Seemingly out of nowhere, Judge Royce Lamberth yesterday unsealed a series of opinions that disclose a large number of lies from CIA personnel to the court. The case dates back to 1994 and has been under seal until yesterday. I strongly recommend bmaz’s tremendous summary of the case over at Emptywheel. As bmaz quotes Judge Lamberth:
If multiple attorneys of the OGC within the CIA were aware of the change in Brown’s cover status and filled to report it to the Courts it would be a material misrepresentation to both this Court and the Court of Appeals. The CIA was well-aware that the assertion of the state secrets privilege as to Brown was a key strategy in getting the case dismissed.
Lamberth has found that multiple people within the CIA lied to the court in the decision from which the quote above was taken. The timing of that particular decision is quite illuminating. It was dated February 6, 2009. Is it a mere coincidence that only three weeks later, on February 27, the government submitted a filing in the al Haramain case? In this filing, the government stated:
The Government’s ex parte, in camera classified submissions also address an inaccuracy contained in a prior submission by the Government, the details of which involve classified information that cannot be set forth on the public record.
Marcy asked in the title to her post on the al Haramain filing, "Did Bush Lie to Vaughn Walker?" Given the timing of the "correction" in relation to the then-sealed Lamberth ruling, I think we can now safely answer that question in the affirmative.
But it doesn’t stop with these two cases. Note also the other recent accusations of lying by the CIA, where they are accused of lying about who, when and how extensively they briefed on torture (especially Nancy Pelosi) and the more recent revelations of the failure to brief Congress on Cheney’s hit-squads along with the affirmative lie to Congress about shooting down the airplane with the missionary on board.
Moving back to court cases, recall this admonition from Judge Emmet Sullivan earlier this year about Department of Justice lies and deception in cases relating to Guantanamo detainees:
"To hide relevant and exculpatory evidence from counsel and from the court under any circumstances, particularly here where there is no other means to discover this information and where the stakes are so very high . . . is fundamentally unjust, outrageous and will not be tolerated," Sullivan said, according to a transcript of the hearing.
"How can this court have any confidence whatsoever in the United States government to comply with its obligations and to be truthful to the court?"
What to do about it? Sullivan warned:
Sullivan, however, was skeptical of the government’s explanation and warned that "someone’s going to pay a price" for not disclosing the information.
"The sanction is going to be high," he said. "I’ll tell you quite frankly if I have to start incarcerating people to get my point across I’m going to start at the top."
I believe that Sullivan has the answer to what is not just a random series of individual bad actors. Viewed as a whole, these incidents demonstrate the result when one branch of government, the executive, is allowed virtually unlimited power at the expense of the other two branches, the judicial and legislative.
Only when we go back to the concept of true consequences, including incarceration, and including incarceration of those "at the top", will we have any chance of returning to a time when each branch of government can be assumed to be acting in good faith when dealing with the other two branches. Otherwise, as Sullivan notes, we will have no confidence that the government will be truthful to the courts. When we have no confidence that the government is truthful, I would posit that we have no government, but instead have tyranny.



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Recommended. Jim, if you care to, see my diary on this subject. It is now at the bottom of the index. DOJ had a secret agreement with CIA 1982-1995 — sort of do whatever you please without fear of prosecution…
There is also a lot of background on the Horn case.
Jim, thanks for your comment at my diary.
I only hope that the consequences of that bug on Horn’s coffee table are brought out in court. The Burmese good guy, Lu, reported the drug lords identities to DEA agent, Horn. The mike picked it up, the CIA ratted out Lu to the drug lords and horrible torture resulted. Lu survived and returned to fighting against the drug lords. I don’t know if he is still alive.
This kind of crimes George Tenet lied repeatedly to cover up. Maybe somewhere in the far corners of his mind there is a bit of shame, but probably he was just CYA.
This behavior suggests federal courts should not trustingly accept statements by federal prosecutors or other officials in any case before them, whether they are from the DoJ, the IRS, the SEC, the EPA, ad nauseum.
I do not see any attempt to recover from Bush’s excesses. Rather, Obama is extending them while depleting what remained of the government’s credibility. It was bad enough when the barely literate George Bush did such things. When one of Harvard Law’s most brilliant graduates in half a century does them, and in so doing commits gross hypocrisies and violates repeated campaign and presidential promises, the government’s credibility cannot arrest its fall.
It’s as if Obama and Emanuel have deceived themselves into thinking that because Bush so trashed the place, no one will notice when they trash it more.
I’ve got news, boys. The Neighborhood Watch is watching and it’s not happy. Yes, Bush broke the frat house windows, the place always smelled of stale beer, and he stripped the copper gutters to pay the utilities. But when Obama tears holes in the roof, throws furniture on the lawn and his pledges play with matches while drinking shots of tequila, it will be noticed and electoral consequences will follow.
I started a neighborhood watch,in conjunction with our local police dept.
I can’t get the cops to even come out here,now.
Keep watchin’ and waitin,folks,just like we do….
Laws are useless when they aren’t enforced-AND-when those in authority continue to do a job ON us,instead of a job FOR us!
This problem has been going on forever. I’d point you, probably again, to one of my favorite authors, David Wise, formerly of the New York Herald Tribune. His first book, written with Thomas Ross, “The Invisible Government,” was so explosive that the CIA tried to buy up all the copies, an hilarious tale told in “The American Police State,” written several years later. Both are now out of print, but I highly recommend them.
Thanks for this, JimWhite! You quoted,
“The sanction is going to be high,” [Sullivan] said. “I’ll tell you quite frankly if I have to start incarcerating people to get my point across I’m going to start at the top.”
What would “the top” be, in this case? Surely he’s not going to throw Bush in jail, although I wish he would.
Will there be a game of chicken here?
Bob in HI
Marcy seemed to think he meant high-ranking people at DOJ.
Perhaps he meant people – like George Tenet and Leon Panetta – who filed obviously false sworn statements with the court. The attorneys who filed false pleadings with the court. The attorneys (like Rizzo) who filed false appeal pleadings. That would be a good start.
All governments lie to their people. Our government just does it so much better than all the rest.
How about a little Thomas Paine….
“That government is best which governs least. Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.”
Anyone for smaller government???????????
You really are a glutton for punishment, aren’t you?
I hope if there’s ever a rapist running loose in your neighborhood, you don’t have to pump out Grover Norqist’s bathtub drain to find what’s left of your police force.
Your “dirty hands” comment the other day over at EW showed such shocking contempt for the law and morality that I briefly considered suggesting that you seek some counseling to overcome your antisocial disorder. I’m suggesting it now. Seriously, get some help.
PS. I can’t believe you’d show your face again after the incredible takedown Oldnslow did of you the other day. You were pwned big time!
For those, like me, who missed it, I assume this is the one you’re talking about, Jim?
Indeed it is! Thanks for the link.
PS to torgo2009: If you’re not sure who to contact to get some counseling, I’ll bet your parole officer has a good list.
WHOA!!!
If that response is old and slow,well, hell, I’m looking forward to old age!
How’s about FDL and its associated diaries start a Hall of Fame for all time best posts?
I vote old and slows post for best pwn of all time,for sure!
JW, I have to chuckle a bit. I guess I hit a nerve.
Isn’t it all about discussing the various aspects of this particular issue? Of course I may seem strange (though I doubt counseling would help) because I don’t spit out the party line….I’m not what you would call a progressive.
My feelings is based in large part in the fact that I’ll be the one paying for health care reform (with the exception of maybe one or two others out there). When you’re the one paying the bill things look a little different.
I don’t mean to make light of the whole subject and one thing you said did stike me and I promise to reflect seriously on it: “Because you have yours everything is just dandy.”
Also the last paragraph or so will be something I will reflect on.
For your part please think about just where we stop with the entitlements. If nothing else it comes down to there simply isn’t enough money to provide everyone with a free home, car, etc.
We used to be a nation of self sufficient individuals. Now we are headed in the welfare state direction. Of course these times (financially) are like no other most of us have known before. I think it best if we all pull together and as I am close to retirement I hope to help out in whatever appears to be the best place to do so (where the need is greatest).
I’m sorry I upset the rank and file progressives, but not too sorry. I think the average progressive has little concern for paying for things. They are great at coming up with ideas on how to spend money. I would think that might concern you all since you are giving your children and grandchildren an iron ball to carry around in the future.
OK, I’ve spoken my piece (without once swearing by the way). Now I want all of you to go over to Billy’s house and pop some popcorm and watch the Sotomayor hearings.
Oooh. Now I’ve hit a nerve. You have no idea how much my household pays in taxes. I suspect it would surprise you quite a bit. The irony of all the local taxes I pay is that I’m on a septic tank, well and private road, so I don’t get public water, sewer or local police patrols for speeders but I’m fine with still paying so others can have those services. There are certain functions central to the well-being of society that are best performed by government. The sad increase in the hungry and the homeless we see now is the result of the “I’ve got mine, Jack” attitude that began with Prop 13 in California and reached its zenith with the ridiculous claims that eliminating redlining by FannieMae caused the mortgage crisis.
I’m not looking for “freebies” for anyone; I’m looking to kill crony capitalism where those at the upper levels of government game the system so that they and their best buddies take all the marbles at the expense of the regular working stiff. Take health care, for example. Medicare works great and has incredibly low overhead. Those on regular health insurance are paying an extra 30% for the insurance company to profit while it denies care. The more care they deny, the more money they make. That is simply immoral. Let’s just extend Medicare to everyone and let the health insurance people find new jobs that don’t involve making money over letting people suffer. When the real math on this is done, it will be far less expensive because we’re not paying for the insurance execs to make billions and we’ll be practicing preventive care for everyone.
But seriously, think again about counseling. The ease with which you voice your desires for interrogators to get their hands dirty and to acknowledge that governments lying is just something we have to live with shows that you lack empathy in a big way. Read some George Lakoff. You conservatives rely on a big daddy authority figure to protect you (and even torture the bad guys) and we progressives base our approach on empathy.
Sorry, but I’ve worked hard most of my 60 years to get what I have. I’ll not apologize for that. I’ll also not apologize for wanting to keep what I have. Convince me to turn loose of some it for a worthy cause and I’ll listen. But you’d rather hurl insults so I guess I’m wasting my time with you. I may just stay away for awhile….like an hour or so.
I am glad you have so much empathy for potential terrorists. I don’t want to torment the innocent but if we don’t get info from some of these guys somebody is going to have a mushroom cloud in their neighborhood. If that’s what you want…..continue your empathy.
I don’t mind a full and frank discussion. As you may have noted, I get into trouble all the time for speaking my mind – and losing it. I don’t tow the party line and I don’t expect anyone else to either. Your comments about torture seem to indicate your approval of the activity. That isn’t going to get you anything other than disapprobation around here, I’m afraid. If you want smaller government, coming from the libertarian philosophy, that’s fine. If you want government to be able to lie to the courts, Congress, and the people – don’t be surprised when people take you to task for it. I’m in favor of the Constitution – how about you?
Why would anyone want government to be able to lie at will. My point is they have done it a lot. It’s going to be difficult to stop.
I am certainly in favor of the Constitution but too many think the US is a democracy. We’re actually a Republic. Democracy is not mentioned once in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence.
The torture issue is a tough one but it could mean the difference between a mushroom cloud or no mushroom cloud.
PS-I certainly don’t mind people attacking what I say.
By the way….NMvoiceofreason…..I like the name.
Thanks for reading and sticking around long enough for the conversation get less heated. I don’t mind having my assumptions tested. It’s a healthy thing.
PS2-For the record I voted for Obama. Never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life. I either voted Dem or not at all.
Oh that’s ok. I don’t mind criticism. We have many different perspectives. That’s important to keep in mind. Our country is especially desperate due to the greedmeisters on Wall Street.
I’ve been over here http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6550
doing the right thing. I should say trying to do the right thing. It will just take persistence. Maybe faxing at midnight.
My contacting Reid won’t do much good but I will do that. I gave him hell for his high speed train from LA to Vegas.
Jim, Maybe it’s none of my business, but there is a very tiresome hijacker here. Every time the author posts a diary this creature (that you took care of so perfectly when he tried it on you) leads off-topic and takes over the diary. You’ll understand when you read it. I cured him of posting on mine by utterly ignoring him, which I think his ego hates worst of all. He is a destroyer, not a contributor. If you choose to stay out of it, I certainly understand.
Thanks.
I’m still not sure what makes that one tick, but we did seem to come to agreement in the last thread of mine where he showed up. I think I’ll lay low on that one, since I also seem to have arrived at mutual agreement for civility with my visitor on this thread, too. I don’t want to push my luck…
Understood. Quite some time ago I pointed out to that one exactly what his purpose was and it had nothing to do with constructive contribution. It blew him away, he totally lost it and all pretense of a mask, calling me vile names. He has tried his oily “make nice” since then but I have colored him gone and he seems to have given up. He will continue his destructive input as long as he has a stage on which to perform. He needs either “the hook” weilded by the mods or to be met with utter silence. IMO.