… well, we all want to change the world. In How to Destroy the Democratic Party … I explored an approach that could lead to an independent party with more than symbolic strength. But recalling the dog who finally caught the car he’d been chasing all these years, it would raise the question of what we would do when we finally catch it, i.e., had some serious parliamentary strength backed by an energized mass base. In that light, I’ve been mulling over the various 3rd party platforms, in terms of serious power politics.
I’ve noticed that some writers on FDL seem quite moderate, while others are flaming revolutionaries ready to take to the streets and launch general strikes and have 5 million people seize the halls of Congress and smash the two-party system (and indulge in a strange nostalgia for “saver of capitalism” Franklin Roosevelt). But if one takes a closer look, what they are fighting FOR is often quite vague (end control of our elections by the rich) or quite moderate (some version of European social democracy — which seems to be doing so well these days), and sometimes radical indeed. Furthermore, while some advocate socialism, the collective understanding of socialism is utterly muddled, with some progressives actually arguing that ANY government regulation of business is socialism.
(This latter is merely a version of taking the plutocrats’ definition of any restriction on their god-like powers to be flaming bolshevism. No. Socialism entails POWER for the working class. There have been two major variants of this, the British post-WWII nationalizations of certain heavy industries such as the coal industry, steel, BBC and transportation under the Labour Party, and the state capitalist versions under the former Soviet bloc. Social Security doesn’t make the U.S. socialist any more than the poorhouses made 19th century England socialist.)
So, I’ve taken a look at various 3rd party programs, and would like to focus on the Greens, as their program is the most developed. While it is not explicitly socialist, it nonetheless raises the issues and contradictions endemic to even an explicitly socialist party.
Many of their platform points are quite good, sensible environmental measures, clean government processes, logical corporate regulations, i.e., liberal reforms, the perfection of capitalism. Others are what I would call system-busters — changes that would not be able to be implemented within the boundaries of capitalism as we know it, or changes that would be system-busters if rigorously carried out, such as the Greens “Participatory Democracy, rooted in community practice at the grassroots level and informing every level, from the local to the international.”
Let’s look at the system-busters:
COMMUNITY BASED ECONOMICS Redesign our work structures to encourage employee ownership and workplace democracy. Develop new economic activities and institutions that will allow us to use our new technologies in ways that are humane, freeing, ecological and accountable, and responsive to communities … Establish some form of basic economic security, open to all … Restructure our patterns of income distribution to reflect the wealth created by those outside the formal monetary economy: those who take responsibility for parenting, housekeeping, home gardens, community volunteer work, etc.
For discussion purposes, lets change “encourage employee ownership and workplace democracy” to REQUIRE. Encouragement comes cheap.
WELFARE: A COMMITMENT TO ENDING POVERTY: All people have a right to food, housing, medical care, jobs that pay a living wage, education, and support in times of hardship … Work performed outside the monetary system has inherent social and economic value, and is essential to a healthy, sustainable economy and peaceful communities … federally funded entitlement program to support children, families, the unemployed, elderly and disabled, with no time limit on benefits. … We call for a graduated supplemental income, or negative income tax, that would maintain all individual adult incomes above the poverty level, regardless of employment or marital status.
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE: … universal, comprehensive, national single-payer health plan … Lifetime benefits for everyone. No one will lose coverage for any reason.
LIVEABLE INCOME: … universal basic income (sometimes called a guaranteed income, negative income tax, citizen’s income, or citizen dividend). This would go to every adult regardless of health, employment, or marital status, in order to minimize government bureaucracy and intrusiveness into people’s lives. The amount should be sufficient so that anyone who is unemployed can afford basic food and shelter.
In summary, food, housing, medical care, decent jobs, education, and a strong safety net as basic human rights, with the economy accountable to the community in a serious way. The Socialist Party (SP), the Green New Deal Coalition, and the NY Working Families Party (WFP) have more or less parallel positions, the SP a little stronger on government control of the economy and union matters, the WFP more short-term legislation-oriented.
Why do I call these reforms system-busters? One common left attitude is that the capitalists are driven by greed, they amass obscene amounts of personal luxuries, and are rolling in dough. Thus we can simply tax (or seize) their obscene wealth and use it to provide jobs and safety net for everyone. Sorry, wouldn’t work. While individual capitalists may drink their Bloody Marys mixed with the blood of proletarian babies, the capitalist SYSTEM isn’t doing so well. We can point to corporate profit margins and all that. But those profits are illusory.
Precipice
Consider that supposed powerhouses such as Lehman Brothers (assets of $691 billion), Washington Mutual ($327.9 billion), Bear Stearns ($28.9 billion), AIG ($1 trillion) and General Motors ($91 billion), CIT ($71 billion), Chrysler ($39 billion), and Thornburg Mortgage ($36.5 billion) went into bankruptcy. Citi ($1.9 trillion) was considered seriously threatened, but ran to the Middle East for funding, and Fannie Mae ($890.3 billion) is considered very precarious. Ford ($203.1 billion) and Delta Air Lines ($44.9 billion) have buzzards circling overhead. (various sources)
Yes, their executives reaped obscene salaries and bonuses, yes, some were held together by federal bailouts, yes, some were devoured by other Wall Street predators. But the point is that their balance sheets just didn’t cut it when the 2008 collapse hit. Paper assets just didn’t hold up when one sector met a sharp pin, and the shock waves went around the globe.
In addition to so much of their gazillions in assets being nothing but the paper, er, I mean, the electronic spreadsheets they are entered on, there is this thing called capitalist competition. While the 2008 collapse showed plutocrat solidarity against we common people, they had no compunction in slitting each other’s throats at the same time. Then there is the matter of oil hitting peak production, and then declining FOREVER. Economists may argue whether that point has already been reached, or merely looms a few years hence. But either way, that has to enter their calculations.
As they try to shore up their empire, the bloc emerging around China and Russia is solidifying its positions while the American empire deteriorates daily. That has to enter their calculations.
There are massive bubbles aplenty, waiting to burst just as the mortgage bubble burst, with untold shockwaves to come. Billions in student loans that will never be paid back because graduates can’t get jobs is among the most obvious. There is a massive credit card bubble out there. Various European debt crises. Banks and insurance giants have been trimming their reserves of cash on hand, setting up row after row of teetering dominoes. A corporate favorite, Credit Default Swaps, result in a situation where, as Rodrigue Tremblay put it in Economic Bubbles and Financial Crises, Past and Present, “nobody really knows who owns or owes what to everybody else.” (You should really read that whole piece.)
Oh, and did I mention global warming?
It used to be understood that capitalism worked best under a free and open system. That it is becoming increasingly constrained and repressive is not a sign of strength, but of profound weakness and fragility. That it appears to us as strength is not due to their actual strength, but to the abject weakness of progressive forces in this country.
So let’s vote for socialism
Suppose in the 2012 election, it was discovered that Obama and Biden did it with billygoats in a menage a trois caught on tape by the ASPCA, the Republican presidential nominee was found in bed in a hotel room with a donkey that was here illegally from Mexico, and at the 2012 State of the Union, both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court were caught on national TV dropping acid in a massive sex orgy with the entire barnyard. The scandal was such that a Green/Socialist Party coalition took the White House and swept Congress. Their first bill was the comprehensive “Let’s Have Socialism Act,” passed unanimously by both houses and signed by President Greenbottom, with the full support of 80% of the American people.
Banking, insurance, transportation and communications would be nationalized within a reasonable time-frame.
Their second bill was the “Get the Fuck out of the Middle East” law. Troops there would start leaving by cars, trains, airplanes and boats as soon as possible. All of them. They would be decommissioned and put to work rebuilding the American infrastructure, including a comprehensive national rail system, and urban mass transit. New Orleans would truly rise again.
Healthcare would be provided gratis by the government, and a decent income guaranteed to all. All would be provided by massive taxation of corporate income. An emergency control board would be created to manage any dislocations. Funds would be put into medical — especially paramedical — training to cover any shortage of doctors.
Then what?
Then the shit would hit the fan.
They’d get us like they got Allende. To refresh our memories, the Marxist Salvador Allende was elected president of Chile in 1970. He pursued a policy of nationalizing mining and healthcare, collectivizing agriculture, and improving the lot of the poor. In response, the CIA and ITT conspired with Chilean landowners to “make the economy scream,” through disinvestment and sabotage, while urging the Chilean military to stage a coup. In 1973, Chilean generals led by Augusto Pinochet staged a coup, killed Allende, and instituted a fascist regime that hunted down and murdered the left.
Setting aside how the military and fascist right would respond to President Greenbottom, consider what would happen to healthcare. Government-supplied healthcare would provoke the insurance giants and big pharma to shut down healthcare in this country. Before the country was able to train new doctors and reorganize the system. Banks would stop lending, and money would disappear in the trillions. Communications would break down. Even the mildest of reforms would trigger domino effects that would disrupt every aspect of the economy. The middle class would be clamoring for a military solution to restore order.
I have little patience with those who carp that electoral politics are useless. They are a useful tactic, a place where organizing can take place, they give the left an aura of legitimacy. But you can’t just legislate socialism, and you can’t just legislate the near-socialism embodied in the Green or SP platforms. The essence of socialism, real socialism, is that the working class — or the people, if you prefer — runs society. Not just passes laws for running it.
Thus, if an industry were nationalized, it would be inadequate to merely give new orders to the old management structure. It would mean that the workers in that industry would have to find a way to organize that industry. With the help of individuals from the old regime? Certainly. But new ways of operating would have to be created, whether union committees or wholly new structures.
Could it be done quickly if the people were sufficiently organized? I would guess there would have to be some kind of transitional period.
Naked legislation is a prescription for catastrophe
All right, set aside this best/worst-case scenario. I believe that the precarious position of so much of the economy renders even modest reforms perilous. Suppose government passed and enforced open and honest accounting for the banking and insurance industries. Given the phony assets out there, could even that trigger a massive banking crisis? And where would that ball stop rolling? Set up a serious public option (no mandate) in competition with corporate healthcare. Could the insurance industry survive that? And consider how interpenetrated the insurance industry is in high finance, could our financial institutions stand that? Could the insurance industry even stand enforcement of existing requirements for reserves?
If we cut half the military budget just in half, what would be the shockwaves to aerospace, weapons, local economies dependent on military bases?
The bullshit left argument is that if we shut down certain parts of the economy, that money can be invested elsewhere. Maybe, if that investment were government-directed AND managed, with no requirement that it turn a profit. But remember the health of an economy is not determined by how much money the capitalists have, either personal or corporate funds. Rather, that health is determined by whether the capitalists believe that money can be re-invested at a profit. This is why a rising stock market is indicative of absolutely nothing. This is why the banks are drowning in cash while small businesses go begging.
One might argue that the capitalists would hardly commit suicide like this. Maybe not once upon a time. (And remember that Allende was murdered, not a suicide.) But the empire has become detached from its U.S. base, operates globally. At this point, it is clear that the U.S. economy is expendable if it comes to that.
Yes, Virginia, there is a crisis of capitalism.
So the doomsayers are right?
No way! I’m not writing this to discourage anyone. Don’t be packing your bags. Rather, I’m trying to put into perspective the immensity of the task. Which has to be taken on, if we are to survive the slow (and not so slow) motion collapse we are in the midst of. It is going to take a level of organization this world has never seen. On a practical level:
(1) The broad politic of resistance should be firmly populist, not socialist or quasi-socialist. The disparity between the level of social organization and the highly-interwoven system held together by spit and gum is too great, and people’s gut sense of this — whether or not explicitly articulated — is too great, and deters parties like the Greens from making serious inroads, quite aside from their lack of aggressive organizing.
(2) On a practical level, there are no easy fixes, and any short-term solutions are just that, short-term. The system is structurally broken, this is a dying empire, and its potential to collapse on our heads rather than inspiring spontaneous uprising is terrifying. Resistance such as in Greece is inspiring, but cannot reach into the heart of the system. We need a vision that embraces serious structural changes to the economic and political system, whether socialism, a new world order, or something unforeseen, with the organizational strength to make it stick.
(3) Hence we need a high level of social organization, such as actually emerged in the South and Midwest during the populist period in the 1800’s, where entire communities banded together with the urban labor movement to oppose the robber barons. And that organization must be able to operate on a populist level tactically, while simultaneously working towards long-term structural change.
(4) Elections are a tactic. The exact role they play is yet to be determined. They could create an Allende-like crisis, where the fight has to be finished in the streets, or they could be used to “seal the deal” following a broad range of struggles. The notion that elections are useless for serious change is both trivial and, in fact, useless.
(5) The crisis is international. Whatever conclusions we may draw, international developments will call many of the shots, and open up the potential for strong alliances.
Thrilling days of yesteryear
In the 30’s, the organizers of the industrial unions had a good slogan, “Organize ourselves! Organize the organizers! Organize the masses!” You can’t just have people organizing willy-nilly as a bunch of individuals. Goes nowhere. People remain as (heroic) individuals, and that individuality renders them impotent.
(1) Organize ourselves. Even a group of two has vastly more power than any individual. Develop a plan. Develop a common perspective on how the system works, how to approach it strategically. My piece How to Destroy the Democratic Party … tries to lay out a partial perspective. I note with some excitement the recent pieces by Liz Berry, The majority of Americans are fed up with the Tea Party/Republican AND the Democrat Parties, and matthewj, No Confidence Protest Vote 2012. I have serious disagreements with both, but both have a strategic/organizational component that is a cut above. Then there is the New Progressive Alliance (NPA), which has a much more sophisticated perspective, working both within and outside the Democratic Party to build a crossover alliance of progressives.
(2) Organize the organizers. With a plan in hand, and a core grouping to carry it out, you can organize others AROUND THAT PLAN itself.
(3) Organize the masses. (Okay, maybe the lingo can be updated from 1930’s CP-speak.) With critical mass achieved, campaigns can be launched to build new base organizations at different levels. We absolutely cannot just leap to this level. As heroic individuals, the problem is to get everyone out of the pool — the same pool — at the same time. There may be spontaneous events, but neither the events in Wisconsin or Egypt were spontaneous. There were organized forces behind them. If they appeared to “come out of nowhere,” that has to do with the acquired blindness of the media, the State Department, and the American left.
As usual, I raise more questions than I answer. But I firmly believe that we need to start with step one. We need to discuss actual plans, not just battle cries, and begin to coalesce around those plans. They don’t have to be perfect. It is in practice that their merits will be tested.



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EXCELLENT DIARY AND HIGHLY REC’D.
Adding to it: http://www.spectacle.org/496/demo.html
“Every rulebook involves tolerance, which is a form of letting go. Under the free speech rulebook, I must tolerate the speech I despise, and not ask the government to crush it; in the democracy of the three eyeless men, I must give back the eye when my turn is over. The pathology of capitalism is that it eventually encourages disregard of the democracy rulebook, while giving the most wealthy individuals the power to warp or disregard the rules. Once you have money, there is no letting go any more. Can you imagine anyone saying, “I am rich enough, it is someone else’s turn?”
Unfortunately, the experiment in democracy that is the U.S. has failed.
Thanks for mentioning my post here jeffroby. I will say that you are right, we do need to work FOR something and I left it very vague in my No Confidence Protest Vote 2012 post a few days ago.
I did so for many reasons but primarily two: it was a long post and I barely started to scratch the surface of the detail necessary to really carry out the electoral strategy I presented, and secondarily I believe designing a workable system requires analysis yet to be done. I have been taking notes and building ideas that I hope to shape into a lengthy and detailed presentation of a way forward. That will take quite a bit of time to do.
The analysis needs to fully account for power structures and institutions and how our modern institutions have failed to keep power distributed in the hands of individuals as it should be in a fair and just society based on the idea that all are created equal. This analysis needs to call into question assumptions that are never challenged by any of the current political discussions: three branches of government, monolithic executive, geographic representation, unelected high court, etc. Without such an analysis and an attempt to design new power structures and institutions that can withstand the assault of the greed and power lust any changes are doomed to fail.
What I am working on is an electoral strategy to bring the structural discussion into the general awareness. At the same time I am starting to think about and work on the analysis necessary to find a sustainable way forward. Some indigenous cultures have the concept of thinking seven generations down the line. The original American democracy may have made it that long (depending on where you place its final failure) but certainly not more. We will need thinking as radical as our Declaration of Independence and constitution were at the time to find a viable way forward in this era of high tech with its potential for almost unlimited centralization of power and control. Tinkering at the edges and repurposing old ideas just won’t work.
Excellent post – thank you very much!
Sometimes people cry out, “what’s your plan? what’s your plan?” As though you or I could just sit down and write one. (Actually, I could write dozens, but they’d all be irrelevant.) Fact is, there have to exist certain preconditions for a certain degree of planning. Thus I am more interested in creating those preconditions than I am on any given plan.
To put a simple name on it, we need to create a process, and you are certainly part of it.
You are right on there. Creating the right preconditions is a good way of putting the objective of the strategy I laid out…
Recc’d.
I’ve been at this a long time. Came out 33 years ago, and was singularly focused on gay rights/AIDS crisis for the first 4 of 8 Presidential cycles.
Expanded my issue activity since on personal cycles 5 through 8 (in 2008).
So on my former primary issue, gay rights, is it better now than when I began? Yes. Do I have satisfactory resolution yet? No.
And that’s the nut of the issues today. People want some sort of one hit, one shot, right now, silver bullet solution and it’s not going to work out that way. There are literally years and years of work ahead of us.
And even then, it’s never “won and done.” There are always countervailing forces.
It’s really all about choosing to live and act in a committed way, for as long as you live. And nobody really wants to hear that, much less accept that.
“we need to start with step one. We need to discuss actual plans, not just battle cries, and begin to coalesce around those plans. They don’t have to be perfect. It is in practice that their merits will be tested.”
Absolutely right on the mark.
I liked this post.
I have a few [well, actually many] comments, concerning this post, individuals, society, capitalism, and the masses…
As I grow old the thing that I have finally realized, and become more convinced of everyday, is that humans are arrogant and self-centered. My first reaction to this realization is to examine myself and my actions, but that is a story for another day…
When I was attempting to work with you, Jeff, and Tony, at NPA, the friction seemed immense, and the goals always seemed secondary to who was right, or who thought up the idea, or who had the best way, or who … who … who! After your presence became sparse, then everything became about one person …
I mentioned once to Tony that the downfall of the Left is that those on the Left are too individualistic and cannot work together … The strength of the Rightwing is that the leaders are all on the same page and all of the soldiers are (brainwashed and) in lockstep.
Lately I have thought a lot about capitalism, and I keep coming back to employee ownership. I very much appreciated the segment highlighting the planks of the Green party …
I like “Kitchen Nightmares” and Gordon Ramsey always goes to small restaurants to help out (he never goes to help out Taco Bell, or an Olive Garden.) On a recent episode there was tension between the owners (a couple) and the staff … I screamed at the TV, “Of course, there will always be tension! Institute an employee stock ownership plan!!”
When I worked as a freelance lighting tech, the lighting company would bill their client three times my wage. For round numbers, say $10 were for me, $10 were for the owner’s profit, and $10 were for the truck, lights, etc… In law school they said you have to bill three times your salary … $100K is for me, $100K is for the partners profit, and $100K is for the secretary, the office, etc.
It is basically the same for all businesses, from Wal-Mart to Goldman Sachs. But two-thirds goes to the capitalists, and only one-third to labor … The owners of the lighting company still owned the lights and the truck, so that third was for the owner also, to maintain his long-term assets.
A more correct proportion of rewarding the input of capital and of labor would be fifty-fifty. 25% owner profit; 25% asset maintenance; 25% worker wages; 25% worker ownership investment. To go back to the lighting company analogy, or the restaurant in Kitchen Nightmares, or Wal-Mart, a slightly lower wage would be acceptable if a weekly small percentage of ownership were included …
Sorry, I’ve completely gone off-track. To get back on track: Besides my musings about the flaws within the capitalistic system, the alienation of the worker, I have thought about the Left’s inability to work together, and the Right’s long-term ability to frame the debate, to portray the debate within their terms to the masses. If you say ‘taxes’ the masses think ‘bad.’ The Left haven’t responded over and over for decades on end with ‘needed infrastructure’ or ‘common good’ or ‘investing for the future.’
The bottom line of all this rambling is that I wonder about humanity, and how to implement actual progress. I see many bright people, but each with their own egos, each wanting to be in charge. I read a very good article [really!] by Petraeus on having to re-think and re-design and re-train the military to combat terrorist networks. That terrorist networks were nimble and dynamic but the military was hierarchical and therefor hobbled and ineffective.
The Left needs to restructure and work together.
I’m not sure how to do it, but you, and Tony and NPA, and Glen Greenwald and HuffPro need to work with all the voices of discontent here and around the web. There needs to be a “progress wiki” or something to actually get everybody on ‘the same page.’ Right now, working in the capitalist system, as in your example about the banks, FDL and HuffPro and Kos and everybody are to busy slitting each others throats fighting for eyeballs … nobody is really, truly, working for humanity or this planet, each is worried about ‘who’ and ‘ego’ and profit.
Capitalism needs to be restructured from 66/33 to 50/50.
A job creates a profit for the capitalist and only mere sustenance to the worker. Even the Left and Progressives chant “Jobs, jobs, jobs,” which in reality only increases profits for the capitalists. The Greens are right; without an ownership stake the workers will always be shafted. Marx was right; without an ownership stake the workers will always be alienated. Jeffroby is right; “We need a vision that embraces serious structural changes …,” and an ownership stake would be that structural change.
Capitalism has infected and overtaken democracy. Meanwhile, the workers are defeated and the unemployed go around cup in hand saying to the Taco Bell factories, “Please, may I be allowed to make you a profit?” And those with jobs continue to fuel the profits for the capitalists.
There are a few places with state ownership (http://www.banknd.nd.gov/) or profit sharing (http://www.nucor.com/careers/benefits/) or employee ownership (http://www.nceo.org/main/article.php/id/11/) — but the masses need to know, and need to know these companies are actually more likely to prosper, and the masses need to seek out these companies, to actually show a preference to work for those ethical companies…
OK, I’m gonna’ go.
I liked this article, especially:
Organize ourselves. Organize the organizers. Organize the masses.
I would only add, or ask that it be explicit, somewhere, to Organize the masses the Message needs to be Organized and the organizers need to agree on the message.
I liked your tone in this article.
And, again, I agree with the Greens, ownership of the businesses is the structural change that gives the workers power, but I fear the masses would need thirty years of co-ordinated messaging to comprehend that, and they won’t get that from the corporate media…
(Yeah, I should have polished this up and posted it as a ‘Diary’ and strengthened the “Grey Wolf” brand … and there are probably errors and typos within, but I’m tired and am not even going to re-read this and fix them …;-)
A few points:
The differences were important, but partly resolved by the reality factor. The art is in knowing which fights to have when. It is easy to call for unity when nobody’s ideas have any consequences anyway. But when they matter …
The way it shakes out is that Tony and I can work together on the independent side of the inside/outside tactic. We have differences over the Democratic Party, but I’ll pursue my approach and we’ll see how it plays.
I thought I was explicit but I’ll restate. Organize the organizers means that the organizers have to be ORGANIZED. Not just get a bunch of organizers into a room and have them do their various things, but organize them around the plan (including message) that was hopefully developed in the “organize ourselves” phase.
Can’t happen. There are long-standing issues that will not disappear because they are substantive. For instance, there’s the matter of the Democratic Party. Some will stick with it till the bitter end, some even now won’t touch it with a 10-foot pole, and some (like me) will work with it tactically while maintaining a long-term independent perspective. The issue of reform or revolution never goes away.
But the problem isn’t that the left is divided. Apart from those whose unity is maintained by their utter dependency on the Democratic Party, the left is utterly atomized. Division would be progress.
Rather, I see the task as achieving critical mass, i.e., enough people who DO have a common perspective to be able to execute a coherent plan.
For instance, I consider organizing the poor to be a top priority. I will never win the entire left to that. What is possible, I hope, is to organize enough people to see that as a strategic necessity (organize ourselves), who can then create an organizing committee or committees, along with legal and media support structures (organize the organizers), which can then begin actual organizing drives (organize the masses).
Anyway, thank you for your thoughtful reply. We have much to ponder.
I believe that the dollar, the American economy and the American Empire will collapse and is collapsing. There is nothing that our Fascist government can do to prevent it. I believe that the root cause of the collapse and the fatal flaw of Capitalism is Central Banking. I am not talking about Utopian Free Market Capitalism as it exists in the dreams of Libertarians. I mean real historic Capitalism as it proceeded from the establishment of the Bank of England in 1694. I believe that American people will experience real hardship over the next few years and when their personal existence is threatened they will develop a keen interest in politics.
Jeff:
Have you considered what post imperial America will look like? I think it will be a bloody mess in the beginning. Riots, curfews, martial law, that kind of shit. Leaders will arise on the right talking about God and country. And hopefully on the left talking about unity and solidarity. And of course some will remain loyal to the Fascists.
So what should “we” be doing, collectively, now (before the final collapse) and later (after the final collapse)? Even more important, how do we plan to survive the chaos?
I really like your emphasis on organizing and Populism. I have only begun to try to bring a few friends together to discuss how we might work together to increase our chances in the next few years. Organizing, if you will.
As to national politics there is one overriding priority, now and in the future. We must come together to destroy the Fascist Police State or escape from it via secession. Anything that raises awareness and weakens the corporate overlords is good including voting strategies. My own voting strategy is simple:
1) Always vote.
2) Never vote for a Democrat or a Republican.
I have actually been voting this way in national elections (with rare exceptions) beginning in 2000. So I like the protest vote idea and I think significant numbers of other people would like it *IF* it could be forcefully presented in a timely manner.
And I have promised to vote with the NPA assuming they endorse a candidate (or two). And (and I’m to tired to fight about it) I am supporting Ron Paul until something better comes along.
I have no money and no real experience in partisan politics except as a long observer. I do have considerable hands on experience providing shelter for the homeless and my volunteer time goes there. I know the working poor from long and close association (I’m one of them) and would speak with them one at a time or in groups if invited by an honest candidate.
Thanks for this post. If conversation matters (I know at least I learn from it) then this topic deserves attention.
“It’s really all about choosing to live and act in a committed way, for as long as you live.”
Amen!
Jeff, this is your finest post to date, IMO. Beautifully imagined, written, and elucidated. Recommended.
As it happens, I am in the midst of Chris Hedges’ amazing Death of the Liberal Class. It leaves me more convinced than ever of the long-term nature of the fight between fascism and common sense, and at the same time, of the need to actually BRING that fight. We must stop playing footsie with neoliberals and call them out for what they are: Enablers at best, culpable at worst (and all too often) in supporting the United States number-one export: Perpetual War. It is this export upon which our economy is utterly reliant, and has been since World War I.
You reference the labor movements of the 30s, and rightly so. But as you know, the heyday of Progressivism was prior to WWI, and with the exception of the temporary reprieve/return to those heady times afforded us by FDR, we have, thanks to the purely American invention of propaganda – been not drifting but MARCHING to the beat of War ever since. And God help those who question it.
For all the reasons you cite, an overnight return to our senses will not be the case. The best we can do right now is catalyze and unify the contingents that will transcend generations in order to get Progressivism back in the fight in a meaningful way.
If the many of us do not take up this cause, the few who do will continue to be crushed by the corporate forces determined to maintain and expand Perpetual War for the benefit of their bottom lines. In the near term this may succeed in exerting US primacy over the rest of humankind, but the eventual, inevitable result is easy to foresee: The rest of humankind will kick our asses but good, relegating our empire to the bustbin of history, once and for all.
If Progressives cannot rise to challenge our culture and economy of Perpetual War, the ass-kicking will come with a vengeance; if we can, we might still reverse course and see our country welcomed as an equal partner in the community of nations.
“The Greens are right; without an ownership stake the workers will always be shafted. Marx was right; without an ownership stake the workers will always be alienated.”
I really enjoyed your remarks, in particular your focus on workers. I would submit that the workers ARE the left and not the educated liberals with their policy differences and personalities and single issues. I think the frustration of progressives stems from their being a head without a body.
“For instance, I consider organizing the poor to be a top priority.”
When I heard you talking about organizing the unemployed I knew you were my friend. We got your critical mass right here in the working class and we are up for grabs politically. Please grab us before the reactionaries do.
Last year I wrote some pieces on organizing the poor, off of working with some folks trying to get unemployment extensions for the so-called 99ers (whose benefits were running out after 99 weeks unemployed). One reaction I kept getting was expressions of outright surprise from some of these educated leftists of, “Hey, dammit, I’m a poor person!”
When you say, “I think the frustration of progressives stems from their being a head without a body,” I’d say, for chrissake, if only they had a head instead of being a bunch of atomized brain cells!
Yes, there is gross elitism on the left, yes, there are sharp class divisions on the left. They need to be addressed. But this line of thinking is too close a cousin of the putdowns of the left by the likes of Pat Buchanan and (before him) Al Capp of Little Abner fame. Or of the Communist Party’s workerism in putting down student protesters in the 60′s while they were covering for the union bureaucracy supporting Johnson’s war in Vietnam.
At the same time, as a college flunkout who endured them no end, I think elitism and classism have to be fought wherever they are found.
As for “2) Never vote for a Democrat or a Republican,” to me it’s not a principle, it’s a tactical question. After all, Ron Paul is a Republican, and the NPA hopes to run a candidate in the Democratic primaries.
Personally, I’ve been on both sides of the Democrat/independent fence, and am equally comfortable (or uncomfortable as the case may be) with either. Certainly, in the 2012 generals, it will be the moment to vote independent.
“It’s really all about choosing to live and act in a committed way, for as long as you live. And nobody really wants to hear that, much less accept that.”; yup.
“People want some sort of one hit, one shot, right now, silver bullet solution and it’s not going to work out that way.” ; television, drug of the nation.
BTW, thought you were going to do a diary on the Lib of Congress archive today; I’ll wait til tomorrow to see if you do and if not, I’ll bring it to others attention.
But is it an ORGANIZED critical mass? I wrote some stuff on this that you might find interesting, at the risk of tooting my own horn. It’s a lot to read, but it highlights some of the practice and method involved.
http://www.docudharma.com/diary/19723/union-of-the-unemployed-what-organizing-looks-like
http://www.docudharma.com/diary/20609/boots-outside-the-box
http://www.docudharma.com/diary/20749/organize-the-unorganized
http://www.docudharma.com/diary/20892/to-hell-with-the-middle-class
http://www.docudharma.com/diary/20931/now-jobless-next-homeless-breaking-through
We failed. The tactics worked to the point of getting the 99ers into the public dialogue, but when the best Democrats said they couldn’t get us extensions, the leadership could only keep slamming its collective head into the same brick wall.
There has to be a support structure and resources behind such a drive, as poor people are, well, too damn poor and vulnerable to do it on their own. We NEED middle class support, and working class leadership.
As regards that Lib Congress thing? Running around nursing homes today for a while and ran out of time/energy.
There’s room for more than one diary one that archive subject – I’m just asking if you would do anything BUT the Victor Opera Book of 1919. I’ve got a bit sketched out in my head about that. But there’s tons of other material in that archive and people should really look into it.
Thank you! I blush.
…flaming revolutionaries…
*heh* The real FireBaggers…! ;-)
Not me ubetcha. Keep looking.
Thanks. I will give it a good look.
We don’t presently have a lot of working class leadership. We need the progressives. Being a headless body sucks. We work. We need somebody to tell us that its our job to throw out the Fascists. If the progressives and the Unions could get along they could do a lot to get us started. But they would have to have the balls to call for a populist movement against the Democrats and Republicans.
Oh well. It’s late. Keep up the good work Jeff.
Agreed. I am persuaded to vote with the NPA. If they don’t endorse a candidate I will register Republican and vote Ron Paul.
Dude, please – don’t even joke about that shit :)
BTW, workingclass, the NPA website is now up! (I seem to recall something about a donation from you and perhaps a small cadre of peers?)
The unions will never do that, because their leadership was long ago co-opted by the neoliberal elite (read: Democrats). But there still is a labor movement in which individuals are educating workers that it is their job to throw out the fascists. One such individual is Alan Maki.
Maki is the Director of Organizing for the Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council, a rank-and-file initiative supported solely by the dues and contributions of its members and casino workers around the country. It is NOT affiliated with the AFL-CIO or its affiliates because the AFL-CIO unions are so embedded with the Democratic Party.
The Democrats get millions of dollars in campaign contributions from the native American gaming industry, in return for sweetheart “Compacts” with BIg Labor, which leave casino workers without any rights.
Worse (if that’s possible), union pension funds are the primary source of capital for building the casinos – using teacher union pension funds being primarily, followed by the Teamsters, then the building trades.
AFL-CIO unions are constantly offering these casino managements “better deals” as soon as Maki’s group gets a management that’s about to come to the bargaining table. His organization doesn’t have any contracts yet but its organizing campaigns have resulted in major wage increases.
Clearly, Alan Maki is the kind of independent voice for REAL worker representation that is needed, and he’s a member of the NPA Steering Committee.
We should begin any discussion of change with an attempt to understand why we, collectively, behave the way we do. We share one idea-that human nature, allegedly derived from hunter-gatherer ancestors, is aggressive and dishonest and that we are seriously deficient. Kant said nothing straight can be built from the crooked timber of humanity.
Our situation is also ambiguous. We don’t know why we are here on earth or what happens to us after we die. We engage in “collective thinking”, many of us holding the same idea, as our way of turning faith into fact. We so need our constructs, we often kill those who refuse to go along. God is an example of collective thinking.
A theory called “self image psychology” promulgated by Harry Stack Sullivan holds that individual behavior derives from a person’s self image. We can extrapolate self image psychology to explain collective behavior. Our negative collective image of humanity drives our need for class structure and the need of nations, groups of individuals, to defeat other nations. We have been driven insane by inferiority. When you realize how difficult it is to cure individual insanity,(to get an individual to think better of himself) you have some idea of how difficult curing collective insanity will be. It may not even be possible.
Superb stuff, jeffroby.
Absolutely.
Recommended to the consideration of all at FDL.
Our species is at the point of must-decide.
Either individuals join in fashioning a genuine participatory democracy, worldwide, basically socialistic in nature, as the fundamental nature of healthy human beings IS social, or the last Dark Age is upon us and such sentiency as we may claim will perish when the last of us grudgingly “departs” …
To get from the present day “here” to a genuinely sustainable and just “there” will require compelling narrative, psychological maturity, and, as well, certain basic things that MUST be agreed upon as necessary to enlightened human existence.
You have touched significantly upon all these requirements and necessities, jeffroby, most ably and well.
ekunin remarks clearly, as well, upon the dire limits of tribalism and implies, equally clearly, our desperate need, collectively and individually, of the courage to entertain and embrace a more reasoned and compassionate view of ourselves and of nature and the difficulty of the task before us.
What more worthwhile endeavor may we engage than the salvation, literally, of the potential and promise of life, our own and those who should have the opportunity of living long after we are dust and long gone from living or even recorded memory?
My appreciation to the writer of this diary and to the entire community who meet here and consider our fate, our time, and our purpose.
Thank you, all.
DW
“It’s really all about choosing to live and act in a committed way, for as long as you live.”
People need to tack this to their bathroom mirrors…and read it every morning.
We are wired to think metaphorically through the use of symbols and archetypes.
The Enlightenment and the scientific discoveries that followed freed us from the old mythologies and the chains of religion. Unfortunately however, the Newtonian paradigm has removed us from a small earth-centered universe and placed us in an incomprehensibly vast and cold and indifferent universe ruled by chance. We become and then we cease to be. Nothing we do changes anything and there is no reason to do or not do anything. Our consciousness is trapped inside our heads and the reality we perceive out there is only a movie produced by chemical reactions and sensors playing inside our heads. Little wonder that we feel disconnected, alone, and afraid. Welcome to post-modern angst and the search for meaning.
We need a new metaphor and my wife and I are living and building one that is based on science. It rejects the erroneous and incredibly damaging notion of original sin and places the Golden Rule where it belongs: the foundation rule from which all other rules are derived.
Stay tuned.
Namaste
“The bullshit left argument is that if we shut down certain parts of the economy, that money can be invested elsewhere.”
That money can be invested elsewhere is the whole point. I don’t understand the characterization as bullshit. We’ve suffered a radical redistribution of wealth over the past 10 years (beyond Reagan’s wildest wet dreams); reversing everyone’s fortunes over the next 10 years would benefit the majority and weaken the wealthy elite. Require the conversion of weapons factories to wind turbine/solar water heater/high speed rail line and train/etc factories and keep the employees or put them out of business. Institute single-payer health care and redirect premiums/profits from the for-profit health insurance companies (whose employees are mostly outsourced because electronically filed claims can be processed anywhere in the world, usually India, so Indian employment rates would be impacted more than ours) to actual health care; it’s fallacious to argue that doctors and nurses would skedaddle. Unlike other countries, the US has the capability to grow or make everything needed to sustain our population and recirculate money throughout our own economy to ensure at least a healthy minimum standard of living; we can be entirely self-sufficient if we choose to be and trade only when we want to, not because we have to.
The best argument is that we can shut down certain parts of the economy – the parts that serve only the PTB (e.g., the TBTFs, health insurance companies, fossil fuel companies) – and invest that money elsewhere. Contrary to first calling it BS, you actually agree with this statement, but then say, oh, we can’t because the PTB will institute martial law and shoot us all. Think how complacent we the masses have been about our wealth being radically redistributed away from us to the 1%s. I don’t think we have to worry about a revolution anytime soon. Continuously analyzing the denotations and connotations of capitalism and socialism and their myriad applications is simply banging your head against the wall here and now. Go Van Jones (pre-Obama) or go home.
I found a friend:
“The Left needs to restructure and work together.
I’m not sure how to do it, but you, and Tony and NPA, and Glen Greenwald and HuffPro need to work with all the voices of discontent here and around the web. There needs to be a “progress wiki” or something to actually get everybody on ‘the same page.’ Right now, working in the capitalist system, as in your example about the banks, FDL and HuffPro and Kos and everybody are to busy slitting each others throats fighting for eyeballs …”
- and I already gave up on the idea, that there might be some kind of ‘solidarity’ in my lifetime in my homeland on the left.
But there you are – and I really felt like I HAVE to lift your spirit. So I registered and want to tell you: It’s not true that “nobody is really, truly, working for humanity or this planet, and each is worried about ‘who’ and ‘ego’ and profit”.
I am a proud member of the German Greens and they are pretty successful ‘working for humanity and this planet’ – and as you mentioned “the downfall of the US Left is that they are too individualistic and cannot work together” while in just one election the right-wing is able (again) to put the craziest lunatics in government while the so called Left stands by complaining that ‘democracy is broken’ and is discussing crazy ideas like ‘protest votes’.
Good article. I’D just add, multi-party democracy means just that. 3 is not a magic number either. One might hope for 4 or 5 parties at a national level, especially in a country of 310 million people. But baby steps at first, obviously.
The left argument is bullshit to the extent the left thinks it can just pass a bill re-directing investment and that will happen.
Two examples (where the specific re-investment wasn’t federally directed):
(1) The banks were bailed out, and this didn’t inspire the big banks to start giving out loans — the money still sits in their vaults.
(2) There was supposed to be a “peace dividend” following the fall of the Soviet Union. Didn’t happen
I don’t doubt that “money can be invested elsewhere.” We could certainly “Require the conversion of weapons factories to wind turbine/solar water heater/high speed rail line and train/etc factories and keep the employees or put them out of business.” But the key word is “require.” I fear that many would rather go out of business than comply. And such conversion would take public funds. Then what would happen with the business impacted by this, such as other energy companies, or the airlines?
The bullshit is in thinking this might be easy.
Good and thought provoking piece.
My gut feeling is that there needs to be a critical mass of popular discontent before people in sufficient numbers are willing to look in new directions for answers and that we are simply not to that point yet. As long as people feel that there is potentially more to lose than to gain from reshuffling the ideological deck people will tend to (and not altogether unreasonably) stay with the devil they know. Look at the current Maghreb for a rough idea of where that critical mass of discontent may exist today.
While we wait for conditions to deteriorate sufficiently for the average person to become open to the possibility of fundamental change- and I’m not hoping for or even predicting that will necessarily happen, I have little faith in predictive arts- about all we can realistically do is try to build a consensus on a coherent, internally consistent set of broad policy directions that can be presented as a viable alternative to inertially riding the status quo to the bottom. I think we need to think in terms of broad big picture stuff as more specific policy detail will need to be created ad hoc to reflect whatever situation the present one evolves into and that is best treated as essentially an unknowable. Besides, it is altogether too easy to get lost in and divided over the fine policy detail that deals with ephemeral reality as we have no real way of knowing the timescales we are operating in.
If things become sufficiently hard for the average American, everything will be on the table and people will be willing to look at real change, look at what the Great Depression made possible. If however the powers that be can arrest the slide and restore confidence in the status quo, then progressive change will have to be incremental and along the policy margins. Frankly the non-ideological part of me hopes this what happens, but if things get significantly worse we need to be ready with a hopeful policy agenda. You can bet the regressives will, with their fear mongering, racism, xenophobia and appeals to people’s worst nature. Crises can breed both FDRs and Hitlers, we need to be prepared to offer a cogent vision of hope and tolerance should it come to that.
And I for one hope we fail because things never get that bad.
Thank you. I’m trying.
You open a big can here. I do not hold to the view that misery brings revolt. Sometimes it brings more misery, more passivity, out of fear. What misery CAN bring is the potential for organization.
How one sees this depends on where one is sitting. You can look out at history from the outside, as it were, and see misery followed by revolt. But viewing it from the inside, it would more like — in times of misery — actual people ORGANIZE revolt. Thus in Egypt, revolt didn’t just happen. It was organized, and anyone INSIDE the process could have seen it coming. We get a skewed view from the U.S. media because they were, then, now and always, OUTSIDE the process and can only blink in wonder.
Thus what I call for is to have organizations built NOW, in advance of the coming misery. And let the media wonder where it came from.
I think you are wrong here. Redirecting defense spending into public infrastructure investment would only be difficult politically. The spending would have to be directed through public channels though- think of the TVA/BPA model as a useful analog. The transition would actually be economically stimulative even short term. Much of current defense spending is spent on building hardware and for missions that consume vast quantities of imported oil and as far as multiplier effects and impacting economic productivity, infrastructure investments and particular those on renewable energy and transportation would provide much greater economic and monetary benefit in both the short and longer term.
Redirecting defense spending towards needed infrastructure would a win/win in economic terms with the downsides being mitigatable given the potential savings and limited to isolated localities dependent on bases or military manufacturing.
“would only be difficult politically”? Only? Only?
But that’s my entire point. It would have to be directed through public channels. Look, I’m all for it. But both the economy and the political system have gotten themselves into a deathlock where even small changes have distant shockwaves, and the fact is that what you propose would be tantamount to revolution. Not logically, perhaps, but in actual realpolitik.
And I’m all for it.
The bullshit is in repeating damned if we do and damned if we don’t. You write in terms of the status quo, but that just makes you go around in circles. The banks should never have been bailed out. If the TBTFs had failed, then the fake balance sheets would have been exposed and the TBTFs wouldn’t still exist and some of the banksters might be in jail and any real money that was left could have been redistributed. But we maintained the status quo.
Why would you “fear” that weapons manufacturers would rather go out of business than convert to a non-nefarious purpose? I’d like to see them all go out of business permanently.
And, frankly, who gives a shit what would happen to “other energy” (fossil fuel) companies? They go out of business, the CEOs and shareholders don’t get taxpayer subsidies anymore, feh. The same workers currently employed by fossil fuel companies could be employed by alternative energy companies.
The bullshit is the hand wringing and worrying about what would happen to the rich people.
The status quo is where we are now, by definition. I’m not in the least worried about what would happen to the rich. I am worried about the economic dislocations that would occur if some changes were made without preparing for the shockwaves that would follow.
So you say, let the banks fail? Fine. Then be prepared to institute a massive government WPA-style jobs program. I’m saying you can’t just mess with one part of the system in isolation.
My whole piece is devoted to how we break out of the circle.
Yes absolutely, the organizational infrastructure is/will be critical. I’m not yet seeing a coalescence of progressive thought around any coherent institutions, things are still fractured and factionalized on the Left with that Pseudo-left elephant/donkey in the room the Democratic Party bleeding off and neutralizing a lot of the potential focus.
We are operating in a new age though with the internet. A consensus organizational voice for the Left could given the right conditions I think emerge from the din with an alacrity that dinosaurs like me would have trouble imagining. It might need to be a coalition, but one with a sense of common purpose or it could be a new unitary institution. The situation is fluid probably beyond my ability to imagine today, and I’d hate to rule any possibility in or out.
We live in an age of personality and celebrity. I have a feeling an organizational network could emerge very quickly around one charismatic person with popular appeal. It may well be that the old paradigm of capital and time intensive storefronts, hardcopy printed material, rolladexes of contributors, physical conventions, old boy networks, bumperstickers etc. etc. is no longer a prerequisite for effective political organization and the threshold for emergent and effective organizational frameworks may now be lower than we might suppose.
Obviously I could be wrong though. It’s just a feeling.
I just tweeted that quote with credit to Kelly Canfield. Damn. The whole thing fit.
Jeff…
It’s this simple. Nobody can order anyone to work in the morning. Everybody in society chooses everyday to cooperate and play their role that day.
That’s where our power is, and where the elites are powerless. They cannot force anyone to get up and grow crops. They cannot force anyone to go guard a jail. They can’t force anyone take care of patients. Or sell paint. Or make pancakes at a diner.
The rich can’t make anyone go do anything.
We have to re-acquired the knowledge that we all have the power to stop the cycle of abuse of the work force by the wealthy. We just have to cooperate with each other instead of owner class.
I heart this comment.
“In summary, food, housing, medical care, decent jobs, education, and a strong safety net as basic human rights, with the economy accountable to the community in a serious way. The Socialist Party (SP), the Green New Deal Coalition, and the NY Working Families Party (WFP) have more or less parallel positions, the SP a little stronger on government control of the economy and union matters, the WFP more short-term legislation-oriented. Why do I call these reforms system-busters? One common left attitude is that the capitalists are driven by greed, they amass obscene amounts of personal luxuries, and are rolling in dough. Thus we can simply tax (or seize) their obscene wealth and use it to provide jobs and safety net for everyone. Sorry, wouldn’t work. While individual capitalists may drink their Bloody Marys mixed with the blood of proletarian babies, the capitalist SYSTEM isn’t doing so well. We can point to corporate profit margins and all that. But those profits are illusory.”
The fact that the PTB can’t present a proper balance sheet is irrelevant because no one bothers to ask them for one anyway. The PTB have obscene amounts of money at their disposal. They can keep it – the status quo – or it can be redistributed.
“Then the shit would hit the fan. They’d get us like they got Allende. To refresh our memories, the Marxist Salvador Allende was elected president of Chile in 1970. He pursued a policy of nationalizing mining and healthcare, collectivizing agriculture, and improving the lot of the poor. In response, the CIA and ITT conspired with Chilean landowners to ‘make the economy scream,’ through disinvestment and sabotage, while urging the Chilean military to stage a coup. In 1973, Chilean generals led by Augusto Pinochet staged a coup, killed Allende, and instituted a fascist regime that hunted down and murdered the left.”
So, we’re to believe there’s no money to be had and if we try to reacquire the nonexistent money originally redistributed away from us that is paraded ostentatiously before us every day, we’ll be hunted down and murdered. That’s maintaining the status quo (the fear and “our country is bankrupt” poverty mantra) and a circular argument or jerk or firing squad.
Your premise is “So you say you want a revolution.” Well, do you or don’t you? The economic dislocations that you cite affect primarily the PTB, and they’re exactly the ones who need to suffer them. People who are the bottom because they’ve already been shocked into destitution and misery will welcome the shockwaves coming back in the other direction and lifting them up.
Ha! Firebaggers = the peeps Kos peeps loathe.
I’m in.
Wow, billthechowchow, you seem to think that just saying or imagining something – or citing past Progrressie achievements – will make them happen today. It won’t: Progressive/Socialist thought, let alone policy, has been squelched since the days of the TVA and before (since 1917, when America converted its economy to one dependent upon perpetual war, to be precise).
You really need to get a copy of Hedges’ Death of the Liberal Class to understand the real depth of the shit we are in. If we don’t begin by doggedly pursuing and enlisting enough popular support for Progressivism – and AIN’T gonna come from the UniParty now ruling us, believe me – we are doomed. Simple as that.
newprogs.org, Kurt. Check your inbox… :)
I’ve been deliberately side-stepping the matter of charismatic leaders emerging. In the mid-60′s, various leaders did emerge (besides King and Malcolm X). They tended to be left-liberals who could get some media coverage. Their politics were shockingly weak in hindsight, but their significance was that they validated and moralized us, while the media was trying to treat us as non-existent kooks. The closest to them these days is Olbermann, and that says a lot. Or Kucinich. But he’s accepted the box.
True. My piece posits the precariousness of the system as a danger, and it is. But that precarity presents opportunity as well. Very different from the 60′s, when the movement was massive, but the system was still pretty solid.
The Greens programs are substantially what has been in place in Canada for a number of years. It’s stunning how the two political systems and peoples, originating from a common source, living next door to each other, have diverged. It would take eons for US society to adopt such programs, if it were possible at all, which I don’t think it is.
The trick is in “substantially.” That can convey a very wide range of meanings.
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Please elaborate.
There is a much easier way right before the dog hits the tire. Capitalism doesn’t work as all we get are huge monopolies and people who are asking for more tax-cuts when 500 of them have more wealth than 155 Million Americans combined. There is no such thing as “free-market capitalism in this country They have refined stealing from the poor so well that we now bail out those capitalist with our tax dollars when they go belly-up and laugh all the way to the bank to hoard some more money.
Quit listening to paid off corporate whore economist who work for universities and line their pockets with corporate cash.
The answer is so simplistic it takes 3 sentences. Too bad no one seems to be able to connect the dots. I’ve laid it out several times and I am not going tit-for-tat with something that is unworkable.
Yes, “NOTA”, protest votes, not voting, are not the way to change a system. The electoral process is not the only way, but it must include a committed, and active group, based on a movement that can carry the energy, the policies, the actual numbers of people that can then move the intellectual (gasp), moral (another gasp), political conversation and action to the policies this country needs to remain a civilized habitat. My answer to that is also vote, work, and be Green.
Here is my basic question:
I’m in, but I have absolutely no interest in attempting to work within the Democratic Party, convince them to field better candidates, etc. because as far as I can see, that goal is completely unshared by the Party itself – take the Blanche Lincoln race in Arkansas as proof of that. Also, the Progressive Caucus itself is proof – they are the LARGEST caucus in congress but they get rolled by a few Blue Dogs each and every time.Why should I waste my time?
About as far as I am willing to go is to give a tepid endorsement as “slightly lesser evil” in a race if there is no viable Third Party/Progressive candidate.
I went over to the NPA website, like the platform, such as it is and would be willing to sign up, volunteer, etc. but I don’t want to be led down some garden path of working for Progressive Democrats.
I like your post very much but still can’t discern your goal. Organize who around what?
I agree with the point that if some credible progressive person could be drafted as a figurehead it would lend momentum to any movement. I would suggest people like Russ Feingold , Grayson, Weiner, etc if they ever got sick of their party and could be convinced to be the head of a movement. Or perhaps the head of Physicians for a National Health or the head of the California Nurses union – people like that who are already leaders for a portion of the platform.
I await your advice/comment
“Organize who around what?”
Let me give the cheap answer first: organize everyone around creating jobs, decent healthcare for all, get the U.S. out of Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, etc.
Another answer: build an alliance between progressive Democrats and progressive independents.
At another level: organize organizers with an understanding of the terminal crisis of capitalism, and some broad commitment to building independent base organizations.
Specifically: build fighting organizations of the poor.
Sounds mushy? Yeah. All these overlap. I don’t have a roadmap all the way to serious restructuring of the economy and society at large. At this point, I think we need a general commitment to independent organization per se, as we still haven’t organized ourselves, let alone teams of organizers. My focus is on process. We need to develop a process in which other questions can be engaged.
The problem isn’t coming up with good ideas, it’s coming up with ways of talking about such ideas in such a way that they can be realized.
As far as I can tell, a large percentage of people are already coherent about wanting jobs and decent healthcare and getting out of Afghanistan, etc. They’re pretty much self-organized, they just aren’t recognized by anyone at any national level. The Republicans revile them and the Dems ridicule or ignore them but still count on their votes
These people (and I count myself among them) just don’t have any central locus to organize around and they’re all milling around looking for one.
I hate to say it, but you do sound mushy. You sound like, “My dad has a barn, let’s put on a play!”
Ok, we are all agreed to want to put on a play.We get that. I would say most are past that point. We have all the small players and walk-ons assembled, and a large number of tickets are sold in advance. Only one problem – no play and no leads cast.
We can organize all the poor people we want and supply signs and banners that say “we want jobs and healthcare or else!” Or else what? We stay home and don’t vote? Then we get the same Repubs and DINOS we would have gotten in the first place.
If you build it, they will come. You seem to be saying we’ll build it after they come.
I honestly don’t see any overlap between Progressive Democrats and Progressive Independents. If we form an alliance, who do we vote for? Oh. The Democrats. The same Democrats who are busily lying when they want our votes but working against us when in office.
I’m still eagerly awaiting for the vacuum of leadership to be filled. Somewhere, right now there is a new leader of the people, the poor, the forgotten, the downtrodden, the used up and discarded middle class and the kicked in the nuts working class. You, know, the guy we thought we were getting when we voted in Mr Hopey Changy Did I Really Say That Stuff?
Anyway, I’m not trying to rain on your parade. I’m actually trying to say the parade is here, let’s all of us not let it pass us by.
No,they’re not. If they were, we’d see it by their actions. This is where our understandings diverge all down the line.
As for organizing all the poor people we want, I gather you haven’t tried it. If we did, there are all sorts of things we could do around benefits, foreclosures, etc. But it is extraordinarily difficult. Part of what being organized is that people have some cohesion, and we can get everyone out of the same pool at the same time. No, we don’t have that.
As for “any overlap between Progressive Democrats and Progressive Independents,” overlap is your term. We could have them organized around a similar set of populist demands. We could work both the Dem primaries and then go independent in the generals.
OK, I’m this close to registering and volunteering and doing whatever I can but I am confused about one point on your website.
I am a disaffected Dem. I categorically reject the Party the same way I feel they have rejected me, despite decades of voting Party Line I have ended up with the New Nixonians only not as progressive, bitter chuckle.
Now, given that, your frontpage seemed to be all about forging new alliances,a new party (I think) yet at the same time you spoke about a primary opponent for Obama. Would that be within the Democratic Party? How does that work? What is the benefit? What Democrat could you convince to be the sacrificial scapegoat? Are you serious about that battle? Are you fighting to win it or to make a protest? If you’re not fighting to win it,is the plan to cause a schism and use that as the jumping off point for a new party – which effort I would openly applaud.
What’s the plan,Stan?
Here’s the trick, dominick.
Speaking for me but not officially for the NPA, there are millions of progressives in the Democratic Party who feel themselves unrepresented but don’t think they have anywhere to go. The idea is to run a populist primary candidate against Obama, highlighting the vast chasm between the party leadership and the party base.
It would not expect to win. Upon losing the primaries, the candidate and or his/her supporters would then move to pull that base to support an independent candidate in the generals. By working both sides of the street, it has the potential to create a much bigger turnout for the independent than the usual ritual sub-1% they’ve gotten in recent years.
At the same time, the NPA can actually consolidate those voters into a lasting structure.
At least that’s the idea, Medea.
“The idea is to run a populist primary candidate against Obama, highlighting the vast chasm between the party leadership and the party base.”
Ok,but does such a person exist? And if you guys have someone who is going to be a jack-in-the-box and jump out at the last moment, you don’t have to reveal a name, you can just say yes or no.
If you don’t have someone, then time and energy is better spent, IMHO, by just moving on and drafting some credible independent candidate to lead this new alliance, labor movement, bottom-up movement or whatever you want to call it.
Because of all the incredible hoops a new party and candidate would have to jump through, I kind of always envisioned this movement as having to by-pass all traditional media – not like it’s a choice, the traditional media and organizations will be avoiding a new party and candidate like the plague, and rely on a write-in movement. It’s important not to get a candidate with a name like Blenheim MacFartle or anything tricky (I’m kidding, but not – they’ll be loving to toss out all misspelled ballots)
It would be an extra kick to the curb to all the institutions that have abandoned us if a ignored, under the radar, under-financed, ridiculed campaign (which this independent campaign would be all of the above) developed enough critical mass through the internet and social media to just give a big FU to the Parties and the corporate MSM.
THAT would be exhilarating. I think it’s completely improbably, but not impossible, especially after witnessing the Arab uprisings.
I applaud you and all your efforts to actually DO something. I just urge you to think unconventionally. This is something that could be won in living rooms like a Tupperware party.
As far as I know, we have no such candidate. Still looking.