Rauchway’s book is an exceptionally valuable pocket summary of the major actions of the New Deal. It solves a big problem for those with small pockets: how to keep enough facts at close hand to answer, with authority, all the anti-Roosevelt nonsense and disinformation in circulation these days.
But Rauchway is also very good on Hoover. He is especially good on the illusions and self-delusions of the Depression’s first years. Chief among these was the optimism, the ritual statements that things would soon get better, that prosperity is "just around the corner." This false optimism we don’t hear expressed so much today; President Obama knows to avoid it.
But false optimism is, nevertheless, still present. It has become a mental habit. It is institutionalized and embedded in the professional economic forecasts, notably the official baselines of the Congressional Budget Office. These cannot admit the possibility that we are at the start of a new Depression, because there is no similar experience in the statistical record on which they draw. It will take time, grim experience, and determined argument, before the President and Congress come to grips with this.
A second feature of the Hoover years was his desire to revive credit, lending and the operations of the banks. There was a touching faith in the institutions that had brought so much prosperity in the 1920s. And the people who had enabled the boom were in no position, mentally or politically, to admit their errors and change their views.
So it is today, obviously. The new Treasury, like the old one, remains in a Hoover mind-set, fixed on the chance of a top-down solution that would, in a phrase we hear constantly, "get credit flowing again." The idea is to stuff the banks with money, in the hope that they will burst and the manna will rain down.
But banks are not moneylenders! They do not need money, in order to lend! Banks create money. And they do it, when they want to. They lend, in other words, when there is a reason to lend. And not otherwise. The testimony of the bank chiefs yesterday made this very clear.
Or to put it another way, credit is not a flow. It is a contract. It requires a borrower as well as a lender. And the borrower must be both optimistic and solvent. These are the conditions that are not met today, and that cannot be met by stuffing money into the banks.
FDR realized two things. First, that the banks were bust. They had to be closed, reorganized and rebuilt. And second, that credit would revive only if the balance sheets and business prospects of the borrowers — that is to say, of the American population — were restored. The first he accomplished immediately. The second took through World War II, which (through victory bonds) massively recapitalized the American family. Meanwhile, for nine years New Deal spending kept Americans fed and economic activity alive.
What Secretary Geithner needs to do is, is assign teams to examine the banks. He must do this, before taking the fatal step of guaranteeing their assets. Examination, as in, look at the loan tapes underlying the mortgage-backed securities. Look at them. This is called "due diligence." Or, not buying a pig in a poke.
It will become clear that the banks either (a) do not have the loan tapes, and hence can say nothing about the quality of the underlying mortgages, or (b) where they do have the loan tapes, that sub-prime securities are deeply infected by fraud and misrepresentation.
We know this, because of the losses already incurred, and some evidence from inspections that have actually occurred.
When this becomes plain, it will be clear that there is no upside to these assets. They cannot recover. They are, essentially and for the most part, doomed to default. Therefore it is wrong to speak of the taxpayer "assuming the risk." The Treasury is proposing to take on a sure loss, thus to make a massive transfer to bank stockholders and incumbent management. With no effect on the balance sheets of the American public – and therefore no chance that credit and credit-fueled economic activity will revive.
That, so far as I understand it, is the economics of the Geithner plan.
Perhaps the Treasury has a clear and persuasive answer to this argument. But if they do, they have not made it. And their constant use of a bad metaphor – "credit flow" – raises grave doubts. Does the Treasury team really understand, in a way that clearly separates the public interest from that of the bankers, the situation we are in?




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“Meanwhile, for nine years New Deal spending kept Americans fed and economic activity alive.”
It would appear that the package that is about to be signed by the president is inadequate in this regard. Is this a fair assessment?
I’m not familiar with the term “loan tapes”, but what I think you’re getting at is the actual detail on the individual transactions. What the institutions have instead is, “Trust me. This is really good paper…”
Finally, how can the people in DC be missing the obvious? It’s being fairly screamed from the pages of newspapers throughout the world. Are they brain dead, do they have their heads in the sand, or is there something else entirely at play here?
The still-forming Geithner team at Treasury must face down the moral hazard problems in the coming months. In doing so, nothing keeps them from reviewing how the Nordic banking systems emerged from a horrific systemic collapse in the early 1990s. Geithner can readily compare outcomes of, say, the Swedish and Finnish approaches and decide which, if either, might be help deal with our bank insolvencies. Moreover, the drawbacks of waiting to let the courts sort out distressed banks is well understood (e.g. the Pafitis case in Greece, Credit Lyonnais in France, or our own wonderful collection of cases from the S&L crisis). Policymakers already have a pretty good idea of the costs of doing nothing are.
Comments about the hopelessness of banking reform may be premature. The public is aware of the problem, making them somewhat immune to CNBC sell-side mantras. Perhaps best of all, the stimulus package has taken a lot of the oxygen out of the room. Congress now shifts to structural reforms. All this talk of putting banks through “stress tests” and bolstering prudential supervision is really the prelude to a banking system makeover. Banks that see the writing on the wall may see an advantage to going along. Consider, for example, that half of the US physical housing stock suffers from energy inefficiency, inappropriate siting and challenged aesthetics.
DIGG IS OPEN so let’s see some DIGGIN goin on around here!Prof. Galbraith, the little box up top on the right where it says DIGG has a bug and does not tally up the strokes for you. Not to worry, I’m going to go about passing the word that you are here.
A straight talkin’ man, no condescending BS, no rolling of the eyes, no continual carving and shaping the stuff with the hands to memmerize us. no skinhead to symoblize that you’ve taken a haircut in this crash, too….and, it don’t look to me like you’re the kind of a man to get down on your knee….
Hey, you citizens of our Lake, there’s a real economist come to call!
I must be off now, Prof. Galbraith. You come back soon, ha heah?
dugg
thank you sir, for writing this post for us.
thank you for this diary! As you can tell from my handle, i’m a fan of FDR’s New Deal and what it accomplished. I will be certain to buy the recommended book (while i still have a job, keeping fingers crossed).
Are you here? What do you think of Ian Welch’s economics?
i am on total agreement with your assessment. It is not volumes why shoulld a bank loan in the face of a depression…they are beholden to the share holders not taxpayers. Basic conflict.
Prof. Galbraith, I’ll put on my manners now, hard as it is – being a Texan and all….
It is so good to read your words! “…stuff the banks with money in hopes they’ll burst and rain manna down upon us all..”.
I was born in 1934 and I do know what The Depression was like, and I don’t want anybody to have to go through that again. My Dad was on the WPA and we ‘drew commodities’, like about 75% of the people in our little town. We lived on a farm, had a milk cow, chickens and raised a couple of pigs each year. Mama always had a big garden and she canned its bounty.
Seems the younguns in DC see options everywhere – all calling out, “Try Me, Try Me”. ‘The taxpayers’ are going to pay for these trillions? People who have no jobs are not taxpayers… haven’t they thought about that yet? It must be very frustrating for you to observe their lofty pronouncements and the ludicrous results.
I watched you on Amy Goodman at DemocracyNow.org and on Bill Moyers’ Journal, and everywhere I can find you. Oh, how I wish President Obama had put you, Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Mr. Roubini, and others of your school of thought on his economics team. I think then we could have had hope with a sound foundation.
Do make yourself at home here at FiredogLake, and come back often.
essential read
Thank you for your contribution Professor Galbraith. Serious food for thought.
For anyone curious, Prof. Galbraith’s wikipedia page is here.
neither of these things does obama understand
our banks are not only bust, they are corrupt and don’t even care that they are bust, they want more funds and then proceed to abuse the funds knowing full well they are misapropriating the investment of the american people have trusted with them
that’s for part one
as for the second thing fdr understood, again obama misses the point, it is “credit would revive only if the balance sheets and business prospects of the borrowers”
“business prospects”…that’s new business, it does not mean ballance the sheet of old business, it means create credit for new business
the banks need to realize their losses and either go out of business or eat their debt
the stimulous must not be given to those who pillaged the system, it must go to those who are going to rebuild our economic health
I believe Obama realizes fully that the banks are bust. Why do you think the Geithner plan includes stress tests? Nationalization will be very difficult politically…Roubini suggests using *receivership* instead of *nationalization* to make it more palatable to the neanderthals – neanterthal being my term not Roubini’s.
If Obama had broached the subject of nationalizing the banks before the stimulus package, it’s very likely there would have been a revolution. Can’t you hear rush now? And even now, rush will be bloviating and hoping the country fails even louder.
Thank you very much for this diary.
I have the sense that the ship is going down because the floorboards were eaten by rats while the previous Captain and his mates drunk themselves silly on the madiera in the hold and failed to plug the leaks. Meanwhile, the rats were feeding so well that they became more enormous and belligerent by the day — in some cases, trimming the sails to their own desires while the Captain slept through a hangover.
Now we have a fine new Captain, but the sails are seedy and torn, the ship is badly leaking, and he’s now being advised by well-intentioned (but myopic) new crew to take aboard new crates of what are essentially useless lead. These crates of lead were auctioned at the docks by the rats as they left the ship when the new Captain boarded, and the rats told the new crew that the lead in these crates would surely turn to gold if the new crew performed the proper ablutions.
In other words, I feel we are sinking.
And after years of trying to be financially responsible in my own life, it is maddening to watch the rats jet off in Gulfstreams while I’m on a ship being loaded down with lead.
I hope that my analogy is flawed.
But I fear that it is incorrect.
Will Obama and the Dems keep Geithner’s back if he calls these fraudulent loans out for what they are — rat dung left behind by looters?
The sooner Geithner finds the courage and political support to frankly state that these ‘loans’ are vast piles of fraud and incompetence, the better. If that doesn’t occur, I fear we’ll continue loading crates of lead onto a very leaky, sinking ship.
Whoops! Time for coffee…
Obviously, you have failed to fully comprehend the Republican Message. When there is a large hole in the hull of the ship, you simply open up a large hole on the other side of the ship to let the water out. Voila! Problem solved.
wow, right on the money!
readerOfTeaLeaves, your analogy is so perfect, it requires a diary. Don’t let this fade away.
Could you add in those monstrous white vultures, constantly screeching and perching in the rigging?
We need to abandon the notion of leverage. This is one of the root causes of the corruption, it leads to things not being valued properly.
One more point to add to this observation: it is self-dealing in the extreme. Treasury and the Fed are fully staffed by the revolving door method, so they are in effect the very same people who are receiving the massive transfer. What’s needed in Treasury and the Fed is a massive influx of “outsiders” from academia who can bring an independent evaluation and meaningful oversight. Obama has tragically missed the opportunity for that with his weak appointments.
Thanks, for coming by, Professor Galbraith.
He hasn’t missed it, it just takes time. Another problem is that the econ grad schools are not turning out the same quality of money and macro economists that they did through the 70s and early 80s. There are obvious individual exceptions, of course, but the curriculum shifted everywhere to real business cycle analysis, which is of absolutely no use for anything except providing an ideolological support for free market fundamentalism.
So the problem is that to do the due diligence job right, you need a corps of young hungry economists fresh out of the good grad schools, with the right kind of training — the kind of guys like Krugman was in the early 90s (and Jamie Galbraith in the late 70s) and Brad DeLong in the early Clinton administration. The bodies aren’t there any more, and us old guys are getting tired.
Knut, this explains a lot.
Please — please!! — try to find time in your life to turn this into a diary and I’ll keep an eye out for it. This explains some of the frustration of several accountants I know, but I didn’t get their full meaning until I read your comment here.
I think a diary on this topic would help many of us better grasp The Bigger Picture, and also help explain why the level of Senate GOP debate was so (frankly, shamefully) downright embarrassing to this nation. It also helps me understand why Geitner may be having a hard time getting the staff he probably really needs.
It also helps me understand why so few economists seem to be worth listening to these days 8((
Knut, Selise, Hugh, Mascaccio, Ian Welsh….:
he kind of guys like Krugman was in the early 90s (and Jamie Galbraith in the late 70s) and Brad DeLong in the early Clinton administration. The bodies aren’t there any more, and us old guys are getting tired.
The fascist bastids have breeched the wall and you fine few are badly needed to defend our economic “Alamo”. For the sake of our Republic, please hold firm and fight on for that which you know is right and good.
Thanks to each of you for all you do to help the rest of us to know.
My quote marks didn’t work in my #67. Sorry, – - I tried.
I suppose part of the problem here is that “we” as a nation have to come to terms with the cold fact that the largest sector of the US economy is a bunch of smoke and mirrors and is not built on sound financial theory. To quite W’s dad – It’s voodoo economics.
Who will really bear this news? Better to say we need to restart the prosperity treadmill.
But the fact remains that there is more WRONG with what these institutions do than what is right about what they do.
I expect we will hear it if the Stimulus plan works. It was the tax cuts that saved us they gave immediate help to the economy. Now just why didn’t they help during the Bush years.
The Bush years were great he never got credit for the economy he inherited a recession. He never created jobs at the level or pay Clinton did when Bill got the economy going.
When you factor in inflation and population growth in America did the Dow under Bush ever get higher than it did under Bill?
Its all business cycles a President can’t control the economy (this is the last lie desperate GOPers use on the economy)
Wrong a President certainly can make things worse. Also why does the Stock Market go up on average during Democratic Presidents?
I don’t have numbers but living standards for the average worker but I think they go up too.
During the 70’s living standards for workers went down Carter and Bill were the only Dem Presidents and under Bill they went up.
Well, it seems the “Treasury team” and “the bankers” are one and the same — so what else can we expect?
The liquidity trap that Paulson, Bernanke, and now Geithner have been pumping trillions into arises out of the deep insolvency of the banks. I agree that they would make loans if they thought they could make money that way and reduce their debt but in a period of recession and deflation they don’t.
I would go further though in that the Geithner plan seeks to bailout both banks from their bad paper and by selling it to hedge funds with government guarantees the hedge funds as well. Even though he is proposing a program substantially larger than the stimulus, two and a half times in fact, I think the bad debt out there is still more than the size of his program.
I am a firm backer of nationalization. This route (with some enabling legislation) could address the problems of distressed homeowners, re-initiate normal lending, get to the bottom of crap assets with the government acting as an important backstop, see how deep the hole is, and begin the process of recapitalization, and finally reverse the current trend toward consolidation into institutions too big to fail. I heard on Moyers someone say a nationalization process could take as little as 6 months. I think this is an extremely optimistic view.
Please explain the GOP says war spending in WW2 saved the economy.
However except for Finland Nobody ever payed us back for the war. Just what economic benefit did the economy get other than make work projects (which I am in favor of but the GOP calls welfare unless its for military spending) to win a war rather than fill in an economic need and make a profit?
How did victory bonds recapitalize America? Were benefits offered widows and parents who lost sons in WW2 that great?
Thom Hartmen makes the case the WW II slowed the recovery from the Great Depression.
Thanks :)
The G.I bill what effect did that have on our economy? I think the GOP mixes the results of that bills success with the overall after the war economy.
yves at naked capitalism comments on this from the nyt:
yves:
me: if this is all there is to the “examination,” then it looks like we will be getting the pretense but not the real thing. confidence inducing – not.
Interesting no private accounting firm wants the job perhaps? No calls from the GOP about private industry is able to do it better?
This is something to worry about.
The bank tapes might not even exist. Here’s a true story: a cousin of mine put in a $25,000.00 swimming pool just prior to the Savings & Loan debacle of the 80’s. They made monthly payments on the note for this pool for two years then the payment notices stopped arriving in the mail. The paper mess created by the constant buying and selling of notes got so bad that notes were lost, theirs in particular and they never made another payment. They did try to find out who to pay but could not. True Story.
Is there any sign that Bush and/or Obama’s efforts have created any market for homeloan paper? If the banks can’t get bad loans off their books they can’t loan right?
Or are they holding cash because of worries over other loans failing?
In that case what other loans?
There doesn’t seem to be any doubt that the banks will be nationalized in the coming weeks. What other institutions will be taken over? Will the government take the money back from the banks that took it? Were there any conditions in giving away the treasury to these people?
If not, it appears to be more of a criminal conspiracy to loot the US than anything else. The resulting actions by the banks so bailed out do not indicate any sort of compliance.
I hope this is the case. Of course, this is only the first step. It needs to be a smart nationalization to be successful.
What gets me is that people are raising the word as some kind of obstacle. We are told that no one would go for nationalization if it is called nationalization. I suppose that letting the economy crash is preferable? Roubini calls it receivership. Baker, bankruptcy. I call it necessary. It’s like a drowning person who won’t grab a life preserver unless it is the right color. As the whole debate on the stimulus showed this week, we still have not gotten to the point where we say enough with the stupidity and ignorance and let’s get down to business and do what needs to be done, regardless of what it is called.
i don’t see how it can be avoided. the question i have it how long will it be and how much $$$ will be thrown away before summers et al. give up on attempting to reinflate the old dead system?
This will make Mr. Boehner very, very sad.
First, Welcome to “the Lake”, as we like to refer to FireDogLake!
I saw you on Amy Goodwin’s Democracy Now! on Feb. 10, and thought you made a persuasive case. I am glad that you continue that case here, and I hope that you get heard in Washington!
What is the difference between “Nationalizing” the banks that are ailing, and declaring them insolvent and handing them over to the FDIC?
Would it make sense to pick off the worst of the banks for FDIC housecleaning first? What affect would that have on other banks in trouble?
Again, thanks for blogging here.
Bob in HI
Thanks for doing my work for me with that link, Bob. Sorry about the omission. Here’s link to the Bill Moyers Show:
Bill Moyers’ Journal, guest James K Galbraith
Here’s the housing stats in my area:
Home Prices, North Orange County, California
Garden Grove:
http://www.synoia.com/restats/…..0Chart.htm
Westminster:
http://www.synoia.com/restats/…..0Chart.htm
Fountain Valley:
http://www.synoia.com/restats/…..0Chart.htm
Who was it that said, “a man cannot understand a thing, when his livelihood depends upon his not understanding it”?
Given the ties between Geithner and Wall Street, and those between our political elite and our “too-big-to-fail” multinational corporations, it appears that Obama’s economic team has a vested interest in whistling past the graveyard.
probably just an aside: there was a long guest post, at naked capitalism again, by steve keen that touched i think on this. if anyone can make it all the way though it, i’d be interested to have another opinion – does it makes sense or are there obvious flaws? anyway, here is a bit from near the end to hint at the flavor of the piece:
There is much more to our current crisis than this—in particular, this model omits “Ponzi lending” that finances gambling on asset prices rather than productive investment, and the resulting accumulation of debt compared to GDP—but this level of change in financial parameters alone is sufficient to cause a simulated crisis equivalent to the Great Depression.
My bold so if we put Ponzi lending in how much worse than the Great Depression does this get? Minus any expected benefit from the Stimulus?
And hopefully other benefits we can subtract from that total later like ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan National Healthcare.
It’s probably more accurate to say that banks facilitate wealth creation. They take money from depositors, investors, and the Fed and loan it to the builder to construct a house which the bank sells a mortgage on. It makes money from both the builder and the homeowner and also through fees when it securitizes the mortgage and sells that security to some downstream buyer. Now the bank will only loan the builder money if there is a market for homes, and this means both a trustworthy buyer but also the belief that the value of the house will not decrease. Because even if the buyer is solid, if the value of the house goes down, it may be worth it to that buyer to walk away from the deal. So even if you have a reputable builder and a reputable buyer, no bank may want to loan to either of them because the bank doesn’t trust the market. This is as I see it where we are now more. Banks have seen the value of their loans decrease or fall apart through default that they have become insolvent. They have cut back on lending. This depresses the market further making them more insolvent and even less willing to lend, in other words a deflationary spiral.
Or a smaller and less diverse eco? econ? System like Cinnamonape @39 was suggesting? This is getting very interesting lots of ideas on the thread today.
i think the first part is hypothesis 1 of the money multiplier model that keen argues against:
from later in the piece:
it does seem quite contrary to the conventional wisdom – but what do we do here if not challenge the CW?
also, it reminded me of something that galbraith said in the interview with george kenney, “Banks don’t lend capital, banks create money by making loans” and i’ve been wondering what exactly he meant by that. btw galbraith is scheduled to be here for book salon on may 24 (so is sunstein’s “nudge” co-author thaler on april 5).
The bank will loan if it sees an upside to the loan. It either loans the money from its reserves or it goes to the Fed. I agree the mover here is not the Fed or really any of the individual players. The mover is whether there is an upside to the loan, and this question needs all of the component players there for it even to be asked.
right – but as you point out that’s not going to happen in a deflationary spiral. on that point i think there is no argument, it is only on the first part. hope i’m not misstating it: do banks generate loans from deposits while withholding reserves or do banks generate deposits and therefore reserves by making loans? there is no way i can lay it all out here, or defend it adequately. i’m not sure i understand it all anyway. like i said, if you are interested or want to argue about it, i think you’re just going to have to read it first.
It sounds like a chicken and egg thing. In this case, commerce happened historically before banks: Og and Gog bartering rocks. However even this was a regulated, not free, market because their mom was looking on.
This isn’t to say that there aren’t feedback loops in our present system. I don’t see the intellectual interest in trying to fix which part of the loop is “first”. It’s a loop.
When things get bad politicians assign blame, protect themselves and say follow me here is my plan to get you a job.
The GOP plans to blame Hispanics stealing our jobs, protect themselves by blaming Obama and then run up the National debt with military spending.
Obama if the economy falls even more uh what is his plan blame the GOP but in a polite way so voters don’t notice? I think the GOP should be blamed people with power have responsibility. Blaming immigrants because you don’t keep the border closed or insist that Mexico pay its workers more is like blaming the victim.
Obama’s hope for a job for people today is getting muddled with tax cuts.
Is Obama going to get on the stick and change direction?
A polite and confused message of Tax Cuts and Jobs won’t work we need Bold Leadership!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..32532.html
My bold So how did we ever get paid real money for WW2 spending? Yes the war kept us free but you can’t use freedom to pay the rent.
I’m wondering how great the economy would be if there never was a WW2?
If there was any sector of the Financial Market that I would trust it would be the Credit Unions. These appear to have been well run, were much more cautious in providing loans and credit to its members, and appear to be solvent. These organizations would be the ones that I would look to to regenerate credit and lending in the economy, not banks.
I’m a biologist and one of the more interesting principles in biology was Darwin and Wallace’s recognition that diversity increased biomass. The more interdependent and diverse species there was in an ecosystem the more individuals and species that could be maintained on the same plot of land. In a sense having one single greedy species not only produced less overall biomass, but it also was more likely to crash.
It’s interesting that Darwin (a follower, it is claimed, of Adam Smith) and Wallace (a socialist) both arrived at this view by actual observation of natural systems. Maybe evolutionary ecology has a contribution to make to economics…as an argument against hyper-centralized, monopolistic systems.
Diary:)
FWIW, I’m convinced that it does.
You might find Paul Hawkens’ “Natural Capitalism” of interest, as well as his ‘Ecology of Commerce’.
George Soros is saying very much the same thing, because he has a keen eye for asymmetries. But he’s like Newton telling the astronomers that the planets move in ellipses, rather than ‘perfect concentric circles’. The financial class and the wingnuts get the vapors whenever Soros’s name is raised, which I always find intriguing since he’s outperformed them in the markets ;-))
Nobody believes the anti FDR bullshit least of all blue hairs watching FOX.
Let then dig their grave.
You are correct though, arm with facts. If that does not have impact then escalate.
Look at the RayGun legacy project. These pukes make me sick.
Interesting Fox gets lots of older white males viewers people who have different ideas than Fox News about the Great Depression.
First and Second hand Personal knowledge is harder for the Media to refute for example my knowledge of the Great Depression is second hand but all the funny facts on Fox are not going to convince me my Dad was wrong.
Younger Voters is who they should target.
” The probe by the Serious Fraud Office into AIG Financial Products will focus on those with ‘inside knowledge’ of the collapse.
Investigators will try to establish how it lost almost £8billion and brought its American parent, AIG, to its knees.
The downfall of AIG, now 80 per cent owned by the U.S. government, was one of the pivotal events in the start of the global financial crisis. “
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…..r-AIG.html
ThingsComeUndone, as one of the ‘first hand knowledge’ group, I thank you.
The GOP blames the Bank Failure on the banks being forced to make loans to unqualified lenders Minorities they never mention Ninja loans No Income, No Jobs, No assets made to whites.
It was all our fault. Never mind that Dark People still got worse terms for their loans than Whites.
I think one standard criteria should be used for all loans Nationwide.
I think all funny loans should have their terms adjusted to one standard.
But notice the GOP Never says a thing about Banks selling their funny home loans to hedge funds and whoever would buy them often giving the buyers loans at $30 to every $1 dollar of collateral they had.
Funny how the GOP says nothing about banks making these loans that work Only if the Rate of Foreclosure on Mortgages stays above its current level.
In other words these loans only work if the housing market never goes down.
Right now Foreclosures are up and the value of homes are going down thus the hedgefunds cannot pay the banks the money they owe on these loans.
Why aren’t the banks demanding more collateral from the Hedgefunds?
Not all the bank loans only the later ones had buy back provisions.
Yes. And a similar prejudice is evident in the ‘experts’ preference for having the banks solve their self-created problems by themselves. In the NYT article Selise cited, one analyst said, in reference to a potential nationalized bank, “Who would want to do business with a government bank?”
HA! Who would want to do business with a PRIVATELY owned bank!? Why do they still idolize these banks???
At the end of his video, he says, “There are English banks and American banks..that’s the really frightening part”.
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” A hoard of banking files from the Caymans – one of the most secretive British tax havens – are being supplied to the US authorities by a whistleblower who claims they detail worldwide tax avoidance.
The Cayman Islands – Caribbean territories under ultimate UK control – are currently the target of reformers. Alastair Darling was yesterday challenged in the Commons over allegations that UK banks have been using the Caymans for massive tax avoidance schemes. Barack Obama, before he reached the White House, was one of the senators who singled out the islands as a blot on the US fiscal landscape which ought to be investigated. “
http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi…..an-islands
I think this is good news the hidden money of the rich in tax havens might get taxed now.
A few bankers going to jail over funny tax schemes won’t bother me.
Slowly, but surely, information gets out.
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” Morgan Stanley has suspended its global head of real estate investing after revealing that actions by an employee believed to be the former China property head “appear to have violated” the foreign corrupt practices act, a US law that prohibits corporate bribery. “
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ecb7…..07658.html
Balculated Risk had post from FDL with Krugman among three economist and a financial sewrvices investment company. Seemed to sum the present economic morass with clarity.”The News Hour Economists panel – Krugman, Rogoff, Marron, Rivlin”
One suggested was to change the business plan of the banks to a more traditional model of lending without the securitization or trading of tranches of loan packages. Close the bankeupt banks.
Big big problem FDIC has “assests” that are not selling and more on the way.
Let the bad assests go. Buying gad assests is really buying liabilities not assests.
Focus more on consumption (demand) and production. Work on reviving markets or creating new ones like green industry.
Tax the super rich. Stop corporate tax dodges. Find some good spots for capital to perch like green investments with investment tax credits. Start managing capital flow this way. SHow some leadership.
I am not absolutely sure that the Fed isn’t going to do just what is suggested in Galbraith’s article. Gietner’s latest comment that says in effect that they want to examine every bank that is in question – which most definitely would include the investment banks, and the investment turned “legitimate” banks – through the so-called “stress test”. And since transparency is a declared objective of the Obama Adm., Congress and the public will want and/demand to know.
It’s what he will do once the insolvent banks are discovered that remains in question, a very important question indeed.
for for thought
All of the banks are insolvent. They have been insolvent since August 9, 2007 when the housing bubble burst and they all realized that their assets were no longer worth what they thought they were, and if not immediately then in very short order were going to worth a lot less than their debt.
The question now is how insolvent are they.
The News Hour Economists panel – Krugman, Rogoff, Marron, Rivlin @52
Its sad but I think we are on the brink of another depression. I recently read a good book on due diligence which gave me some good perspective on this whole mess. It was called Hedge Fund Operational Due Diligence written by a Jason Scharfman. The Republic needs our help and MORE due diligence!
coming here late. Something I really do not understand ( I am a flunky when it comes to understanding the economy)
What exactly happenned during Oct of 2008 that made the Wall Street bailout so critically important and immediate? I was standing on Ohio Universities campus listening to Ohio Governor Strickland who was campaigning for Obama share how he had talked with Senator Sherrod Brown earlier that day and Brown described his conference call with other Senators and how urgent this bailout was. How it needed to happen immediately
Was there a run on the banks? Were mass amounts of American people pulling their money out? Or was there a deliberate run on the banking industry by the fat cats? They kept throwing out the 500 billion dollar default or run on the banks. Was this a concerted effort by the likes of Soros and his gang?