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How many groups can he NOT pander to in a single speech. I like that
National Journal:
“Displaying his willingness to say what audiences don’t always want to hear, Rep. Ron Paul on Wednesday told a largely Hispanic crowd that he opposes the DREAM Act legislation aimed at helping children of illegal immigrants.
The legislation, which has stalled in Congress but passed in several states – including Paul’s home state of Texas — offers in-state college tuition to undocumented students who attend high schools for at least three years and apply to become U.S. citizens. It also provides a path to citizenship for those who serve in the military.
But Paul told a town hall at an event sponsored by the group Hispanics in Politics that he objects on economic grounds. “I can’t endorse [it] because there is a lot of money involved,” the Republican presidential candidate said. “And you know there are a lot of subsidies in there between the billions of dollars.”
At the same time, Paul said he believes that Hispanics have been unfairly scapegoated. He said Americans historically have been more accepting of outsiders during prosperous times, but not when the economy sours.
“I believe Hispanics have been used as scapegoats, to say, they’re the problem instead of being a symptom maybe of a problem with the welfare state,” Paul told the group. “In Nazi Germany they had to have scapegoats to blame and they turned on the Jews.”
He also said he doesn’t subscribe to the commonly held Republican belief that border security must be made much more stringent. “As one who believes in individual liberty, the American spirit and the American dream, the one thing that I have resisted and condemned and think it is not the American way – I just do not believe that barbed-wired fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems,“ he said.
And Paul said he doesn’t like the idea of deporting illegal immigrants to their home countries, as other GOP candidates have suggested. He said he would give “serious consideration” to such a move for those who have been found to break the law.
But he added, “I think 99 percent or a high percentage of people who come here, come here because they believe in the American dream.… And also I believe most immigrants come here with a very healthy work ethic” “
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Funny I though Paul was against Government regulation? A lack of action to help immigrants has the same effect as government regulation has.
If immigrants don’t get school but are not deported then immigrant’s kids will keep lowering wages for American workers.
Combine that with the push by many GOPers lets be fair and not just blame Ron to get rid of the minimum wage and the wages for low skilled work will drop even more than if you just get rid of the minimum wage. Lower wages by workers will reduce consumer demand even more than it is now and push the country even farther into a depression.
But on the plus side ( assuming you hate immigrants) as wages get lower if wages get low enough immigrants will stop coming to America but is it really worth the cost?
“I believe Hispanics have been used as scapegoats, to say, they’re the problem instead of being a symptom maybe of a problem with the welfare state
Am I wrong illegals can’t get welfare? They also don’t get Social Security but instead pay into the system and pay more in sales taxes, Social Security etc than they ever get back from the government.
Lets say Ron or the rest of the GOPers deports all the illegals the end result is higher taxes look at Arizona after their anti immigrant laws and how much tax revenue dropped the state had to stop helping transplant patients pay for transplants.
Or we could have even more cuts in SS benefits something I think Ron and the GOP seem to want evidence the Ryan Plan.
I am struck by how much GOPers not just Ron supporters do not see cause and effect relationships beyond the first cause and effect? Do none of them play pool and try and sink 2 or 3 balls in one shot?
When advocating change it helps to think where the other balls/ideas on the table will move if we make a shot Ron and the other GOP presidential candidates just to be fair will sink the cue ball if they get their way.
And Paul said he doesn’t like the idea of deporting illegal immigrants to their home countries, as other GOP candidates have suggested. He said he would give “serious consideration” to such a move for those who have been found to break the law.
Given that Paul is from Texas where death row lawyers take naps in court letting the law as he understands it living in Texas be the reason to deport illegals is basically a slower way of deporting all illegals but much more politically correct.
“How many groups can he NOT pander to in a single speech. I like that”
Ron is pandering to the politically correct suburban GOPers who want illegals gone or want them never to leave their wage slave jobs but don’t want to appear openly racists.
Ron just panders to politically correct suburban racists and openly racist folks who understand Ron’s racist code words.
He also said he doesn’t subscribe to the commonly held Republican belief that border security must be made much more stringent. “As one who believes in individual liberty, the American spirit and the American dream,
No education no American Dream instead wage slave forever and your kids will be wage slaves too! But in keeping illegals around American workers will have to keep competing with them for wages thus lowering their wages as I have already pointed out.
By not caring about the least of our brothers we do not care about ourselves. Ron screwed himself doing this when his campaign guy who created Ron’s very successful online fundraising (Ron raised more money online than every Presidential candidate the last time he ran for President except for Obama ) died because he had no health insurance and got sick.
Imagine how much more money Ron would have right now if that guy had lived and had another brilliant idea?
Thus we see in the Real World free markets free of compassion for others is not the most efficient way to do business.
If he had lived
Ron Paul is supported by the John Birch Society.
He put out racist newsletters for years and defended them on several occasions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkZPNOtqlCQ&feature=related
Any ‘Progressive’ supporting Paul should do a 100% reality check post haste.
As an understatement, Ron Paul personifies the “Old and Tired White Dudes.”
Jaango
“And Paul said he doesn’t like the idea of deporting illegal immigrants to their home countries, as other GOP candidates have suggested. He said he would give “serious consideration” to such a move for those who have been found to break the law.”
If I was an undocumented immigrant I would be glad to hear that I would not be deported so long as I obeyed the laws. You are saying that because Paul lives in Texas what he is really saying is he will deport ALL undocumented workers bar none. With respect Things, this is an absurdity.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?
Nevada–has the same problems as the Sanctuary state of California, Arizona that has been overwhelmed by poverty from the large influx of illegal aliens. The only difference is the legislators in California and Nevada disregard their resident’s pleas for help and still pander to foreign nationals. That’s why all Governors, Mayors and every official, who supports this never ending plague must be removed from office. Every person who wants the 2006 real double fence, The Legal Workforce bill, recognized as E-Verify and The Citizenship Birthright Act amended should join the Tea Party or other strong advocates on this matter. Illegal immigration costs California $10.5 Billion annually, with Nevada annual fiscal burden of immigration to be approximately $630 million as according to the Heritage Foundation. Powerful interests in the state garner the benefits, while the average legal California family gets handed over nearly $1,200 annually. So what’s the real cost in Alabama, Georgia, Utah, South Carolina or any of the other 43 States?
Fortunately it just goes to show that legal immigrants especially generations of Hispanics are against illegal immigration and are for enforcement, by their positive vote in Florida for Mitt Romney. They too are suffering from the indignation as being blamed from the 500.000 that illegally enters America. Of course Nevada has its own set of problems, for it also has been flooded with illegal aliens. They have infiltrated the service industry, entertainment and worse hit of all—construction. Taking jobs from bonefide US citizens and legal residents, who were rejected as Contractors and sub-contractors could make more money from discount labor. They didn’t have to offer benefits to foreigners, who swarmed into Nevada during the height of the real estate boom. Other then Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, Gingrich and Paul cannot be trusted with their promises to the foreign nationals, as they are against the fence and are calling with a Path to legality–that is not what the general public want?
In one of the latest polls State of Maine voters were asked about their views on legal immigration. A substantial majority of respondents, 59 percent, judge that overall levels “are too high and should be reduced,” while only 6 percent believe immigration should be increased.
Among the key findings of the poll:
65% believe that illegal immigration negatively affects Maine.
78% oppose in-state tuition subsidies and/or admission of illegal aliens to public universities.
65% support state involvement in immigration enforcement, similar to policies enacted in Arizona and other states.
43% believe illegal immigrants take jobs from American workers, while only 32% believe they fill jobs Americans will not do.
59% support reducing overall immigration to the U.S., while only 6% support increasing immigration.
In California and Nevada millions of jobs that should be in the hands of citizens, instead have been stolen by people from across the globe. Huge amounts of expenditures have been growing, because of careless use of Taxpayers’ dollars by politicians. Specific to Border States is the spiraling high cost of millions of illegal aliens pouring in, demanding equal rights to US citizens. 22 million Americans are out of work and President Obama has passed executive orders, so hundreds of thousands of unlawful migrants and immigrants without a criminal record can stay here. Farmers want the cheap labor, as they remain exempt for paying their medical issues or even their children’s schooling. Many farmers even charge their workers rent for the room and board they live in on the property, which is illegal. The Guest Worker programs are a subject of fraud by the agricultural community, specifically by recruiters who represent the farmers. These people are often hired thinking they are going to award a Green Card, but are eventually told this is temporarily employment?
Democrats will look the other way in all elections, as illegal aliens are voting and will again through 2012. These are two unfunded mandates that the US government pays nothing towards, and state compliance laws is mandatory and forced upon Americans by the courts. The low estimate for paying for all these unfunded mandates annually is $113 billion dollars. Except to stay here, you have to have food, medical care and for their children and education. Staying here it means you have to commit a felony, as to find employment you must possess a legitimate Social Security number, unless the employer is committing an illegal act themselves. Therefore using some persons SSN is a victim of identity theft and that is a –FELONY.
As a patriotic American people we cannot afford to stop pursuing full, mandated “THE LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT” or mandated nationwide E-Verify. Without it our countries businesses will be overrun by illegal workers in every sector of industry. The circumstances have now become so critical, owing to the millions of jobless citizens, legal residents that our government needs to insist full operation of the computer based application. E-Verify is a valuable tool that has expanded to a growing number of honest businesses that have participated in the removal of foreign nationals.
There is toxicity amongst the Democrats and Republicans, who have an irrational view and are eager to destroy any immigration enforcement at our undermanned border or tourists who overstay deliberately. As it stands a path to citizenship, espoused as Immigration reform wants to legalize all those already here. Can anybody imagine if foreign countries supported their citizens that America would not be suffering the problems of foreign workers and their families crowding the emergency rooms of major cities, educating their children and feeding off the limited benefits afforded the US population? E-verify must not be undermined or thrown into the waste pit of good immigration bills?
Phone 202-224-3121 is the Washington center switchboard, to express your infuriated feelings and anguish at Senators and Representatives of both parties. Obamacare for all Americans will be inundated with illegal immigrants and will just drive more of them into our nation. They keep declaring no health care treatment for any illegal people, but unless the mandated federal bill such as E-Verify is operational, then how can we distinguish from the legal population and those who have broken immigration laws? Under such a Congressional law, the long trek home will begin if illegal workers cannot find a job. Those business owners who fail to comply could end up in prison or fined millions of dollars? All immigration bills need to be passed before Obama tries to pass another failed amnesty, as in 1986.