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The depth of intellectual dishonesty that one would have to go through to make this video,war not very important is beyond measure. That those same people, who would imply such, would completely ignore the 500 billion a year/5 trillion in 10 years savings from reigning in the empire/war machine, in an effort maintain their intellectual dishonesty should surprise no one. Give peace a chance, save some kids.
If we don’t this WILL be Iranian and Syrian children. War should not be sanitized for the masses, for the intellectually dishonest or morally bankrupt, its part of the problem.
I had to turn away in horror, I have a child that age, I apply the Golden Rule to my life, thus tolerating this or those who tolerate it isn’t an option, is it for you?
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One has to wonder if much of the past ten years of military activities were broadcast as in the days of Vietnam, if we would not be hanging quite a few of our leaders from lamp posts.
A lot of returning vets work here at the local recycling center. Only job they can get, usually. And one confided in me about the atrocities that he hand his commanding officers and his fellow platoon members committed in Iraq. Not the sort of things I want to think about while falling asleep at night.
The neocons pushing Obummer to war, are much more scary and extreme nutcases than Ron Paul. They are also the reason their are no alternatives to people like Paul since they have gamed both parties with their stooges. Obama being the latest example. ignore the bain capital minutia. It is just neocon kubuki between two of their candidates. It is most important to stop ww 3 in the persian gulf.
I can’t bring myself to watch this video, but agree with you on the importance of supporting the only antiwar candidate, Ron Paul, in the Republican primary races.
Many thanks for your attempts to wake up FDL readers to the fact that supporting Paul in the Repub primaries is our chance to stop the continuing bloodbath of war that every other Repub and Dem candidate running for nomination actively SUPPORTS.
It is so sad to read comments that boil down to this: “War is bad, it’s too bad that the U.S. kills innocent people in other countries every day, but Ron Paul:
(had his name on racist newsletters twenty years ago; opposes the Fed; thinks abortion should be decided state by state; is supported by people who aren’t like us; opposes regulations, etc.). So instead of helping Paul’s antiwar voice be heard across the country, by voting for him in the Repub primary, I will sit out the primaries. In the general election I will demonstrate my contempt for our corrupt system by (not voting/voting for Obama/voting third party). Too bad that the killing will continue, but…”
The suffering and deaths that will continue under Romney/Obama and might be stopped if Paul gets enough votes in the Republican primaries, are not a good enough reason for many FDL “lefties” to cross the line they have drawn for themselves. Even though the Romney/Obama policies are just as destructive of regulation, abortion rights, regulations, etc., as Paul’s.
Many self-professed progressives cling to a self-defeating identification with the very elites who have their boots on our throats, and are profiting so hugely from the out-of-control war machine.
Agree and recommended.
I think I’m with you. Ron Paul still causes me to suffer from a lot of cognitive dissonance, but I absolutely CAN’T vote to kill hundreds of thousands (or millions?) of Iranians.
The slaughter HAS to stop. The NDAA HAS to be repealed. Crony capitalism is worse than anarchy.
The “Hold your nose and vote Obama, or vote third party with no hope of winning” crowd has yet to present a convincing argument for their case – they just lecture about how Paul isn’t really “progressive”. Well, no shit! I’m not stupid. We know Paul’s an anti-SS, anti-Medicare pro-anarchy libertarian. But in this warped political world of lesser-evilism, Obama and the mainstream repubs just look outstandingly more evil. I’m sorry. That’s how I see it.
If anyone has any argument to the contrary, I’m more than willing to hear it. I really don’t want to vote for Paul, honestly. But shit. I don’t want to get sent to gitmo after my tax dollars are used to fund killing gazillions of Iranians, Yemenese, and all the others our covert and overt wars are killing. That whole aspect seems like probably the biggest deal to me.
Also, that’s one of the most horrifying videos I’ve ever seen. No words can describe my reaction. :(
Good job jbade. Maybe now FDL can talk about REAL FUCKING RACISM instead of bullshit wedge issue racism. Maybe one of the clique can come on and tell us how we can vote for some candidate that nobody has ever heard of. THIS IS OBAMA IN ACTION.
Part of the challenge is Obama’s supporters would have to accept that they themselves are responsible for these horrors.
Just like Bush’s supporters before them, their greatest motivation is denial of the pain and suffering they have wrought upon humanity.
People always get the government that reflects them.
This video is our mirror.
To hell with the Republicans AND Democrats. Those who think either party, holds the answer, even an interim one, haven’t been paying attention.
Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson and Darcy Richardson are real, “right-down-the-line” Progressives. Each supports EVERY WORD of the Unified Platform, as opposed to Ron Paul, who (claims to) believe in (maybe) a third of it. And who also believes all this bullshit, which he introduced and/or co-sponsored in the 111th Congress.
Those distracted by Ron Paul (or Barack Obama) are wasting valuable breath and energy – both of which could be put toward encouraging other real Progressives to build a true, lasting, fully (as opposed to cafeteria) Progressive alternative to this entire bankrupt system.
Little confused about the origins of the clip; the ‘see on youtube’ goes to an unfamiliar page.
I’m wondering what you imagine Paul doing to save lives in Syria, though, no matter how you see that situation, as another proxy war, or a tyrant murdering his own people.
Libya: I’m still more bothered by the new government’s treatment of the sub-Saharan Africans, and the mass graves they’ve discovered. Probably not much forensic investigation on the timing, either.
And if the news about a huge NATO base being built in Libya turns out to be so, it should make more supporters of the expanded-far-beyond-the SC resolution concerned that it was largely…another con job.
I dunno. All that aside, I’m glad Paul’s positions in a few areas are widening the political discussion (especially among Librul Democrats in denial), which to me means more people on the right are more ripe for Occupy and revolution. Can’t vote for him, but I also think voting will be pretty irrelevant, and can’t think the PTB will ever let him be the nominee, much less the Prez.
Oops, sorry. Link didn’t work. All this bullshit.
Okay, last try: all this bullshit.
(If still NFG Kelly, pls check my coding! Thx.)
It worked! It worked, tra la!
Anthony, honest question – who has a better chance of winning right now? Paul, or the progressive candidate?
Question #2 – If (and I admit it’s a big if) Paul won, would that make it more likely for a non-Dem progressive to win in the future?
I’m asking out of genuine curiosity, btw. I’m relatively new to politics.
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“can’t think the PTB will ever let him be the nominee, much less the Prez.”
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If things are that hopeless, then what’s the point of even talking about politics???
I agree that there are very powerful forces set against Paul (and real progressive candidates), but if the PTB are really completely all-powerful like that, then why even fight?
I’m not being sarcastic, btw. These questions really do keep me up at night sometimes, because I think the same way sometimes.
“I’m wondering what you imagine Paul doing to save lives in Syria”
How about not bombing/droning/invading them, does that count? Our last three Presidents have all sent US troops off to kill and die, and Ron Paul was opposed to it, every time. I don’t know how many in Bosnia/Iraq/Libya noticed his opposition, but I’ll bet a whole bunch of them noticed their neighbors dieing.
If we could take a poll of ordinary citizens in the various countries where we are seen as a threat, I wonder who’d they’d hope to see next in the White House?
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“If we could take a poll of ordinary citizens in the various countries where we are seen as a threat, I wonder who’d they’d hope to see next in the White House?”
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Wild guess: the same person our active military members want to see in the White House? According to donations from active military members? Brave men and women who don’t actually want to go off carpet bombing random strangers and getting hunted in return?
The question wasn’t addressed to me, but as this is an open forum I feel free to contribute my opinion.
“would that make it more likely for a non-Dem progressive to win in the future?”
Yes, and it scares the living hell out of many on the Left that someone other than them might end some wars, end some civil rights violations, end some corporate corruption in government…
“Wild guess”?
More accurate than that, I think. My dad was a combat vet and once told me no one hates war more than the man slogging through mud with an “idiot stick” in his hands.
its good you did not watch it, just horrible
I was putting myself in the place of a Black individual in prison for a victimless crime in this case drugs where I see the racism 16% use 65% incarceration and ask myself. Would I want Ron Paul for president, a man who will pardon me thus releasing me from prison and effectively restoring my voting rights.
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Obama who is prosecuting the racial injustice against me.
anyone who does not pick Paul needs to spend a month in prison, probably a day will do it
To hell with repubs and dems full agreement brother
nobody is pushing obamney to war he is part of the machine, the establishment -that’s a given
I’m glad you speak for yourself irony :)
He sure doesn’t speak for me, athena1. I don’t give a shit who ends the wars. But in know this:
NOBODY has a better chance of winning RIGHT NOW, because the election is held 10 MONTHS from now. I don’t mean that flippantly. Let me explain.
In my view, the push for Paul is quick-fix bullshit being foisted upon us by his base, which are essentially La-La-Libertarians. This, they believe, is their chance. They know that a swath of Americans is wrongly enamored of common-sense sounding wave of the magic wand fixes. Otherwise, where would credit card debt come from?? And they are using this grandfatherly-looking master of saying one thing on the stump and doing something different in his representative’s seat to attract this easily befuddled group.
The La-La-Libertarian species ranges from the deep south to the – uh, DEEPER south, in what is commonly known as a DREAM WORLD. In La-La-Libertarian territory, no taxes are ever collected; our roads magically engineer and pave themselves; bridges grow between bluffs to span mighty rivers, emergency services go only to those who can afford them (which is – viola! – anyone who WORKS HARD ENOUGH, because POVERTY IS A CHOICE!) and the other basic characteristics of a civilized society (food inspections, health care, drug safety, energy, etc.) well – those things can be entrusted to free marketeers because, you know, they are COMPLETELY TRUSTWORTHY and interested in YOUR WELL BEING above all else – and besides, there’s that old adage, LET THE BUYER BEWARE.
There used to be something called “general principles.” It was the amalgam of a rational person’s beliefs which made it impossible to support any candidate whose own set of defining beliefs – no matter how palatable some of their short-term statements might seem – ran so counter to those of the rational person as to make that the notion of supporting the candidate in any way simply repugnant.
Ron Paul is such a candidate.
There are no quick fixes. We can choose to use the 10 months before the election to RAISE AWARENESS of those other, TRULY Progressive candidates. Dr. Paul is no cure-all. Dr. Paul is a distraction,
To the (exceedingly broader than just the La-La-Libertarians) Progressive body politic, Dr. Paul is bad medicine.
hey, good for you on your post FDL for all things Paul
I had some good comments but they moderated me off, but wanted you to know that a closer look at his promises we have more progressive change in health care actual single in Montana and Vermont if Paul were in
re-import of prescription drugs huge consumer/gov savings
Obama recently boasted that he will keep MIC spending at all time highs
SS & medi HE has put on the table
I am hard core progressive, Paul’s stated position of what he will do very progressive
Because if you don’t fight, athena1, the La-Las will do their best to push the Overton Window further and further to the Right – as if the neolibs aren’t making quick enough work of that already.
Paul is doing to Romney what Obama did to clinton
it is deep to explain, but he definitly has a chance
the system is bizarre- example he will take most if not all the delegates from Iowa I can link you if your interested
All of Western Capitalism (and my friend Anthony Noel) stands opposed to Ron Paul. His candidacy is much more than a distraction. Is the enemy of my enemy my fiend? Honest men can disagree. Ron Paul wants to dismantle the Empire. That is a direct attack on the Oligarchy. Ron Paul wants to end the Fed. That is a direct attack on the Oligarchy. In my opinion the Oligarchy must be defeated as a prerequisite for any progressive agenda. When I see both Jill and Ron on my ballot I will vote for Jill. Until then I say go Ron. Go Jill.
“saying one thing on the stump and doing something different in his representative’s seat”
Can we see an example of that, please?
As for your “truly Progressive candidates,” what are their qualifications?
Jill Stein: Lexington Town Meeting Representative.
Rocky Anderson: Two terms as mayor of Salt Lake City.
Darcy Richardson: Montgomery County precinct committeeman.
Do you really think any of them are ready for the White House?