Imagine how thrilled I was when I opened my email and discovered a dinner invitation from President Obama, except, of course, it was actually an invitation to buy a raffle ticket. For a mere $5, the grand prize was an evening with Barack Obama (and those guys worried about Anthony Weiner compromising the dignity of the Democratic party).
No doubt, you’ve also received your “invitation” and are familiar with the smarmy wording of it. Still, despite the sweepstakes entry cheesiness of it, I’ve been mulling it over–imagining what I would say if I had dinner with President Obama.
I would begin by thanking him for his kind offer to bring my story and my ideas with me to the White House. But then I would say, Mr. President, there are two parts to my story. The first part, you want to hear; the second part, you really don’t. But that is the part I’m determined to tell you.
Let’s dispense with the first part quickly. It is the boring and all-too-familiar story, the type politicians collect so they can use it on the campaign trail. In a nutshell, here is the demographic info so you may check off lots of boxes on your forms: moderate income, college educated, married, over 50, lost health insurance, underwater mortgage, husband graduating college this summer (job market and economy super-important right now), daughter of factory worker and public employee, granddaughter of Catholic immigrants, voted Democratic in every election since the age of 18, raised in small town Wisconsin, now living in California.
Please check off the boxes quickly, sir, and don’t bother trying to draw out of me some yarn about the travails of health insurance, mortgages, etc for potential use on the campaign trail. [First, I am not much interested in telling it. Second, there's nothing particularly flashy here. My husband and I have been blessed with good health. And we've managed despite this recession to keep up with our mortgage. You can find a story with more drama--a good stump speech--somewhere else. [ I hope I will not sound impolite as I say this or cause undue friction at the White House dining table, but I am determined to tell the President my real story before we finish dessert. And when I read this email and "Barack" told me how much he was looking forward to this "casual meal among friends," I felt a profound weariness.]
Now, here is my real story. As I said, I’ve voted Democratic in every election since I was 18 years old. I also volunteered in the Clinton/Gore, Kerry/Edwards, and Obama/Biden campaigns. Yes, Mr. President, your campaign. I’ve already told the story in my blog of how your campaign in ’08 inspired people, and how I witnessed this at the campaign headquarters in Walnut Creek, California–particularly of the last Saturday before the election. Volunteers were sitting elbow to elbow phoning voters in swing states. Every seat was taken. More volunteers stood, waiting for someone to give up a seat. They filled the broad center aisle of the office. The line went out the door and down the sidewalk. And, oh yes, it was raining so hard the rain was bouncing off the pavement. But as far as I could see no one left the line; people continued to wait patiently out in the rain.
A heartwarming story, isn’t it, Mr. President? It touches on your great gift, your singular ability to communicate and inspire people. I am sure that at this point in our dinner, you will thank me warmly for my volunteer efforts and try to draw the conversation down one of those folksy paths politicians love so much.
Yes, yes, I fit nicely into a demographic chart–immigrant grandparents, union member father–the type of voter who was the bedrock the Democratic party could count on until Jimmy Carter went up against Ronald Reagan. But we’ll get back to that presently. And oh yes, sitting in your campaign headquarters at those long folding tables and chairs reminded me of the Friday night fish fries of my childhood, held down in the basement cafeteria of St. Leonard’s Catholic School in Muskego, Wisconsin. But we’ve explored this tangent long enough. Let’s leave my childhood memories of fish soaked in beer, dipped in bread batter, and deep fried. Let’s return to ’08 and your campaign.
This next memory is even more telling, because it does not involve your campaign headquarters. Nor does it involve people who had offered to volunteer. It was on the night of one of the debates between you and John McCain. I was driving home from work and stopped at a red light on Main Street. Immediately I began wondering what was going on, because of the small crowd of people gathering on the sidewalk. I peered through the windshield, thinking there must be some huge sports event I hadn’t heard about. The people gathering on the sidewalk were riveted to one of those sports-style oversized TV screens on a restaurant patio. Even in my car, I could sense the electricity building in that knot of people on the sidewalk. It looked like a Superbowl gathering, except it wasn’t. As the light turned green and I started to roll forward, I caught a glimpse of the TV screen–and it was the debate. It was you, Mr. President, that everyone was watching.
That sight galvanized me. I felt a degree of hope about the future of our country, something I have seldom felt. The first presidential election I voted in was Carter vs. Reagan. It was one of my most frustrating political experiences, because I never doubted Carter’s sincerity. But he did not have Reagan’s charisma or gift at communication. If Carter had had it, he would’ve used it to draw this country into a conversation “about what kind of country we want to be.” Instead Reagan had the gift and used it like a snake oil salesman to talk Americans into buying voodoo economics.
In ’08, when I saw that crowd gathering on the sidewalk, I realized that that immense gift–that comes along once in a generation–the Democrats had it. It was ours. We had the great communicator on our side, and we would start up a real conversation, long overdue, “about what kind of country we want to be.” Or so I believed. But at some point after the inauguration, Mr. President, you pushed your chair back from the table, stood up, and walked away.
Some noticed you had left the table as soon as you said you would not investigate the Bush/Cheney administration for torture or war crimes. Others noticed when the stimulus was half the size recommended by progressive economists.
And me? I noticed your place at the table was empty during health care reform when Joe Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln were allowed to kill the public option with no response from you. As I said, my husband and I lost our health insurance. The system did exactly what it is designed to do: accept your premiums on time every month beginning in your twenties. And then after 25 to 30 years of supporting the private health insurance system, after you cross the Big Five Zero, they jack the premiums up so sky high you cannot afford them on anything less than a six-figure income. Oh yes, it is wonderful that come 2014, no insurer will be allowed to turn away anyone for a pre-existing condition. But I anticipate the premiums will remain sky high and health care will remain out of our reach. There is no public option to provide affordable insurance for people like us.
Since then, I have noticed repeatedly that your place at the table is empty. In December, you caved in to the Republicans on not taxing the rich. You decided to cut “waste” by halving home heating subsidies for the elderly poor. And, of course, why bother honoring your promise to stand with workers who are being denied their collective bargaining rights? Your place on the picket line in Madison and on the podium remained empty too.
Even folks who are not progressives, or politically active at all, must have felt some unease during the PR blitz announcing that the Great Recession is over, while unemployment remains stuck stubbornly above 9 percent. And then you went along with Republicans declaring the deficit is the number one problem, we must cut expenses, and everything is on the table.
I suppose, Mr. President, you would call at least some of the above bipartisanship. What I would call it might get me sent away from the dinner table.
As a Midwesterner, I am about as practical as they come. I thought folks who voted for Ralph Nader instead of Al Gore were fools. I’ve alway believed politics is the art of the possible. But even I have a limit. I’m beginning to wonder what kind of country we could become if progressives just walked away from the Democrats in 2012, and began work in earnest on building a third party.
Now this is where you become really animated, Mr. President. You lean over your gilt-edged dinner plate and launch into an argument, probably a brilliant one, of why it would be foolish to relinquish the White House to the Republicans. I am sure you can draw an unnerving picture of what a Republican victory would look like. Allow me to supply you with several details to add to your list:
-war being waged simultaneously on three fronts
-a president who tells Congress he has war powers and does not need to seek their approval
-a failure to investigate or prosecute Bush/Cheney administration officials for torture or war crimes
-a gutted health care reform bill with no public option
-a failure to provide relief for homeowners facing foreclosure
-a president who drags his feet about leaving Afghanistan even after we got Bin Laden (Kudos on that, sir, well done. But it will be ancient history by November 2012. People will vote on the economy.)
-a president who fails to tax the rich, and whom people no longer trust to defend Social Security and Medicare.
Is there anything I missed?
And, Mr. President, before we finish dessert, I have one more question. Why would someone with your unparalleled gift to inspire and communicate just stop using it one day? Does it have anything to do with the one billion, including corporate donations, that you need to amass in your re-election war chest?
Let me leave you with one final thought. Not too long ago, our country was hungry for change on jobs, health care, and the economy. A young upstart challenged the incumbent: “Lead, follow, or get out of the way.”



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Well I really have no words. You’ve said them all.
And reading this only reminds me of utter disgust with him.
Good luck. Good luck to us all. We’re going to need it.
I answered a survey a few months ago… in a state of high dudgeon. Maybe that’s why I didn’t get the same invite.
Wow. A wonderful post. I hope this makes it to the FDL home page.
I see it did make the home page! I’m smiling!
What she said. In spades.
Dine the Future
Great post – ditto x ∞.
Wonderful post, Janet. You really do have to wonder how he and his circle became so totally disconnected from the people who worked so hard to get him there. Our disappointment knows no bounds. Were we fools to believe? Well, maybe so.
I just delete O’s emails without opening.
Very quaint, Janet. What everyone seems to fail to realize is it doesn’t matter for whom we vote. The government has been co-opted by the monied interests. If I were elected POTUS right now, the pressure to tow the status quo would be overwhelming. In fact, if I would be the one to get assassinated for bucking the system. That’s how serious it is. We are a democracy/republic in name only. The how system has become a sham, a Potemkin Village of Democracy.
Klynn, thanks for recommending it for the FDL home page. I appreciate it.
Agree.
Great diary & FDL Home page too!
Words just fail me on the $5 dinner with Obama raffle thing … I do wonder what the ‘arrangements’ are in reality. I’ll bet anything that there will be more than one ‘winner,’ that there will be a group photo op, and there will likely be no more interaction than handshakes and smiles all around.
If you win would you deliver a two word message to President Bipartisan for me? Fuck you!
There will be no winners, no photo op. O doesn’t want anything to do with his “supporters” except collect small donations, go to large rallies & get cheered while he synclips hopey changey stuff.
Powerful, brilliant stage setting. “Why did you walk away”? I am sure you left out a lot for brevity, but if you ever rewrite it, I would love to see it with more of the gruesome details.
Certainly there is an opportunity there …. hmmmm.
I always write back. I’m sure it goes into the immediate delete file, but what the heck. Here’s my response to this one:
“… it doesn’t matter for whom we vote.”
President Palin
Dear co-opters of the constitution,
You have had control of the country for nearly a century. May we please have our democracy back before we have to rip out your throats and shit down your esophagus?
Sincerely,
Pissed of American
I understand that people who received this invitation are solicited for different amounts of money for a chance at attending the dinner. My price is only $3.00. Some will have to fork over as much as $250.
Excellent commentary, Janet.
I have a question, though. What does the Nobel Peace Prize winning, Bin Laden killing, leader of the free world need a 1B war chest for?
Very interesting. How do they determine how much to “ask?”
Thanks.
Obama faces the same problem that all American politicians face: how to stay bought by their real contributors, come from the 1% without totally alienating the other 99% of their constituents. The usual tactic is to blame the other side: “Those … devils made me do it (or not do it).” Obama pitches that nonsense as “the need for bipartisanship.”
He is now involved in his crowning scam, the Great American Debt-Limit Hoax. The world will end on August 3 unless he gives in to Tea Party demands to slash Medicare and Social Security. Beowulf and letsgetitdone have outlined in detail how the Treasury can keep on paying the bills without borrowing any more money — for details, see http://my.firedoglake.com/letsgetitdone/2011/04/05/use-coin-seigniorage-now/
You missed Medicaid, which O will be throwing as red meat to the R’s. Also cutting/ gutting food stamps which some families have as the pretty much the only way to put food on the table.
He’s doing political calculus here in thinking that these people, the poor, the old, and the severely disabled don’t’ vote. but they are wrong, we DO vote and the fury of people left to starve will be showing up at the ballot box…..if it makes any difference anymore, Even my 96 year old aunt is beginning to believe it doesn’t.
Obama was/is the worst, because we ah hoped to get some justice and maybe a reprieve from the complete collapse of the economy (on our backs), but he’s instead revealed himself as a compulsive liar.
Even the dems in congress are waking up to his Trojan Horse act, fighting him on Libya and Medicaid ( Rockefeller!)
But, what’s the alternative? If people were politically savvy and few are, we’d get a republican president and maybe our majorities, esp Pelosi, back in the House and get of of the Blue Dawgs in the Senate. At best, I think
But, I think we’re toast.
Nobody on the Left is going to run against this guy. And, I suspect, the next 4 years are going to get a lot worse, because he doesn’t even have to try to pretend he’s going to do anything that upsets his masters.
Obama being so deceptive did just what they wanted, get our hopes up and then, take our heart for the fight; they think.
I think in 4 years everything former dem presidents pushed through will be gone and we’ll have people starving in the streets who won’t be shown on the NOOZ. Hell, they already are.
This guy has been like the fuckin’ BP disaster rolled all over America.
I’ll be lucky if I still have a roof over my head when he’s done with me
I have no idea. Someone who was solicited for $250 said that they never contributed to the president or democrats before, and neither have I. Maybe income level? That would hold true for me. I have no money.
That thought has crossed my mind.
Where’s his offshore bank account.
One of the moving parts in all this is the amount of money spent by the parties in advertising buys. So, the more Obama has, the more he can spend in the media, the more he contributes to the financial success of the media/advertising machine, and the more *popular* he is with the media outlets. That all breaks down if Obama does not spend on advertising ….
NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! OMgosh! That’s just plain suicidal.
I don’t think Pelosi and the Dems are any use at all. They were the start of the slide. They justified their craven and stupid behavior ad nauseum.
Obama’s second term is going to be a disaster, yes. He doesn’t care about his promises, he doesn’t care about the people, and he doesn’t care about the party, so he will act totally without principles or concern for anything.
Janet! Well Done!
I didn’t get the invite. It is probably because I call him names like Benito and The Great Pretender. Oh well, I don’t think I could stomach a meal at his table.
It really makes me wonder: how do they get the information they base this on. If it’s ANYTHING other than geographic and publicly available, it cannot be legal.
And even IF it’s geographic and publicly available, the political machines are much more sophisticated than I had imagined.
AND this makes me wonder if the “raffle” isn’t for ALL donors … in which case it would be very easy and highly likely to make sure or expect that no “little people” would ever get anywhere near ANY dinner with Obama!
Who has $250 for political donations these days?
“I think in 4 years everything former dem presidents pushed through will be gone and we’ll have people starving in the streets who won’t be shown on the NOOZ. Hell, they already are.”
Yes, they are. They are living in cars and tents. And, no the nooze won’t discuss it. They won’t even discuss the Nuclear Plant problems in Nebraska!
The nooze is useless at informing America on anything aside from Propaganda.
I can’t bear to hear Obama give a speech, even moreso than I could Bush.
Reading his words is just as bad.
Great diary!
Yeah, Barry just “dropped in” as Prezduedebt for about a minute…
Dinner? I guess you get what you pay for…bread and maybe water.
Bread? I doubt it at over 3 bucks a loaf! The water in a glass with ice would take half of that 5 dollar ticket.
Good point.
Maybe just a picture of a dinner plate with something on it…like send donations here -> signed Predinent Austeritay.
If you win:
1. be sure to steal some silverware.
2. take your sleeping bag and refuse to leave
3. bring some styrofoam plates, so you can pile up with a nice dinner for take home.
4. eat a couple of bean burritos an hour or two before dinner.
Thanks Janet, well written and I’ll be the fool by voting Green this time, I give up. When McGovern lost the party of the people lost, it’s been nothing corp. hacks since.
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This must be their attempt at attracting the food lines…cheaper to vote than eat….”Please Sir…More?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc
On a silver lining note, I’d like to thank Mr. O for showing me what’s really important in life – family, trustworthiness and time to smell the flowers. Next year, I’ll have even more quality time when the husband retires and the halved pension will require us to eliminate the cable bill. This year’s trial and error vegetable garden will also require more attention as the Gawd Bless America! mini series winds down.
“More gruel, Sir. Please?”
I was one of those fools who voted FOR Ralph in 2000…I am not taking offense and I know it is hard to break old habits (I voted for Obama too but please don’t tell anyone) good to see you have come to your “foolish senses” and welcome!
Thank you. Could that be used in a 3rd Party commercial?
Good idea.
Beautiful post and right on the mark, speaking as a person from a similar background. As to Obama, he became dead to me the day he allowed the Bush tax cuts to stay in place. He has wasted his talent, and we all pay for that waste.
The plutocracy has an unconscious death wish, perhaps out of unconscious guilt, and by their manipulation of the “people” there wish may come true.
I don’t think the rallies will be so large this time out. Fool me once …
A lot can happen between now and the real primary season. Who knows, maybe a person of principle will stand up and challenge the fraud currently in the WH? Robert Reich, Elizabeth Warren, Peter DeFazio, Russ Feingold are you listening?
“It touches on your great gift, your singular ability to communicate and inspire people.”
It is a singular gift, as in the only gift. His is an aspirational presidency in every way that matters.
What he said on the campaign trail really did inspire, what he has achieved does not. Let’s realize that a hippie punching technocrat will remain immune to our entreaties. We cannot “make him do it”, although he may throw us bone when it suits his electoral interests.
So he may get some of our votes (in lieu of any sane alternative) but should receive nothing more: not our money, support or endorsement (or frankly, any more pointless regret).
Wisconsin is the lesson. Let’s spend our energy on fights that can be won, in places where the rubber meets the road, and coalesce around issues and anyone actually fighting for them.
We patiently followed Obama with increasing frustration. He failed to lead. It’s simply time for him to get out of the way. No recriminations. He simply wasn’t “The One”, despite his messianic appeal to progressives. Remember that collectively we let this situation develop, the deregulation, corporatism, wars and bad governance – largely through apathy and neglect. We failed to act as the party of the New Deal cheerfully participated in its decades-long dismemberment. If there is to be an antidote to Citizens United, it will take a popular movement outside the orbit or control of either party.
We were wooed then spurned, but let’s stop obsessing over the loss and move on. We have to have a massively more engaged and focused progressive base ready so that future leaders will not be in a position to pull another bait and switch.
I think it is more like massive retaliation. By massing a huge war chest, the President discourages any attack on him from the right (or left). The object is to force the Republicans to desist in this election or put up someone for form’s sake only.
On a related topic the SCOTUS in unanimous decisions sided with Wal-Mart against working women and opposed States from bringing suit against the government concerning climate change.
Of course you realize Pelosi is from an old-money politics family from Baltimore, Md? She is an emigre to California and a total fucking sell out. Career politician with her proverbial hat in hand. She disgusts me.
He lost me a his lack of work on Single Payer, or its lesser cousin, Public Option.
I believe you were too kind and forgiving, which is a virtue, not a fault.
Of course the Obama administration sided with the power companies.
They ruled against class action status of the lawsuit. They did not rule on the merits of the original lawsuit. On that point, I have to agree with them, just because you are a woman working for Wal-Mart somewhere in the US, does not automatically imply you were discriminated against. Doesn’t, of course, mean you were not either.
After the headline in yesterday’s paper where a man beat his wife and seven year old to death with a baseball bat then committed suicide on the train tracks because he was a deadender, being foreclosed on. Do you read stories like this daily ?
So, Mr President there’s innocent blood on the tracks what’s your answer, more golf in the second term ?
The fear of President Palin seems to have expired quicker than the best by date on Obama’s Peace Prize.
To catapult the propaganda?
I haven’t read all of the comments, so this may have been mentioned, but another dinner at which Obama’s place is empty is the war on drugs. The Obama administration has declared that the war on drugs is over, but it’s funny how little has actually changed. He promised to leave state medical marijuana laws and patients alone, but the raids and harassment continue. And our militaristic approach to dealing with drugs continues pretty much unabated. Not really a ‘change I can believe in’.
I was visiting the small town in CA where I used to live last week. I ran into a friend who’s wife works for the Obama campaign. He proudly told me that she was having lunch with Michelle Obama and 400 of their closest friends in San Francisco.
This couple is very smart and well informed. I cannot figure why they don’t see the vast problems with this president. They see Obama as a “rock star” and are impressed with the access they now have.
Here is my question. Is it even worth my effort to try and change their minds?
Obama is all spittle and no action.
“We patiently followed Obama with increasing frustration. He failed to lead.”
Yes, we did, but it is not simple IMO. The opposition that Obama has faced is unprecedented. The GOP is ready, willing and able to severely damage the country, the economy and long established political processes, to get their way.
Yes, I am disappointed with Obama, and disgusted with the rest of the Democratic party — but I am deeply afraid of what would happen if the GOP get control of all three branches of the US government.
Why you may ask, is the GOP willing to do that? Just look at the demographics. If the economy is wrecked, who suffers? The poor and middle class. The rich (primarily GOP backers) survive.
The GOP is waging a cynical, strategic war for power and control.
Yes, Obama should grow some balls. Yes, he just might find more support than he planned on. But he is fighting against forces more inflamed, determined and organized against him than anyone in history.
Great post.
Since it’s allegedly a “contest” I understand they have to have a way to enter without making a donation.
We should all enter the “free” way and maybe someone can get lucky and ask him a real question. Here’s the link: (remember: don’t donate — he’s gets enough from his real bosses, the corporations).
http://www.barackobama.com/signup/dinner-with-barack
“You can just imagine my neighbors’ reaction to all this. If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering. But because they have ‘Impeach Bush’ across their chest, it’s the First Amendment. … So I’m well aware of the unhappiness of the base.” – Nancy Pelosi “has candid talk with reporters” 10-10-07
It’s such a burden, you know, the Constitution. If they were like the dirty homeless, we could have these dirty hippies hauled off. But, but, she said and did so many Progressive things too. I’ll never forgive her for taking certain things off the table. How many lives are yet to be cut short because lawless Presidents have not been checked. There is nothing she can do that will make up for the deaths she has ensured will occur.
“The opposition that Obama has faced is unprecedented”
Yeah, it’s really rough when a president’s party holds majorities in both the senate and the house.
“but I am deeply afraid”
and are thus easily herded onto the killing floor.
Obama is not your friend. We are not represented. Don’t kiss the hand that smacks you.
“The GOP is ready, willing and able to severely damage the country, the economy and long established political processes, to get their way.”
SO ARE OBAMA and the Democratic Party. Hear of the wars/occupations, maybe the military-complex cancer, maybe the trickle down, tax cuts save lives bullshit that Obama endorses. Hell, he admits he is a Free Market’eer and is escalating “FREE” slave trade agreements.
Sadly for Obama, he is getting more scrutiny for just doing what most of the recent Presidents have done. I don’t care either. He is failing the test. The times offer an opportunity for greatness but you won’t hear any of that unless you catch a whiff of his campaign rhetoric. I don’t believe anything said by BRAND OBAMA. I do believe him when he talks to the “important” people and that’s where we should take him at his word.
Obama has a woody for “clean” coal, nuclear, and more deep unsafe offshore drilling.
“Yeah, it’s really rough when a president’s party holds majorities in both the senate and the house.”
Uh, last time I checked the GOP had a majority in the house..
I guess facts don’t really matter to you?
Politicians are no longer seen as public servants. They are now “celebrities.” Your “friends” have stars in their eyes and there is no cure.
Obama doesn’t even stand up for friends and family. How have any of us imagined he would fight for us? I say this in hindsight as I have been embarrassed by his actions and the trust I put in him too.
He lost me with the appointment of Rahm Emmanuel. The writing was on the wall.
Yes, Obama and the Democrats caved to GOP pressure.
But there is a huge difference in intent and degree between caving and the side that wields threats and potential actions that cause the caving.
Do you REALLY think we would have been better with McCain-Palin?
I wondered that too. My buy-in price was $25. How the hell do they determine how much to “ask” for? What criteria are they using and how are they collecting that information? BTW I received the invitation via text message too.
candide, that is entirely disingenuous. You know temporally that it was true.
I argued long before the Republicans took over the House that Obama needed a Republican majority to provide cover for his loyalties to the worst people and corporations.
Nice.
The silliness of holding McCain over anyone’s head at this late date is an admission that your argument is lost. It can only be used as a weak excuse and to divert a principled stance from addressing the present. Why stop there? Why not invent all sorts of “would have/if this had happened” events to shield this President from criticism? There is no end to the number of excuses that can be created.
Palin is a nutter. McCain had no chance given how despised Bush was and how “fired up” we were. In some ways, McCain would have created problems for the Republican Party. McCain and my Dem Senator even got together not too long ago to try and restore Glass-Steagall among other checks on the casino banks.
The Peace Movement may not have gone home, not that all have but too many decided that once Obama won they didn’t need to stand up anymore.
There are so many ways that letting McCain win, minus Palin duh, would have had some positive consequences. Instead we got a President that is more cynical, sold out and that’s a kindness to say that, and destroying by further transforming this Party in what he called Pragmatic but was really just subservient to the master of both Parties.
So, please stop the silliness of Palin boogeyman unless you risk sounding stupid. The Palin bogeyman reminds of so many excuses for this President, I absolutely understand why this President has room to maneuver and betray the very people who worked the hardest for him.
Could have been worse is a joke. The Great Depression could have been worse. Peddle that excuse to the people being foreclosed and entering generational poverty with the rest of us debt slaves, that it could have been worse. You have to admit the excuse sounds stupid? No offense to you, I am referring to the idea. I’m sure you are swell, I am just tired of the same distorted, disempowering, and sickly memes propagating.
It’s worse than that. Obama is not just a celebrity but a brand.
“Uh, last time I checked the GOP had a majority in the house.”
I really feel for you, because the next time you check, it’s going to be even worse. You can thank the back-stabber in chief for that, because I and a whole lot of other people, are tired of watching progressive ideals being hijacked and rendered impotent by a phony, sock-puppet.
“Since it’s allegedly a “contest” I understand they have to have a way to enter without making a donation.
We should all enter the “free” way and maybe someone can get lucky and ask him a real question.”
They claim that the winners will be basically picked out of the hat, but I’m guessing that’s a lie. There’s no way they’re going to pick someone they suspect might challenge the Emperor.
He had plenty of time to do things and he did’nt. He just sat there with his thumb up his ass and let the clock run out.
We have been marketed out of a(semi)functioning democracy.
Who in their right mind could even swallow looking and listening to Obama.
And if he is a ‘brand’, he is a counterfeit one at best, and at worst a patently cheap knock-off of a genuine human being.
Throw the bum out! looks like Mickey is getting my vote again.
Dinner in hell with Satan.
Well at least now we know the market price of one human soul, $5.
I wonder if you can put it on a Stygian Express credit card.
The difference is between Progressives and Repressives.
Unlike some other posters on this thread I will not run off and join the Repressives (GOPTEA – the ones that created 90% of the mess) just because my choice of what I thought was a Progressive did not work out as well as I hoped.
You, and some others, seem to be doing just that.
Teabagger plants, maybe?
It seems to me that Obama’s biggest and most unforgivable act is/was not living up to expectations.
Ask him if it really felt good to f@@k america. He must have enjoyed it, he keeps on doing it.
Surely you jest.
You sound like an Obama plant: just feed it money and bullshit and it will grow into something you hardly recognize.
Now off to your room; the adults want to talk.
FWIW: A Francois Marie Arouet you are not.
candide08, not expectations, PROMISES.
All I wanted from Obama was that he at least TRY to do the things he vowed to do in his campaign speeches. That’s all I ask of anyone – keep your word. He didn’t.
The difference is between the top 1% and the remaining 99% of us. The difference is between working, working poor and poor people and those who would rule over us. The difference is between those who give lip service to the people while betraying them when they get together with their wealthy donors.
The Progressives have more in common with the tea partiers than people like you are too afraid to admit.
Obama didn’t just fail expectations he actually worked against average people and still is. He didn’t just betray Progressives but he reaffirmed many Bush/Clinton/Bush/Reagan policies. He even doubled down on some of them. He actually worked to undermine universal health care, fair trade, clean renewable energy, peace, the Constitution, justice, and a whole host of other issues.
Your opinion seems impervious to facts though. It’s all right I guess a great many are taken in by his again lofty campaign rhetoric while he walks back things sometimes a day or two later, sometimes it takes a lil more time to be fair.
You have horribly misidentified his most unforgivable acts. That’s on the list for sure though.
Yes, I am not Voltaire, but that is not my screen name, rather it is based on a character in his one of his works.
See, in that little example you misunderstand, misdirect and react to something that wasn’t there. Try to twist and make it there – so your argument will work.
I am not a fan of Obama, as one can see from my criticisms on him – even right here in this thread. Yet you over-react, which is exactly what I accused you (and others of), thus proving my point.
“Your opinion seems impervious to facts though.”
Where in your posts are there “facts?”
I read a lot of virulently expressed opinions. I see character assassination, but not too many facts.
I do see you, and others, exaggerating what I post, then attacking it. For example: You say “You have horribly misidentified his most unforgivable acts.” What did I mis-identify? I ONLY identified what I thought was one, maybe the worst IMO, of his acts.
Try debating what I say without the exaggeration and with less emotion. Just because I may not agree with you does not make your assertions automatically valid, despite your own protestations.
I also agree, mostly, with your third paragraph, which is the “not living up to expectations” part of what I said. Maybe I understated what you, and others, overstate.
But the point I have been posting is this: what is the alternative? Because your do not like Obama you will help the GOPTEA – which is certainly much worse?
“It seems to me that Obama’s biggest and most unforgivable act is/was not living up to expectations.”
Wow, candide08, you must be an Obamabot plant! Obama hasn’t just failed to “live up to expectations,” he has actively sold out the bottom 80% of the U.S. population.
For me, the biggest betrayal was his sell-out on health care. People are dying in this country (45,000 Americans a year) because of lack of access to health care, and instead of using his huge political capital right after his inauguration to expand Medicare to everyone, and to educate the country on the economic advantages of the single-payer systems that other countries have, Obama made secret deals with the insurance and drug corporations. He didn’t “fail to live up to expectations,” he actively worked AGAINST the expectations he had raised in his campaign.
I feel sick and ashamed when I remember how I believed the crap he put out about how his mother’s experience, fighting with insurance companies while she was in the hospital dying of cancer, had put him on the side of the patients. Obama LIED, and he is the reason we continue to DIE and go bankrupt because of medical bills.
This is not counting all the people in our military, and in the third world countries that we victimize with our cruel and illegal wars, who continue to DIE because Obama feels like being even more of a “war president” than G. W. Bush.
G. W. Bush now looks like a pretty good guy, compared to Obama. And I wish we had voted for McCain and Palin, because Obama’s most valuable gift to the Republicans was not his supporting their policies and achieving their goals for them, it was demonstrating to a whole generation of new voters that Democrats, even black, golden-tongued ones, are just con men who will take your money and your hours of work, and then sell you out once they get in office.
I agree – not keeping a promise is bad.
However, what politician keeps promises?
What can Presidential candidates really promise (that they alone have the power to keep)? The President of this country can only do so much. That power has increased over the last few decades – but it is still limited.
The Democrats NEVER had a filibuster-proof majority and the GOP was unscrupulously using whatever they could, to accomplish their publicly stated goal – to make Obama fail. Unfortunately Obama and the Democrats caved.
I don’t like that. I wish they had fought harder. That IS a huge disappointment, but calling Obama “satan” (not you) and some of the other extreme posts here really cross the line, IMO. I’d expect those sort of comments from the GOPTEA, who are undoubtedly laughing out load not that they have made “progressives” say it for them.
Mission Accomplished.
“For me, the biggest betrayal was his sell-out on health care. ”
Yes, that was very bad, I hoped for the public option to.
But was it within Obama’s power to make that happen?
Could he do it by himself? No.
Like I said, I wish he would have fought harder.
He IS a disappointment – as are the rest of the Democrats that also caved.
But that was the goal of the GOP, and they succeeded.
There is no alternative now. We have a President.
You can only offer excuses.
I should have said act instead of act.
There is zero reason not to be emotional about what is happening. It’s downright inhuman not to recognize that.
The only way Obama looks good is to filibuster with excuses. The problem is that the excuses are ridiculous and don’t deserve a response.
My loyalty is to average people, and considering this President does not share that loyalty, he deserves none of my support. You are welcome to submit to an unlawful warmongering and war criminal President considering we don’t have an alternative as you would say.
Maybe this will get through but I doubt it. I say we fight just like a recent union leader said, for our issues and pledge no allegiance to any Party.
I’ll add that you are thinking yourself into a dead end and asking the wrong question. It’s also not our responsibility to educate you on the betrayals of this President. They are out there to anyone following along who isn’t deflective with regard to reality that there may be two logos but both Parties serve the same masters.
recommended. I know Janet. I got one of these invitations and felt the same way as I was sending it directly to the trash. Since I’m an “out-there kind of gal”, I made a copy of your post AND the comments and I’m mailing to the Obama campaign team in Chicago.
Who knows? They might actually wake the f up. I’ll let you know if I ever get a response. LOL
Bull shit. The President traded it away very early in the process and set the conditions so it would not even be considered.
He didn’t have to do it by himself. That is utter rubbish to suggest we weren’t in the fight too and were pushing damn hard.
No, the goal was to serve the masters and both Parties were competing for their favors. Obama is a New Democrat, that is to say, NO Democrat at all.
Keep repeating the same rubbish.
You would have us continue fighting each other when average people of whatever political persuasion have been betrayed by both parties.
Smearing angry people by calling them GOPTEA is so Obama.
Excellent diary, Janet. Recommended.
I got the same email too I told him I was unemployed and I wanted 5 million jobs created and both wars over.
“You would have us continue fighting each other when average people of whatever political persuasion have been betrayed by both parties.”
Exactly what I see YOU doing, looking for and exploiting differences instead of looking for common ground.
You said it all in 5 words:
That’s it in a nutshell–that’s what matters, and that’s what I will NEVER forgive. They caved at probably the most important time in recent history–they abandoned us, their constituents, their base. I have changed my party affiliation from Democrat to Unaffiliated, an affiliation that started in 1968 when I first registered to vote. For the past 15 or so years, I have been an unhappy, but faithful, Democrat. No longer, and never again, unless and until the Democratic Party becomes an organization worthy of support.
I knew you would find a reason to disagree with that.
The common ground is the ground that working, working poor and poor live on. That is where the common ground is.
There is no middle ground between the principled and those propagating excuses that doesn’t see that both Parties have betrayed the governed.
When you stop offering excuses, then I will be open to finding common ground but no sooner.
Candide08, I don’t agree that the GOPTEA created 90% of this mess. The leadership of the Democratic Party have made substantial contributions. Bill Clinton pushed NAFTA down the throats of Congress and the American people. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich worked together in a “bipartisan” effort to pass the so-called Welfare reform act that put a time limit of 5 years on the time that parents of dependent children could be poor. After 5 years parents are no longer eligible to receive assistance for dependent children. Bill Clinton is the one who signed the Bank Modernization Act of 1999 into law–this is the bill that deregulated the financial industry and blurred lines between banks/brokerage firms/insurance companies. Clinton was so good at privatizing government agencies during his presidency that The Heritage Foundation commended him saying that he had done more for privatization than any president prior.
Then we have the famous midterms of 2006 when we the people elected a Democratic majority in BOTH houses on a CLEAR mandate to end the war in Iraq and bring our troops home by the end of 2008. What they did instead was to continue to rubber stamp everyone of Bush’s unfunded requests for military appropriations AND furthermore, they even sent an additional 100,000 more troops over to Iraq even before their first session was over.
The notion that the current leadership of the Democratic Party is that different from the current leadership of the Republican Party is, in my opinion not a viewpoint that if verifiable by the facts.
Also we, we need to be reminded that we live in a Baskin Robbins universe and there are more than two flavors available.
SIGN ME AS ONE CITIZEN WHO IS SAYING: “If Corporate Centrist Democrat or GOPTEA is the answer, we need to rephrase the question.”
I DON’T CHOOSE EITHER.
Actually, what you appear to be is a fan of the Democratic Party.
Yes, I know. I taught ‘Candide’ at the university.
So, is this the best of all possible worlds-Leibniz, or should each man merely cultivate his/her own garden-Voltaire?
Be thee the optimist or the realist/cynic?
I would posit you are Leibnizian and not Voltairian.
I’m with Voltaire all of the way.
Read #12 on the rules. There’s no way anyone who’s not totally in his corner is going to this dinner.
NO, I am not a fan of the Democratic party, I just dislike them less than the GOP.
Gee, a few posts on a website and you have produced an in depth analysis of my whole personality…
Nice trick.
I’m sure they are trying to pump up the numbers of “small doners” to show how much enthusiasm there still is in the Dem base for Obama.
Seriously, when he has Goldman in his back pocket, why would he need us?
“I don’t agree that the GOPTEA created 90% of this mess. The leadership of the Democratic Party have made substantial contributions.”
Certainly that is true, the teabaggers have not been around long enough to get much “credit” in that area. We can quibble over the exact number, but the GOP deserves the “lions share,” IMO. Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush did a lot of cumulative damage.
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“The notion that the current leadership of the Democratic Party is that different from the current leadership of the Republican Party is, in my opinion not a viewpoint that if verifiable by the facts.”
Well, I would say different in degree. And I am disgusted by the Democrats capitulation and general gullibility – in being moved to the right, a-la Rove.
But where are the other choices? Regardless of the teabaggers we have no viable third party. Bring back the Bull Moose party? So we have a choice between bad and worse – or nothing.
LMAO
“…why would he need us?”
To maintain the illusion of a democracy.
candide08 @ 10:48am
We are not fighting you: We are converting you.:>)
We are escorting you to a higher reality: think of it as a Pauline experience.
Well, maybe… for some of you.
Others, not so much.
Try as you will, I do have a very independent mind. Just ask some religious folk that also tried to convert me. In one case it worked the other way around.
If the common ground is being invited to sit under a big tent so that I can then be hog-tied and marginalized while a republican/democrat, MIC, corporatist dream-agenda is fulfilled, yeah, I’ll not be joining you. Thanks anyway.
Reverse conversions are not accepted on days that end in ‘y’. :>)
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Ah, of course. Only sycophants will be allowed to “win”.
You regard this article as quaint? It sounds as though you’ve taken away the wrong message from the Obama debacle. Obama failed so miserably on all the fronts Janet mentioned NOT because it is now impossible for a truly progressive president to get anything done because the odds are so stacked against him/her, but because Obama is not and never was a true progressive. He had a real opportunity, one unprecedented in recent history, to bring about progressive change. There was a window of opportunity and he just reached up, pulled it down and locked it.
As for moneyed interests, a president who had a strong backing from labor unions would have the moneyed muscle to push back. As David Macaray suggests (in an article on Common Dreams), labor has the money to force politicians to act in its interests the way Grover Norquist does.
“. . .you either place your signature on his “no tax increase under any circumstances” document or you get steamrolled by the well-financed, anti-tax juggernaut. While some folks might refer to such strong-arm tactics as “extortion,” Norquist and his crowd regard it as a critical test of ideological purity.
As clumsy and peremptory as Norquist’s approach is, it’s also brilliant….so brilliant that organized labor should immediately adopt it. If labor is serious about building an army of progressive Democratic foot soldiers—Democrats who not only believe that the survival of the American middle-class will be led by the labor movement but are willing to stake their careers on it—it needs to adopt a tactic as equally brutal and uncompromising as Norquist’s.
Instead of trying to convince itself that it can reap a bountiful harvest from the current crop of House and Senate Democrats, organized labor needs to sow the seeds of an entirely new strain of representative by announcing that it will no longer support any candidate unless he or she is willing to sign a Norquist-like oath—a written pledge to make unions a top domestic priority and to work diligently on a pro-labor agenda.
“Suicide is painless.”
–theme song from M*A*S*H
Palin? Won’t happen, don’t worry. Even if it did, There. Is. No. Difference. Not for my or my family’s future. Wake up. Please?
I would like to see labor act as you say. But I’m an old barbarian pessimist. Far more likely that the military will act as you say. Oliver Cromwell? Cromwell? Anyone? Anyone?
If we’re lucky we’ll get a Cromwell or a Napoleon. If we’re not, I’m dead.
That’s just basic capitalism. Once again, the profit motive rears its ugly head.
Propaganda that promotes their own vested interest. I include such talking heads as Rachel Maddow and her producers in that.
Beowulf? What’s Beowulf got to do with any of this? Let’s leave the first great hero of English literature, who at least had a sense of honor, out of this, shall we?
ooops. You meant the poster. My apologies.
I hit the wrong reply button. This is a response to Sinestar at 5:14am
An Obamabot claiming to spout the facts! How amusing! The Democrats had a veto-proof majority in the Senate and a HUGE majority in the House and accomplished precisely NOTHING for the American people. When enough of those people were understandably disillusioned and stayed home in 2010, the Republican branch of the Fascist Party took the House.
Boo-effing-hoo! Your Obama is nothing but a Fascist who believes in advancing corporate interests by the use of state power. And so are most of your national Democrats. The Republicans are just a little bit more rabid. Those are the facts, Fascist.
No. There would have been absolutely no difference. Fool.
>>“… it doesn’t matter for whom we vote.”
>>President Palin
Is that supposed to scare us into voting for Obama? Maybe scare us into spending hours and hours knocking on doors and phone banking for him?
A week or so ago President Obama told unemployed folks they just have to take the long view, as if for too many Americans the long view isn’t whether they’ll be able to afford a full dinner tonight – much less at the end of the month.
Well, I’m taking the long view. If I vote for Obama, I’m just approving his Republican-Lite Presidency.
If I withhold my vote, maybe write in Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders, or even Former Gov. Buddy Roemer (R-LA) – at least he’s standing up to the rule of corporations – maybe next time I’ll have a real democrat to vote for.
Besides, what’s the difference between (i) a so called democrat who has surrendered to the corporatocracy and GOP and (ii) their standard bearer?
Shoot, at least Palin stood up to big oil once upon a time – that’s more than Obama can say.
Great Article. Remember Obama is distant cousins to Bush and Cheney and obeys his corporate masters dutifully. Sorry but I don’t think he speaks that well. Listen to Martin Luther King or Malcolm X and hear great oratory.
As Ralph Nader said, “He is acting like an Uncle Tom”.
>>May we please have our democracy back
Do you mean the democracy where people had to work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day in dangerous industrial settings? Where children had to work pretty much the same hours so the family could eat?
The “democracy” where the richest Americans could buy senators by bribing their state legislators?
The democracy where women didn’t have the vote?
The democracy where there was no health care of any type except for the richest?
The democracy which created massive nationwide pollution?
The democracy where you as an individual had the guaranteed right to negotiate the best possible contract with US Steel?
Do you really want that “democracy” back?
Good one. “We Suck Less!” No, you’re even worse. At least I know the Republicans are my enemies. The Democrats smile at me and then stab myself and my family in the back in the name of bipartisanship and shared sacrifice. But THEY are just as wealthy as the Republicans, and share the same interests, which are definitely not mine.
To answer your question: What is the alternative? The alternative is fundamentally changing our existing power structure and wealth distribution system. By any means necessary.
Sound illegal to you? Too bad.
“Necessity hath no law.”
–Oliver Cromwell
” I hoped for the public option to.
But was it within Obama’s power to make that happen?”
Yes, he could have done it if he had used the bully pulpit and pushed for it. He chose not to because he didn’t believe in it. Because he is a corporatist-fascist pig. A sellout. A slimeball. A traitor to his own people, the American people he claims to hold so dear.
>>May we please have our democracy back
When the founders wrote and were pushing for adoption of the Constitution, Alexander HAmilton warned us that there would be people who would oppose an effective and strong government:
“An enlightened zeal for the energy and efficiency of government will be stigmatized….”
He even told us the kind of bogus arguments the opponents of a strong government would make:
“…stigmatized as the offspring of a temper fond of despotic power and hostile to the principles of liberty.” Federalist Paper No 1.
When the founders gave us a “limited government” they didn’t mean one which was weak or small; they meant a government limited by the internal checks and balances among the three branches of government (Federalist Paper 51) and a government limited by the external right of citizens to vote (Federalist Paper 53.)
More at http://rjw-progressive.blogspot.com/2011/01/what-limited-government-means.html
Why choose the lesser evil? CTHULHU 2012! Stop the lesser evilism here, Democratic Party shill. It won’t work. I proudly voted FOR Nader in 2000, and against two corporatist candidates. I proudly voted FOR Obama in 2008, because I thought he just might be FDR II.
He lied to me and millions of others with malice aforethought.
“When the voters have a choice between a Democrat who acts like a Republican and a real Republican, they will pick the real Republican every time.”
–Harry Truman
Obama is a Democrat who acts like a Republican beyond a Republican’s wet dreams. He is arrogant and dangerous. Even McCain would not have trampled the War Powers Act as Obama did in Libya.
Hope you enjoy the nickle you earned off of my reply, you freakin’ paid shill.
“However, what politician keeps promises?”
Hmmm, Winston Churchill, James Knox Polk, Dennis Kucinich, Henry B. Gonzalez. Some of them do. And they SHOULD, God Damn you(I say that reverently), or they should be held accountable.
“The Democrats NEVER had a filibuster-proof majority …”
Liar. Yes, they did. From January of 2009 to January of 2011. Unless you count the Socialist Bernie Sanders, who voted with them, and the whiny Joe Lieberman, who was Al Gore’s running mate.
To the rest of FDL, forgive me, but I had a yin for troll-hunting tonight. And I feel good! Yeah, I feel all right!
“Winston Churchill, James Knox Polk, Dennis Kucinich, Henry B. Gonzalez”
Wow, four out of thousands and thousands, multiple countries, many decades. Boy YOU certainly made your point about how honest politicians are…
As for your “troll-hunting tonight” – keep it up. Keep shooting at anyone that does not agree with you 100%. Good job. Don’t let people THINK differently from you.
P.S. – I am part of FDL (paid member) and do NOT accept your apology.
@GringoLoco – “I proudly voted FOR Nader in 2000…”
Congrats on helping elect GWB instead of Gore.
I am sure you are proud of yourself.
To your last reply: Gotcha! Democratic shill. Nader didn’t beat Gore. Gore did. And what was the difference between the DLC Gore at the time and GW Bush?
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Just so you know, you fascist pig, I was a son of New Deal Democrats. You don’t even know what the New Deal was. Nor care.
No, a vote for Nader was A VOTE FOR NADER, not a vote for Bush. You assume that there are only two choices, both chosen by the kleptocracy to entertain the masses. If you were French, you would know better.
All French politicians live under the shadow of the guillotine. Too bad American ones don’t. Yet.
You think Bush was bad? Wait for what’s coming. You have no sense of history. Fool.
Heh! I don’t shoot at everyone who doesn’t agree with me 100%. I leave that to the Party purists such as yourself. Mock me all you want, troll. And don’t worry, I will not apologize to you, my class enemy.
“Fascists are good only for killing.”
–my uncle. Sergeant. Third Army. First American platoon to reach Dachau.
That’s right. You’re no better than the Nazis.
Mary, I have friends like this; one is associated with the Dem Party in Alaska.
I just send them lots of links to pertinent FDL articles, not necessarily the ones directly outlining what a shit Obama is, but ones describing in detail various problems, and demonstrating that Obama not only has not solution, but in most cases is opposing improvement.
These sorts of things are NEVER reported in the MSM, and the chock-full-o-cliches letters that the Obama campaign sends out don’t address them either.
I keep hoping that somehow the “facts” will seep into the brains of these Obamabots. Foolish, but what else do we have?
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I think it’s important to send something back to these fools, not just throw the letter in the trash. [If nothing else, it costs them $.44 to get your reply; more if you tape that postage-paid return envelope to a brick.]
And, even though i know they don’t care, I want to see them inundated by snarky “we hate you,” “you suck,” “you stupid sell-out failure” messages scribbled on their return cards.
There’s not much satisfaction we can take these days; I’ll accept this.
Well, as of today, at least, Goldman can’t vote. It can give lots of money, but it can’t vote.
Obama still needs to scare as many fools as possible into voting for his Evil Self, “lesser” though he might characterize it to be, in order to win.
He can’t force us to do that.
ditto
fabulous diary
since the big zer-0 was inaugurated,close to 400,000 Americans have died from lack of healthcare…if you add no treatment,to lousy treatment,that is how many have died…thanks zerO for your back room deals…and letting big Pharma hurt your country
for shame
ps .id rather eat a can of beans…lets all send him a can of beans
thanks but no thanks!
I did return the survey with the lowest marks and a “NFWay” to the donation part.
An open post to *Some* people on this message thread.
You call yourself “Progressive.” To me that means, among other things, that one should have an open mind, especially to new or different ideas. One should at least *listen* to ideas different from your own. Of course that does not mean you cannot disagree, even strongly. But there are constructive, positive ways to disagree, and negative, destructive ways.
Yet the feeling I had here, from several posters is much more on the negative, destructive side.
Jump to conclusions, make a few key assumptions and attack.
I did not parrot the “company line” so I was set upon. I was called names, had all sorts of assumptions made about my character and motives and was generally set upon by several posters.
First, I have a thick skin and this will not deter me.
But it is depressing, not because of what you may think of or call me – but because IF THIS is indicative the state of Progressive thinking then the Progressive movement is in big trouble – and the GOP and Wall St. guys will be laughing all the way to US Feudalism.
Even if we are foul-mouthed fembloggers … US Feudalism is NOT OUR FAULT.
The progressive movement IS in trouble. It’s in trouble because it’s been hijacked by a marketing huckster in the White House. People follow strength. Obama was supposed to be that.
Strength is not allowing yourself to be continually told “We’ll get there, just let me give away this last little bit of the farm.” Strength is knowing when to say, “I’ve had enough, you’ve been given MULTIPLE chances to demonstrate your integrity, and you’ve not only FAILED, you’ve gleefully celebrated your failure and turned around and tried to sell it as marginal success.” Strength is walking away from your abuser and thumbing your nose at the “You’ll be sorry” bullshitters. Feudalism is already here, brought to you by its faithfull servants in the executive office, the halls of congress, and lofty seats of the judiciary.
Foul language does not bother me at all.
If the “opposition” is divided and then conquered – who’s fault is that?
Liz, thanks for sending this to the Obama campaign team. Please let me know if you get a response, although I’m not holding my breath.
divide,what is this DIVIDE… you speak about…all the paid off pols are on the same page…no matter what letter is after their name…born yesterday ,we are not
Give him a paper plate, a can of pork and beans, some plastic silverware, a can opener, and a napkin, and say, “Here, help yerself.”
The “divide” is evident right here. The divide is the progressives fighting (or trying to convert
) the not-on-the-exact-same-page progressives (see the post referencing Nazi’s above).
Yes, all the major pols are essentially the same, the opposition to them is what is divided.
The pols, of both parties, have successfully (so far – there is my Leibnizian optimism again, damn!) divided opposition to them.
“The progressive movement IS in trouble. It’s in trouble because it’s been hijacked by a marketing huckster in the White House”
I agree with that assessment. Yet, the “opposition” to that, and presumably to the GOP also, is what? As I see it it is in disarray fighting among themselves.
Strength can be different things, one of which you state above. Strength against a common foe does not come via infighting and nit-picking.
A bunch of small groups all fighting for slightly different aspects of the same thing has no chance of succeeding.
You’ll soon discover, as Norquist did, that such “Pledges”, while noble, hold little to no sway within current party structures.
Progessive Democrats need to split from the party and ally themselves with Labor. Make a fresh start…it’s the only way.
“I do wonder what the ‘arrangements’ are in reality.”
Dining in the kitchen with the rest of “the help”?