Whoever wins, after election day it will [continue to] be bloody, for the poor, for the working class, even for that mythical creature known as the middle class. And it’s that bloody morning after we should be thinking about.
Any plan that does not embrace the day after is no plan at all
I recall my volunteer days working on Democratic Party campaigns in San Francisco in the 70’s. The campaign staff would work us into a frenzy — lit drops, registration tables, etc. (but not community outreach, that was their turf). All for the glorious cause. It served two purposes. Of course it did further the glorious cause, rent control, district elections, defeating Prop 13, whatever. But more importantly to the paid honchos, it left the troops exhausted, burnt out, and hung over. Meanwhile, the Democratic heavies were poised like jackals to move in the day after and grab up the spoils, steal the credit, allocate the blame, and divvy up the staff jobs while the rest of us were left with bitter memories of opportunities squandered.
Wake me when it’s over
I’m getting deadly bored with the state of the current debate. Just how bad is Obama? How much worse is Romney? Is either a lesser evil? Or are they equal evils? At this point, minds are made up, and the debate has become a lifeless ritual masking a dearth of strategic thinking.
For the record, I am fully supporting — indeed, working for — the Jill Stein/Cheri Honkala ticket and the Green Party. But those bold radicals who say over and over that they can’t comprehend why anyone would vote for Obama? At the least, they show a shocking lack of imagination.
The key question, in my opinion, is not whether the Greens are programmatically better or morally superior — though they are easily both — but whether they can grow into a significant force in the coming decade. I contend that they can. But for that to happen, it will require transformation of the left and, more importantly, transformation of the Green Party itself. I also contend that such transformation is now underway, and has the potential, along with the Occupy movement, to transform the left.
It’s all Nader’s fault
A superficial review of the last several Green presidential campaigns does not give great cause for optimism. After Nader received 2,883,105 votes (2.74%) as the Green candidate in 2000, the party went into steep decline. In 2004, David Cobb squeaked out 119,859 votes (0.096%), and in 2008 facing the Obama juggernaut, Cynthia McKinney managed 161,603 (0.12%) or 5.6% of Nader’s 2000 tally. 2012 will be different, quantitatively and qualitatively.
First, Stein has polled at 3% of the vote, according to OpEdNews, with a jarring 1% in battleground Ohio. Those numbers may shrink some as we are engulfed by lesser-evil frenzy, but it could still potentially rival Nader’s 2.74%. But it’s not just Stein’s personal numbers that are making Democrats (not only in Ohio) sweat. For a vote for less-known Stein is not so much a vote for a celebrity as it is a vote for a party, and a party is a much tougher sell than a personality.
Nader catches blame from all sides, most frequently for having cost Gore the 2000 election, especially from those who conveniently forget his running mate, Joe Lieberman. But in independent circles, he is excoriated for his failure to run so as to build the Green Party itself, rather than advance his own fame.
And I say yeah, yeah, that’s all true. But at least as significant is the failure of the Green Party itself to use Nader to build the party. After all, when you invite a big-name celebrity to carry your banner, you get … a big-name celebrity doing the same things he did to become a big-name celebrity in the first place (“you knew I was a snake before you let me in,” as the old song goes).
Could then a smarter Green Party have been able to equal Nader’s numbers in 2004? Of course not. As I mentioned, a left party is a harder sell than a big name. Still, there was a massive failure to consolidate. Could it have been different? Maybe not, even probably not. Experience counts. But this is 2012 and it’s a very different ballgame. We now have a party working to act like a party.
As David McCorquodale, co-chair of the party’s newspaper Green Pages, wrote in the Fall 2012 issue, “… into the breach stepped the pairing of Dr. Jill Stein as candidate and Ben Manski as campaign manager … The campaign began to assume a role that we might expect the National Party to fill, but which it currently can’t do for lack of money and volunteers … So what is going on here? I believe we are seeing the evolution of the way the Green Party must operate in order to move forward … The focus of the current campaign is clearly about building the party.”
Then there is the historic moment.
It’s the end of the world …
To be sure, clever leftists have long pointed out the duplicity of the two-party system, the crisis of capitalism, 1066 and all that. But for those of us who still endure the bourgeois media, we see that this has penetrated the mainstream, is in fact becoming the common wisdom. The New York Times almost daily illuminates the plight of the former middle class, Romney is more passionate than Obama about the misery of the poor and factors the underemployed into the unemployment numbers, which Obama is vested in ignoring. All they lack is solutions.
This coincides with (is driven by, and drives) the historic moment. Yes, to the left this is always the “historic moment,” the crisis is upon us, never before, the system exposed, to the barricades, to the barricades, to the barricades! — or at least send us some money — with the regularity of doomsday prophets declaring the end of the world, only 60 shopping days till the end of 2012. We become numb, been there, done that. But yes, Virginia, there really are historic moments.
… and I’m feeling fine
For the Green Party has solutions: government to create jobs, guarantee and strengthen the safety net, and pay for it all by taxing the corporations, ending our wars, and gutting the Pentagon. The liberals aren’t even trying to put forward solutions. Please note that the Green Party, labeled as a bunch of middle-class hippies who love trees more than people, is backing Stein’s Green New Deal, which focuses on jobs, security, welfare, along with war and peace and the environment, and in nominating Cheri Honkala, a leading anti-poverty activist, has opened up the party to building a base among the poor and working people.
Revolution in the Evolution
But truly seizing the moment requires a revolution in the evolution. So I’m stepping out of the debate over what to do on election day. Hopefully my position is clear.
Now I ask, what are your plans for the day after? In 2008, the left lined up for the holy crusade of healthcare reform, and collapsed utterly in the wake of Obama dropping the Public Option and creating instead a massive bailout for the insurance industry. What’s the holy crusade this year? Obama’s jobs program? Doesn’t have one. (Stein calls for “nationally funded but locally controlled direct employment initiative … public sector jobs.”)
Obama’s defense of the safety net? He’s planning “adjustments” to reduce the deficit. (Stein: supports the RIGHT to healthcare, free education, jobs, affordable housing and utilities.)
Obama’s plan for the Middle East? Drone wars, back Israel in crushing the Palestinians, bludgeon Iran, send in more commandos. (Stein: “repealing the Patriot Act … reducing military spending by 50%.”)
Obama’s plans to tax the rich? Making them “pay a little bit more.” (Stein: tax “in proportion to ability to pay … End taxpayer funded bailouts for the banks.”)
And so it goes.
My god! We’re used to our liberal heroes making promises and then breaking them. But Obama isn’t even making promises. And if he loses, does anyone think that congressional Dems will fight for ANYTHING?
Boots on the ground
Once upon a time, radicals fought for the merits of radical solutions over liberal solutions. Now, even liberal solutions are tagged as radical, and liberals are fighting for solutions that were once tagged as conservative. If elections aren’t your thing, then take to the streets by all means. We Greens will represent you. But if you think the electoral arena still has its uses, then the Greens are it. Either way, we have to get free of the clickosphere. You get boots on the ground by putting your damn boots on the ground.
Won’t be easy. I’ve read a variety of criticisms around working with the Greens, serious matters, to be sure. But I think they stem from the Greens being understaffed (or not staffed) and underfunded. Certainly where I am in Florida is a drastic example. Getting off the dime is hard. Incorporating new blood doesn’t lighten the burden on current members. It actually increases that burden on the individuals, even as the organization grows. They call it growing pains for a reason.
But here’s what decides it for me. The party is keenly (even painfully) aware of the historic moment, is committed to transformation, even thirsting for it, and is willing to work through what has to be worked through to make it happen.
Of course, you can always stand aside and wait for the party to become good enough to be worth your participation. Or you can fight like hell to MAKE it happen!



19 Comments

Lol. You and me both, brother. It’s actually somewhat demoralizing that such unending debates seem so prominent. I take this as a symptom of little in the way of long-range plans being offered to get us out of this mess. The idea that the D or R Party would have a credible plan to restore the American middle class is, of course, laughable.
While I would have hoped that the Green Party, e.g., would have some sort of growth/recruiting plan and strategic roadmap, publicly available (which would at least create the possibility of forcing discussions toward a more meaningful path, than just the usual LOTE/Supreme Court/Yadda Yadda Yadda), I’m not seeing that, either.
Well, I would say we need to get free of being mesmerized by it. My own pet belief is that no democratic renaissance will be occurring unless I can look outside my window, and stand a good chance of seeing somebody proselytizing for something political. There is already a great tool, that’s been around for a while, called meetup.com, that can leverage the internet to bring about local, face-to-face networking. I recommend everybody use meetup.com to attend a local tech startup networking event, of which there are many. See if it doesn’t remind you of Occupy Wall Street, in terms of it’s networking potential. (Thankfully, doesn’t remind me of OWS in terms of self-governance via 90%-ish consensus.)
That doesn’t mean that whoever will be (finally) utilizing public space to organize real political muscle for us little people will be guaranteed to do so effectively. (Indeed, some efforts in this direction seem either thoughtless, or else designed to fail.)
As they say in mathematical logic, a persistent public presence is “necessary, but not sufficient”, IMO.
At this point in the election cycle, “boots on the ground” for those with Green sympathies will almost certainly be GOTV. However, you wisely speak about the day after election day.
Can we expect to see a plan that involves recruitment into the Green Party fold, soon after election day, from the GP? Stein campaign? yourself?
Since you are a tiny cog in the Green Party wheel, if both the GP bigwigs and the Stein campaign punt, what is your plan to enhance collaboration with other Green Party cogs? I would think you’d want a greenpartyUnderground.com website, at the very least. It’d be nice if FDL would grant you and yours a subweb for that purpose, but past history indicates that won’t happen.
I have given many suggestions, however nobody seems interested in following my suggestions. Well, it’s other’s people’s turns. :-)
Also, I’m not averse to re-posting my suggestions at a GreenPartyUnderground.com website, since trying to communicate with the Stein campaign, and then with her campaign manager, didn’t even merit a response. For all I know, the dog ate me emails/webmails, and Stein is going to make like Nader, after the election, and disappear, Green Party-wise.
Our plan at the New Progressive Alliance (http://newprogs.org/) is to have candidates first commit to the Unified Progressive Platform (at http://newprogs.org/unified-progressive-platform-ratified and similar to the ten points of the Green Party) and then disavow those who stray so we avoid the LOTE that Jeff talks about. Initially we have 54 candidates from 23 states who supported the UPP (http://newprogs.org/blog/2012/07/03/29-candidates-17-states-and-counting) which is a pretty good start for the first time out. By far the greatest number are of the Green Party which tends to support Jeff’s contention that for all their faults, they are the best game in town.
Of course, this is one very small part of just the political effort. At most it is a small piece of the puzzle, but we are doing what we can. I believe it was in Dump Capitalism 7 that Jeff talked about trying to get something going in Florida by having a meet up at an out of the way diner. At first nobody showed up and Jeff figured he did what he could. Eventually two others showed up and the three did what they could. I believe that is the way. Or, to quote Jeff,
Here’s a simple plan that is being implemented:
Get a list of voters who are registered Green, some on the list showing phone numbers. On a county-by-county basis, call those numbers. Then you find which of those numbers are disconnected, wrong, moved, etc. Now you’ve got a better list. Among those you reach, find out which are still interested in the Green Party. Now your list is better yet. Then you figure out what to do with the good ones.
But first you have to reach the good ones.
This is not rocket science, and it doesn’t require a master plan personally signed by Jill Stein. It’s just work, and it is starting to get done. Your comment, in a sense, wonders why the party’s paid staff isn’t doing a better job in commanding the troops. But what if that staff doesn’t exist? What if they are overwhelmed by the mundane work of maintaining the MINIMUM level of coherence?
My point is that you have to look at the direction things are moving in, with what resources they have, rather than holding up a model that simply does not apply.
But all you know isn’t much. In some ways, things in the Greens are both much worse than you think, AND much better.
The question I would put to the NPA is, if you support a candidate, just what does that support entail? What is the NPA’s plan?
I surmise that the plan is to create a coalition held together by adherence to the platform, but what would that coalition do?
Let’s say the list building and list qualifying are the most important parts of any plan that one can conceive of.
If the GP paid staff won’t solicit and organize volunteers to carry out that list building and qualifying, and if the Jill Stein campaign won’t do so, how can an effective, nationwide effort come about?
Does this not point to the need for a GreenPartyUnderground.com website? Which will either directly try to coordinate and stimulate such efforts; or else will give prominent mention to some other group or groups doing so.
You certainly can’t rely on local GP members, who are willing to do list building and qualifying, chancing upon this diary at MyFDL. It’ll have scrolled off the front page, in 3 days, max…..
Let me respond to this quickly.
I see the Green Party as lacking in volunteers, money, and staff, to actually carry out things it is committed to. So I write this urging more radicals to get involved in actually building it. Then it would have more volunteers, who could raise money, and hire staff.
You essentially attack the party for its lack of the above. The basis of my analysis that things are moving and that Stein will not go the way of Nader is that I am actually working with the Greens. The basis of yours is that they are not answering your e-mails which propose things that they can’t just do at the snap of your fingers.
Reminds me of those czarist generals marching on Petrograd, roaring, just give me one good division and I’ll disperse this Bolshevik rabble! Give me just one good battalion and I’ll scatter this peasant trash! Give me even just one good company … but the problem was, they didn’t have “just one good company.”
There is no need for a Green Party Underground, website or otherwise, because building the party has become in fact the above-ground policy of the party.
The party works through its state organizations, and in Florida the party works through its county organizations, and in many counties it has no organization whatsoever. Getting from here to there is a rather difficult operation, and even if Jill Stein (or anyone else) snapped her fingers and gave all the commands you wish she would give, it would not work. It can only be accomplished through a process which you do not understand and do not have the time for.
So why are you writing to undermine my diary?
Our activities right now are on candidates and other activities.
Candidates: Before the election: We have gotten candidates from any party to endorse the UPP and then have a fairly full description of their positions and contact points on our website. We also mention them on our Facebook page. Getting people of different third parties together and giving them some publicity is helpful in avoiding another circular firing squad. After the Election: At my level I don’t know. We have been very busy keeping up with our other activities so your question is very apt.
Other Activities: The activities are for NPA individuals and NPA as an organization. For individuals, most of us volunteer with the Green Party or Occupy, although there are other causes. You accurately described us once as a good faith effort to create a new organization that actually does something out of the blogosphere. We recognize your wisdom on the necessity of getting boots on the ground and getting what you organize. For NPA activities I think the best thing to do is list our tentative annual report for 2012 so far, but because it is long I will put it in the next entry.
Final Question: Did “the Bloody Morning After” in the title come from the song “One Tin Soldier”?
Here is the answer to your question on the other activities of the New Progressive Alliance so far in 2012.
2012 Annual Report
• The New Progressive Alliance (NPA) continued to expand our organizational outreach and are now allied with twelve other national and international organizations including 350, America Changes Today, Antemedius, Corporate Reform Coalition, Global Campaign for Climate Action (Tck Tck Tck), Move to Amend, Occupy Washington, DC; Old Elm Tree, Peaceful Uprising, Rootstrikers, Tar Sand Actions, and We Are the Democracy. (see http://newprogs.org/our-allies)
• Facebook likes (readers who subscribe to our articles) have grown steadily and are now over 700. Many readers share our articles for wider circulation and NPA members publish to a wider audience with their own money. (see https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Progressive-Alliance/172365886150915?sk=wall&filter=1)
• Together with the Corporate Reform Coalition we petitioned the Security and Exchange Commission to mandate disclosure of corporate political activity. (See http://www.citizen.org/documents/corporate-reform-coalition-statement.pdf)
• We petitioned the House Ways and Means Committee encouraging congress to extend and make permanent the Wind Energy Production Tax Credit. It would be a very small fraction of those tax breaks for fossil fuels.
• We petitioned the Environmental Protection Agency encouraging them to limit CO2 for new coal plants. Though a mild measure, it is a step in the right direction.
• We joined with a coalition of good government groups including Common Cause, Public Citizen, People For the American Way and others are calling on Connecticut Governor Dannell Malloy to sign H.B. 5556, “Changes to Campaign Finance Laws and other Election Laws,” which just passed by the General Assembly. The bill would require public disclosure of major corporate and individual donors to Super PACs and other independent groups, bringing increased transparency and accountability to Connecticut’s elections. Though Governor Malloy folded and vetoed the bill, the NPA with other groups publicly held him accountable.
• We continued throughout the year coordinating with the United Nations to become an officially recognized Non Government Organization (NGO) so as to better carry out the ten goals of our Unified Platform. The NPA made the deadline in 2012 by submitting much documentation to be considered as an NGO in 2013.
• In May we signed on with 13 other groups on short notice including Common Cause, the League of Women Voters, and Union of Concerned Scientists to oppose Senate Bill 1100. This bill would block public disclosure of campaign contributions and political spending by government contractors. We believe disclosure is the solution, not the problem. On July 18, 2012, Representatives Ellison and Eshoo offered the same amendment to the Defense Appropriations bill (HR 5856) and asked that we send a similar letter of support. Though we had only a few hours to react, the NPA was again able to publicly support the disclosure requirements for government contractors.
• The New Progressive Alliance was one of 38 organizations that urged the passage of Senate Disclosure Act of 2012 – US Senate Bill S2219. The legislation would provide the public with basic information about campaign expenditures made by outside groups that are influencing federal elections and the donors financing these expenditures. The legislation would also provide timely disclosure by Super PACs and require outside groups which make campaign expenditures to take responsibility for their campaign ads. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse – the chief sponsor of the DISCLOSE Act – later sought a senate floor vote on the DISCLOSE Act immediately upon the senate returning from recess in mid-July and to highlight the importance of the issue by pushing for an all-night debate session on the senate floor at that time. Whitehouse recirculated the coalition letter endorsing the DISCLOSE Act with the NPA again one of the list of organizations supporting the S2219. Another attempt was made in July and new Disclosure Bill S3369 and the New Progressive Alliance again urged its passage – this time with 156 total signatories.
• Aldous Tyler endorsed our platform and engaged in a serious issue oriented campaign for president by running in the democratic primary. Earlier in the year 2012 after endorsing the Unified Progressive Platform and having discussions with our Facilitator, the NPA endorsed him. The democrats then engaged in stonewalling actions indicating not only did they not want a discussion of the issues, they also did not want a fair election causing Aldous Tyler to eventually drop out. In May Jill Stein of the Green Party endorsed the Unified Progressive Platform followed in June by fellow Presidential candidates Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party and Kent Mesplay of the Green Party.
• Other candidates quickly followed the lead of the candidates running for President of the United States. We had 41 candidates from 21 states endorse the UPP ranging from three presidential and vice presidential candidates to candidates and both houses of congress to state representative, sheriff, state and local school boards, Justice of the Peace, county commissioner, township clerk, and Mosquito Control Board.
• In June we joined with other allies to urge congress to support of the Clean Construction requirement in the Transportation bill. It is important because the World Health Organization confirmed with the highest level of certainty that exposure to diesel engine exhaust can cause cancer, diesel exhaust poses three times the lung cancer risk of all other air toxics in EPA’s latest NATA assessment combined, diesel exhaust causes over 21,000 premature deaths in the U.S. each year, and the black carbon (BC) in diesel pollution is 2000 more potent than CO2 in promoting climate change. Reducing BC is one of the few actions that achieve immediate climate benefits, and a necessary complement to CO2 reductions which take decades to achieve climate benefits. Other organizations we joined with include ALA national, Clean Air Task Force, Southern Alliance for Clean Energy, Clean Air Carolina, Clean Water Action national, and the Respiratory Health Association of Metropolitan Chicago.
• On June 16, we discussed NPA Unified Progressive Platform in Atlanta, Georgia with members of the Occupy Movement and Green Party and then shared political and contact information. Kwabena Nkromo running for the 57th district Georgia HOR on the Green ticket seemed interested in getting an NPA endorsement. The NPA also contacted other members of the Green Party running in Georgia and urged them to endorse our platform.
• We had many candidates endorse our platform and we asked even more. Those 41 endorsing candidates spanned 21 states and ranged from three presidential and vice presidential candidates to candidates for the US Senate, US House of Representatives, state representative, sheriff, state and local school boards, Justice of the Peace, county commissioner, township clerk, and Mosquito Control Board.
• We always hear about how expensive renewable energy is, but little how fossil fuel subsidies dwarf those of renewable energy. A recent example is the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) plans to give Peabody Energy the rights to 721 million tons of publicly owned Wyoming coal for about $1 a ton, just so Peabody can sell it in Asia for $80 a ton, unleashing a massive amount of climate-change causing carbon pollution in the process. Coal companies get a huge windfall, the U.S. government gets a pittance in revenue, and climate change gets worse for all of us. The New Progressive Alliance joined Credo and the Governor of Oregon in formally protesting to the Secretary of the Interior and the Bureau of Land Management this bad decision. The Obama Administration went ahead with the give-away.
• The NPA is concerned about the recent discovery that Aetna tried to secretly funnel more than $7 million through American Action Network and the Chamber of Commerce to influence elections. We therefor in July joined with other organizations such as CREW (Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington) to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) calling on them to adopt a model rule or add additional questions to its annual statement requiring insurance companies to disclose all their political spending. We also joined with CREW in a similar letter to the Security and Exchange Commission urging more disclosure.
• The NPA is asking the Governor Perdue of North Carolina to veto H819 – a bill which would require a four year ban on using scientific data in coastal policy and regulatory applications despite the fact that North Carolina faces one of the highest sea level rises in the world. The Southern Alliance for Clean Energy and other organizations support us in this matter. Politicians outlawing science they disagree with is almost comical.
• The NPA supports preserving the unique cultural and ecological environment of the Korean Jeju Island by opposing the building of a Naval Base. We support both the International Forum on Globalization (http://www.ifg.org/) and the International Action Week (http://cafe.daum.net/peacekj/I51g/440) in their efforts in this matter.
• The New Progressive Alliance through Alan Maki encouraged the National Priorities Project to get information from third parties and not just the legacy Uniparties on our budget. As Virgil Bernero, the Mayor of Lansing, Michigan said, “Budgets are a reflection of our true priorities.” Only by comparing all options can we make an informed choice. Alan also tried to get Bill Moyers News program to do the same. Both choose to blindly follow the main stream press and ignore third party proposals and alternatives.
• You would think that Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac could not get into any more trouble by foolish decisions, but they are. The Federal Housing Finance Administration (FHFA) is interfering in a homeowners right to invest in energy efficiency and renewable energy! FHFA is saying it will not accept such properties for insured mortgages through Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. FHFA is ignoring the fact that such investments as PACE (Property Assessed Clean Energy) increase the value of a home, mean more jobs, and increase the ability of a homeowner to pay through less utility bills. This is in addition to a cleaner environment and less global warming for the next generation. Out of approximately 37,000 special assessment programs across the United States, the only one FHFA is going out of its way to invalidate an entire home loan is this one concerning clean energy and energy efficiency. In September 2012 the NPA wrote Mr. Alfred Pollard, General Counsel of FHFA, to urge him to allow programs such as PACE with a proven track record to continue.
• Kimberly Rivera may be deported from Canada to face trial for desertion and reporting war crimes. In September the NPA wrote to Canadian Immigration Minister Jason Kenney to urge him to let Kimberly Rivera remain in Canada on compassionate and humanitarian grounds as well as the legal grounds concerning the necessity of reporting war crimes. Despite our efforts, Kimberly Rivera was deported and arrested by military authorities.
• Alan Maki of the NPA has worked to help Native Americans working in casinos organize for better working conditions. One of the many conditions he is fighting for is to obtain smoke free casinos.
• The “Fighting Bob Fest is an annual get together to further many of the items in the Unified Progressive Platform. When it changed to just electing those of one political party, the NPA protested by writing letters to the Capital Times, Facebook, and participants to get it back on track.
• The New Progressive Alliance as part of the Corporate Reform Coalition released a press release showing a new poll indicating Americans condemn high levels of corporate political spending and overwhelmingly support strong transparency and accountability reforms for corporate political spending. Public Citizen, Demos, Common Cause, the Coalition for Accountability in Political Spending, U.S. PIRG, Greenpeace, People For the American Way, Public Campaign, Service Employees International Union, New Progressive Alliance, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, Main Street Alliance, Alliance for a Just Society, Green Century Capital Management, NorthStar Asset Management, Inc., West Virginia Citizen Action Group, Friends of the Earth, Corporate Accountability International, Corporate Ethics International/ Business Ethics Network, and the Responsible Endowments Coalition work together as part of the broader Corporate Reform Coalition to bring transparency and accountability to corporate political spending.
We have a failure to communicate. There was no intention to “undermine” your diary.
I’ve written many meta diaries, and have made many suggestions for and criticisms of the Stein campaign.
However, in this particular diary, you said,
So, I took your severely-lacking-manpower statement seriously, and put a simple question to you about how do you recruit worker bees, given that you can’t rely on the GP paid staff nor the Jill Stein campaign to facilitate your list building and list qualifying. Nor can you rely on MyFDL to have much of an effect, for the reason that I gave.
Somehow, you have conflated this into a criticism of Jill Stein’s ability to facilitate what, I believe, you believe is the most important “day after” activity.
IOW, I’ve accepted your premise, at least in the context of this diary, and asked a perfectly reasonable question based on that premise, and you replied to me as though I had done the opposite.
That’s what I call a “failure to communicate”.
You just quoted my answer. And I don’t consider working the list necessarily the “most important” activity, and I state that it has already begun. It is only one example.
… and that’s a friendly comment?
Yes, though it may have a previous history.
I’m confused. My comment #9 is a reply to your comment #6, which is a reply to my comment #5, which is a reply to your comment #3, which is where the quote is from. I took you seriously in your comment #3, in my comment #5, and yet in your comment #6, you write as though I didn’t take you seriously.
I’m a little baffled by this question. “Dog ate my emails/webmails” is sort of cutesy way of saying the obvious – that I don’t think my emails/webmails will get any attention, ever, since they didn’t even merit a canned response.
As for Stein making like Nader, this is what I expect her to do, based on what just about all candidates, for all parties, do*. What would be surprising is if Stein did strongly commit to party building (even after the election, contrary to what I would have hoped for).
It’s proper to read some pessimism into that statement. However, that has nothing to do with being unfriendly to you, or trying to “undermine” your diary.
Also, in general, while I may be pessimistic in not expecting much from progressives and populists (am not expecting all that much from any reformist group, though the Tea Partiers managed to flex more political muscle than progressives have, of late), I also like to say that I’m conditionally pessimistic, and conditionally optimistic.
Anyway, this is taking way too much of my time. I’m going to exit this diary, now. Since you think I’m looking to “undermine” your diary, you should be relieved.
I support you writing about what plans the GP will be implementing, even if they scroll off the screen in a few days. I check myFdl pretty often. I certainly don’t check the GP website often.
* in the case of progressive Democrats, the proper analogy is not party building, but progressive faction building
Ah metamars – seems even your buddy Jeff is now recognizing what I did over a year ago. Your only interest is in electing Republicans and you’ll knock down any effort which threatens that possibility, whether the truth is a factor in doing so or now. And then you give your standard excuse for departing the conversation: “This is taking too much of my time.” Funny, time wasn’t a factor while you were venting your spleen in any of your prior longwinded nonsense in the comments here.
Jeff: Don’t feed the trolls.
Since you’re addressing me, I will reply.
IMO, stupidity, in the sense of not having the mental machinery to even be capable of understanding the absurdity of your claim,
does not explain your obnoxious lies.
The book the Mountain of Silence, which goes into various aspects of the more esoteric and mystical aspects of Orthodox religion (and quite unlike what is taught in Sunday School!), has a section where a lying spirit is described. I’m not going to take the time to dig up the quote, but should you ever evolve, in this lifetime, to a point of disgust with lying spirits which you have embraced, you would be well advised to read Mountain.
The same author of Mountain, Kyriacos Markides, has written numerous books (e.g., the Magus of Strovolos) on another Cypriot mystic, but who’s not embedded in the Orthodox Church. In these books, “spirits” are referred to as “elementals”. There’s guidance on cleaning up bad elementals, but again, grokking such guidance will only be of interest (and even then, not typically easy) when people are ready to face up to their demons.
Tony,
The charge about Republicans is simply not true. He worked with me on the Full Court Press, to challenge congressional Dems in the primaries, for one things.
Rather, he exhibits an extreme form of a hierarchical organizational thinking that doesn’t get the difficult process of getting from here to there when working on a shoestring — good ideas for an army that does not yet exist.
As such, he is well worth engaging as that thinking is in fact quite widespread, but hidden among unspoken assumptions.
Great points Jeff.
Many say that THIS is the MOST IMPORTANT election of our lives.
No one knows who you will vote for when you are alone with yourself in the voting booth.
But you will know.
How will you feel if the lesser evil wins and nothing changes for the better? How will you feel knowing that you voted out of fear and loathing against a Romney-Ryan ticket?
This goes beyond thinking that my opinion matters. Don’t just take it from other Greens either, read Chris Hedges’ piece in Truthdig 10/29/12. Note that Noam Chomsky does not endorse, usually, but he HAS endorsed Jill Stein. This is NOT the usual election; two other candidates besides Obama and Romney have the potential to win with electoral votes. One of them is Jill Stein, the Green Party presidential candidate.
It’s not throwng away a vote— it’s saving the planet one vote at a time. Make sure that you can live with your vote and have no regrets.
You know that you want to……….. you know that you should
VOTE FOR JILL STEIN and CHERI HONKOLA
Because this election DOES matter.
That is my take on the election. I have been involved with poli sci pretty much all of my life and have heard the variety pack of arguments that ensue from here to kingdom come.
I’ve had men belittle me, as a woman, and I still do better than these aggressively arrogant men in life. So go on and be as acusational and yawningly negative as you so desire. Me thinks some do desire to have a bad result so that they can complain and scold.
So! do I have all the answers? No because if I did I’d win the lotto and donate the cash to all the hard working people out there putting out fire after fire.
It boils down IMHO to getting 100% public funding ONLY of ALL elections and then even then (I suppose) corruption would creep in BUT then it could be more FIRMLY described as a crime and there’d be jail time. Wouldn’t you just LOVE to see some Goldman-Sachs banksters convicted? Yes sistahs and bruthahs! Some BP and other fossil pushin’ CEO’s behind bars? Delish.
Who really is working hardest at this, being the best that they can be since humans are NEVER as cool as dogs? Yes, it’s the Green Party. Beat us up and we climb back into the fray with some new people and old. We have survived not being “radical enough” and being “uncooperatively too radical” for the Disappointingacrats. Say when you can’t please the masses to a T….. you all must be true to yourselves.
As someone once said: “If you think we are too hypocritical… come on in because there’s always room for one more!”
So – challenging Congressional Dems proves he does NOT support the GOP? Exactly how does that make any sense at all, Jeff?
metamars knows exactly what he is doing, and it’s not what you think. And please note, there is huge difference between calling me a liar – which met does in his response – and denying he wants to elect Republicans – which he never does.
Jeff, the facts are simple, and we agree on them: BOTH corporate parties are utterly captive to big money. Yet metamars has asked on ANY number of occasions whether Dems here are “disgusted enough” to vote for the GOP candidate, “to make the Dem Party pay.” And has relentlessly criticized the Stein campaign, by far the most transparent of any of them.
He does all this behind a veil of superiority and “high thought,” but – inevitably – decides he has “spent too much time on this already” when he is seriously challenged – just as he did with you @ 12, above.
Seriously, Jeff. You’re letting someone who simply flattered and “supported” your earlier effort cow you into thinking he’s a real Progressive. Wake up, already.