The federal appeals court in D.C. has just ruled in favor of Comcast in their suit against the FCC regarding net neutrality. Before I get into the actual ruling, it’s worth reminding folks what net neutrality is and what current law is.
Net neutrality refers to the practice of treating all Internet traffic equally regardless of type or source. It means whatever telecom company provides you Internet (cable, phone, etc…) can’t serve you the information you request at faster or slower speeds depending on what you request. News articles from the New York Times have to be served to your computer at the same speed as articles on this blog.
This equality with respect to content is what makes the Internet the amazing communications medium it is today. I can set up a blog and publish on the Internet just like media giants like NewsCorp. And my content and NewsCorp’s has to be served to anyone who wants it at the same speed. They might be a giant multinational company and I might be a blogger working from my basement, but to an Internet service provider, we’re equal. This allows startups like YouTube to exist – they don’t have to pay telecom companies to get preferential treatment, they can just set up shop and pay their bandwidth costs like anyone else.
Obviously, telecom companies see a big source of income in all this. They’d love to be able to charge, say, Google a big fee to keep its searches moving to users at top speed. But that means big companies will have the speed advantage on the Internet, wiping out everyone else.
Currently, net neutrality is a tradition, one that is supported and enforced by the FCC. Congress never passed a bill saying net neutrality was the law of the land, but up until recently no telecom company had violated net neutrality’s spirit. Then Comcast decided to slow down peer-to-peer traffic on its network, treating traffic differently based on source or content and violating net neutrality. The FCC used its regulatory authority to stop Comcast and Comcast sued. Hence today’s decision.
Today, this court has ruled basically that under current law, the FCC does not have regulatory authority over a telecom companies "network management practices." If Congress would like to give the FCC that power, it needs to pass a law to do so. Here’s the introductory paragraph from the decision [pdf]:
In this case we must decide whether the Federal Communications Commission has authority to regulate an Internet service provider’s network management practices. Acknowledging that it has no express statutory authority over such practices, the Commission relies on section 4(i) of the Communications Act of 1934, which authorizes the Commission to “perform any and all acts, make such rules and regulations, and issue such orders, not inconsistent with this chapter, as may be necessary in the execution of its functions.” 47 U.S.C. § 154(i). The Commission may exercise this “ancillary” authority only if it demonstrates that its action—here barring Comcast from interfering with its customers’ use of peer-to-peer networking applications—is “reasonably ancillary to the . . . effective performance of its statutorily mandated responsibilities.” Am. Library Ass’n v. FCC, 406 F.3d 689, 692 (D.C. Cir. 2005). The Commission has failed to make that showing. It relies principally on several Congressional statements of policy, but under Supreme Court and D.C. Circuit case law statements of policy, by themselves, do not create “statutorily mandated responsibilities.” The Commission also relies on various provisions of the Communications Act that do create such responsibilities, but for a variety of substantive and procedural reasons those provisions cannot support its exercise of ancillary authority over Comcast’s network management practices.
The decision was written by Judge Tatel, a Clinton appointee, with no dissents.
This is, without a doubt, a big blow to net neutrality. The administration had, in some sense, hoped to avoid passing net neutrality legislation through Congress. Instead, it nominated Julius Genachowski as FCC Chairman, and he’s been an outspoken proponent of net neutrality and the FCC’s authority to enforce it. And they moved ahead with their broadband plan, one that relies on net neutrality. Now it seems like to get what they want out of their broadband plan – which means jobs, money to communities, education, and the like and is a big priority – they’re going to need to pass a net neutrality bill through Congress.
The prospects for such a bill are uncertain. Net neutrality is enemy #1 for the telecom companies, and they have lots of money to spend on astroturf campaigns and lobbyists. Members of Congress have in the past stood with them instead of us. They’re also very good at making up reasons for why net neutrality is supposedly bad for America – things like it will kill competition or raise service prices – all of which are universally untrue. And of course, the right wing, led by the likes of Glenn Beck, is taking what is basically an argument for unfettered entrepreneurship and twisting it into a government plot to control the Internet.
It’s now squarely up to Congress and the administration to stand up to the rich telecoms and protect the basic freedom that has made the Internet what it is. Otherwise, we’ll soon be paying for our Internet – which is already some of the most expensive and slowest in the developed world – like this:




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this sux
Yeah. I think you can imagine how good of a job Congress is likely to do on this issue…
Will make for some good Theatre. Might be as entertaining as when Zucker was in the Senate hearings regarding Comcasts’ purchase of NBC/Universal.
I wonder who will win this battle. Can’t wait for the time in the US that all News is produced and distributed by one very large corporate entity and who’s Internet policy’s (where alternate news sources are viewed as subversive) are outside of any Regulatory control.
Dreamy
We have to hope Congress gets at this point that no Net Neutrality means bandwidth to the netroots will drop like a rock. Falling netroots bandwidth means falling netroots money to them.
Don’t need Congress to fix
Bush FCC deregulated via moving internet out from under telecom rules – current FCC can just put the internet back under those rules and the problem is solved – telephone regulation has yet to be totally killed.
IF OBAMA ACTUALLY WANTS TO GO AGAINST CORPORATE POWER AND SOLVE THE NET NEUTRALITY PROBLEM HE CAN ON HIS OWN SOLVE IT.
But don’t expect our corporate President Obama to do more than speak in favor of net neutrality – he is no Hillary and has, as far as I can see, no backbone to go up against corporate power – in any area.
big time
NN R.I.P. 2010
After this ruling the telecoms will all rush to do away with it, preempting any legal or legislative processes by creating facts on the ground.
Actually, Google might be able to preserve NN, but only if they pony up the cash to buy a few Senators and Representatives.
Yep. This isn’t quite a big corporations vs. little guys fight. Big players like Google really want net neutrality, too.
Or, google can buy a telecom.
The winger bill will be called True blue neutrality and leave it to the providers to administer.
and leave it to the providers to administer.
We’re gonna have to give them a sufficient amount of (taxpayer-funded) cash to administer this thing properly. That would sorta perfect the insult, right?
Notice the tie-in to
Anyone else smell some foul smelling stuff?
Another looting of the Treasury by corporate interest maybe. Let the Treasury pay for National Broadband Infrastructure and then hand it over to Comcast, Verizon, ATT and the rest but it will be somewhere in a “Net Neutrality Bill”
I can see our Pres now, ‘But we had to negotiate, to compromise, to reach across the Isle’
Government expanding broadband infrastructure is something that should be supported, IMO. But only if it’s done in a net neutral way.
I agree Jason.
There are other ways besides financing or paying for it that the Federal Government can use to support Nationwide Broadband. Our Internet capacity is a joke compared to virtually all other Industrialized nations. And I view our current substandard Internet capacity as being directly related to our protected Telcom industry.
There are areas of the country where Telco Co-Ops have been allowed to compete with the Baby Bells. The result has been exceptional service and rates.
Ding.
The administration had, in some sense, hoped to avoid passing net neutrality legislation through Congress.
Well that “hope” is right out the window, isn’t it? Time to step up. As per usual, I won’t hold my breath.
Is this ruling now headed for a hearing with The Supremes?
It’s unclear if the government will appeal. This ruling wasn’t too much of a surprise – many experts and academics thought the FCC exceeded its present authority in regulating in this way. So the government might not even take it to the Supremes if it feels the case is too weak.
Either way, the fix is legislation.
If net neutrality has to be passed through Congress (because, for some reason, the FCC doesn’t have authority to regulate it already?! What a silly determination!) then we don’t want any net neutrality legislation.
Look what happened with “health care reform”. Basically, a populist initiative that was intended to reform the health care provision system and level the playing field that was tilted in favor of corporate interests went into the Democratic-controlled Congress … and resulted in further tilt towards corporate interests.
The exact same thing would happen with net neutrality legislation. The exact same political economy that turned a real health care reform movement with politicians who got elected promising real reform into another enhancement of corporate profits at cost to everyone will produce “net neutrality reform” that prioritizes giving Comcast et al more of what they want while probably just requiring the rest of us to buy telco services whether we want to or not, with the IRS serving as Comcast’s knee-capping enforcer.
The Obama Democrats have demonstrated that they are not able to or probably even interested in governing in the public interest. The fewer issues they take on where the public has any interest, the better …
The very key difference with hcr is that we already have net neutrality so non-action is not tenable. A popular movement to maintain, in this rare instance, a healthy status quo is what we need now. And it exists – see my comment #69 – but it remains to be seen whether we win.
Well-constructed blog. I don’t quite understand the connection between net neutrality and this decision, however.
As for telecoms, weren’t they broken up back in the day. Here we are come full circle. The Clinton administration had a hand in this, of course. Verizon ran with the ball in the 1990s. And here we are.
The FCC regulated Comcast to keep net neutrality after Comcast violated it. The Court ruled they didn’t have the right to.
In your blog, it was about P2P networking. How does this violate net neutrality? Seems to be a matter of protocol rather than equal access.
Discriminating based on a single protocol, as opposed to perhaps a class of protocols, is still a violation. Even discrimination based on protocol is tricky and creates some real issues.
P2P does have its issues for those who covet IP, including artists and writers.
Maybe the corporate attack on the internet will wake people up. It is yet another issue that we have in common with much of the right, Glenn Beck notwithstanding. Heck, it might even wake up the kossacks, although that might be hoping for too much. But the decision is exactly why legislation is necessary. If Obama and the Congress wanted this they could get this done by the 4th of July.
We all know how corporatist Obama and Democrats are but another avenue, and one I would enjoy seeing is an anti-trust investigation of Comcast and similar providers.
Hugh, come on.
You really think more than a handful of teabagger could comprehend the concept selective internet bandwidth filtering?
Depends on the geographic area of the country you’re questioning …
It won’t wake people up (as you well know; I say this because you are smart and have some of the best lists on the planet).
What I miss is an explanation of peer to peer networks and why that’s important to net neutrality.
Net neutrality says you can’t discriminate based on source. Peer networks are a source, just like any other web site or applications is a source. Therefor, you can’t just slow down peer to peer traffic and still be net neutral. It’s either all traffic or none.
No it isn’t. A ‘source’ as you are describing is an IP ADDRESS. Not a protocol. Throttling, or more accurately giving precedence to during congestion, a non-real-time protocol over another is not limiting a source, idea, ideology or company. Besides, P2P traffic can be obsfucated and the ISP cannot determine whether it is even P2P traffic. Not only that P2P will have a growing litany of legitimate uses, so it won’t be in their interest to throttle, limit it, or block it, other than giving precedence to other protocols.
I said source or content.
Not seeing the word content in any of your comments. But discriminating on the content of the message is what I think people are worried about. Or perhaps an Internet payola scheme where one company is given precedence over another, say Amazon.com getting a faster privileged connection to everyone versus Apple iBooks through payment or cross-marketing arrangements. Clearly unacceptable.
Damned! Guess we gotta hope for some courage from the corrupted.
I’m sure Obama and Congress will devise a solution that pleases the corporations, like they did with health care ‘reform.’
I’ve been trying to get people interested in this issue since I was on the Randi Rhodes board…years ago. Everybody was all “ho-hum”.
I wonder if they’ll pay attention now?
It’s like when Comcast came out in the early ’80′s with their pitch that you could buy their product and it wouldn’t have ads like regular TEEVEE. THAT sure changed fast and now, you even have to PAY for their crappy movies. Where, at first, they had a couple of pretty good ones every month, even if they played them over and over and over and….
Which legislators can we buy?
they’re all for $ale. shall we hold bake sales? i’m for withholding votes or, an idea i saw here on another thread, an organized write-in vote drive.
Giving precedence to certain IP protocols (such has H.323 and VoIP, other real time protocols) over others is simply going to be needed for these services to function and packet switched technology to finally supplant circuit switched technology. That is perfectly acceptable.
However, if they start throttling bandwidth because of WHOM you are or WHAT ideas you represent, this is clearly BS. I think not too many people have a firm grasp of the difference here.
Protocols is touchy. I might be able to support giving preference too *all* real time protocols, but just giving preference to a few means some can get left out. And that’s still a really tricky area.
But that’s not really what this is about anyway.
Qwest currently has a clause in the Service Agreement that states they are currently throttling and will based on specific parameters.
Cause you are buying consumer grade service. This is nothing new. Get business class, pay a hell of a lot more money for essentially the same service if not a higher throughput, you can do with your pipe what you want.
I don’t think it comes so much to that as just garden-variety IP.
What the case stemmed from is Comcast throttling certain protocols used by particular P2P software under the claim that this traffic was clogging their networks.
At first they tried to deny it but was later proven to be true, so they admitted and got sued.
And that is the platform they are taking; network management, whether or not they have insidious ulterior motives is hard to say.
I should think clogged networks a valid reason to take matters in hand. The question is who should take such matters in hand. It should be the role of the FCC, but it was gutted by Clinton and demolished by Bush.
Am I wrong, or is this one area where we actually have some clout. If the users, (that means us), refuse to use Comcast as our provider, won’t that have an impact? We are the customers. In masse, we can speak against this practice.
That’s great as long as the Internet remains a useful OPTION. What about when society evolves around it like it did the Automobile? Then the government declares driving a PRIVILEGE even though one can hardly survive without driving? So you get caught sharing a 45 second clip of a TV show and they cut you off by putting your Internet License Number on a blacklist, even though you will hardly be able to pay your bills, make a phone call, look at your bank account without it? Nice huh? I am sure that can be easily integrated with the National ID Card requirements passed in 2005 I think?
The Internet is the only way any kind of progressive message gets through at all.
I already pointed out that the type of traffic, i.e. the protocol used in technical terms, is what Comcast has one the right to filter. They weren’t granted the right to manipulate.
Now, if I have a website decrying Jews and denying the Holocaust, a site promoting the belief in the rapture, an I LOOOVEEEE OBAMA website, and they start slowing down a traffic flow simply because they don’t agree with the message, then that is what the true message of neutrality should be about.
Every traffic that flows on the Internet is based on a protocol, defined mostly by the IEEE. Your web browser is using HTTP (Hyper Text Transfer PROTOCOL). Sometimes to transfer large files, we use FTP (File Transfer Protocol). It doesn’t usually matter if I have to wait an extra few seconds to open a web page or transfer a large file.
It makes a big difference when I try to stream a video using H.323 format streaming protocol or using VoIP voice (mpeg over Internet PROTOCOL) and I get constant video re-buffers or stuttering and dropouts in my 911 call using the VoIP service they (Comcast among others) have been marketing feverishly for years. This is collectively known as Quality of Service (QoS) Management and will become more important as content is more and more transferred to the Internet and not on plastic disks via Snail Mail.
If Comcast starts blocking my streaming media because it’s robot starts detecting too many flesh tones embedded in the video stream (which by the way would be exceedingly difficult to do with any accuracy) then I will be up in arms! If they try to slow down my access to FDL, but speed me up if I go to FOX news, THEN I will be pissed! This is the difference between net neutrality and Traffic Management. If the government truly tries to manage the Internet like a traffic cop tries to manage the real highway, then I will be furious, etc.!
Thank you for the clarity and transparency. A couple points.
1. The Democrats serve corporate interests not the people.
2. The Republican party serves the extreme side of corporatism and the investor profit.
3. Transparency is now left to the blogisphere. Net nuetrality defends that little window of truth. So this decision move us closer to the Big Brother mentality that they know what is best for us. And it is another way of extracting more of our incomes and creating a business model that will be adopted universally like the Enron models were that eventually destroyed the global economy.
I agree 100% with your general take, but for this: “Transparency is now left to the blogisphere” [sic]. If defending transparency is now left to the blogosphere then we’re in trouble indeed since that medium, as we’ve been discussing, could soon become the object of a catch-22 by the very institution we’re opposing – the Telecoms. The internet, lest we forget, is merely the most fantastic tool for communication available, emphasis on “tool”. It is certainly not the source of our hopes and desires, nor perhaps even the best means to unify and express our anger over what’s going on here. Also lest we forget, “net,” as in “internet” and “net neutrality,” is short for “network.”
By virtue of that plodding segue, let’s remember those lines from the great film, “Network,” one of the most prescient films ever: “Things have got to change my friends. You’ve got to get mad. You’ve got to say, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!” Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open your window, stick your head out and yell, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!”
Here’s the entire monologue which is brilliant: http://www.whysanity.net/monos/network3.html
Now obviously the character in this role is nuts but his idea isn’t. Howard Beale’s broad point is that we have to go beyond all media to find our collective voice. Not by shouting from the window but by creating movements for social justice on a scale which cannot be ignored. The blogosphere is a tool for that but too often I get the sense that this tech generation thinks of it not as a tool but as the end, itself.
We have to remember that it’s not the blogosphere but the atmosphere which is still the most important medium for communication. In the blogosphere, no matter how united our voice seems, we sit apart as a fractured entity. The blogosphere they can shut down. No movement will ever take place IN the blogosphere, though a serious social movement today would be somewhat hampered without it. But a social movement doesn’t NEED the blogosphere. If they shut down the atmosphere, well, need I say more…..
And switch to whom?
Most areas the cable provider has a de facto monopoly.
Even as we speak, Obama may be in a secret meeting, selling net neutrality down the river.
Citizens United in Comcast, corporations are websites too.
It looks to me like this new distribution of speed just begs a slower site to sue a faster site on monopoly or anti-trust issues. No?
rulings like this is what you get when you load the court with corporatist right-wing interventionist activist shills…
From the article:
Remember, during the days of Bush1, Bush2 and Reagan, we all used to think, “if only we can hold out until the next election” and “don’t want to send this case up to this court”?
Lot of good that’s done us now.
Ha, so true. Oh the nostalgia.
One more thing, I cannot believe no one has picked up on a couple really serious developments: Not long ago Congress was picking up an initiative to force any provider (ISP, public wifi, private wifi or website) record all client data of everyone that ever used their service network or device! The technical feasibility is not currently possible, but like all the new cars record the last 5 seconds of brakes, throttle, steering, RPM, etc. I can see a snitch chip being embedded into a lot of devices once the memory density is high enough to record a useful amount of data (like a home router) and special nearline storage making recording meaningful net traffic easy.
Second: The growing push to make the ISP and other services responsible for the content that people transmit or store. This will stab in the back any attempt at so-called network neutrality because the businesses will be forced to evaluate data based on content or companies and their directors will be held criminally and civilly liable!!
These two developments are far more dangerous IMHO.
A few of us did. My brothers and I decided we’d build a Van or SUV, with capabilities sort of like the Nebuchadnezzar in identifying and tapping into AP’s.
We were doing it in jest, maybe not so funny anymore …
That is why this is short sighted of the ISPs. Right now they are shielded from the responsibility by network neutrality. If they destroy it, they will open up new revenue streams, but also leave them selves wide open for content.
It does not take too much imagination to to see that the ISPs, in order to protect them selves, will refuse to carry anything but major sites. The internet will become interactive cable TV.
Thought this decision was about piracy, no? Or is that something we’re arguing for, since all writers and artists must be filthy rich, we deserve to get their work for free.
Nope. Net Neutrality is mostly about bandwidth suppliers getting to pick and choose what websites get bandwidth, and what other websites get to wait for available bandwidth whenever they feel like it.
Some Internet telephone services like Skype are p2p. Would their users have anything to worry about? Could this ruling have any effect on telephone companies and users in their networks, such as a right to discriminate in the quality of service offered to different customers?
Also worth noting, it seems Congress may not have to act if the FCC rolls back Bush era deregulation. We’ll see how it develops.
I am probably one of the least tech savvy people here, but then that helps me relate to a broader spectrum of the public than usual. This is an easy PR win as the graphic demonstrates. Just say, “If you don’t want your internet bill to look like your cable bill, you support net neutrality. The beauty of the internet is that you can access anything you want any time of day or night from virtually (haha) anywhere. Without net neutrality, they’re going to block the link from Faux News to Redstate because you didn’t buy the additional package that includes Redstate. And, oh by the way, that package also includes Firedoglake.”
All this siding with business and money will result in the US becoming a vast wasteland, where even a typical CEO cannot afford a Lexus or Mercedes Benz. They can all congregate on Manhattan Island with nothing in the boonies except pollution, weeds and overbearing heat.
The First Nations may get it all back, but probably not want it.
I have a real problem with this. I (along with Ohio tax payers) paid a ton in taxes for Ohio to develop a statewide Broadband initiative in order to grow economic endeavors for the whole state. The idea was that Broadband could allow for a business development “equality” where small business would have equal access to customers via Broadband as larger businesses. I also paid extra taxes for my hometown to become the first fully Broadband connected community in the state again primarily for economic development. Net neutrality made the pitch of equal access possible.
Should this “happen” I would like Comcast to pay all the Ohio tax payers back every dime the state has spent in Broadband development because to date it has cost Comcast zip.
So I got to pay for the utility development and I pay for the service and I get to pay yet again.
Don’t even let me get started about all the crap Comcast is pulling here in Oregon.
I avoid Comcast like the plague!
Comcast is not the only carrier of this plague, however!
It’s a slippery slope that goes back to the dawn of civilization, so-called.
And it didn’t have to be that way.
Check out how a small little rural Telco Co-Op after petitioning the FCC to compete with a baby bell, practically ran that baby bell out of business. All subscribers have multiple fiber, pulled to their premises, with rates similar or lower than most. With no direct payment from our Treasury.
From a small rural Co-Op. here
I didn’t mind tax dollars going for the development of Broadband to bring business/economic development opportunity to especially hard hit areas of Ohio. But a loss of net neutrality will kill the “equality” aspect which was the intended pitch to tax payers and a beneficial goal of business/economic development. Without net neutrality, the small business opportunities are going to fold due to the giants.
Exactly.
And the other side to this debate is with net neutrality, telecoms will have to invest in their infrastructure to bring us faster service. Without it, they can just throttle stuff to keep the network on the systems they have, which are rapidly becoming inadequate. So they’re hiding behind net neutrality as an excuse to not invest in better infrastructure.
Jason,
Now, I wonder how a judge will be able to rule in favor of the corporate individual over the rights of the living breathing individual? Sounds like discrimination to me. Especially since the living breathing individuals paid for Broadband development.
Just thinking out loud.
It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out on that front.
So if I could update the firmware in my car and make it get 10mpg better gas mileage and do a 1/4 mile 4 tenths of a second faster for $200, you think I should go buy a new $3000 engine to achieve the same result? Hmmm, interesting. It must be nice to be filthy rich.
You upgrading your car and billion dollar telecom companies preferring to put profits into Wall Street instead of into better infrastructure have just about nothing in common.
Yes that is a very good analogy. If I simply pay an engineer to reprogram my switching and routing equipment and I get 25% better throughput rather than replace every switch and router in my network, I think I illustrated it very well. I am trying to keep my comments as non-technical as possible, but trust me I know what I am talking about and will get as technical as you’d like.
That’s exactly my point. Comcast and others should be focused on building better pipes so our broadband doesn’t have to be so slow and expensive in this country. Instead, they’re focused on harassing their paying customers to squeeze more out of what they have.
I have purchased several different types of wide area communications for various businesses, mostly small. I have never seen a contract that didnt have the same boiler plate legalese in it that any software license agreement doesn’t have. None of that ever affected my bandwidth. A business class service is typically unrestricted and it will go as fast as it can go based on the technology it uses.
If my bandwidth didn’t live up to the service agreement I could make a major nuisance of myself whether I was a 3 man operation or 1000 strong, I am still buying the same circuit and have access to the same tier of support. This ruling is not going to change that.
Let’s once again make the separation between content contained within a packet of data and any given network protocol packet that is transferring that content. They are way different aspects of ‘neutrality’.
What is it with this administration?
It’s like every type of corporation is lining up to ream us. The bankers go to bat first, the MIC gets sloppy seconds, health insurers stick it in third, oil is the pinch hitter, now telcom companies are eyeing the treasury.
This is one of those defining moments that will change the Internet forever. Here is corporate abuse along with judicial lobbying that will eventually lead to internet taxes as well as severe truncation to freedom of speech over the internet. The Anti trust investigation is a really good Idea. WE NEED TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND JUDICIAL SYSTEMS. We complain about the Democrats but Why aren’t the Republicans doing their jobs to stop or at least modify – bills and reforms- why? Because our government is out of control and nobody up there cares about US. For that reason we need to move beyond a vote and actually begin to SUE corporations and politicians that act against public interest.
IMHO
When do we expect to have to pay a mandate to pay the Telcos for a regulated 28.8 kbps dial up to the internet?
Overturning this decision through legislation would seem to me to be an issue that can really play to our advantage. Unlike health care, this issue can be presented as a truly populist idea and – heaven forbid – we might get support from the other side and dull the razor sharp differences between us. We could attract some of the independents to the rightness of our side.
With apologies to Robert Greenwald, DO SOMETHING: https://secure.freepress.net/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=439
If you’re not familiar with the group Free Press http://www.freepress.net/ (where the hell have you been?) then get familiar. This ruling in favor of Comcast, as Jason notes, is not the last word on the matter. BUT TIME RUNS OUT IN 2 DAYS for public comment on proposed FCC protections. Let’s get busy supporting net neutrality or this very website may at best become harder to access.
Agree! Free Press is a great organization and they’re really leading on this issue. Savetheinternet.com, their site dedicated to net neutrality, is really great for this stuff as well.
Thanks for acknowledging. Still the chatter goes on when there’s a clear action that people can take. Curious and ominous that chattering rather than acting is the priority of so many people who ostensibly want to change the world. Does not bode well….
I posted the link on another blog. The response was basically ; So what! The FCC hasn’t the authority.
Lot of lethargy/defeatism out there!
Maybe you should change your name to Ahab?
This especially sux since taxpayers have given these companies hundreds of billions to get copper wiring replaced.
Taxpayers have spent about $320 billion for fiber-based networks since the 1990s but have nothing to show for it. In fact, in many states, all schools, libraries and hospitals should have been rewired with fiber optic service as part of changes to state laws that gave AT&T and Verizon billions per state to remove the old copper wiring with new fiber optic wiring. Worse, the money is still being collected today in the form of rate increases, tax breaks and other perks the companies got.
And now (same source), (t)he FCC’s plan is to increase your taxes yet again, by adding broadband to the Universal Service Fund Tax.
Scott Wallstein, who is head economic advisor for the FCC national broadband plan, came to his position from a think tank (Technology Policy Institute) that, according to the Washington Post , is funded by major Internet providers. (What a surprise!)
Some conservative groups do support net neutrality.
ISPs etc have no business throttling any protocol, etc. The internet is for people to determine how we will use it, not for corporations to dictate to people the terms and conditions under which we use the net. The fundamental premise is that the internet does not exist for corporations alone or primarily.
Unfortunately, this is the US, which means that if you are a human person you don’t really matter when it comes to legislation, as legislation definable here as “the process by which corporate-sponsored government officials best serve corporate interests and the plutocracy atop corporate interests.”
So sick of this shit coming from the government, the government will never serve the public interest here, and net neutrality is just another example of the public interest to be cast aside. As far as the prospects for net neutrality legislation are concerned, we only need to look at “health care reform” in order to know what will happen if the Congress tries to take on the neutrality issue. We’ll all be required by law to pay Comcast, largely on Comcast’s terms, with the IRS serving as Comcast’s enforcer.
I couldn’t agree more but we still have to bring the fight. If for no other reason than to justify and ultimately to transcend our cynicism, to realize we have to become more creative thinkers/agitators to get things done. We may even have to think outside of the “Think outside the box” mentality. What happens, for example, if people realize we have to dismantle, or even crush, the box?
See my previous comment, hopefully it will clear up there is an actual technical need to manage traffic on a network. The QoS priority bit has been available in the TCP header of a packet since like almost forever. I forget when it was actually included, but it’s been a reaaaaally long time.
Could it be abused? Perhaps. for example I could probably find a nifty network driver to sit in my IP stack (of drivers) and classify all my data I generate as highest priority. Does that make it fair or right for me to do that? IPV6 is out now anyway and that’s where everything is going and it has extensive traffic management applications built into it. ISP’s will and actually will HAVE TO USE THEM to satisfy the demand.
“Members of Congress have in the past stood with them instead of us.”
No way! I am goig to have to go back and check the record on that…OK, you are right.
Eventually they will see their way – which is for everyone to tune out since nothing gets done.
The only way is to actually run – that is to say you have to actually become a member of Congress and then stand & deliver.
We could ask DK to help us, then he could bail at the last second.
Per website: Public Knowledge back in January
“In reply comments considering the FCC’s National Broadband Plan, Public Knowledge said the best course of action would be to change the regulatory classification of broadband services to make certain of the Commission’s authority. Doing so would remove “the shadow of uncertainty” that has hampered the Commission since 2002, when Internet access services offered by phone companies were removed from Title II jurisdiction under the Communications Act, which governs “common carrier” services like telephone, and placed in a more nebulous Title I. Public Knowledge said that such a reclassification wouldn’t burden the telecommunications industry.
“Without clear legal authority, the Commission might find itself unable to respond to the needs of public safety, unable to protect privacy, and incapable of collecting needed information to ensure that the Internet remains affordable, open and competitive,” said Harold Feld, legal director for Public Knowledge. He added: “The National Broadband Plan will face difficult challenges and stiff resistance from those who benefit from the status quo. A plan built on a shaky foundation cannot carry us into the 21st Century.”
Many telecommunications services are offered today under the “common carrier” category, but the FCC has not heavily regulated them, Public Knowledge said. The same could hold for broadband Internet access, which today is largely the same as other services regulated as “common carriers.” Internet Service Providers “today compete on their ability to move packets to and from the Internet – which is the essence of the provision of basic telecommunications services,” Public Knowledge said. The Commission can change broadband back to a Title II service “simply because it finds that Title II classification would better serve the goals of the National Broadband Plan than the current Title I classification. Title II classification would provide greater certainty and authority for the Commission to implement the goals of the plan,” Public Knowledge said.
The current regulatory regime has failed, PK said, telling the FCC that the predictions of competition made by the FCC in 2002 have not been borne out, and that consumers have the same choices then as they have now. However, the reclassification then caused numerous problems: “In short, rather than create a more flexible regime, Title I classification has merely heightened uncertainty and increased the burden on the Commission when it finds that it must take action to fulfill its broad statutory duties to promote broadband deployment and protect consumers in the digital age.” A recent oral argument before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia circuit was “a rude reminder of the uncertainty over the nature and extent of Commission authority,” PK said.”
Hi I’m new to FDL, but I’ve been following the Colorado races on some local blogs here. I saw my favorite anti-corporate candidate Andrew Romanoff has been active over here on FDL, so this seemed like a good time to chime in. The campaign put out a statement about this already today. I hope you’ll take a second to check it out.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/39309
Thanks!
Stryker
Just received in my inbox from Free Press. A good historical summary of how we got to this juncture and ACTION we must take:
SavetheInternet.com
Help the Internet Stay Open!
Dear ,
The future of the Internet is in grave danger.
A federal appeals court ruled today that the FCC doesn’t have the authority to protect Internet users. The decision means the agency can’t stop Comcast from blocking Web traffic. It can’t carry out the National Broadband Plan. It won’t be able to safeguard Net Neutrality.
Let’s Win Back Control of the Internet:
The FCC Must Act on Our Behalf.
I’m a policy lawyer at Free Press. They don’t usually let me send you e-mails, but today is different. Let me explain how we got into this mess:
Two years ago, the FCC ruled that Comcast could not block online content, and Comcast challenged the ruling in court. Today, the court ruled in Comcast’s favor, effectively placing the Internet in the hands of big phone and cable companies.
This decision exploits a loophole in current law — the result of overzealous deregulation by the Bush administration — that threatens Net Neutrality and leaves the FCC unable to achieve the crucial goals of the National Broadband Plan.
Thankfully, this FCC can correct its predecessors’ mistakes, reassert its authority, and close the loophole. (Get ready, this is a tad complicated.)
The FCC needs to “reclassify” broadband under the Communications Act. In 2002, the FCC decided to place broadband providers outside the legal framework that traditionally applied to companies that offer two-way communications services, like phone companies.
That decision is what first put Net Neutrality in jeopardy, setting in motion the legal wrangling that now endangers the FCC’s ability to protect our Internet rights.
But the good news is that the FCC still has the power to set things right, and to make sure the free and open Internet stays that way. And once we’ve done that, the FCC can ensure that Comcast can’t interfere with our communications, no matter the platform.
That won’t happen unless thousands, even millions, of us take action now.
To be clear: This court decision hurts. But it’s created the opportunity for us to fix what was broken so many years ago.
It’s our Internet, not theirs. Let’s take it back.
Thanks,
Chris Riley
Policy Counsel
http://www.SaveTheInternet.com
http://www.FreePress.net
P.S. We need thousands of new supporters to contact the FCC. Forward this e-mail to your friends and family, and share our action on Twitter and Facebook.
Anyway, has anyone ever read a SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT!! Jesus, if you are pissed about so call net neutrality, actually read one of those next time you install a software product like Windows and your hair will turn a shade of grey! Talk about having no rights!
I’m not kidding. I do not even see how they are enforceable, but they haven’t been too seriously challenged cause the big publishers usually bully any ‘infringer’ into submission before it ever sees a courtroom.
You obviously are a very smart guy or woman, though I’m guessing guy. But what I’m wondering is whether you’ve done a fucking thing – as frustrating and inconsequential as it may seem going forward or turn out in retrospect – to politically protect Net Neutrality? While you fiddle, Rome is about to burn.
I’m assuming neither that you have nor haven’t. Just curious.
I write my congress. Can’t you see my influence all over the health care debate? ROTFLMAO
Gotta go, the FBI is here… ttyl
How’s that cynicism working out for ya? At least you still have your sense of humor, eh?
Damn.. that all sounds familiar for some reason… “piracy!” and “impedes the market!” mixed in with laments of “must be nice to squander other people’s money!”…
The requisite corporate shills have been locked on to this issue like superglue for years. They are in practice and rolling hot…
… but for all that their story is just more of the same old BS, this time hiding behind geek obfuscation.
If FCC has no juridiction on Comcast for Net Neutrality then why does the Comcast levy FCC User Fee on my cable bill. Is this another mandate on subscribers on behalf of Comcast courtesy of lobbyists in washington.