The ICC has an interesting piece on their website entitled “Activism no substitute for class action [sic]”
It’s a fairly long piece, but I would encourage everyone to read it. It’s a constructive critique of Occupy & the failures of “activists,” unions in particular, from an international socialist perspective. The author makes a number of salient observations.
I’ll give a rundown with commentary, below:
Co-option by the professional left
Noting the waning influence of OWS of late (at least in the media), they say this is due to partial co-option by traditional leftist activists.
We think it is important to at least point out that the Occupy Movement’s confusions regarding its goals, its tactics, and its form of organization created the conditions of isolation from the wider struggles of the working class.
This has opened the door to the intrusion by political groups that do not belong to the working class and who have expertly manipulated the state of the consensus process to distort the General Assemblies and install themselves at the movement’s helm.
The Nascent Subversion Of Organized Labor
Co-option attempts appear to have been at least marginally successful. According to the author, this contributed to the de-vitalization of the occupation.
The Occupy Movement, or whatever is left of it, is today in the hands of experienced activists and organizers. As such, we think it is in great jeopardy of missing the opportunity for a genuine development in the direction of class, & proletarian positions.”
In the linked article, the “activists and organizers” in question were the organized labor leaders involved with the port actions with Occupy Oakland. These leaders partially led to the de-vitalization of the movement.
And they believe this is due to organized labor’s leadership increasingly large separation from the working class, a problem that has plagued labor increasingly since the 80′s.
It looks like the 99% has 1%ers masquerading in their ranks.
Which leads to a critique of the proposed May Day actions, in conjunction with big labor:
How successful can this action be in the face of a virtually demobilized movement? Can it develop a perspective for overcoming capitalism — the root cause of humanity’s suffering– against which at least initially the movement seemed to be to crystallizing, in isolation, without linking up to the wider struggles of the working class?
Most importantly, who can be the subject of a radical transformation of society today? The activists and organizers who today are largely at the helm of a demobilized movement? The labor parties and attendant unions? Or the non-exploiting masses themselves, consciously and autonomously organized?
Class Action vs. “Activism”
And thus begins the crux of the argument:
It’s time to leave organized labor leaders out, and focus on actual labor, labor members, and class identity. Legacy forms of activism, and even newer forms of clicktivism, no longer work.
Further:
Experienced activists and organizers vie for a position of power and status and identify rather with the bureaucratic tendencies of a union’s apparatus” [Can you say MoveOn™?]
In other words, with “activists” everything devolves into a power grab.
This gets to another key point: the bureaucratic structures of legacy groups (“the professional left”) will drown out and undermine consensus, which is what separates Occupy from most organizations, and gives it its vitality.
In fact, these bureaucratic structures are the identities of the very structures they are trying to take down, both gov’t & corporations, but also the co-opters: the legacy activist groups, and unions.
“The Professional Left” works for the ruling class
They say contemporary “Activism fully works for the benefit of the ruling class,” and their hierarchical strata; not to the benefit of those who are supposedly spoken for. This dovetails pretty well with the premise of Hedges’ “Death of the Liberal Class,” where he says “the liberal class gives legitimacy to the power elite.”
To make their point, Democrat activists have made income inequality a pet issue, co-opting it for their own masters’ desires.
Rather than encouraging a deepening of the understanding of how capitalism works, why it can no longer offer long-lasting reforms, what needs to be done to address the social problems of the world, and who is to do so, activism ties the movement to the belief that the capitalist state can intervene on behalf of the dispossessed, and that capitalism can still offer ‘opportunities’ and prosperity.
In other words, in the end we are left with the “dead end of reformism,” rather than structural change or revolution. Health care “reform” is a perfect example of this dead end approach. The whole point is to leave the system intact.
The reason being, the structures of the legacy groups & “activists” are still tied & inherently linked to the current structure of capitalism. MSNBC pundits like Sharpton are a sad example of this fact.
The Outlook
From here, they are not too sanguine about the future of Occupy. They see them falling into the traps of “activism” & the professional left, rather than true revolution that they aspire to.
To make their point, they address the scheduled upcoming May Day actions:
It is filled with guest speakers and personalities from the union apparatus, leftist activism, and radical academia who will hold teach-ins about most notably May Day and the general strike.”
In other words, they will talk about talking.
Further, they say Occupy has been confused, as it has partly adopted the views of the “activists” & their masters, and that the problems we face cannot be solved with constitutional amendments, adjusting the tax code, legal semantics regarding corporate personhood, etc.
Instead the true problem is “usurpation of a state otherwise neutral and beneficial by ‘corporate greed’.” The only way to address this is through mass uprising and socio-economic class based action.
In their view, the way forward is to focus more on class structures, rather than activist and union structures.
This means truly getting back to working with the 99%, rather than working with Michael Moore, Van Jones, Trumka, Ilya Sheyman, Tom Periello, etc.
From there, enough confidence will be generated that “a social conflict which can only be resolved through massive, generalized, and unified class confrontations against the oppression of capital” will bring forth the process that will resolve what Occupy originally set out to address.



52 Comments

Good stuff.
There are a number of factual errors in the article you linked to that give me pause about whether the author has any idea WTF she (Ana?) is talking about. The timing of events in Oakland is all wrong. Scott Olsen was wounded on October 26, not in December, and the second iteration of the encampment at Oscar Grant Plaza was cleared in early November, not on January 29th. Oakland didn’t shut down the Longview Port; we shut down the Port of Oakland in solidarity with Longview.
The non-hierarchical structure at OO began to fall apart, at least IMHO, when the University of California-based insurrectionists who had been there from the beginning led the group into poorly planned and executed actions like J28 (the attempted occupation of Kaiser auditorium) that inevitably resulted in mass arrests and a great deal of soul-searching for many of us. I wouldn’t say that things are “relatively calm” at OO, either – it’s kind of a mess right now, with disparate groups attempting to pull things back together again for May 1st. Regardless of these issues, I would still say that OO is perhaps the least likely of any occupy to turn into anything remotely resembling MoveOn.
Sorry, that’s a typo – Scott Olsen was injured on October 25.
The alternative is massive bloodshed.
Thanks for clearing up their timeline issues. There were a few things the author wrote that I also took issue with, but the overall premise seems logical.
OO has somehow become a pariah, but I think that is because they actually had the most success, and potential for success. That scares people, in particular the professional left types.
OO is a little too hardcore for the “activists” to overtake, but some of the others have done solidarity actions with other groups, including MoveOn, which does open the risk to a Trojan Horse.
Judging from my email Inbox, MoveOn is the leading force seeking to co-opt Occupy, and of course MoveOn has become an arm of the Dems. I just delete. Good post, jest. WASF. Rec’d
It’s not over until it’s over. How the movement evolves this year will be more telling than the fact that folks did what they had to do to survive the winter.
I see no signs of co-option in the local Occupy movement and I see a lot of conscious effort to distance the Occupy movement from the professional left.
What this article (not the diary) appears to be is criticism from the news coverage of the movement (even the blog coverage) and not criticism from having been on the ground and participated in the struggle going on for public space and public attention.
Judging practice by theory and insisting that theory must always be correct has been as much of a hindrance to the left in the US as being co-opted by professional leftists and the “professional left”.
Solidarity actions with all sorts of groups broadens the number of people that the movement can involve. It is not the activism that is the core of the movement; it is the general assemblies. Without them, the strategic and tactical thinking is not bottom-up but top-down.
Methinks that there are some older leftist organizations that are frustrated that they cannot co-opt the movement either.
Each location has its own particular immediate struggle. Oakland seems edgy only because the reaction of the authorities has come down so hard on them. But Occupy Memphis is still there; Occupy Birmingham AL is still there. Occupy Phoenix, which has been hit hard by authorities is still there. Occupy Wall Street even is still there. And Occupy Chicago is still there and reaching into the neighborhoods.
Finally, Occupy Oakland has not become a pariah. They have become the canary in the coal mine about how determined authorities are to crush the movement. About how difficult it is to select effective tactics in that environment. About how people will come out in great numbers if the action is focused and the logistics are handled effectively.
Occupy is a participative movement. And clarity about its direction changes from day to day. And depends on who shows up to any general assembly.
Thing is, rc, they aren’t succeeding. People understand the difference between the real Occupy and all the various knockoffs. MoveOn cannot do an open general assembly.
I certainly hope you are right, TD, and concede that you know more about the micro political stuff than I ever will. I also am unambiguous in my belief that Occupy is our best and maybe only hope, so I support them without reservation. And acknowledge that they are leading the way, not me. Hope things are good with you, my friend.
I can only speak from my experience at my local occupation, but my reaction was similar to Carol’s–the main influence I’ve seen since January is from the insurrectionist faction, and they seem to be doing a good job of excluding anyone who isn’t sufficiently radicalized (i.e. ranting about battling the police in the streets). I think there’s some blame-shifting in the ICC piece for strategic failures by occupation groups that have resulted in diminished support and fragmentation.
It is the reduction of “radicalization” to “battling police in the street” that has become the problem.
realitychecker–
AMEN!
Blue
spot on comment -
that was the way the 60′s push was destroyed – class warfare by the rich on the non-rich continued but the media made it a sin to think about class warfare of the non-rich on the rich – and the response was not to fight back but rather to fight the “pigs” and “baby killers” – destroying the movement, leaving only violence against the 99% responded to by violence against police and military.
TarheelDem–
Reference: “Thing is, rc, they aren’t succeeding. People understand the difference between the real Occupy and all the various knockoffs.”
TD, hope you’re right. Recent illness allows me a little extra time (past two weeks) to participate in FDL community. And frankly, I’ve been rather surprised at the fact that some diarists here appear to view the talking heads on MSNBC (I’ve seen references numerous times to Schultz, McDonnell, Maddow) as either leaders, or at the least, spoke persons, of whatever progressive movement exists today. Yikes!!
I listen to XM satelitte radio on a regular basis, and know for a fact that Schultz (initially) did his best not only to co-opt OWS, but to claim (ludicrously) that this movement supports the Obama administration’s policies. He only tried to distance himself, and by extension the Administration, after the police crackdowns on protestors.
I am certainly not anti-union (I am a former union steward for AFGE–American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO); however, I think it is in the best interests of OWS to keep some distance from “today’s unions,” for reasons mentioned in jest’s post.
Anyway, I hope that you are correct. I suppose time will tell.
Blue–
jest–
Great diary. It expresses the concerns I’ve had all along. I rarely write diaries since my own writing skills are quite limited. I did express this concern in one of my few FDL diaries on October 3, 2011, entitled “Van Jones–Say What?
I hope you follow up on this topic, from time to time. Highly recommend.
Blue
Tarheel -
I think their point is that co-option isn’t even necessary.
All it takes is creating distractions from mass actions, and merely the influence of a hierarchical caste.
The scheduled speeches by the “professional left” at the NYC May Day “Action” being an example.
Your writing skills seem OK to me, but your instincts seem even better. ;-)
I spent quite a lot of time reading at your linked site, and agreement with some points, not others. The piece on ‘what really went on at the Port of Longview’ was eye-popping, to say the least, because it’s a very different take from what I…thought I knew, even after writing about it a couple times, and reading at Local 21′s blogsite, the big ILWU site, video statements, yada yada.
The author’s initial premise is that #OWS is about ‘income disparity’, which I think is wrong, at least at the start, and it may have morphed for using new figures, charts, etc. But it was about ‘wealth disparity’ rather, which is a different animal in that the uber-wealthy buy the tax code, buy regulatory agencies pretty much at will, legislation to deregulate (the recent JOBS act, for instance), and that the wealth they own enables them to gain more wealth (Fed 0% loans with no stipulations to actually lend that money the 0% loans pretend to be about), and then to plunder every existing revenue stream, and leave regular Americans facing foreclosure, bankruptcy (harder than ever for the average Joe), near-empty pensions and 401K’s, yada yada.
The author may have his/her own purposes for wanting OWS to be a worker revolt, but IMO it can’t be limited to even that, especially as many folks are still uncomfortable with the historical Socialist movement (they can learn the truth and value), and making the May Day General Strike that, rather than a clear message that all Americans working together in resisting the machine can have a massively empowering effect that will generate more civil disobedience, on and on… But at its core, its a Democracy Movement, and should be seen as that, imo.
The author’s trips about leaders and the dissing of GAs baffled me, whether I read wrong, or it was written smudgily, I dunno.
Anyhoo, thanks for bring it jest; plenty to read over there.
And: today is the first day of NOW DC; we’ll see what pops there, eh?
The NYC May Day action is an action independent of Occupy Wall Street. The general assembly does not control the planning of it. Just as the Occupy Chicago general assembly does not control the planning of the NATO Summit protest by CANG8 and others.
This is a distinction that is often missed. The Occupy movement often lends uses its media to promote actions by others as part of a diverse coalition. That does not mean that any Occupy movement endorses anything. A leaderful group of autonomous individuals can fail to be consistent depending on the inviduals involved.
It is very complicated to be building a broad-based coalition with the people you have, not the people you wish you had. The common thread is that the actions educate people about the various tentacles of the the 1% vampire squid. It’s complicated, and it benefits from criticism from within instead of holding the movement at a distance. It is in no way an ideologically monolithic movement.
Despite my discomfort with the insurrectionists, I’d like to clarify that at Occupy Oakland – and likely at many occupations – there is a great deal of daylight between insurrection and the professional left, and it includes a lot of us who no longer wish to be identified with the left at all. The relationship between OO and organized labor is definitely complicated, but the rank and file of the ILWU – at least those I met and listened to – seem to be exceptionally radical and committed to the struggle.
Kind of you to say, RC.
Guess you could say that I compensate for my lack of writing skills, by having a “big opinion” on just about everything–LOL!
Blue
I agree also, it seems people are talking about Ray Kelly as much as they are talking about other things.
Oh I remember reading that, and thought it was spot on!
Your writing skills are fine, btw…
Excellent discussion. Of course, we will see what happens with OWS but there are a few pressing questions:
1) What will become of the movement in the heat of the presidential election? Move On and other Democratic Party apparatchiks are already trying to co-opt the movement. Will OWS withstand the pressure?
2) What will OWS evolve into? Semi-permanent occupation of public as a tactic has limits and, I’d suggest, those limits have largely already been met. It is highly unlikely that the big cities will be caught off-guard again and allow OWS to set up encampments. If occupation is unavailable what will OWS do instead? (This question may be related to Q1 and will certainly be the pitch the OWS hears from the Democratic recruiters.)
3) What can Occupy accomplish by itself and what can others (like us) do to augment the Movement? Unless Occupy reaches critical mass and the American People get out n the streets en masse, OWS is likely to become marginalized: the MSM will lose interest, the authorities will crack down, politicians will stop paying attention and the Movement may wither. This raises a fundamental problem. The Right Wing is quite organized because it is centered around money. Obviously, the Left cannot seriously compete with the Right financially (thought it would sure be nice if some rich Leftists, Liberals or Progressives opened their big fat checkbooks the way the Koch Brothers do for Conservatism. This presents the chicken-and-egg question: just who and what will these rich Progressives donate to? The solution, IMO, is that the Left must organize at least at a basic level. The truth is that the Left simply does not have the firepower of the Right and must concentrate its efforts and focus its resources.
Just thinking out loud here.
And, after re-reading my post, I have convinced myself that the Left must have a political vehicle. To me, that is the Green Party. The GP will not BE the Movement but will serve the Movement, the way political parties are designed to function and the opposite of the current relationship between the Left and the Democratic Party, where Progressives are expected the serve the Democratic Party and get little or nothing in return.
Thank you, jest.
Again, while I’m not likely to “whip out” a diary anytime soon, I do plan to engage in discussion. Seriously, we’re in too perilous of times for anyone to remain on the sidelines, anymore.
Blue
wbgonne–
Agree. Jill Stein looks better everyday.
Blue
Don’t get me wrong, I had problems with the article also. I found it ironic that as much as they were decrying the co-option of Occupy, they were marginally trying to do it as well. I’m also not so sure how knowledgeble they were regarding the inner workings of #OO either. I was just summarizing what I read. It was the best & the most original take on the future of the movement I’ve read so far.
Re: Unions. I was at Occupy Freedom Plaza in D.C. the 1st weekend, and the first actions they proposed were joining actions already planned by the unions. I got on stack, said my piece (“Hell No”), and by the time I was done, let’s just say the union actions didn’t happen. But I have seen first hand how Occupy groups can let outside activists in because it’s an easy way to get numbers. Damned if you do let them in, damned if you exclude them. Obviously, each Occupation is a little different.
They did seem to have a problem with the OWS organization structure, didn’t they? There was no detail given, but they seem to think it will be part of their demise.
As for NOW DC, I’ve always been a little skeptical of it. Mainly for the same reasons this article highlighted. It seems like a rebranding of the far left legacy groups; it’s far more progressive than the centrist/Van Jones/Maddow stuff, but it still reeks of the “progressive elite” issue written about here. I hope I’m wrong tho.
jest, following the theme of your title, “it’s time to stop singing and start swinging” to quote Malcolm X.
Most of us know what needs to be done. Now it’s time to go to work in the areas where we can.
I think at least one version of OWS is going to resist party politics, period – including the Green Party. As I mentioned above, there is quite a bit of room between tearing the system all the way down and participating in what I consider to be a hopelessly corrupted voting process, at least at the national level. I think (I hope) physical occupations are going to come back and I think the revolution is only going to work when sufficient people are out in the streets. It may take a while and it may not happen during this election year if the “professional left” continues to funnel everyone back to the voting booth instead.
That’s a fair point. However, IMO, in today’s America voting for Jill Stein and the Greens is itself an act of revolution. Yes, it is puny in the grand scheme but, let’s face it, if the American People cannot even conceive of abandoning the political duopoly when 90% of the country thinks both parties suck, then we really have a problem (which we probably do). The larger point, I think, is that the Movement must proceed on multiple levels and political action — namely, defying the political duopoly by voting Third Party — is a worthy part of the effort.
We lost the class war a long time ago. The disappearance of the Soviet Union ought to have been a clue.
MoveOn’s attempts and those of political parties and special interest groups to co-opt Occupy are much like those of the radical socialists and some in the “nonviolence” community — not so much efforts to take over as they are efforts to disable and disappear the Occupy Movement.
This has been going on from the very beginning, and for me at least it’s become tiresome.
Occupy is operating on an organic and evolutionary path that to my way of looking at it is far more deeply revolutionary than any reversion to class war rhetoric of the 19th Century or modern efforts to revive them could possibly represent. It’s nothing like standard leftist activism, either.
Occupy does not look like revolutions of the past, and it’s not behaving like revolutions of the past, something I think at least some of the vanguardists and insurrectionists are coming to recognize and appreciate. Occupy is something else again.
I recommend David Graeber’s “Revolution in Reverse” (2007) as a means to gain a better understanding of how something as diffuse and autonomous as Occupy’s many parts are can function as a whole — and on behalf of that better world we’re all attempting to imagine and bring into being.
In some ways Occupy operates to integrate or synthesize the reformist with the revolutionary, something that plenty of theorists claim is impossible.
It may not work perfectly — or ultimately at all — but it’s obvious that Occupy has not gone away, has no intention of going away, and has had a tremendous impact on the psyche of Americans and their view of the possibilities of the future.
wbgonne -
Great questions
I think the author had a really great implicit insight into this when they said OWS misunderstood the true problem, which is the “usurpation of a state otherwise neutral and beneficial by ‘corporate greed’.”
There was a time when this was called fascism.
But OWS specifically will not address issues of “The State,” and they will only deal with half the problem which is corporate power.
This was an implicit critique of the movement, but one that I feel is valid. I don’t know how you solve one without dealing with the other.
This is what I’m afraid of. This is where the “expertise” of the professional left may come in.
This is what I thought was a big let down in the article. They went from concrete critiques of OWS to vague, abstract concepts of what to do next. I can’t really blame them, I have no idea what to do either.
But the idea of mass action sounds like a good idea, but how do we get our numbers up?
HotflashCarol
Could not agree more. In fact Occupy Minnesota actually “allows” me to speak at their events. Unlike many of the “professional left” groups here such as Moveondotborg, Move To Amend and the various “anti-war” groups here.
Every time I speak, I speak NOT as someone running for office. In fact I have publicly stated that I do not think that the Occupy Movement should let itself be co-opted by the electoral process. In fact I have gone so far as to say that Occupy Minnesota should not endorse my campaign or any campaign. That if they did attempt to endorse our US Senate campaign, I would refuse it. The Occupy people here thank me for making this statement.
Ironic that some of the Occupy folks now, as individuals support the campaign. Oh yes and Moveondotborg, Move To Amennd and other “anti-war” professional left groups here have tried to co-opt Occupy Minnesota. They have failed.
THANK GOD
Recc’ed most highly.
That’s good to hear. I wish more candidates were able to make that distinction. Many occupiers may very well go vote Green – but they’ll be doing it as individuals. I have no problem with that for people who can’t imagine NOT voting, and the other alternative is a Democrat or a Republican.
I agree with individuals proceeding on multiple levels; I hope OWS continues to resist being co-opted, regardless of how “far left” the co-opters may appear to be. The whole left/right dichotomy has got to die and the sooner the better.
That’s my sense of NOW DC, but that does not discount it as a piece of the coalition that can move the political culture in the US away from domination by the 1%. Just watch out for the attempts at co-option into ineffective strategies.
Totally agree. Any third party vote sends a “We reject the Duopoly” message, but it would be magnified in impact if we could agree to concentrate those protest votes in one third party, rather than scattering them around. Send a signal that there might be a viable up-and-comer on the way to present a serious challenge to the duopoly.
Yes, and I’d add that voting Green (or another Third Party) does not detract at all from a voter’s other activist efforts. All that is required is to show up and cast a vote that will not be swallowed up by the Corporatists. Vote, then go back to work for the Movement. No conflict that I see and it can only help. We must move on multiple fronts or else we will get squashed.
P.S., to the extent the Democratic Party get the message that the Left can no longer be taken for granted the Dems may well move Left out of self-interest. Let’s face it: Obama and the Democrats disdain the Left bc the Left has yet to show it has any backbone, in terms of electoral politics (which is all the Corporatists care about). When Obama mocks the Professional Left and Emanuel calls us fucking retards they do so secure that we will ultimately vote for them anyway. That dynamic must change. If the Democratic Party moves Left, that can only help Progressivism even if it isn’t the solution itself.
It’s time to stop singing and start swinging
If the Democrats move to the left, they might even make it back to the center someday. I don’t see that happening, especially when we have Santorum slipping and nearly calling Obama the N-word. Anyone who is able to comport themselves with 20th century standards of behavior is going to seem “left” compared to the neanderthals on the “right.” And the appearance of any significant differences between the two parties only serves the oligarchy; they get to keep telling us we have a choice. And we get to keep using words like “left” and “right” and “democracy.” Rahm is right about us being fucking retards.
Rahm WAS right about that. And to the extent that the Left supports Obama again, Rahm is still right. But I hope it is changing and I think a strong Green Party presence will help prove him wrong and get the Democrats’ attention. And, if the Dems don’t get it, maybe the Greens will replace the Democrats as the Democratic Party no longer serves any real purpose.
Of course, the Democrats are so far Right now that they make the 70s GOP look like Communists but, hey, we have to start turning the ship somewhere and sometime. Here and now works for me.
Does anybody know when Occupy locations got their most visitors? I can guess that it was M-Th between 5:00pm and 7:00pm, and Saturday 2:00 – 4:00 pm, but I don’t really know that.
X2
My hope is that most Occupy will avoid being co opted. I feel the voice needs to be heard and the shouts should be loud. Drawing in as many to the streets is whats needed. Hundreds of thousands marching is not easy to sweep under the rug. 20000 camped is not going to be missed by the media. We need #’s not Moveon,not the democrats. We need the people to get out and speak.
The problem with the occupy movement IS the consensus process. The occupy movement is paralyzed by it. It’s spends all it’s time in General Assembly meetings arguing. Can’t get the most basic actions of self-governance accomplished
That’s the real reason the Occupy movement never got list of demands together. The consensus process so crippled the occupy movement they couldn’t agree on one.
The occupy movement is so gridlocked by the consensus process it can’t cannot govern itself. Time to end these consensus process experiments.
The OWS/environmental/peace movement needs to recognize that it has a messaging problem. The message itself very good, but to convey the importance of that message across gender and ethnic lines will be instrumental in creating a much larger and wider based movement. At some point the movement will need to be able to talk to the minority kid growing up in a downtown ghetto and explain to him why environmental and political conscientiousness and attitudes of peace is the most important thing for himself and the whole world. If the wars ended and the world adopted a system that works within our environmental support system we could then use our resources for making life better for all humans on the planet not just a select few. Eventually this message will have to be spread on a global basis.
The OWS movement can endure once it ties awareness to action. Protest marches and encampments raise awareness, creating a directed movement of millions of citizens, to include the sheeple, signing on to rescind the Patriot Act is action. Or a directed mass movement to end Citizens United and have publicly financed elections could be another singularly directed action. Even if these directed petitions to our government leaders fails, it further demonstrates how unresponsive our government is and how far down the rabbit hole we are and in the process wake up more fellow citizens.
It all begins with an actual representative democracy to bring change. Government, like art, reflect the views of the society and it is the physical representation of what we as a society of humans deem important.
The consensus process is necessary for informed consent in actions that might put someone in physical or legal danger. The fact that general assembly sessions go on and on is because there is not the common ground to come to a decision about the item on the stack. Forcing something other than a consensus (i.e. there are folks who do not consent) means splitting the group into those who agree with that forced consensus and those who don’t. The question is whether that split is just for that action or does it become a permanent split.
The other facilitation issue is the use of blocks. The principle is that blocks be used only if that action so morally offends that it would cause you to split and never come back. That should bring a discussion of principles. Instead it causes those who seek immediate action to push harder to browbeat the blocker into just consenting through repetition of the same arguments. The other side of the block issue is those who seek the lead or co-opt the group into more risky action through blocks not anchored in a moral objection. In those cases, there is a tendency to browbeat the facilitator even when the facilitator is handling the process in an unbiased manner.
Like any other process, commitment to the integrity of the process is a ground rule. And attempts to manipulate the process should be resisted. If the process is observed eventually decisions start settling out more quickly even when there is contention. If the process is not observed, it gets hamstrung just like any other process, and no procedural changes will make the process work better because those who seek to manipulate will seek to manipulate the new process. It really is a form of what Madison was calling “faction” or what is colloquially known as the “fraternity railroad”.
Occupy Philly is doing urban agriculture plots in vacant lots in minority and low income areas. They involve kids and youth in helping in the project and demonstrate organic farming. Does that qualify?
Most Occupy locations have moved into direct actions like this one and not confined themselves to protests and encampments. That transformation happened after the wave of evictions in November along with the Occupy Your Homes movement to stop evictions.
Not true. There is no reason the consensus process is necessary for anything. Informed consent can be achieved by a simple majority vote. Like the rest of the world does.
This consensus process crap is an nothing by an attempt by small minorities of extremists group to force the entire political left to follow it’s extremist agenda. I’m sure the government has seen what sending a couple of people to occupy GA meetings to block everything they don’t like can force a huge organization to do, too.
I’m not participating in any more political left organizations activities run by the consensus process. It’s going to be the first question I ask as I walk in the door. The consensus process is too broken.
Tell me how informed consent is achieved by a majority vote.
Goes to my discussion about the integrity of the process. Majority rule, even under Roberts Rules does not stop similar rigging of the process.
Sorry, but that complete nonsense.
One outsider can shut down consensus process.
An outsider can only take over steal control by majority rule by doubling the size of the current regular voting group.