I just finished reading a book I highly recommend: The War on Bugs by Will Allen. Allen grew up on a farm, then studied war chemicals in the Marines, and was surprised when he returned to the farm to find out that farm chemicals were "modified versions of the nerve poisons and antipersonnel weapons that [he] learned about when studying chemical warfare in the Marine Corps." Today he’s an organic farmer and he serves on the policy advisory board of Organic Consumers Association (as do I).
Allen’s book was a FASCINATING read. I was familiar with part of the story, which I wrote about in my own book. Agricultural chemicals didn’t hit the big time until after World War II, for a number of reasons. But much of the story happens before World War II, before they became widely used on U.S. farms. That history is significant, and Allen uses primary sources to completely document it.
As early as the 1800′s, advertisers began promoting farm chemicals, often industrial wastes and often highly toxic heavy metals like lead and arsenic. The story of advertising and PR in the U.S. is its own story and it’s told very well in the book Toxic Sludge is Good For You (which I also highly recommend). Allen tells the history of advertising as it relates to pesticides and other farm chemicals. Even before pesticides hit prime time in the U.S., advertisers were hard at work, trying to figure out how to successfully overcome farmers’ and consumers’ concern about applying poisonous chemicals to food.
Also important is the alliance of universities, government, and farm journals in favor of pesticides and other farm chemicals (like sodium nitrate fertilizer) EVEN WHEN FARMERS OPPOSED THEM. This continues today, and often people ask why, if synthetic fertilizer, pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, and GMOs are bad, the government or universities are in favor of them. I wonder the same thing myself, actually. As it turns out, the history of this alliance dates back to the 1800′s, long before our food system was chemically dependent as it is today.
World War II is remarkable for a few reasons. DDT became a war hero, of course, and the U.S. dramatically built up its capacity to produce nitrogen for bombs… and then gave all of the taxpayer built plants away to chemical corporations. So nitrogen for bombs became fertilizer, DDT was the pesticide du jour, and excess planes became crop dusters. This was the turning point when U.S. agriculture became chemically dependent. Allen cites that in the late 1930′s, only 3.5% of U.S farm acreage was fertilized with synthetic nitrogen. By the late 1950′s, that number was up to HALF. By the 1990′s, it was over 90%.
Also important to note about World War II era chemicals is that the pests develop resistance to them in a matter of years. Chemical companies and advertisers relied on farmers to know very little about the world outside of their local area, so that they wouldn’t find out that a new pesticide had already failed elsewhere before they even bought it. In fact, there were reports of DDT resistance among pests before U.S. civilians used even a drop of it.
Surprisingly, the person who single-handedly "helped" the American people get comfortable with putting toxic chemicals on our food was Dr. Seuss. Standard Oil employed him to advertise their pesticide, Flit, and he drew clever and funny cartoons, similar to those in his children’s books. Just as he is popular with children the world over, his pro-pesticide cartoons had an enormous impact on grownups in gaining their acceptance for pesticides.
During the second half of the 20th century, many farmers lost their farms, and those who remained on the farm accumulated more acreage. Often, pesticides were adopted as a last-ditch or fear-based effort to help a farmer keep his or her farm. Also, when the pesticides failed, it was the farmer who suffered, not the chemical company.
Pesticides (and fertilizers) are like a drug. Often, after World War II, the chemical companies gave out the first sample for free. Once a farmer has used the free sample, he or she kills all of his or her soil life and beneficial insects – as well as the pests. With proof of the pesticide’s effectiveness, the farmer buys more. Then, as pests evolve resistance, the farmer has to buy even more. Ultimately, the pesticide fails and the farmer has to move on to a new pesticide to repeat the cycle. If the farmer quit spraying cold turkey, it would take a few years to build back up the biodiversity and beneficial insects that he or she once had, and the farmer WOULD experience decreased yields as a result. So the farmer keeps spraying.
So do we need all of these chemicals? The answer is actually no. I have a detailed explanation of how organic agriculture actually works, but the basics are simple. First of all, think about lush rainforests, or tall prairies, or old growth forests. None of them required synthetic fertilizers or pesticides to grow. The key is biodiversity. Insects, earthworms, and microbes play a number of important roles to help plants flourish, and the plants are actually pretty smart in how they work together with other species to get what they need. Beneficial species prey upon or compete on pest species. Some species like symbiotically with plants. And soil life makes the soil texture (its crumb structure) such that water can trickle down to the groundwater and the soil can hold water. Thus, plants become more resistance to floods and drought. For a wonderful description of how organics work, I recommend reading Teaming with Microbes: A Gardener’s Guide to the Soil Food Web.
The history of pesticides should not be viewed in a vacuum. I recommend reading it alongside the book Eating History by Andrew F. Smith. Eating History tells how American cuisine became what it is today in 30 essays that each tell about an important turning point in our culinary history. When America became a country, food was local, seasonal, and organic out of necessity. Obviously, the lack of known pesticides was one reason for that, but not the only one. Farmers lacked equipment to plant and harvest large amounts of crops, so farms were small by necessity. They were also diversified by necessity – you could grow more food by planting many different crops that could be planted and harvested at different times throughout the year. Animals were needed on farms for meat as well as for transportation and manure. Transportation costs were high, so food was local by necessity. And the technology for canning food was basically non-existent (Mason jars didn’t exist until 1858). Obviously, as each of these factors changed with new inventions, canal and railroad construction, immigration, and the Civil War, American food and farming changed as well.
Understandably, a small, diversified farm has little use for synthetic fertilizer and pesticides. Manure serves as fertilizer and pests can be controlled with crop rotation and weeding by hand. Besides, if one crop fails, you have many others. And, if you are just growing food for your family and maybe for the local market, you aren’t worried about fluctuations in the world price, and you aren’t trying to squeeze extra bushels of corn out of every single acre. As farms grew larger (aided by advances in technology to help them plant and harvest larger areas and advances in transportation to sell to far away markets) and less diversified, then chemicals were a way to save on labor costs.
I’m not anti-technology or anti-science. In fact, I am fascinated by the science behind sustainable agriculture – the science of viewing nature in an ecological (instead of a mechanical) way and looking for ways to produce more food by letting nature do the heavy lifting. Nor am I interested in sending the U.S. back to the 1700′s. But I do think that even though we have found a way to let less than 2% of the population produce enough food to feed all of us, we have NOT found a way to do that in a healthful and environmentally responsible way. I believe that more people need to become farmers (and gardeners), and – while I don’t expect everyone to eat only food grown locally – I do think we need to decentralize our food system. I think we have a tremendous amount of risk built into our food system by growing 50% of our fruit and 25% of vegetables in California (which is in the middle of a severe drought). It’s fascinating to read these books and to see how both scientific and technological advancement as well as propaganda fueled changes in our food system and to contemplate what we can do now to make it better.



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Care for some Ortho with that salad! Sad but true, Another issue is that organic or free range products cost so much more. Seems like the well off and wealthier folks in our society are the majority of consumers that I have observed.
Many thanks for the reading recommendations!
Thanks for an excellent post. One little aside; Sorry, but my family canned back in the 30′s and had learned from their moms and grandmoms, Mason jars are a brand name, not the whole story of jars to use for canning.
I haid no idear that antibiotics and arsenic and mercury on genetically altered plants could be bad fer somebuddy. More important if the crop is distilled for ethan-all fuel fer our cars it cud be bad on the motor also too! Would the fumes be more dangerous also too?
It appears US Ag was not ever healthy in the cotton belt. Cotton farmers did not practice crop rotation, and suffered from falling yields.
I took a tour of The Hermatage (Andrew Jackson’s home), and the falling productivity was discussed as a feature of the southern plantations. I asked about crop rotation, and the curator did not know why the South had abandoned a successful practice, used for thousands of years.
US farming? Stupid, just stupid.
And again, thank you, Jill.
There is no question that organic works better than conventional, the difficulty is that in this stage of the game organic is much more difficult than conventional because we’ve spent 60 years destroying soil health. There’s also the problem of the word being hijacked and used to refer to a result rather than a process. This leads us to having a host of “organic” fertilizers that are in fact no better than their chemical cousins.
The fact of the matter is that plants are unable to take up nutrients in anything other than their elemental form. A long molecular chain with lots of nitrogen in it does nothing for a plant; it requires that the nitrogen be available as N and nothing more. The conversion process is the work soil microbes and fungi. To make “organic” fertilizers that can be taken up rapidly requires the process done by microbes and fungi to be done in a fertilizer plant. Or in other words, misses the point entirely.
I’ll quibble, a little, with the idea that organic is necessarily more nutritious. Fresh – i.e. the plant finishing the ripening process – is the biggest factor in that, but there’s also another factor. A farm/garden that uses chemical fertilizers can produce fully nutritious produce; the problem is that chemicals as a short cut have taken over the thinking. N-P-K feeding only is the equivalent of trying to subsist on McDonald’s entirely as opposed to eating a balanced diet and stopping for a Big Mac every great once in a while. It is possible to apply chemical fertilizers properly to healthy soil for achieving plant health/vigor as needed.
Final aside for the home organic gardener. Mulch your garden with municipal compost. It is not generally very high in nutrition as it’s mostly made from brush and fallen leaves, but it does promote microbial activity at the surface and will help plants defend against pests/infection. Learn the art of brewing compost tea, because few things offer a better first defense against pathogens than foliar spraying of good compost tea…particularly true against fungus problems. Eternal vigilance is the price of organic growing. When pesticides are necessary (and sometimes they are), the problem with organic solutions is that they’re very broad spectrum and kill beneficials. Pest problems need to be addressed early.
And one of the best things you can do when starting seeds or nurturing early stage transplants is to add silica solution to the feed water (i’m currently looking into means to achieve this through soil amendment). It strengthens cells walls incredibly and helps plants have the strength to defend themselves instead of relying on you.
Organic is a process, and the journey is the destination.
Why? I hear E. coli tastes just like chicken. /s
exellent post but i would like to know more about “As it turns out, the history of this alliance dates back to the 1800’s, long before our food system was chemically dependent as it is today.” and none of the referenced reading seems to be devoted to that.
Just look at how big chemical companies destroyed, with myth not facts, the use of hemp in this country. We’d all be wearing hemp clothing (hemp requires no pesticides)if it wasn’t for their disinformation campaign. And using hemp paper instead of cutting down all our forests. The day of judgment should be at hand for the liars among us. And they do lie with their propaganda.
I agree with the general thrust about our overuse of certain biotechnologies, and I like organic foods myself.. and yet..
And yet, without the Green Revolution, which was dependent on both genetic manipulation and heavy use of chemicals, how many people would have starved to death?
To cut back on our modern techniques, how much of the population will have to go back into farming, a task which few are good at and even fewer love? (I base this on my family, which have been farmers for a couple of centuries, until my generation, ymmv of course). To cut back on transportation, how many of us are going to give up orange juice, bananas, fresh fruit in winter?
DDT gets a bad rap, but how much good did it do for people? How many millions of people lived, who would otherwise have died from malaria? (hint: many, many millions) Here in the US, we sneer at DDT. We have the luxury.
On the left I think we have an unfortunate tendency to blame technologies when we should blame people, for misusing them, for using them recklessly, for using them with willful ignorance as to the consequences. Pesticides aren’t immoral, any more than organic farming is moral. They’re both tools, and we have to think long and hard about how we want to use them.
Great post Jill. What I really like about it is the way that you put it in context. Toxic Sludge is Good For You is an especially good book. How do you sell people stuff that is dangerous?
The book describes things like the power of changing the name, “muddying the water” and co-opting the critics. One of my favorite stories in the book is about they guy who wrote a book about the problems with raisins. The PR firm for the Raisin board (who created those delightful dancing raisins -yet another trick) called up the radio stations where the guy was going to visit. They pretended to be his publicity agent and said that he was not going to make it that day and needed to cancel. When he showed up he found they had no time for him on the show.
I’ll never forget that story. It shows the lengths that companies will go through to bury the truth.
It’s not that Dr. Seuss and the chemical folks were/are evil; they honestly believed that they were and are saving the world from mass starvation. The chemical agriculture era got started in 1898 when concerned British scientist Sir William Crookes warned the world of famines to come — and also offered a solution in the form of nitrogen fertilizer:
Precisely right, at least regarding many of the scientists who created things like artificial nitrogen fertilizers, pesticides, what not. Good intentions, and some very real good results too, that we shouldn’t be too quick to dismiss.
The worst part for me is that we could have had the benefits without many of the harms, if we had only been more careful. I remember we talked about DDT in a global health class I took back as an undergrad, and how it’s much more effective (for malaria control) if sprayed in small doses *indoors*; it lingers, killing mosquitos for a very long time, protecting people while they sleep, without getting out and killing birds and ravaging beneficial insects.
Similarly, I took a class on GMOs from a biologist who made them in his academic work. He was rather more gung-ho than I was/am, but readily admitted great regret at creating antibiotic resistant plants as a testing shortcut; it was stupid and needlessly risky, as well as terrible PR.
We badly need to learn from our mistakes, which are always *our* mistakes. Never the technology’s.
Yup.
This is a really important set of issues, and I’ll note the book titles.
The whole topic exhausts me today, but it certainly ties in with finance reform.
Currently, there are no financial incentives for oil or chemical companies to behave as better stewards, or undo the damage they’ve done. We all use products that contain toxins, but I honestly think that at least for several segments of the US (and European) populations, we’re fed up with it and willing to pay more at the ‘front end’ for a more biologically sane product with fewer externalities down the line.
Until our pricing structures reflect this set of decision criteria, however, it’s really an uphill battle.
GoodGuide is a sign of the future, I hope; helping people make wiser buying decisions from anywhere, using WiFi even while shopping in order to compare the long term impacts of purchasing decisions.
*gasp* Ya mean to say this PSA failed to deliver…? ;-)
Thanks Jill, as a professional exterminator I found your post to be extremely interesting. I have never worked with farm chemicals ,but some of the products I worked with when I first started doing pest control were similar in chemical make up. I personally am glad these products are no longer in use in residential treatments . If these chemicals can be harmful to those that eat food treated with them ,imagine what it could do to those that work with them ,especially people handling concentrates and those applying them.
As a side note the products used in your home by professional pest control people are pyrethroids . Pyrethroids are natural and synthetic pyrethrins. Natural pyrethrins are extracted from chrysanthemum plants , they are highly effective against insects ,are relatively low toxicity and break down very quickly. Most over the counter products also contain pyrethroids. These are supposed to be relatively low risk products ,but like anything else only time will tell . DDT was once thought to be a safe product I have seen pictures of old magazine ads showing mom spraying DDT in a babies bedroom while the child was in the crib. Gotta kill them bugs they might get junior while he sleeps.
Increased cancer risk and loss of fertility, women getting periods sooner, can we afford not to go organic?
Just the tip of the iceberg. Just to add one ticky little item is it is now acknowledged that the growth hormones given to feed and milk animals is responsible for early menarche in girls……. giving us an age group of emotionally immature sexually mature girls. Also look to the incidence of breast and other estrogen induced cancers. (I am not sure the data is there yet, but it will be sure to be.) Of course the smoking is good for your T zone is another. etc.
And it’s not just the food. The toxic sludge is good for you is only one of so many egregious lies by business and protected by government since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
Tobacco, lead and asbestos are 3 of the ones I know most of. Read the accounts of the debates about using lead additives for gasoline. The science had been there of its danger long before the plan but they went ahead. And on and on.
Then there are the medical experimentation with radiation on not only our own service men without their knowledge but dose ranging studies done on children at Oak Ridge under the guise of treatment for their cancer, And Tuskeegee. And on and on.
Well this got me riled up didn’t it?
During the drought and Dust Bowl many farmers refused to comply with FDR crop rotation plans and other obvious remedies. Said it was a Communist plot.
Well, since the earth is completely running out of room, it may sound callous, but who cares how many humans would have died?
I’m from farming families on both sides and my grandfather said that all these chemicals were gonna kill the land, and they have.
Then, the government blames the people for being sick while the AGRA corporations spray junk all over a whole community.
There was a concerted attack on the family farms in the 70′s at the same time Democracy was being attacked ( they’ve won now)and my Uncle lost the family farm.Then, he died of cancer…so did his wife.
Now, Monsanto is creating genetically modified seeds which are sterile and they’re mixing with native strains all for mo’ money so farmers can’t keep seeds from last years crops.
There have been studies that once the insects develop immunity to the pesticides, damage to crops is about the same as without pesticides.
Frankly, the way man has managed this jewel of the galaxy, with the human population increasing threefold SINCE I WAS BORN, we are destroying ecosystems that support ALL life, not just a few more humans.
So, now the corporate state will begin to kill off the poor first…they call us “the eaters” and it will just go up the ladder ’til it gets to the rich and powerful and they know exactly what they’re doing.
Face it, man is not a successful species. And religion has elevated us far beyond our merits.
The idea that growth hormones are responsible for early menarche is nonsense. There is no scientific evidence for this; the culprit is more likely better nutrition in combination to increased sugar intake; age at menarche is better predicted by body weight than any other variable. Incidentally, the incremental downturn in age of menarche has been going on for more than a hundred years, and has largely plateaued.
OK, lets to away with fertilizer and insecticide and herbicide. And our food production would plummet. There is a reason why America produces the amount of food we do, and the three above are largely responsible.
Now, I live in Kansas; my wife grew-up on a farm, and we used to raise beef cattle. The area of Kansas in which we live has heavy clay soil. The native grasses that grew in the prairie prior to farmers busting the soil were grasses like Big Blue; Big Blue is a perennial which has a root system penetrating as far as ten feet into the soil. Annual grasses such as wheat, never mind corn, have a far shallower root system. In the clay soil, it would simply not be possible to grow wheat or corn without the aid of anhydrous ammonia. One would have to have a whole lot of manure–which means a whole lot of cows–which means a whole lot of pasture land, to make the land as productive as it is of wheat and corn today. Of course there are additional things to be done; one can plant soy beans, which put nitrogen back into the soil; but the idea the land around where I live could be as productive without fertilizer, insecticides and herbicides is just nuts.
Sorry, I can’t let this go. I have a garden every year; the idea that a commercial farm could be hand-weeded is LOL.
I beg to differ and will find the recent original report in the literature. This has been suspected by many wiser than I for years and so the idea is patently NOT nonsense.
I saw the study just the other day that confirms it but can’t recall which journal. Google brings up lots but I don’t see any page I consider reliable.
Be that as it may, it’s like saying calories don’t cause weight gain. Estrogens levels determine onset of menarche. The estrogen compounds are there. Nor is the notion that breast cancer rates are influenced by estrogen levels in ingested food nonsense. We know estrogen influences the development of breast cancer. As I say the estrogen compounds are there.
As to the wooly grass and the high grass of the plains. I also know something of its history and farming also.
Maybe the plains, in particular the southern plains should never have been broken. The nativea Americans managed to survive without killing all the Bison or breaking the grasslands.
Reading your post sounds like the farmers still haven’t learned much from the disaster they created. But I may be misinterpreting. Like it or not even Kansas is eventually going to have to learn how to do it a different way.
Who cares how many humans may die? Err, me? Because I’m not a sociopath?
If you’re convinced that human life has no value, it’s odd that some people dying of cancer bothers you.
As for the Earth being special, I think you’re getting way ahead of yourself. We haven’t even checked the major planets of this solar system for the existence of life, let alone the known exoplanets, let alone the galaxy. Odds are the universe is swarming with life… unless you’re pushing for some kind of supernatural explanation for the origin of living things, in which case we’ve long since passed having a rational conversation.
Also. We knew for years that smoking caused lung cancer but listening to the American Tobacco Institute say “That’s nonsense. there is no scientific proof.” they lied and I and most of my peer group kept smoking. Bad enough personally but as a young doctor I repeated the ATI’s lies to my patients.
Tell it to the very conservative Joel Salatin at Polyface Farms. AFAIK, he agrees with everything Jill wrote.
It isn’t a matter of what one wants. It’s physics and biology. Right now the conservative estimate is that due to warming about 25% of existing species will become extinct. That cannot be prevented. Even if we begin to reverse the pollution of the atmosphere.
The real deal is. The earth will survive at least until the sun explodes. We weren’t here when it was formed and likely wont be when that happens.
We can decide to apply our knowledge and survive a little longer or not.
I’ve seen a lot of reports and article supporting his basic idea. This one from the BBC is in my notes, for example.
Then there’s this:
So this problem has been going on for a very long time. Modern chemicals may be making it worse, but they can’t explain the phenomenon by themselves.
So which position are you arguing for?
I’m in favor of continued human survival, myself. If I wasn’t, I couldn’t morally justify my OWN continued existence. It would be hypocrisy of the worst kind.
Thanks Jill for a terrific post.
I have heard some about Permaculture. I was very impressed with some of the youtubes, because they talked about a portion of the harvest getting eaten. The idea that you will grow outside and the birds, bugs, and other varmints will get zero, doesn’t make any sense. They claim (and I believe them) that without fertilizer or pesticides, a well designed garden can control weeds, pests….. with minimal human interventionn and still be very productive (although not in a Big Ag kind of way).
While you’re laughing out loud, anyone with a conscience should be crying out loud. Let’s keep distilling toxins, carcinogens, and malicious biological agents and spreading them over our pastures where they run-off into our estuaries, alter ecosystems and ruin the soil. Meanwhile cancer becomes epidemic and the chemicals accumulate and elevate to the point of no return. Sing about the advances of civilization and get drunk on the wine of productivity while you laugh at primitive common sense and piss in the well. Live now pay later.
If only that were true (hemp requiring no pesticides). One often runs into the argument that it doesn’t require fertilizer or herbicide, that’s also false.
It’s an amazing plant; it isn’t a super plant.
It’s true. It isn’t necessarily easy, but it’s true. Permaculture is basically taking the ideas behind organic and scaling them up, or attempting to mimic how nature works as opposed to copying its results.
It really isn’t that the chemical wonders (especially fertilizer) are intrinsically bad. It is the way they’re used that is the problem. They’ve become a shortcut that we now depend on. And many of the problems stem from scale. On a small farm, the grower can actually walk the fields. Believe me, if you spend all day with plants you can tell a lot about what they need by just looking.
On a huge farm there’s no chance of that, so a fertilizer regime is developed (sometimes with overkill “just to be sure”) and the same goes for herbicide and pesticide treatments. Everything gets the same dose because it’s inefficient if not impossible to do it any other way.
Over feed organic fertilizer and you’ll have the same runoff problems.
But if you have a plot of corn growing in healthy soil (and hopefully used to grow nitrogen fixing legumes the season before) and you apply say nitrogen fertilizer in a controlled fashion so that none is wasted then you’re not poisoning the plant, its consumer or the soil.
And for the record, even big corporate farms regularly practice Integrated Pest Management these days. The cost of pesticides is becoming prohibitive to the slather it on method.
I am almost certain there is a peer reviewed study/report just out but I can’t lay my hands on it right now. Those talking points you mention have as you say been out there. But don’t forget obesity and well nourished are two different things. Obesity is also assoiciated with growth hormones and derivatives.
I do agree with the premise the final documentation takes a decades to evolve and now we know they can’t be left to private industry to be honest.
I share your wish and would like for the other species to survive also. There is much sublime in the mix of traits in man. In fact as a humanist it is life itself that is the sacred.
But my point is what we want is not all that relevant and becomes irrelevant if we fail to act rationally on the knowledge we have.
As I said the laws of nature just go right on. Ultimately we can decide to accomodate to them or die,
That’s fatalistic at best. If we as a species had accomodated to the laws of nature we’d still be subsistence hunter-gatherers living in small communities being hunted for meat by large predators.
We’re in a position of greater responsibility because of our intelligence and power, but that doesn’t mean we have to be martyrs to the ecosphere. We can, and should, alter the natural balance, both for its own benefit and ours. Nature is a random assortment of sub-optimal outcomes determined through a biological statistics program, neither a deity nor, to my particular humanist perspective, sacred. We should learn from it, but never bow to it.
Hate to break it to you but we are the result of the working of the laws of nature. :-)
As the environment changes as a result of those workings we will either have the hardware and hardwiring to accommodate or die off. Just like fish.
Small pox and polio; diptheria and pertussus. Yes, lets go back to those days. Let’s dispose of trash collectors and go back to throwing garbage in the streets so periodically we can have bubonic plague. Let us just abandon three hundred years of science and medicine. Why not just abandon all vaccinations, and let our children take their chances? Well, it would be organic, wouldn’t it? My maternal grandmother was the only one of five who survived infancy; let us go back to those days of high infant mortality. Good God.
With all due respect, I got fired from my first internship for refusing to falsify a court-ordered evaluation; if you continued to stipulate to your patients tobacco was OK despite your knowledge otherwise, than the consequences are on you.
We’re the result of an undirected process, not a god. If we lacked the ability to alter our environment, on a massive scale, we would neither have this problem nor be having this conversation.
The only real threat to our survival at this point is ourselves. If we act in a concerted manner we should be able to create a new equilibrium that suits our purposes just fine. We’ve done it before, over and over again, down through human history.
I totally agree. Not all ‘chemicals’ are evil. My garden works well with little or no industrial herbicides and pesticides, and I impress on everyone that will listen, to head in that direction.
My favorite example to give, is to go into the local garden or home improvement center and look at the number of products that are used to kill things rather than grow things.
Vaccines = rampant overuse, complete dependence upon and addiction to petroleum-based fertilizers and pesticides, not to mention, not eating the seed-corn, but designing it OUT of millenia-old practice and making storing it ILLEGAL?
You’re more than a little confused.
Well the track record for how we have managed the planetary environment is not so good. Our species’ tenure on the planet thus far has been one of extraction to full depletion of many resources. And pretty much left the repair to what natural capacities endure.
That whole mindset of (mindless) expectation of infinite resources and automatic restoration has to change and change very quickly.
To imagine that man in his wisdom is in charge of it all is hubris to its the most dangerous degree.
The technology to permit continuing as we have simply is not there. And the idiots at Cato who say the rich nations will do just fine will hopefully be the first to go.
Things happened before you came along. Just as with lead, ionizing radiation, asbestos; long after there was good clinical evidence of the danger of tobacco smoking the government agencies etc. refused to declare it dangerous. And the ATI continued your mantra of “no scientific evidence.”
When you speak of health care provider liability law that is a whole different paradigm. It is to determine liability for consequences of advice the provider has given. It would depend on the dates as to whether the court would determine that it was common medical knowledge that smoking tobacco was dangerous.
If you followed any of the tobacco company liability trials you saw them shamefully claiming those who smoked should have known it is dangerous…….. in the time period they were lying.
good call, thanks. Although I found it interesting that they were actually invented by a guy named Mason!
that’s such a good point. I thought about it, actually, when my own book was published this past summer. But I’m too small time for them to go after like that I guess.
very interesting. It seems to me that there was always a rift between small subsistence farmers and those who owned big plantations who were producing for export. It’s the latter group that tended to abuse the land to squeeze every penny out in often stupid ways. I’ve also read that cotton farmers didn’t take entemologists advice for easy ways to control pests and that’s one reason they were so hungry for new pesticides.
actually, two books – The War on Bugs and Eating History – touch on this. Justus von Liebig, a German scientist, came up with the idea that only N, P, and K mattered in the soil and he dismissed the idea that organic matter in soil was important at all. Farmers rejected his ideas for decades but universities accepted them and then their people went into the government.
i have to disagree there. hunger went UP since the green revolution. so did per capita food production. it’s a very long discussion that i don’t have time to have right now. i applaud the green revolution for any lives it saved but i firmly believe that the lives could have been saved using environmentally responsible technology and we would have a better situation today in those countries.