In a column at Newsmax yesterday, John L. Perry suggested that there is a chance "America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the ‘Obama problem.’" In arguing the case for why the military would do this, Perry urges the reader to view the current situation "through military eyes". He then produces a list of motivations that are nothing more than typical right wing distortions and projection. I have selected a few items from his list for discussion.
Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.
The bailout provisions for the auto industry did result in the government replacing the head of GM. Can anyone point out to me any companies, let alone entire industries, that were actually nationalized? All I saw was a massive hand-out to large firms, and this hand-out started during the last few months of the Bush Administration.
As for the trampling of the Constitution, the Fourth Amendment died during Bush’s term. The provision for impeachment also disappeared when Pelosi took it off the table, despite ample evidence of crimes committed by Bush and Cheney, among others. Bush abandoned habeas corpus. Yes, Obama is continuing the shredding of the Constitution, with his desire not to punish Bush crimes, his desire to establish "pre-crime" indefinite detention without charges, and his continuation of warrantless wiretapping, but these trends had their start under Bush. What new Constitution-shredding has Obama done that did not start with Bush?
They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.
Do you think maybe two wars, with over a trillion dollars spent, massive tax reductions for the richest individuals and corporations with a simultaneous dismantling of oversight of the financial industry under Bush had anything to do with this situation? Apparently Perry doesn’t.
They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.
I guess Perry wasn’t aware that a number of intelligence professionals have been speaking up in favor of torture prosecutions. In fact, just yesterday there was an open letter to the President published from Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. Here’s an excerpt:
-Tenet was the chief enabler of torture. He also oversaw widespread kidnapping ("extraordinary rendition"), which in some cases led to torture.
-Our sources tell us that Tenet knew about the overstepping of the guidelines approved by the lawyers and that he knew the people doing it. Rather than restrain them, he pushed them still harder, in an attempt to please his masters.
We strongly believe that investigations of possible wrongdoing cannot, in all fairness, be limited to the proverbial "bad apples at the bottom of the barrel." Rather, in our view, such investigations must be allowed to go wherever the evidence leads.
The huge irony here, though, for Perry arguing against torture prosecutions is the impact that our policy of torture has for our military. Even though Perry claims he is describing conditions as seen by the military, he overlooks the most obvious consideration of a torture policy. Now that the entire world knows that torture is the policy of the United States in dealing with detainees, what is the impact of that policy on our own troops who fall into enemy hands? Our torture program virtually guarantees that our own troops will be tortured if they are captured.
The realization that our torture program puts our troops at greater risk may well be behind the action of a group of retired military officers who have come out in favor of the closing of Guantanamo (h/t bluebutterfly):
The retired officers, who met with Attorney General Eric Holder and other senior administration officials in Washington this week to discuss the issue, are planning a series of events, including appearances at universities and local community groups across the country, to make the case for closing Guantanamo.
"We’ve been disturbed by the disinformation that is out there, that is playing on fear, and that is leading people to be diverted from the issue of closing Guantanamo," retired Army Gen. David Maddox said Tuesday, in an interview with the group.
It sounds to me like Mr. Perry is a proud purveyor of that disinformation that Maddox mentions. Perry is going further than just the issue of Guantanamo, however. In a move of classic projection, he is trying to put the massive failures of the Bush/Cheney neocons onto the shoulders of Obama. In fact, it would seem that Perry’s arguments in favor of a military coup made more sense in September, 2008 than they do in September, 2009. The electorate found a way to deal with the "Bush problem" at the polls. Obama risks a similar electoral fate to the extent he continues the Bush abuses in defiance of his electoral mandate, but Perry is living in a fantasy world if he believes even a portion of the drivel penned under his name yesterday.
Update: The link to Perry’s column no longer works; it just goes to the Newsmax front page. Links to other, older Perry columns still work. Did Newsmax pull the plug on the column? It appears that the the "Newsmax colmumnist problem" might be getting a bit bigger.
Update 2: A large portion of the column is archived at Media Matters (h/t eCAHNomics)
Update 3: MediaMatters pdf of entire Perry column.



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Interesting that the story went down the memory hole. I guess even the righties are capable of embarrassment.
Is it embarrassment or a visit from the Secret Service? This will be a very interesting story to watch throughout the day.
The very largest fault I find with my fellow Americans, is a near total lack of perspective.
Bush spent over $700 BILLION dollars and committed untold $TRILLIONS more in his last 120 days alone to hide the losses of our pirate financial system, the Iraq war will cost over a $TRILLION and we’re never going have an accounting of where all this money went because BushCo made most of it a state secret.
Now Obama has spent less than $200 Billion dollars so far, and much of that on Tax Cuts, so the logical reaction is a coup?
Why is it that the only honest source of perspective on our country’s economic priorities, as evidenced by federal spending is a public service announcement in support the World Food Program featuring Sean Pean?
I don’t get it.
As most folks here know and complain about, Obama is at best a moderate progressive. As such, what is it that is igniting this wildly dispropotionate rage against him?
I know a good deal of it is manufactured, but form my own personal dealing with formerly sane conservatives, I have learned that there is more to it than the mighty conservative Wurlitzer stirring up the rabble.
Yes, part of it is the economy, racism and nativism, all exacerbated by the Wurlitzer. But, there is more to it than this. I fear it might be that our country just doesn’t work anymore.
There’s not a single sane person on the planet who ‘gets it’ OG, the fact that you don’t ‘get it’ speaks volumes about your capacity to think clearly.
Everyone who retains the ability to think clearly despite the last several decades of 24/7 propaganda emanating from our corporate ruler’s media machine agrees with you.
I read some of the post before it was disappeared. The right-wing has gone way beyond American grumbling about the president, free-speech, and loyal opposition. Many now advocate racial violence, and forcible overthrow of our legitimate government. Our country needs to “work” again, in that those remaining silent need speak out against hate and fear-mongering. Corporate media is complicit, in not focusing on a big story: exploitation of radical right extremists by corporations and their noise machine, inciting violence against our government. And they dare call Obama a Nazi?
Newsmax is part of Rupert Murdoch’s NewsCorp media empire.
Rupert Murdoch is a US citizen.
When he was naturalized in 1985, he swore to
It would be irresponsible not to ask why the INS and DOJ aren’t calling Mr. Murdoch in for questioning.
It’s all about the loss of total power and what that represents. The RWAs are not satisfied unless they (the so-called party of small government!) can control every aspect of our lives.
Nice work, Jim! It’s a good thing those updates came in on time, so they could be added to the post. Synergy.
Is it possible that Newsmax may decide to act more proactively (than just disappearing a column) about its columnist problem?
TREASON!
We’ve been this way before.
In 1933, many wealthy businessmen feared FDR would let the country slide into socialism if left to his own devices. They attempted to recruit the popular military hero, Smedley Butler to join their conspiracy to depose FDR in a coup d’etat and replace the elected administration with a dictatorship led by Butler.
Butler was a true patriot, who rather than join the conspiracy, testified against the plotters in Congressional hearings.
Then, as now, the New York Times provided cover for the plotters rather than truthful ‘reporting’.
Yes, those parallels are disturbing. Who will be the next Smedley Butler?
It must be remembered, Butler refused to be a traitor, I’m worried about those that might accept the invitation.
Love how it got deleted. That won’t save em!
W4B, that is worthy of a follow-up diary.
JimWhite, thanks for this post.
John Perry’s column is seditious at best, and calls for the overthrow of a duly elected U.S. government by force and violence (which is illegal in many of the 50 states). The man is over the line, and every bit as worthy of a federal investigation as that Facebook poll on assassination.
Shouldn’t the Secret Service talk to this guy about his sources for the story if he claims he has no sources then lets see his *cough* facts. I want him to put up or admit that he pulled this story out of his ass.
OK. It turns out that Newsmax is not part of NewCorp.
Time for a commenter ethics panel.
Didja notice who’s been involved with this rag over the years. Talk about some hard care reichwingers.
Ah, and at the end of the “Controversial Articles” section we find this:
I wonder how many other lefty sites archived this piece of shit.
Hey, Perry!!! Yeah, you, asshole. You can run but you can’t hide.
Excellent work.
The right wing is on the edge, frustrated, what next…
This article was wrong on so many levels that I gave up reading it halfway through. It’s astonishing how little you need to know about the world to write a conservative column these days.
As a retired officer pointed out recently, articles like this are incitements to mutiny–and mutiny is the single most unconstitutional AND unmilitary act possible when seen through military eyes.
Any serviceman or woman who would express such thoughts openly would no doubt face charges.
I’ll tell you what’s next. But first, thanks to JW for writing this up. The fanaticism exhibited by these neocon whackos is a tell. They’re calling for real action against the America they lost.
Sure they’re disappointed about losing power. Yeah they’re in a frenzy about their impotence to alter the outcome of their failed fantasies. But it would seem they’re not bereft of means and motive. They just lack opportunity. They’re not that far removed from the thrall of their former point of view. Rove’s permanent Republican majority still grips their collective unconscious. They will do anything to re-establish their connection to the political power grid.
Josh put this perspective on the Krazy Kids Kabal in his early piece:
Practice to Deceive
Chaos in the Middle East is not the Bush hawks’ nightmare scenario–it’s their plan.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..shall.html
The difference is that the battlefield is now here at home. The Righteously Indignant Righties are employing the tactic of sewing chaos and distrust within the body politic. It serves to reclaim their purpose, their position of leadership of the conservative movement.
This situation won’t resolve without an inversion. It will require a purge. The boil will continue to fester, the ranks of the Red Zombies will swell and burst. It will splatter. It will smell. It has already cost America her equanimity. It will be resolved in time, It should be over by election day, 2012. Then we should look forward to years of hope and recovery. The change will have come by then.
Thanks for that reminder. Here is the diary markfromireland did on that topic.
This exclamation attributed to King Henry II, is popularly understood to have been a coded order to his henchmen to murder Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury.
This ostensibly ‘rhetorical’ question/exclamation is also popularly understood to be an archetypical example of the way in which the very powerful communicate orders for which they later wish to provide themselves a plausible denial.
In other words, King Henry II could then plausibly state that he never ordered anyone to kill Thomas Becket.
Powerful people never ‘order’ anybody to kill anybody; they just let it slip that they’d be eternally grateful if somebody would take care of that particular ‘problem’.
This is why Perry’s characterization of Obama as a ‘problem’ is so troubling, it’s not only coded language, it’s barely coded language.
Perry’s words speak of the impunity with which the right wing feels it is able to act.
What, you mean there was a coded message in, “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?”
I would add one other disturbing observation to the point you make. Bush and Rumsfeld oversaw what amounted to a purge of many high level military officers who chose to retire rather than carry out the depraved policies that were put in place. It’s not too late for Obama to offer full reinstatement (with seniority intact) to any officers who left under Bush. The military desperately needs these officers of conscience who would be able to keep the likes of McChrystal and Petraeus under closer scrutiny.
Amen. But if Obama wanted them, he could recall them. Unless they resign their commissions, retired officers are subject to recall at any time, as near as I know.
One of Obama’s great failings in my view has been his failure to decapitate the politically opportunistic military command structure that Bush created and replace it with the consientious, professional command that existed before the Republican purges.
It is a taboo to talk about fascism and the United States in the same breath. But the Republican right is fascist and fascists need enemies to rail against and blame for all that they see wrong in the country. That they themselves are responsible for most of it just means they need to shout louder and make even wilder accusations.
TPM is reporting that Newsmax is attempting to distance itself from Perry:
Yep, just an unpaid blogger for them who is given equal billing with Grover Norquist and the owner of the site. I’m believing there’s no connection, aren’t you? /snark
And who takes the bait…? Righties in their nighties!
Talk of Revolution Grows
http://macsmind.blogspot.com/2…..grows.html
Krazy like a Fawkes?
Caught in the act?
Massachusetts Senate Candidate Advertises on Newsmax.com ‘Coup’ Article
http://washingtonindependent.c…..up-article
Got Glock? Oh wait… this is Massachusetts!
http://www.westernmassedc.com/…../firearms/
Talk about a booming business…I wonder if he calls it the Gun Owner’s Party?
Maybe he’s not so Krazy after all… He likes getting caught with his pants down!
Brown posed for the nude pictorial in Cosmopolitan (magazine) in 1982, when he was a 22-year-old law student at Boston College.
That’s amazing, thanks for sharing it. I can hardly wait to hear how Brown’s campaign tries to wriggle out of that tight spot.
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=…..#038;gl=us
Perry article, google cache
With a fund-raiser, of course! He’s not exactly Bert the Turtle…
http://www.archive.org/details/DuckandC1951
But he is out to fill his knickers with shillings…
http://redmassgroup.com/diary/5433/campaign-update
He wants to make a hard push to set things straight! The CosmoKid will rise again! “I’m not ashamed of my body”, he says.
http://community.webshots.com/…..5575OYIOKC
More On Brown…
Investigating Scott Brown’s body of work
http://www.bostonherald.com/tr…..id=1197778
snip
I’m not sure what this yearbook picture from 1984 suggests…
http://eagleionline.com/blog/w…../brown.pdf
It may have something to do with waking up with hot chicks spotted at Fenway. Or at an RNC Cell Meeting…
http://washingtonindependent.c…..ewsmax-com
Yeah, special message is right…
[Who will be] “The last man to enter
Parliamentthe Senate with honourable intentions.”The views expressed by the Perry piece discusses the source of the law for treason. In doing so, he has violated numerous laws by calling for persons specific to act against those same laws. He has called for a hostile takeover of this country. He should have been in jail this morning. Should we assume he is walking free at this point?
There is no government if that is the case, is there?
I was writing about that in the mid-1990s. Where has he been all his life?
Aw shucks, Brownie doesn’t want to play this game.
Waaaambulace call…
http://www.bluemassgroup.com/s…..tId=207552
But, but, but… does that mean…
The Left Has Lost The Narrative
http://www.melissaclouthier.co…..narrative/
Good reason to be revolting there Righties! Destroy the Pupfish! Reclaim the Dominion and the narrative!
The scary thing is his experience as staffer to both LBJ and Carter. I really wonder where he goes from here…
Obama is much to green to do anything substantive with the corrupt U.S. military. If he even wanted to.
Why do stupid right wing dicks equate “czars” with being communist? havent any of them learned any history up to about the 7th grade level? jesus what a bunch retarded inbred cattle
Yes, I caught that on TPM earlier. Promptly forgot about it.
My point was actually quite different. The DATA (ya know, like evidence) showed that Japan, China and India were finanacing the U.S. as far back as the 1990s, and I was pointing it out in every client meeting and on cable biz channels. I wasn’t saying it was an imminent problem, nor do I think it is so right now (U.S. is such a big borrower that it owns the lenders, kinda like Donald Trump). The substantive point is that Perry has just discovered this long-standing problem and thus thinks its new, just ’cause it’s new to him.
I was pretty sure a column like this Newsmax column would happen on a righty forum; I was just wrong about the timing! I thought it would happen in the 2010 cycle, not this early.
While I carry a generally dim view of the MIC, I do think that there is more than one Smedley Butler out there, who would prevent this sort of thing.
Yet I am still bugged the general threat level. And I am non-plussed about the race thing. It’s so obvious that it’s racial, since Obama is, as many have observed, really a centrist and more Blue Dog type in the politics of it all.
A disappointment to Progressives, but we’ll be the first, loudest and angriest ones on the line were the worst to happen. I feel this in my gut, and thus the bitter disappointment about our values not being represented by him.
Heh. Only milk cows being produced now.
Obama=400 times threats as W.
What!? Now you and Grayson both have to apologize to Republicans for calling them names! You know that when you inbreed cattle you usually end up with dwarfs.
And don’t worry about apologizing.
Yes, the foreign debt is a perfect example of the ongoing problems that Perry tries to attribute to Obama. In his warped little mind, every bit of that debt is Obama’s fault, even though as you point out, it has been around for a very long time.
Here’s the link. 400% not 400 times.
Puerile level of discourse, if it’s even that high.
CSI-NY guy sez dying man is a coward. The actor was cited for possible R 2012 prez candidate. Sounds perfect!
Sent an email thanking CBS for promoting his unsuccessful campaign.
So WTF? People just get to call for a military coup with no consequences?
Yes, that 400% number I’ve read before and it’s hard data. Which is good to know.
But I’m referencing soft data at the point where I say “were the worst to happen… and feel in my gut.”
The difference in the air from those who are loyal opposition to policy, to those who are seditious by racism is damn near palpable and thick in my nose.
I thought that was treason. But free speech and all that. We have to be bi-partisan s/
I don’t like O but am too depressed to think about the worst that could happen to him. Not my country anymore. Thought it might be back in my court after 2008, but, alas, was not to happen.
This is exactly the problem with the motivated Dem base.
It primarily consists today of people who are LOYAL in their opposition to Leadership, yet must still contend with opposing the unrepresentative (of humans anyway) Right.
Fighting a two front war is exhausting and demoralizing since there’s never enough resource to go around.
Maddening.
Progressives have no one to support (except Alan Grayson, a majority of one).
Brown Brigade? Not Brown Shirts?
No, it’s not treason. IANAL, but I beleive that treason is narrowly defined in the Constitution to prevent abuses of the kind that the kings of England favored. Treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. So it is hard to say that a fellow citizen is the enemy as such.
As near as I know, calling for or discussing a coup is only a crime if you are in the armed forces or a retired officer that still holds a commission. So if the wingnut blogger actually has any sources in the services, they could be looking at mutiny charges.
The services take civilian conrol of the chain of command very seriously. Servicemen are not allowed to criticize the President, express political views publicly, or to be seen at political events in uniform. Some go further. My grandfather, a Colonel in the Air Force, told me that he never voted after taking his commission. As a soldier, it was his job to obey the political leadership, not to boss it around. He was called to defend the rights of others to be politically active. Grandpa had very, very rightwing views on many subjects. But he’d have been the first to arrest a coup plotter.
I love seeing the picture of Perry that old pickled gasbag.”Get off my lawn you kids”. Of course what he says is outrageous, but he seems like a typical old crank sputtering and muttering. Trying to read his ridiculous drivel is migraine inducing. It’s not so much a call to arms as it is a call for metamucil. Doddering old fart. Shut up old man. This is how they should deal with John L. “The dead body that claims it isn’t” Perry:
The Dead Collector: I can’t take him.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn’t: I feel fine.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, do me a favor.
The Dead Collector: I can’t.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won’t be long.
The Dead Collector: I promised I’d be at the Robinsons’. They’ve lost nine today.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, when’s your next round?
The Dead Collector: Thursday.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn’t: I think I’ll go for a walk.
Large Man with Dead Body: You’re not fooling anyone, you know. Isn’t there anything you could do?
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn’t: I feel happy. I feel happy.
[the Dead Collector glances up and down the street furtively, then silences the Body with his a whack of his club]
Large Man with Dead Body: Ah, thank you very much.
The Dead Collector: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
Large Man with Dead Body: Right.
Why aren’t we asking to see Rupert Murdoch’s citizenship papers–you know, the long form?
If the military rebels it will have to be from the middle ranks on down. The upper ranks are vetted for loyalty to the NWO. You can count on that.
It’s already ‘fascism’ and headed toward full blown communism. The sheeple and most ‘patriots’/conservatives/truthers/paulbots/whatever will be willing slaves because they are unwilling to do what is required.
It will take many expensive suits hanging along Pennsylvania Ave. to fix this mess if it can be fixed.
Don’t understand? Start here:
http://willowtown.com/promo/quotes.htm
Think globally, fight locally. Aim small, miss small. One shot, one dead “Liberal”(communist/fascist).