
Teh Crazy Spying Veep
The remarkable interview of Lawrence Wilkerson by Andy Worthington published this week has a number of insightful revelations, including the now-famous conclusion by Wilkerson that Cheney is crazy. One bit, mentioned almost as an aside, stands out to me. Near the end of the interview, Worthington and Wilkerson are discussing Cheney’s "team" that he had dispersed throughout the government. At the end of a paragraph we’ll come back to later, there is this sentence:
I even figured out that they were reading my emails, but I wasn’t reading theirs.
Isn’t that just lovely? The Chief of Staff to the Secretary of State finds out that a team led by the Vice President is reading his email without his knowledge (or, presumably, his approval). This is an especially important revelation because earlier in the interview, Wilkerson talked about the reports he got from various individuals, scattered across the globe, on a number of topics. For example, when discussing the attempted "infliltration" of "6’ 4” white males with 19-inch biceps" into foreign capitals, Wilkerson mentioned how he got reports of this activity:
Other information came from other places like conventional formations in Afghanistan and Iraq, where I had people I knew in the military who were reporting back to me, usually by email, and also from the other side of the house, if you will, from the diplomats and the people in the embassies and the consulates and so forth in some of these countries,
[emphasis added]
It’s not too big a stretch to believe that the next topic Wilkerson mentions includes information he received through the same sorts of sources (and emails):
I’ve said before that one of the things that, with regard to the armed forces, has made me proud of a lot of those young guys out there — and young gals out there — was that a lot of these people apparently refused to do this stuff, and their leaders, whether they were captains or lieutenants, or whether they were majors, lieutenant colonels, colonels, brigadier generals or whatever, were not eager to order them to, because they knew, from past experience, that when that happens, then you get whistleblowers, you get people who write their Congressmen, and call their Congressmen, and take pictures and so forth, so I was elated to hear that a lot of these young officers — in particular, young NCOs — were refusing to do this stuff, but nonetheless they were talking about what others were doing.
Putting these bits together, it’s easy to imagine that Wilkerson received reports of torture from individuals who refused to carry it out and were upset enough about it to report it to him, presumably in an attempt to stop it.
That is where the pervasiveness of Cheney’s web comes into play. Let’s go back now for the full paragraph from which I took the first quotation. The context is that Wilkerson is discussing the remarkable day of January 13, 2005, when Colin Powell informed Bush that it was Cheney who was in reality running the country. When I first read this part of the interview, I was confused because Wilkerson and Worthington first confirmed the 2005 date for Powell’s disclosure to Bush and then Worthington launched into a discussion of 2004. However, after further thought, I decided that it made sense for them to take some time before they told Bush:
The sad thing is that, until early January 2004, I’m not sure we did either. I understood that there was a team, I understood it was highly placed and probably under the Vice President, I understood that it was membered in almost every aspect of the interagency group that dealt with national security, I understood they had a strategy, I understood they were ruthless in carrying out that strategy, and I understood that I was a day late and a dollar short, because they’d beaten me to the marketplace. But it took me a while to figure that out. I even figured out that they were reading my emails, but I wasn’t reading theirs.
So Wilkerson and Powell realized in January, 2004 that Cheney was running things and did not tell Bush until January, 2005. Part of that delay could have come from caution. Wilkerson realized his email had been monitored, and he knew Cheney’s team, although dispersed, was DoD based, and was "ruthless". That would seem like a good reason to take some time in informing the President of what they had learned, if they wanted to protect any whistleblowers who had come to them. In fact, waiting a year would allow most NCO’s to rotate out of their active tour. Of course, they also had to proceed with caution to determine just when and how it would be safe to make the revelation. Sadly, it appears that Bush was either too dim or too intimidated to take any action in response to Powell’s revelation.



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Our worst fears confirmed.
Mere speculation on my part, but I have to wonder how many members of congress also had their email being ready by Cheney’s team…
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Wow.
When will this sort of information bubble up to the national media, which is still spouting the patently ludicrous line that “unless you’re talking to al Qaeda, we’re not listening to your phone call”?
Decider Bush liked Cheney running things. It gave him more time for bike rides and naps. Preznitting is hard work.
You said it! The horrible thing is that Draco Dick was actually acting as President. I guess he didn’t learn a thing from being behind the scenes for Nixon. Spying on his own cabinet and fellow Americans in office should be treason. No wonder the Dems acted like children following the pied piper. They were ALL being blackmailed!!!!!
This is really a very old trick. Sy Hersh spends a good portion of The Price of Power describing the same kind of intrigue that was pervasive in the Nixon White House.
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And Mike Connell’s plane just “went” down…
Neither dim or intimidated…just a master manipulator.
A couple more points:
1) It also is known that at least someState Department cables were read by Cheney’s team, so that covers another major route of communication for Wilkerson and Powell.
2) It can be argued that Powell and Wilkerson held off on notifying Bush until 2005 because Powell resigned just after the 2004 election, and so they no longer were a part of the Administration.
3) To speculate just a bit further, is it possible that the first round of DOJ investigations of torture (including those now re-opened by Holder for Durham to investigate) were hampered by Cheney’s team “convincing” the whistleblowers to back off on their allegations? If they had the emails, they knew who was making the allegations.
Thanks, Jim. I trust Col. Wilkerson; he is fearless in speaking the truth and does not undervalue the ability or the right of the American people to know what our government is doing. Most importantly, I discern that Col. Wilkerson is not going to “come up a day late and a dollar short” in Cheney’s game this time or ever again.
We should draft him for president in 2012.
Recommended. Keep finding these gold nuggets for us, Jim.
Great work, Jim!
Convincing? And probably using some sort of enhanced technique, I’ll warrant.
Like Badwater, ourobouros, and PeasantParty, I have long suspected blackmail.
Thanks. It starts to get pretty scary when you follow it out to logical conclusions, doesn’t it?
I agree that Wilkerson is quite impressive. Thanks for the kind words.
Seven Days in May deux
I second Kathryn in MA…. We underwent a coup in plain sight, and it’s still a “secret.” Of course, given our pathetic media, the whole thing will soon be “old news.” Nothing to see here. Great post, Jim, and quite urgently important for us to hear on this anniversary.
I just learned how to use the spotlight on another post, and I have to say it was kind of fun! And much, much easier than I expected it to be.
This is another one of those stories that should be (virtually) rubbed in the face of our legacy media, who seem to have no scruples left when it comes to rights of privacy, civil rights, or any of those other niceties that civil liberties extremists are always going on about so shrilly. So, here I go!
Thanks, Karen. I also found an email address for Andy Worthington and asked him if he thinks its possible whistleblower emails were intercepted. If I get a response from him tomorrow, I’ll put it in the thread.
For some reason, Jim, I didn’t get a copy of what I sent this time, Jim. If it comes through later, I’ll send it to you.
Do you also think he might have any intuition or insight about “other” emails/calls, etc. that Cheney’s team may have intercepted? I’m thinking particularly about elected representatives in the Democratic party, but also of some Republicans.
No justice for the tortured.
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“A sharply divided federal appeals court in Washington today ruled against a group of Iraqi nationals who are suing two government contractors for alleged torture at the Abu Ghraib detention facility.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, ruling 2 to 1 in favor of the private contractors, CACI International and Titan, said the suits are preempted by federal law in the national security and foreign policy fields. The suits allege, among other things, that Abu Ghraib prisoners were beaten, electrocuted and raped. The claims include, among others, wrongful death and assault and battery.
The majority opinion, written by Senior Judge Laurence Silberman and joined by Judge Brett Kavanaugh, upheld a lower court decision granting summary judgment in favor of Titan; the appeals court reversed the denial of summary judgment for CACI. Click here for a copy of the opinion. “
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/…..ctors.html
Bet you forgot about the NSA intercepts, too; seems like forever ago that John Bolton had asked for them.
I’m sure they never had an inkling what was in Pat Tillman’s e-mails that’s for sure.
Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
I watched the Bolton nomination hearings really closely. Even our Republican Senator Voinovich showed his conscience (it was written all over his face and in his words)
The faces of Senators Biden, Kennedy, Kerry, Voinovich, Lincoln Chaffee when Biden continued to demand the NSA intercepts from Bolton allegedly having to do with spying on Colin Powell be turned over
I thought this group of Senators were going to jump over the chairs, tables, etc during the Bolton nomination hearing to kick Bolton’s smug ass.
Sidney Blumenthal wrote a bit about this alleged spying on Powell here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..sa.comment
The Bolton confirmation hearings have revealed his constant efforts to undermine Powell on Iran and Iraq, Syria and North Korea. They have also exposed a most curious incident that has triggered the administration’s stonewall reflex. The foreign relations committee has discovered that Bolton made a highly unusual request and gained access to 10 intercepts by the National Security Agency, which monitors worldwide communications, of conversations involving past and present government officials. Whose conversations did Bolton secretly secure and why?
Staff members on the committee believe that Bolton was probably spying on Powell, his senior advisers and other officials reporting to him on diplomatic initiatives that Bolton opposed. If so, it is also possible that Bolton was sharing this top-secret information with his neoconservative allies within the Pentagon and the vice-president’s office, with whom he was in daily contact and who were known to be working in league against Powell.
If the intercepts are released they may disclose whether Bolton was a key figure in a counter-intelligence operation run inside the Bush administration against the secretary of state, who would resemble the hunted character played by Will Smith in Enemy of the State. Both Republican and Democratic senators have demanded that the state department, which holds the NSA intercepts, turn them over to the committee. But Rice so far has refused. What is she hiding by her cover-up?
There have been articles and discussions that Powell was spied on by Bolton and the Feith team and his phone calls communications with Iran were being undermined by this group.
This alleged spying through various communications systems I believe runs back to Fox News being forced to take off the four part report of Carl Cameron’s in the fall of 2001 about Israeli based communications systems and how a large part of our communications systems and data mining are being done by these companies. Also in Camerons report he talks about this Israeli based communication systems being infiltrated by other countries.
Hell why does Israel have access to most of our communication systems? And why was Fox Forced to take this report off of their website?
Watch this four part report and think about it
http://www.informationclearing…..le7545.htm
Sure they were wondering too. Watch Carl Camerons four part report linked above
Thanks for that. There is some very interesting info in that link. (Your link broke, but this seems to be the article).
I wonder if Hillary Clinton could release those intercepts to the committee now?
You might be able to find coverage of those John Bolton nomination hearings in the archives at C-Span. Watching those Senators faces and listening to what they were asking for (again) and Boltons smug attitude was oh so telling.
Seriously I had never seen Kerry and Biden so pissed. But even more telling was how deeply concerned Voinovich and Lincoln Chaffee were. They wanted those intercepts
I have been wondering this for quite a while.
Think J. Edgar Hoover. wire taps on John F. Kennedy when he was a senator. voluminous secret files destroyed when Hoover died.
They (Bushco) were doing this kind of thing before september 11th. I think that has been admitted.
as far as I know, nobody has ever asked why, or who they were spying on.
amazing.
If they were gathering black mail material on elected representatives, it explains a lot.
Including why nobody in office cares about it.
and, what did he mean by “ruthless”. what activities did that include?
Who knows they may claim that those intercepts were destroyed with the torture tapes. Bush administration operated outside of the law.
We are still waiting for Obama, Holder, Whitehouse and the rest to actually demonstrate that they actually mean that “no one is above the law”
For now the peasants know that this is not true
Many good points here. Thanks.
Imagine the advantages Cheney’s ability to read State’s e-mail traffic gave him. If he had Addington or friends at the NSA or mole(s) at State permitting him to “eavesdrop” on the SecState’s chief of staff’s e-mails, presumably he had access to Colin Powell’s and others, in and outside of State. Imagine the raw intel, the vulnerabilities and plans disclosed — the identities, allowing him to take names and wreak havoc on a laundry list of actual and imaginary opponents, even those whose “crime” was to have information or an opinion that could help or harm Dick Cheney.
Is this is a crime? If not, where’s the presidential authorization? How many others did he/does he do this with, in the executive, on the Hill, in the judiciary? If State’s e-mails aren’t secure from adversarial eavesdropping, what makes us think the Sup. Ct.’s, the majority or minority leaders in the House and Senate, or the FBI (which might have been impregnable due to its legendary backwardness)?
This is of a piece with the people, the moles, Cheney placed across the federal government who fed him intel on major issues of the day, players who supported and opposed him, and on whatever interested him. Many were or became civil service appointees, which means they’re still at it.
What was that adage, Mr. Obama, about keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer? In part, it means keeping tabs on what they do and who they know and in closing off vulnerabilities from them, while smiling politely and having another beer with them. You know the drill, Mr. O.
I would say Bush was uninterested in dealing with Cheney’s quite possibly illegal electronic surveillance inside the US Government. He had no stomach for opposing Cheney and great interest in acceding to his “requests”, until he no longer needed to appear to be functioning as president. Only then could he tell Dick to Cheney himself by refusing Scooter his pardon and by not inviting him over for a
non-alcoholic beer.I also imagine that Dick told Shrub it was all some McCarthy-inspired program to deter and ferret out “commies” and whomever Bush disliked.
You don’t suppose Karl Rove used any of that info, do you, or that it was part of the “program” Comey, et al., objected to when the top tier of the DoJ threatened to walk out en masse unless the program was changed?
This goes back to his earlier terms in government, as well. He started seeding DoD with “leave behinds” when he was SecDef.
Question: How many of Dick’s ‘minions’ are still embedded in various agencies at the federal level? How much spying is still going on? I think we can make the horrific assumption that they are..and it is.
One gauge would be to watch the fate of Wilkerson in the next six months. Will he suddenly have legal trouble? Wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Maybe; maybe not.
Question: why is the main defender of Dick Cheney his daughter Liz, who also – according to Angler – worked with Addington and Cheney’s old high school chum in selecting the VP candidates in 2000, and then using the guise of ‘vetting’ them getting the goods on GOP leaders from Tom Ridge to Chuck Hagel to anyone who wasn’t a member of the GOP Plantation Caucus.
Superb diary, JimWhite.
Also recall that in Jan 2003, Eric Edelman was reading intercepts of Powell’s Director of Policy Planning, Richard Haass [current head of the Council on Foreign Relations] while he was in Dubai talking with Iranians.
Then take a look at two timelines at EW’s: The Ghorbanifar Timeline and the Missing Emails Timeline.
Per your comment @30, it sure is looking as if this ‘plan’ has been in the works since at least the late-1980s, and no wonder they’ll never, ever forgive Bill Clinton for interupting it all between 92-2000, when Shrub grasped power in order to carry ‘whatever’ this damn agenda is to its culmination.
And I’d also like to someday learn:
Did Cheney share any of that intercepted info with Prince Bandar?
Did Cheney share any of that intercepted info with people in the oil industry?
Did Cheney take the lead in appointing the members of the Intel Oversight group — the one that Scrowcroft was apparently bumped from, but the old Bush oil pal was put onto?
Who were they sharing this intel with?
How much of it was Cambone and his operation using?
I think if we ever learn anything even close to the truth it will turn out to be magnitudes stranger than fiction.
I wish someone could tell us what electronic “ears” Darth had built into his mansion which hugs the Langley HDQTRS of the CIA. Pretty good bet that he did not leave behind his favorite weapons.
Jim, Col. Wilkerson revealed in his latest interview that people all over the world in many fields of operation report to him. He has his own loyal army and merits their trust. Cheney betrayed their trust many times over.
IMHO, Wilkerson is too strong to be taken down by “legal problems”; they’ll have to take him out. I’m pretty sure that he is aware of their usual methods of doing that…I just hope he stays away from persons weilding long needles and ceases being a passenger on planes.
Ray McGovern gave them this new name.
Hi Jim,
Belatedly picking up on this. Sorry for the delay. Thanks for picking up on a fascinating interview (full of extraordinary insights), and pursuing these particular points. If I receive more information to clarify particular issues, I’ll certainly be back in touch.
Best,
Andy
I’ve been talking about this “team” for some time now, it began under ford when he took over for nixon, rumsfeld and cheney, (cheney was the underling) created a “team b” because the real cia would not manufacture teh information rummy and cheney wanted to undermine nixon’s treaty of detante
team b, who the real cia called out as fabricators and perveyors of fantasy
cheney rumsfeld played the same team b to drum up our war in Iraq
I ahve been talking about team b for ages and we really need to purge government of those traitors
mary has a post up with some snippets of cheney’s biographer, steven hayes who openly talks about team b;
that “team” inside the agency designed to come up with a “review” that contradicted the real cia’s review is team b my friends and I guarantee those same people who came up with the reputtal are some on the very torture squad as well
team b
I don’t have the exact number but I can take a qualified guess;
at least;
all of them
not kidding, at least all of them, then there would be their staff, friends, wives, husbands, lovers, kids
the answer is “at least all of them”
now you know
he learned how to do it better and how to get away with it
he got away with it the first time, he’ll easily get away with it the second time, especially since he has that “patriot act” giving him cover
they cannot afford to take him out acquarius, the crap will hit the jet engine if they take him out, of all those in the administration wilderson is the very most capable and he has it all set up what will happen if he is “disapeared’
on the other hand cheney is a moron and probably does not know it would be the worst thing he could have done
Thanks for dropping by, Andy. And thanks for the terrific interview that produced so much very useful information. I look forward to any updates.
I have a great deal of respect for Col Wilkerson finally coming out. Just can not figure out why …when he had questions as well as Powell about the validity of the pre war intelligence why in the hell he allowed Powell to sale that presentation at the UN. Powell and Wilkerson helped sale that unnecessary and immoral war.
what is up with that?
Many think Cheney’s spy team were busy undermining and interfering with negotiations with Iran.
Hell Cheney had Senator Pat Roberts intercepting any follow through on holding anyone accountable for the false pre-war intelligence.
Just keep wondering about how the communications systems and datamining was running through Israeli based communication systems and how those systems were allegedly infiltrated through a back door in their (Amdocs, Comverse Infosys) system.
“Near the end of the interview, Worthington and Wilkerson are discussing Cheney’s “team” that he had dispersed throughout the government”
Who knows who was the leader of this team…Elliot Abrams, Cheney, Libby, Feith, many heads to the monster
And now their target is Iran (maybe always the end game)
Ah Leen, I don’t know either. My best guess is that Wilkerson tried, but he was a Col. and Powell a General and if Powell made the decision then that was the last word. Also, Armitage was # 2 man; Wilkerson # 3. I don’t know what Armitage’s input was. Finally, it was Powell who decided either to: (1) tell Tenet, Cheney and Bush to take the job and shove it, thereby preserving his integrity, or (2) sell his soul and sink to the belly-crawl with those who presented the case to him. Sadly, he chose # 2.
Had Wilkerson been presented with the same proposition, I believe he would have chosen # 1.
There just has to be somebody left that we can believe in.
Leen, here is Col Wilkerson in an Oct/2005 interview on PBS on the lead-up to the Iraq War. He answers your question right at the end of the 10 minute clip.
They were monitoring everyone’s email. What makes you think it might not be? All part of a days work in tracking down those terrists. An abundance of caution, working Teh Dark Side.
Accidents can happen.
Yes, everything was being copied into databases, but it seems likely that lots of government figures had their emails actually read if Wilkerson knew for a fact his was being read.
Congrats on landing on the front page, Jim!
Before reading through the comments, let me offer this about the “lag” from the time in Jan 2004, when they figured out that Cheney was running things, to Jan 2005, when they finally told the Prez: I think it is important to point out one little event that happened between those dates: a Presidential election. Since Bush was getting another 4 years, Powell wanted to let Bush know. And coincidence or not, our other sources seem to show that during his second term, Bush gradually seems to have increasingly cut Cheney out.
Someone needs to document Cheney’s loss of power and influence during Bush’s second term. If this had not happened, we’d probably have gone to war with Iran. Who participated in corralling Cheney during the second term? Hadley? Is there anything in the Cheney books about this? (I’m thinking of “Angler,” and Jane Mayer’s book, for starters).
Bob in AZ
Thanks for the diary and keeping at this mess. I no longer have the stomach for the details, but appreciate others’ efforts in keeping track.
How did Wilkerson know his emails were being intercepted, and how did he know who was doing it?
So Wilkerson and Powell realized in January, 2004 that Cheney was running things and did not tell Bush until January, 2005.
So who says that Georgie didn’t get back at his runaway Veep?
‘Course, it only took four more years, when in an unprecedented homage to the passive-aggressive, he refused to pardon Scooter Libby.
So who got the last laugh, eh? (don’t answer that).
Thanks, Bob. Yes, the election likely played a huge role. Since Powell decided to leave after the election, that made letting Bush know a lot easier.
Yes, a careful analysis of Cheney’s loss of power would be very interesting. He’s probably as upset about Libby not getting a pardon as he is about the prospect of torture prosecutions.
Oh, yes, why did it take them 3 years to figure out that Cheney was behind the curtain? I don’t quite remember when I figured it out, but think I got it sooner. But even if I was later, I wasn’t party to all the info that Powell/Wilkerson had.
As far as revenge goes, that’s slim pickin’.
Your comments @ 7 are important additions to your diary. Your point #2 anticipates my comment @ 51, and your point #3 is an excellent bit of speculation. We might need some more timelines to cover what was happening.
Bob in AZ
The Wash Post article addressed this in part…Im trying to recall. An episode was described when W realized Dick was authorizing something clearly illegal/W wasn’t going along. At least that would have been part of it, I guess. Im sure someone else will recall more of the specifics, but, as you say, it was a shift.
We should draft him for president in 2012.
If, by that time, Wilkerson didn’t realize that he was, or was likely to be, monitored – he’s just not all that bright, now is he?
please insert a snark tag wherever you please – ’cause I forgot.
Edit: Now you got me thinking – should I include snark tags, or non-snark tags, ’cause I’m not at all sure which would end up being in the majority….
heh.
/s (?)
Oy, I missed the snark entirely. Fell for it, poop, line & sinker.
Beware umbrellas with long tips. I believe a specially made one of those has already been used in international intrigue as a murder weapon.
Bob in AZ
I like the ambiguity of the /s(?). It is definitely a good addition in this ambiguous world.
My bet is on Elliot Abrams.
Bob in AZ
I am pretty sure wilkerson has planned for “accidents” with the correct instructions, he’s not goiing this far out on a limb without some plans for “accidents”
so far wilkerson is easily the most patriotic, inteligent, capable and determined member of the previous adminstration
man what I would give to have him aboard the obama team right now
as far as snark tags, mine get obsorbed and nobody ever sees them
for instance I have snark tags going on right now but do you see these snark tags?
no you do not, so how are you to know this particular post is completely snark?
you cannot know since there is a snarkish glitch on this board and all snark tags when properly executed are obsorbed
true
A key point would have been Cheney’s hold on appointments with Bush. Maybe it was the WaPo series that mentioned that, at least during his first term, Cheney manipulated Bush’s appointment schedule so that he was always the last one with Bush, and was always able to get the last word.
It would be interesting to know if, and when, Bush’s appointment schedule was changed during his second term, depriving Cheney of having the “last word.”
Bob in AZ
snark
/snark
snark tags are useful if your audience is prone to high blood pressure, but they really take the fun out of it.
do you remember that picture of cheney, during a presser of the president, lurking behind bushes (’scuze the pun on that “bushes” thing, pure accident but it worked so nicely I had to comment on it)
ah, I see your tags do not get obsorbed
mine get obsorbed so I must be doing something wrong
THanks, Jim. This is pretty stunning. I’m going to have to read it again later.
Hiya firepups!
This may be a dumb question, but how did America elect or even almost kinda sorta elect an evil crazy person to be vice president?
going for a ride, see all later
Thanks Jim. That was a great interview that Worthington shared. Rachel had a wonderful interview with Wilkerson in May; here it is if anyone missed it. It’s embedded in his article in the Washington Note:
Two ways: Rs cheated and D candidate ran a piss poor campaign.
Eeeeek! Teh Crazy Spying Veep!!!!111
institutional memory or more properly, the lacking there of.
Jus cogens!
Dick Cheney is downright EVIL.
TBogg has McArdle by the tail, upstairs!
McMegan’s got a nonce cap
Jus cogens!
Cheney was the front man for the shadow government whatever that may be. Bush was just a script reader and a poor one at that. He was too dumb to have any ideas in his alcohol addled brain but his boy ego got off on being the POTUS even if someone(s) else did all the lifiting, heavy and otherwise. He was perfectly OK with Cheney taking care of operations. He seemed to know what he was doing.
He sure seems to have had 911 under control that day. Makes you wonder.
Nearly half of the voters felt that they would get lower gasoline prices with two “oil men” in the White House. Al Gore scared this same set of voters with all his talk about renewable energy. There were a lot of geezers who did not want to hear that “modern talk”.
They did not want to change. Dick Cheney acknowleged them by citing “our non-negotiable way of life”. That is “Americans will not give up their gas guzzlers”. Dick Cheney profited. No cheap gas. Don’t get fooled agin. But enough got fooled both times. Enough for the R’s to steal two elections – 2000 and 2004.
That’s always been my favorite question. As you say, even if we did not elect him, it was close enough to let him squeek by….all these folks who are so up in arms right now, I guess.
Don’t forget the marijuana, cocaine and Mexican prostitutes. Maybe the prostitutes had no affect on his brain, but his parents sure did.
And, I think there was coverage about “palace revolt” over expansive Presidential power that the Veep et al were aggregating thru the memos for torture etc. Somewhere W got some better advice…
how did America elect or even almost kinda sorta elect an evil crazy person to be vice president?
I suppose that I can only speak for myself here. I voted for Gore, but pre-election was somewhat reassured that Bush, though obviously dumb as a stump, had surrounded himself with “seasoned veterans”.
Now at that point, I was a political agnostic, and paid very little attention to anything national (until I learned that *3* buildings collapsed on 9-11 – at which point I began a program of fairly voracious reading, which has yet to abate).
Now – those who were truly in the know (and were aware of the PNAC 2000 Manifesto) may have known better, but if they did, they did a piss-poor job of getting the message out.
Who knew that Cheney was nursing a grudge which began during the Ford presidency? Undoubtedly, some did – I didn’t.
I also suspect that Cheney kept his powder comparatively dry – not showing his true self, up to the point at which he was tasked with picking Georgie’s V.P. Now ya gotta ask yourself, if you were in Cheney’s shoes, nursing whatever sick ideas and grudges that he was, how he could possibly *not* look at Georgie and realize that he was a lump of nothing, and that the path to power was wide open via making himself the V.P. candidate.
I also happen to think that the 2000 election was stolen in Florida by Cheney, because Georgie would never, up to his last day in office, been able to come up with something that blatantly criminal but still effective.
Random thoughts….
on Edit: Darn – left behind again…. lol.
The idea that Powell and Wilkerson waited a year to tell Shrub he really wasn’t Presidenting and deciderating like he thought I find incredible. I think that Bush didn’t really care what Cheney was doing most of the time. And if he limited what Cheney was doing later it probably had more to do with ego than policy.
Yep, Cheney and the guys made a trip to TX to court W and get him on board to be the puppet…for quite awhile even Laura, iirc, was not at all enthusiastic.
O/T
Dead men tell no tales:
Clout St: Christopher Kelly, key figure in Blagojevich corruption …Sep 12, 2009 … Posted by Jeff Coen and Jeremy Gorner at 3:10 pm; last updated at 5:56 pm Christopher Kelly, a key figure in the federal corruption probe …
newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/…/sources-say-theyve-been-notified-key-blagojevich-probe-figure-is-dead.html – 6 hours ago – Similar
Yep, back in ‘63 wasn’t it?
Gitcheegumee, that is a really weird story in Chicago Tribune about Chris Kelly’s death.
People should have read Cheney before They were elected. A man who is charged with finding a VP, that picks Himself should have worried even the most ignorant. Remember He was a CEO of Haliburton, and show me a CEO that is humble to anyone. We have a knack in this Country for voting in the wrong people, and the mess that is our Government should show us all. The fact that Cheney is still a free man to flap His lips like He is king of the world, is a disgrace to this Country. Madoff took money, Cheney took the heart of our Country, and everything we used to stand for. Madoff got a hundred fifty years, Cheney got a pension and a book deal. We preach the rule of law to the world, while showing we have no law in our Counytry.
Gets even better, huh?
Sort of like Dr. Bruce Ivins’s ’suicide’ by Tylenol.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/06/anthrax.ivins/
Why do you suppose Obama flipped his FISA vote last year? D’ya think….?
we all considered that, we also conisidered it likely pelosi was a target of that same blackmail when talking about impeachment
I’m not sure we can call that a grudge, he didn’t do this to “get back” at us, he did it because as wilkerson says, he is a mad man.
to mad men everyone is against them, they are paranoid, this is the reason cheney lurked behind “the bush” during potus pressers, he is a parnoid sociopath where nothing matters but what he wants
it seems he is a studied scholar of leo strauss
Bluebutterfly, you’ve probably already seen this series by Canadian Broadcasting, but just in case…
A real eye-opening documentary on all the workings behind the anthrax case(s).
They have an interesting segment with Part 4 where they allege a racist intent for the release of anthrax. Given that smallpox infected blankets were handed out to Native American Indians, it’s not too much of a stretch that this bioweapon could be used for racist ends.
See, I think that’s giving them too much credit–Pelosi and the rest in Congress don’t appear to have too much in the way of ethics given that they schmooze with lobbyists.
If they were ethical, I would think they would go out of their way not to be under the corporate thumb.
It doesn’t make sense, then, that they would be necessarily scared into submission when they are so openly unethical.
They don’t give a shit what the American public thinks.
They also don’t give a shit that crimes were committed, because now they have the opportunity to hold those responsible…and…*crickets*
The moderate Olympia Snowe wrote to me re. my concerns of NSA eavesdropping.
“A bipartisan panel is aware of all the activities of CIA/NSA.So there will be no unnecessary surveillance.”
Boy…did I feel better once I heard about the panel.
She is no moderate. Voted with bush on 90% of his legislation. Odd ..that she gets to write health care legislation. It is almost like there never was an election.
he has nothing to worry about, so long as holder and obama continue to serve as his firewall against prosecution.
Dick Cheney Spied on the State Department–Did He Intercept Torture Whistleblower Emails?
Can’t figure how to use that block quote….?
I guess survalence on citizens had a purpose….?
Rixas13, not so long ago the good folks here told me how to do it; so now it’s my turn. If I don’t make it clear, feel free to say so.
(1) In the text you are quoting, left-click-and-hold-down cursor where you want quote to begin. Slide it until all the text you are quoting is blue, then release. Click ‘copy’ on menu at ‘edit’ if Foxfire; at ‘page’ if IE.
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Good luck and hope it works. [if someone can state it better, please hop right in.]
Interesting reply….
I can add from first hand knowledge that today in the State of Illinois, they are using Hospitals to exterminate targets. I know this from being in a family for more than 26 years who are directly involved and have tried to use this on me back in 2002. I also know of others who were exterminated and one in particular was a close friend of a female friend of mine. She had a 10 year relationship with the deceased and she and members of her family told me they would testify he was actually murdered.
Meet the family:
Mexico drug plane used for US ‘rendition’ flights: report — Sep 4, 2008
http://afp.google.com/article/…..-xUcQEZbVg
Back in the mid 90’s I was told by the family that there were three hospitals being used for this purpose. This is before Cheney was supposed to have his Assassination team in operation but I will add that I know from the family who’s connection includes Cheney that Cheney was involved with the Hospital Assassination system in the 90’s. As frieghtening as it may be, at that time they called the Hospital extermination system, “The Killing Machine” for good reason. And remember the Killing Machine is only part of the overall process of exterminating their targets. I know again from the family as as well first hand knowledge that they use huge gangs of people to steer their victim to their doom. It’s important to realize that this group has to get their victim admitted into one of the Hospitals in order to let the Hospital finish them off. In the case of my friends friend, he was admitted by his doctor trying to give him what was considered per my friend to be an unneccessary proceedure. This is what she told me.
I also need to mention that the family at the time of telling me this did threaten me with somethimg similar if I should talk among other death threats. Needless to say back in late 2001 one of the Killing Machine Hospitals known as Central DuPage Hospital pestered me with numerous phone business calls to my office demanding that I personally pay them a business meeting for purposes of doing contract work for them. Knowing what this Hospital was about I offered that I don’t work for hospitals and recommended they talk to someone else. They kept pestering me and finally I did go in late 2001 and more times in early 2002. Each time I went, I missed having numerous car accidents coming and going when near the hospital… guess why? Upon arriving, the maintenance foreman who I was scheduled to meet with did ask if I had any problems driving to the hospital. I also asked him who wanted me there and he told me it was the Hospital President. When I asked for a meeting with the President, he replied the President didn’t want to see me. After making more than a few trips, they didn’t have any work for me to quote on nor were they even prepared to show me any work what so ever.
Keep in mind that they use huge gangs of people to steer the target into a trap. What I later learned about my female friend is she was also working with the gang to cause trouble for me. Also, early on when I met her, learning about what happened to her and her friend I gave her my car to use knowing that it was strong to withstand any car accident which is how they harm you. Over the following years, she NEVER had anything happened however I frequently had to deal with setup car accidents on an ongoing basis. This only furthers my suspicion of her having a link with this crime system who by the way connects with a huge Christian Church where my ex-wife’s family went for setting up their murders with the Director of Security. There is a lot to be realized with what this church is about and how they play into the micro snooping and huge gang stalking among huge drug trafficing and much more.
I asked my brother-in-law at the time WHY they do this? His reply was because they can and they always get away with it. Plus he added that the family of the deceased never question what happened and also it’s difficult to trace through what happened to get evidence. I know that part of this is because there are so many people involved in the murder setup and execution. And from what I said above, it should be clear that you have the gang which assists to steer the victim and from the President on down to the doctors are all involved. This so called friend told me what happened and it seemed that not all the doctors were involved but those who were had direct access to the victim.
My suspicion from first hand experience says the gangs are huge involving so many people in different capacitires it’s difficult to count. But I do know that the closer you get to the victim, the main people show up who are invovled in the actual steering.
There is a lot more but hopefully you understand how scary this is as we depend upon these healthcare services for help and what they are really doing is selectively harming us.
Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL
How many folks didn’t survive long after their emails were rendered?