Sam Stein writes yesterday in the Huffington Post that the notion that co-ops will do anything to solve our health care crisis has already been debunked:
The U.S. General Accounting Office produced a report on cooperatives in March 2000 that was mostly sour on the idea. Using five different co-ops as examples, the study concluded that on the key function — lowering the cost of insurance — these non-profit insurance pools came up well short.
"The cooperatives’ potential to reduce overall premiums is limited because (1) they lack sufficient leverage as a result of their limited market share; (2) the cooperatives have not been able to produce administrative cost savings for insurers; or (3) their state laws and regulations already restrict to differing degrees the amount insurers can vary the premiums charged different groups purchasing the same health plan."
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And without a large number of participants, co-ops essentially were subject to the whims of the insurance market, unable to use market influence to get consumers better deals on coverage. "None of the purchasing cooperatives we reviewed had a large enough market share to create bargaining leverage and therefore had a limited ability to significantly increase the percentage of small employers offering coverage in their state," the study found.
Fellow blogger Scarecrow noted the same thing, highlighting a Commonwealth report with similar findings. As Senator Rockefeller explained, co-ops are untested, unstudied, and so far, cannot work:
Without a public health insurance option, health reform will not result in lower costs. Therefore, without a public health insurance option, health reform will not work.
Need more evidence? The New York Times dumps all over co-ops today, saying they’re "ill-defined." What’s more, apparently a current insurance industry bad actor, Blue Cross Blue Shield, could be a co-op:
Mr. Conrad’s own state demonstrates the uncertainties surrounding cooperatives. Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Dakota dominates the state’s private insurance market, collecting nearly 90 percent of premiums. As a nonprofit owned by its members, the company would hope to qualify as a co-op under federal legislation, said Paul von Ebers, its incoming president and chief executive.
It’s fairly clear that if co-ops mean Blue Cross Blue Shield, with their double-digit rate hikes, we’re going to be stuck with the status quo.
That’s the policy reasoning. Now for the politics.
Co-ops are being sold as a bipartisan deal. Accept co-ops in the Senate, we’re told by those negotiating this deal (Senators Max Baucus, Jeff Bingaman, and Kent Conrad on the Democratic side, and Mike Enzi, Chuck Grassley, and Olympia Snowe on the Republican side), and we’ll have a bipartisan deal that can pass the Senate.
That’s wishful thinking. As the Times said, "What is certain is that, as a substitute for a government plan, the co-op concept disappoints many liberals and stirs little enthusiasm among insurers or Republican lawmakers."
Republicans as a party in the Senate oppose the co-op proposal:
- Mitch McConnell, the No. 1 Republican in the Senate, opposes them
- John Cornyn, head of the NRSC, opposes them as well
- Jon Kyle, the minority whip, is against it
- Jim DeMint, of Waterloo fame, is against
- Lamar Alexander is leaning away from it
- Tom Coburn is opposed
- Senator Hatch said “You can call it a co-op, which is another way of saying a government plan.”
- And the RNC thinks they’re just as bad as a public option (with conservative media outlets following suit)
There’s a lot of GOP leadership in that above list, but even more importantly, two out of the three Republican Senators negotiating themselves oppose co-ops. Senator Grassley is opposed and Senator Enzi is really opposed.
On top of that, the only way Grassley will support a bill is if a ton of other Republicans support it as well:
In an interview today on MSNBC’s "Morning Meeting with Dylan Ratigan," Senate Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R) said he’d vote against any health-care reform bill coming out of the committee unless it has wide support from Republicans — even if the legislation contains EVERYTHING Grassley wants.
"I am negotiating for Republicans," he said. "If I can’t negotiate something that gets more than four Republicans, I’m not a good negotiator."
When NBC’s Chuck Todd, in a follow-up question on the show, asked the Iowa Republican if he’d vote against what Grassley might consider to be a "good deal" — i.e., gets everything he asks for from Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D) — Grassley replied, "It isn’t a good deal if I can’t sell my product to more Republicans."
In short, Grassley says he’s willing to walk away from legislation in which he gets everything he wants.
So how is there a bipartisan deal here? Even if Grassley and Enzi agree on a deal in committee, it’s unlikely to get their support on the floor. And with GOP leadership so set against co-ops, I don’t see other Republicans voting for it, either.
(Bill Scher at the Campaign for America’s Future has more.)
(also posted at the NOW! blog)
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It seems pretty clear Republicans don’t want to pass any legislation that President Obama could cite as evidence of health care reform. It’s unfortunate, but the reality is that it makes no sense to deal with a Republican party that has made clear it trades in deception, is willing to gin up baseless fears, and does not truly want to negotiate, unless it can dictate the terms.
Are you suggesting Obama’s passion for bipartisanship is misplaced? Or naive? or calculated to provide cover?
I don’t know anything about health co-ops, but it seems that the points made on why they don’t really work (not enough participants/market share to lower costs or have leverage) would change if they became a focus of health reform legislation. They may be small now, but if they became a focus, wouldn’t they grow significantly, giving them leverage, a large-enough pool of participants to not be “subject to the whims of the insurance industry?”
I think you may be on to something about co-ops potentially having some power if they are large enough–e.g. on a national scale. I don’t think that’s being discussed–of course, the whole discussion around co-ops is so vague that it’s hard to tell
If the co-ops are national, available everywhere on day one, and accountable to voters and Congress, then they can be called co-ops and I’d support them, because they would be a real public option.
This is good. Gives Obama cover to say screw you Kommander Konrad and the Repubs. In a nice polite way of course…
And I’d suggest this was easily predictable, so I’m guessing Obama was assuming this would happen all along. He’s just letting everyone reveal their cards and he’ll make his play.
I hope, I hope, I really do hope…
Jason
There won’t be a single national coop that will somehow be the PO by another name. There will be snively local jokes designed to accomplish their real purpose: to prevent the public from getting enough negotiating power with the insurers, big pharma and big medicine to control out of control costs and waste. In short, they will accomplish nothing.
Jane is right, they will never get hardcore ideologue rethug support but they will get the support of the bought-and-paid-for members of our own party, because they’re acceptable to the corporate lobbies that own them.
And we need to call them out for what they are – a sham to maintain the status quo for the insurers while transfering some
costs from the consumer to the taxpayer, without real savings.
There’s no way Republicans would support a national co-op, you’re right. They won’t even support them as they are now.
That said, the HELP version of the public option was called a “community” option, so if they want to screw around with the names, that’s fine with me. It’s principles that I care about.
the worse problem is that healthy co-ops did exist. I belonged to one. A program was started to support non-profit health care groups and co-ops in the early 70’s. They were supported by a Kennedy bill.
By the 90’s most of these were dystroyed by insurance companies. They simply underpriced there policies to large groups until they dystroyed these groups ability to compete. Blue Cross did this in RI and most others like them went under. There are a few good ones in rural areas because insurance cos. can not make much money there. Grand Junction CO. Has a good one. Insurance companies are likely to do this again. Large insurance cos can afford to undercut these programs until they go under.
If congress does not know this happened they could not build in protections against this. So far I write my congressman about it in CO and get form letters back.
Who is gonna run the co-ops, anyway? I mean, I know Conrad and TradMed keeps saying they are “member-run” but what members will have time to run them? They will hire someone to run them. And who will they hire? Insurance companies, that’s who.
Does anyone really think that insurance companies will run the little regional co-ops in any way that allows them to compete with the insurance companies?
This is a sick joke designed to ensure continued, and vastly expanded, health insurance company profits. It needs to be strangled in its crib. Should have happened a long time ago, actually.
Exactly. Who’s got time to run a co-op? We’re in a recession.
Didn’t Blue Cross start as a co-op in California? And didn’t they also start as a co-op in Dakota, where Conrad’s from? Except now they are for-profit and have more than seventy percent of the market in his state.
Anyone who falls for this is a moron.
and the whole right-wing of america just swooned … :)
Yep, all the Blues did. And look what happened.
in all seriousness, my guess is outsourced to the big network-structure insurers. You’re very own local friendly poor-man’s Blue-Cross-Blue-Shield HMO! It may even come with a death panel, on which your rethug neighbors will probably have representation ;-P
Yeah, I totally agree.
We don’t need no stinkin’ co-ops.
And why does Dakota get four Senators, anyway, when California gets only two?
Because, Silly, Senators are more expensive in California.
But ours hardly ever stay bought!
Sorta like pantyhose. The snag and run and then you have to buy a new pair everyday?
Will Repukes use corruptness in Obama administration to kill health-care? Will Nancy Pelosi be our next prez if Biden is in the loop?
This co-op dance will go on for a while to serve it’s purpose; dragging out the process longer to try to starve the oxygen out of reform.
Next, Republicans won’t be happy unless the legislation is broken up into pieces, thereby making more opportunity for death by 1000 cuts.
The President and leadership need to reframe this, like the famous answer to some Zen Koans; “Mu.” As in the framing of the question must be rejected.
They need to come out of the gates swinging with pressure on the Blue Dogs and laugh out loud at ‘bi-partisanship,’ saying “Change has come TO Washington. Eat it.”
“They need to come out of the gates swinging with pressure on the Blue Dogs and laugh out loud at ‘bi-partisanship,’ saying “Change has come TO Washington. Eat it.”
We can dream…
You nailed it!
“We do need to get it right. We need take the time to do it. I think the only way it will happen is we need to break it down into smaller parts than we have now and put it through one at a time.” – Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming), one of the “Gang of Six”.
How stupid does one have to be to actually fall for this coop bullshit? The only way a coop could ever have a snowball’s chance in hell of working is if it were nationally organized – and that will never happen. Local coops will be forced to capitulate to the whims of big insurance or they will be crushed. This ain’t exactly brain surgery…
Blue Texan is upstairs at the Mothership!
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Obama’s blind faith in bipartisanship is obviously his Achilles heel. And he’s from Chicago?
Medicare for all!
Jane is upstairs!
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Co-ops that work in competition with large investor-owned corporations do so because there is tight regulation that (1) defines a niche for them, such as “rural” and (2) corporations are strictly regulated, such as through public utility commissions. And typically they deal with business situations that are marginal at best and losing propositions at worst for large corporations seeking large profits; after all rural electrification was needed because large (for the time) power companies wouldn’t deliver the service.
When Hatch says that co-ops are a government takeover, he is talking about how strict regulation would have to be for coops to survive.
Personally, I think Obama should put the thing in gear and run right over all the lying, hypocritical wingnuts. It might be good to remember the words of Albert Einstien – “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used to create them. Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds.”
It might also be good to remember that the head of nazi propaganda believed and was well known for his strong belief that if you just tell a lie often enough and loud enough, it becomes the truth.
Really liked your chat with Rachel tonight.
Is the public option necessary if competition can be generated in other ways, such as repealing antitrust protections that health insurance companies enjoy and enforcing antitrust law? Is it then satisfactory to use coops? I think it would help sidestep the “socialized medicine” argument. Thoughts please.
Ryan
Elburn, IL
want to know where Conrad is getting his money: Go to
http://www.opensecrets.org/pol…..cycle=2008
Headlines at Huff Post say Dems saying screw the Repub and Obama to appeal to moral imperative.
Seems like things are moving rather fast right now. But who knows.
My pain specialist said today that it’s way too early to let myself be stressed out over the health care reform legislation, that we had a very, very long way to go yet. Which, I’m sure is true, but I’m still super stressed over all the insanity and the effort to try and keep up with all the info.
Blessings and thanks to all