ask Obama/Ax/Gibbs/Whoever what the legitimate state objective of DADT is, then ask them how DADT is rationally related to achieving that objective.
For example:
Press Secretary Gibbs, is DADT a rational method to achieve increased unit cohesion in the military?
President Obama, you’ve stated DADT harms unit moral/cohesion and damages military readiness, as a constitutional scholar, do you believe DADT rationally pursues a legitimate state interest?
The answer will either directly lead to the conclusion that DADT fails the mere rationality standard, OR
The answer will show a prominent WH official saying they think DADT is rational – a serious flip-flop and slam on the GLBT community.
Just More Obamanible RENEGING!