On October 7, OpenLeft ran a most charming piece by Mike Lux, Obama comes through on foreclosure issue: what’s next?
But then, that most delightful and rare of Washington moments happened: the system worked. Consumer advocates started raising hell on the blogs and in traditional media, the White House started looking more closely at the issue, and literally within a matter of hours, Obama announced that he was not going to sign the bill … As soon as the issue was raised, the White House team focused on it, and made the right decision quickly …
But I think it is fair to ask ourselves what happens next and how the progressive community should respond to it … The question now is how progressives respond if Obama does start to move in a more progressive direction … progressives should be ready to move to meet the President halfway and work with him in the areas where he does move our direction, and we shouldn’t always assume the worst. We should keep our healthy skepticism, push hard when we need to push, but be ready to engage when a door is opened to us to engage on.
In other words, the entire episode is a validation of the incrementalist, cooperative liberalism that has brought the progressive forces to the sorry state we are now in. More tactically, it is a plea for us now to go full steam with the Democratic GOTV operation.
Allow me to approach this somewhat differently. Had Obama signed the bill, in the midst of today’s massive foreclosure paperwork scandal, the Democrats would have been crucified come November. No telling how many (more) voters would have stayed home. In protest? In disgust? Or just bummed out? Such a deed would have followed Obama to 2012. While the Lux’s of the world would decry our holding grudges (I raise valid criticisms, you whine, he is an agent of Karl Rove), people would remember. Cranky, irresponsible, vindictive people like me would have made sure of it. Liberals would cry, how do we know there was a connection between signing this bill and loss of votes, as they are invested in protecting their own. But Obama and the Democratic leadership would surely have some idea. THEY can’t afford not to.
So where does Dump Obama come into it? Here’s how.
I initially took the position that a movement had to be created. I’ve been convinced by people’s responses to Dump Obama that such a movement already exists. It has many names. Dump the System. Dump the Dems. Dump Corporate Dems. None of the Above. Voting Is a Waste of Time. I Don’t Wanna Vote Cuz My Feet Hurt. Remember, a key element of a movement is, well, movement. A while ago, I thought, here we go with the usual Dem vs. 3rd party debates. But I was wrong. First, the volume and vehemence of the anger against the Democrats is unprecedented. Secondly, as the 3rd party vs. “work within the Dems” debate sounds familiar, there is not the personal disrespect that we’ve grown all too accustomed to. I don’t recall any progressive Dem being personally called a sellout for merely working in the Democratic Party. Third party folks are not being reviled for messing it up for everyone.
It’s weak in being able to take cohesive action, issue demands, count members, or have any discipline whatsoever. (My impulse to Dump Obama is an attempt to develop those.) But it has substantial power in the negative. It is a factor. They hate and fear us even as they deny our existence, or try to put us in the box of “usual mid-term dropoff.” Never has there been such a steady drumbeat of articles about the “enthusiasm gap,” touted in the MSM, crowed over by the Republicans, feared by the Democrats. The White House attacks on the left are driven by sheer terror. They honor us by their attacks.
And it is taking steps to make our impact explicitly felt. The GetEqual people are putting it right out there. You deliver on gay rights or we don’t deliver for you. Imagine an array of such groups. GetOutofGuantanamo. No money, time or votes until you close Guantanamo and renounce your grasp of presidential powers that exceed even George Bush’s. GetOutofAfghanistan. None of the above until you (the commander-in-chief) do. GetOutofOurWombs, demanding Obama revoke his Stupak inspired signing statement following the Healthcare bill’s passage. GetUsaJob. Not until I, my family and my neighbors all have decent-paying jobs. GetUsRealHealthcare, etc., etc. The possibilities are endless.
However many votes we influence one way or the other, we are having tremendous impact on how November’s results will be framed.
And finally, Dump Obama if all of the above aren’t done. I thought I was going out on a limb when I put out the idea. But events are passing me by (which is a good thing). Whether they like it or not, people are beginning to know what it means. There is now (and I’m sure I’m not responsible for this) a steady patter of “Will Obama be primaried,” and “How about Elizabeth Warren in 2012?” Mentions in passing. Initial reactions to Dump Obama were that it was out on some wild left wing, but at this point, it is beginning to look like the downright obvious move. Idle chatter at this point perhaps. But this point is only 2012.
Our surly negativity is having a real impact this time around. Real movement. But one thing about real movements is that they have to keep moving or they die. We are made up of many fragments. These fragments have to work hard to find more and more common ground.



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Until the midterms are over, I prefer to address Obama’s pocket veto as a stall tactic. It’s not dead yet.
I agree. My arguments are valid — even giving them the benefit of the doubt, which they don’t deserve.
Agreed. It’s a carrot for the banks, and once they come up with the cash, they’ll get exactly what they’re paying for!
At best, it’s a bone. We aren’t dogs to go chasing after bones.
I would wait until after the election. Then if the results warrant it, compare Obama to FDR.
IMO: Obama is no Franklin Roosevelt. Two years after the election of FDR, the Democrats improved their numbers. Under Obama – doubtful.
My assumption is that many middle and lower income people are fearful and uncertain because of the mandate. At any rate they are not thinking about voting. They have other things on their mind.
Where was Pelosi and a new 100 hour plan. It is too late now, but a few months ago something like an increase in the minimum wage, or a stimulus tax rebate would have energized the lower income voters.
If the Democrats actually believed their own rhetoric about working people and the poor, they would be doing great. With the Internet they can bypass the advertiser funded media. They can communicate directly with their base. The problem is that they do not want to communicate with their base. I will repeat, for the third or fourth time, something I heard in 1999, at a low income bus terminal. Republicans & Democrats are both crooks. Republicans are honest crooks. Democrats are con-artists!
The Democrats do not want to communicate with their base, but they are running out of excuses.
The Democrats 100 hours plan
My very amateur Web Site: Citizens Political Power in the U.S.
Interesting sites. There have been political parties that didn’t participate in elections, or only occasionally.
Keep at it Jeff.
If organized labor started talking to potential contenders, word would get to the White House fast. The contender needn’t be a winner, only a spoiler. If it looked like labor might back a spoiler, they’d get some love from the White House very quickly.
I am not certain what you mean by political parties. In most, if not all other nations a political party is a dues-paying, member-based, organization that elects a party leader, and an executive committee. The executive committee, and the party leader, write a party platform. From the dues the party then runs candidates under the party name. The party organization owns the party name, and candidates require the permission from the party to run under that name!
Many of these nations have ratified the Copenhagen Document of the Helsinki Accords which states in part: (7.6) – respect the right of individuals and groups to establish, in full freedom, their own political parties or other political organizations and provide such political parties and organizations with the necessary legal guarantees to enable them to compete with each other on a basis of equal treatment before the law and by the authorities;…
This is definitely not the case in the U.S.!!
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Great Quote from 1927:
Here in the last generation, a development has taken place which finds an analogy nowhere else. American parties have ceased to be voluntary associations like trade unions or the good government clubs or the churches. They have lost the right freely to determine how candidates shall be nominated and platforms framed, even who shall belong to the party and who shall lead it. The state legislatures have regulated their structure and functions in great detail.
Source: American Parties and Elections,
by Edward Sait, 1927 (Page 174)
Quoted from: The tyranny of the two-party system,
by Lisa Jane Disch c2002
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In the U.S. politicians are organized by the monetary power of Hill committees. Hill committees are chaired by incumbent politicians, who are normally elected by a small group of powerful incumbents of their respective parties. ie. Dem, Rep, Green, Lib.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_committee
The only real alternative in the democratic party to Obama is Hillary, like it or not. I voted for Hillary in the primary and did not vote for Obama in the general election. I would vote for Hillary in 2012 but if Obama runs for re election, I am voting third party.
To follow your logic of actions preceding support, if I had no other disagreement with Obama’s actions or lack thereof, his implicit approval for torture and lack of prosecution of same by Holder thoroughly prevents me from ever voting for him again. And that will not change by 2012. A viable primary challenge is the only route, Elizabeth Warren Draft movement may be necessary, I think her traditional American values would compel her to respond!
The trouble with Elizabeth Warren, however, is that she allowed herself to be backed into a corner by Obama and Geitner. If she’s the smart, tough lady that everyone’s making her out to be, she’ll tell Obama and Geitner to go straight to hell and not accept anything less than what she’s qualified for.
Depends on whether you are running to win. I don’t care. A contested primary would rip open all their wounds. And we can always raise hell in the primaries and still go 3rd party in the general.
True. But there’s trouble with everyone. There are times when people are pushed by history to go beyond themselves. Question is, would she run? In any event, even speculation over potential challengers must send chills up the party’s yellow spines.
I couldn’t agree more. The recent news that “Obama administration officials have acknowledged they had been aware of flaws in how the mortgage industry pursues foreclosures,” (WaPo) but, of course, had done nothing, is just further proof that this administration is utterly incompetent. The fallout from this massive foreclosure fraud will be devastating and the White House knew it had to address it long ago, but didn’t.
Howard Zinn in his comments on Obama’s first year:
Lord knows those of us on the Left have tried everything we can think of to push Obama in a better direction, but we have failed. Guantanamo is still open, the healthcare bill is a fiasco, Wall Street got its financial regulation legislation which did not end TBTF, we’re still in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. etc.
The only thing left to do at this point is to look to 2012. Dump Obama is one alternative to consider. It is the most sensible alternative that I have heard so far.
This:
is an excellent idea, jeffroby!
This, I claim, is an instant classic of rhetoric. Or should be. :-)
BTW, the Real News has a recent interview of 3 dudes from the PDA, one of whom poo-poos any attempt to primary Obama. I think they’ve encountered Dump Obama….
Nice to hear from you, Jeff, again on the Seminal. As usual, you make the best case for progressive politics, buy I’m skeptical of an approach in which people are to be moved along without being informed of where we are going in the End. There is still no indication or revelation in the Dumb Obama tactic that Capitalism has to go. You know that Elizabeth Warren is not the answer! You know that you can’t bargain with the powers-that-be!? A real movement can’t avoid deep waters.
Nor can a real movement avoid shallow waters. Especially if you’re starting on the beach. Ever read the work of Michael Hardt and Antonio Negri? I start with the values of socialism, no problem there. But how does their application work in the actual struggle? The old “capitalism-creates-industrial-proletariat-to-dig-their-graves” thing doesn’t work in a de-industrialized society like the U.S. What are the implications of manufacturing beginning to center on China? Answer me these (which I hope you can) and we can advance the conversation. Where are we “going in the End”?
In the meantime, I’m not going to abstract myself from the actual fights going on today.
I know you start with the values of socialism, but others probably don’t know this because you don’t reveal or even hint at in the Dumb Obama movement. We can start in shallow waters, even from the beach, and still articulate and demand the goal ahead. Part of the actual struggle is political education, and this necessarily entails a critique of capitalism and a vision of an Alternative because that’s where we are going or should be going in the end.
Manufacturing centering on China is indicative of the new, higher stage of capitalism, from state-monoply capitalism to global capitalism, and the implications for American workers, for example, are obvious: higher unemplyment, reduced wages, and so on. I don’t think I’m telling you anything you don’t know, but most people don’t see this big picture, and it’s the responsibility of those who do see it to explain it, in my opinion, but how does the Dump Obama movement do this?
Oh, yeah, vote for Hillary if she runs.
She’ll put us in the right direction; a genuine outsider and no ties to Wall St.
I don’t know about you, but I’m sure looking forward to nuking Iran.
God help us.
“Surly negativity.” I like the way that sounds!
Not yet. The midterms are still three weeks away – an eternity in politics – and how we vote will determine if we’ve tried everything. Given the traditionally low turnouts for midterms, a large bloc of progressive votes for lefty parties/candidates and even tenets – writing in the words “PUBLIC OPTION” for example – would be our clearest, least debatable statement on why his majority in Congress has slipped away.
I plan to do just that, because until we have, moving to “Dump Obama” would be skipping a key step, and giving up our electoral right to make our feelings irrefutably known.
Keep hammerin’, Jeff. Recommended.
I wish you WOULD tell me something I don’t know.
Dump Obama is not a complete strategy, it is one tactic among many.
My point to be blunt is that the Dump Obama movement is fatally flawed. Several weeks ago when we conversed about my basic objection to Dump Obama–and there is no reason for me to repete it again–you said that you were going to rework or re-think the matter in the light of our conversation, but you have come back in this post with pretty much the same thing, as far as I can see. If this is the basic approach that you want to pursue, then good luck with it, but you can’t expect radicals like me to be part of it. Rather than tell you something that you don’t know, my basic tactical idea is to form small groups of politically aware individuals who utilize specific issues in order to educate others about what they do know: namely, that capitalism has to go because there is a much better alternative available in the 21st Century.
From draftHillary.com:
You give me far too much credit. If I controlled a massive Dump Obama organization obedient to my beck and call, I might answer differently. But Dump Obama exists quite independently from anything I might desire. At best, what I hope to do is modestly help shape the framing, perhaps accelerate its entry into mainstream dialogue.
As for socialist values, a good beginning is that human needs must come before corporate profits. If anyone on this thread thinks I don’t believe that, please let me know and I will clarify. Does Dump Obama embrace such values? I would believe so.
It’s a race for crazy these days.
Hillary is one batshit warmonger.
If we were four years into the future, and Hillary was President. . . I would have to shoot myself!
OK Jeff. Good luck with the Dump Obama movement!
A better option than torture, for sure.
You mean war mongering hawk military pal HRC?
Yer killin me.
I’ve been callin this for a month.
HRC n A General.
Warparty will move HARD in ’12.
It will complete the coup that’s already been implemented under BushCo, and now Obama.
Patriot Act alone was coup material.
Agree with your diary Jeff thanks and rcc’d.
DumpObama.
Hey Jef! Good luck with the Dump the Chump movement. Obama is a swindler he’s even worse then BV$H if that’s possible. BV$H right from the start made it clear he was a rich man’s President. Obama did the opposite ( all his Change from the bottom up talk) but lied. F*cking fraud in the inducement.
I felt like giving expression to my Inner Troublemaker, to so went to the Google adwords page to create some sort of Dump Obama google adwords campaign. It only takes 10 or 15 minutes to do so. I budgeted $1.00/day. I used “Catfood Commission” and “Unemployment” as my search terms. I also used “Social Security”, but this scored very low, and it looks like my ad will never show, for this. I budged $.06 per click.
“I did this, and you did, too!”
Unfortunately, when they asked for a website to link to, the facebook page URL was too long. So, I used the Full Court Press website.
Please add an article to the Full Court Website re Dump Obama. Better still, a website with a shorter URL.
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My ad message was as follows:
Dump Obama
If we’d wanted a Republican, we
could have voted for McCain
IMO Hillary is as bad as Obama, I wouldn’t support either of them.
There are lots of other people who would be much better.
Democrats need a credible threat from the left if we are going to pull them back to where they belong.
Back in the early days of the FDR admin there was Senator Huey Long scaring the pants off the elite with his “share our wealth” platform.
We need to create a new Kingfish, one not afraid to attack bad Democrat policies and politicians.
Grayson loves the Kingfish but he’s never going to rally the left because he’s to pro-Israel and a large segment of the left hates Israel more then it hates the Corp. Dems. and their Goper allies I’m afraid.