Joe LIEberman (Insurance-CON) went on Fox News Sunday this morning and in addition to promising to block the public option, he announced that he was finally planning to hold hearings in the Homeland Security Committee. Recall that LIEberman steadfastly refused to hold oversight hearings on the Bush failures in Katrina, but was still allowed to continue chairing the committee even after campaigning for John McCain (Old-GetOffMyYard) in the 2008 presidential election. What will be the topic for the hearings? Nothing other than a big round of "booga booga there’s Mooslums in the military!"
Here are some snippets from the transcript of the appearance:
WALLACE: I’m going to pursue that in a second. But any evidence so far that what you or your staff have heard in briefings that he — because we know he was on some radical Islamic Web sites…
LIEBERMAN: Right, right.
WALLACE: … that he was exchanging communications either in this country or overseas with other Islamic radicals?
LIEBERMAN: Yeah. Nothing I can confirm at this point. I think it’s very important to let the Army and the FBI go forward with this investigation before we reach any conclusions.
But what we do know on the record from third parties reporting over the last two or three years — that he made a series of statements justifying suicide bombing, comparing it to the bravery of an American soldier who would throw himself on a grenade to protect his colleagues, that he said that — well, he shouted out, according to bystanders at that — while killing the other day at Fort Hood, the words Allah Akbar, an expression of faith in Islam which the Islamist extremists have corrupted.
And the fact that he did that at the moment of these murders — if that’s confirmed, of course — raises genuine concerns that this was a terrorist act.
I will add to this, Chris, this is not the first attempt by Islamist extremists to strike at American military bases. We’ve broken up plots to go after Fort Dix, Quantico Marine base in Virginia.
In fact, the one successful, if I can put it that way, terrorist act that was done in recent years was the individual in Little Rock, Arkansas who walked into an Army recruiting station and killed a recruiter.
And there is testimony that Dr. Hasan actually said that he understood that and supported that act.
/snip/
LIEBERMAN: I am intending to begin a congressional investigation of my Homeland Security Committee into what were the motives, what were the motives of Hasan in carrying out this brutal mass murder, if a terrorist attack, the worst terrorist attack since 9/11, and to ask whether the Army missed warning signs that should have led them to essentially discharge him.
Really, in the U.S. Army, this is not a matter of constitutional freedom of speech. If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance. He should have been gone.
Of course, there are absolutely zero grounds for holding such hearings. As reported by AFP, all evidence points to Hasan working alone and having no contact with terrorists:
"All evidence at this point indicates the suspect allegedly acted alone," said army investigation spokesman, Chris Grey, appearing to strike down any theories that Hasan was part of a radical Islamist sleeper-cell.
/snip/
An initial search of Hasan’s computer revealed no direct exchanges with known extremists, but US Army and FBI officials had yet to rule out completely possible links to terrorist groups, US media reported.
Joe LIEberman will never ask for one bit of accountability from his BFF’s in the Republican Party, but is entirely willing to LIE while convening hearings aimed at whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria. There really is no limit to how low LIEberman will go.



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I saw the headline and thought: Good grief! No accountability hearings during LIEberman’s tenure as chair of homeland security, but now he’s going to call for one that will be all about Muslims!
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Joe Lieberman is with us on everything except the war.
— Durbin, Reid
It really seems like Obama and Reid will never find anything Joe does to be a step too far. I’m not sure if there is another person on the planet I find more offensive than Joe.
Joe is at war with women, poor people who don’t have insurance, and of course, scary Mooslums.
For me, it’s a toss-up between him and Rove. And maybe Tom DeLay. But that’s only among politicians. There are so many more among the legacy media, I can hardly count them.
The guy is a JEW, and the Arabs are Mulsims say anything. Good thing He lives Here cause with his mouth he might be just another tombstone over there.
No limit indeed.
How could you leave out Çheney?
Thanks, Jim.
Joe Lieberman: When a Three Minutes’ Hate just isn’t enough.
So GI JOE is finally going to stop counting Obama Czars?
Thanks for writing this, Jim… I was itching to write an opus about the vileness of LIEberman all day. He’s not a “moderate,” nor is he even a Blue Dog… He’s a full-fledged, Bill Kristol and AIPAC-blowing wingnut. It’s disgraceful, and I think a major drag on the Dems, that he hasn’t been tossed out on his wrinkly ass. Of course, if he got tossed for this, FOX would have a weeklong 24-7 pity party about how Dems want the Mooslims to take over, but what the Hell? That crowd thinks that anyway. But if Harry Reid had the balls to say that he’s a racist, lying, and corrupt bigot who ought to be, as such, on the other side of the aisle, even the hallowed “independents” could hardly argue. (I even think Reid would gain some grudging respect from the FOX-addled….)
Coddling LIEberman does nothing but (again) make the Dems look like principle-free losers, which sadly, they pretty much are.
All those are good choices, too, but Joe is the only one who pretends to be on our side while pulling the same vile stuff. Only Rahm (and closing fast on the inside, Obama) is in competition with him.
No Short Hate for Short Ride!
Not if their putting Mooslums in the military.
There’s plenty of material for rants about Joe. I look forward to your next offering.
does this man somehow find it amusing to mock the Democratic party, whilst part of it’s caucus?
Intellectual dishonesty, while whipping up anti-Muslim hysteria–anti-Muslim-American hysteria–is, in my book, a greater act of terrorism than that poor schmuck Hasan is guilty of. Intellectual dishonesty itself ought to be more than enough reason to remove Lieberman from his committee chairmanship. If the country were run like any good business he’d be out of there.
And our Rep McCaul immediately called it an act of treason…..
Liarman shouldn’t have a chairmanmship to do anything with. In my opinion he has an agreement with the pukes to caucus with the dems to fuck up anything and everything the dems are trying to do. Throw that pathetic bastard out and force him to caucus with repubulicks, he and bachman are birds of a feather.
The AP story announcing LIEberman’s hearing is now in the most prominent spot on the Yahoo News page. I’m betting CNN.com puts up a big story on it before the night is out even though the announcement was on Fox News. This is exactly the kind of thing the noise machine loves. Joe’s going to be so “excited” when he gavels the hearing to order he might have to call an immediate recess to change his pants.
Bachmann at least has the strength of her perverse and pathetic convictions. The Great Troll of Stamford has no convictions other than his frustrated pretentions to greatness and his repressed fury at a world that refuses to acknowledge that greatness.
If the dem leadership allows liarman to f up healthcare that will the final nail in their coffin. We will all be forced to live with the consequences. I will not vote for another dem nor give them money unless they are the Grayson type.
There’s a line at the end of Wall of Voodoo’s “Call of the West” that has a guy in the background hollering out, “I used to be somebody! Goddamn, you! I used to be somebody!”
I hope we see the day when that is Joe.
Time for hearings on whether the privilege of military service should be limited to white, anglo-saxon, christian men. /s
Since he will not hold hearings on torture or illegal wiretaps or illegal war I guess he has to do something with his time.
I thought he spent most of his time over at AIPAC.
I guess this means the corporatist Mr. Obama will never countenance removing Holy Joe from either the Senate’s Democratic caucus or from his chairmanship of the Heimatsicherheitsdienst Committee. Even a clothing dummy would have held one hearing on the graft and corruption in government contracting in the bowels of Homeland Security’s massive budget, to name a petty example of HS’s overreach and sometime incompetence.
All Holy Joe does is sit on his thumbs, except when it comes to grandstanding the Ft. Hood tragedy into something it’s not. Which goes to show that when it comes to executive privilege and power, Mr. O and Lil’ Shrub have a lot in common.
The killings at Ft. Hood have the earmarks of a psychotic episode on the part of a psychiatrist too involved with his soldier patients’ harmed psyches, who felt he had nowhere constructive to turn or even to let off steam, someone who experienced firsthand the bigotry and intolerance of white christian America, whose extremists in politics and the military claim without consequence that we are waging war against Islam.
Whatever the facts, understanding this psychiatrist’s breakdown and killing spree seems a tangential topic for Lieberman’s committee, given how many other issues it has let pass. Were he to use hearings to help the public better understand the costs we bear at home for our government’s multiple wars – such as leading a first responder caregiver to self-immolate because of the pain he treated – Lieberman’s hearings would be a good thing. But his record suggests that Holy Joe is finally getting off his arse only because he intends to “educate” us about something completely different.
I considered Tim McVeigh to be a domestic terrorist; it sounds like Hasan is also a domestic terrorist. But maybe I’m missing something.
Well said.
Would you consider any other mass murderer a terrorist? Or is Hasan a terrorist because he’s Muslim?
I think it is still very much in doubt whether this was a calculated move or one that resulted from mental instability. If the latter, it’s hard to see how it is a terrorist act. McVeigh may have been deranged, but he clearly put much planning and effort into a deliberate act. For Hasan, we just don’t know yet.
I think that people who whack out on ideologies … whether Christian or other….and then destroy people in such horrendous ways are terrorists. But maybe this guy was just going postal for personal or non-political reasons and not the terrorist that McVeigh was. I’ll keep my musings to myself til I figure them out. Sorry.
I don’t know of any cases where “terrorists” targeted people they know and work with. Mass murderers will and do, in addition to random killings. Could we categorize the DC snipers as terrorists? They certainly terrorized the community. But, then so did the Columbine shooters. Where do we make that distinction?
Very good point.
I agree, the facts are not in. Given the no way out desperateness of the shootings and evidence of his tensions piling up to breaking point, that he may have had a psychotic episode would be a valid hypothesis. That he might have been a “sleeper” is possible, but less probable. I fear that Mr. Lieberman has already jumped to his conclusions, or he would not have gone from stupefying lethargy to excited firmness so quickly.
Too bad Katrina isn’t a Muslim name, or RGJoe might have held hearings into the Bush Administration’s response to Katrina, or Rove’s criminal contracting setups after Katrina, or the scandalous non-communication with state governments during Katrina.
I am so glad for your caution….I just wrote a note to NPR about one of their reporters, while refusing to speculate on the Dr, then summarily added “he was driven by demons of his own making.” Puke: If demons = psychosis, etc, they are not of one’s own making. I was appalled. Call it speculation by ignorance.
They’re working hard to get the sleeper tag. The AP story is now claiming Hasan went to the same mosque in Virginia as two 9/11 hijackers. Who will be the first pants-wetter to suggest we should have jailed everyone who went to that mosque?
I agree that “PTSD by proxy” fits the situation the best from what I’ve seen. Six years of counseling people destroyed by the wars had to have him petrified about what deployment would do to him.
Edit: oops, the Imam met the hijackers in San Diego before he went to Virginia. This is so tenuous it’s ridiculous:
Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091109/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting;_ylt=AkSF1ovAvwip2DeiUvH2.RWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTMzcGVhMmE1BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTA5L3VzX2ZvcnRfaG9vZF9zaG9vdGluZwRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzIEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2FsbGVnZWRmdGhvbw–
If this psychiatrist killed his enemies to stop them warring against his co-religionists – I might consider him a terrorist, more likely, a multiple murderer. If he had done it on the battlefield, he would simply be a soldier.
If, however, he understood his action at the time he committed these killings as the only way he had left to stop his patients – and future patients – from hurting, he would very likely be judged not sane.
Likewise, if this were the only way he could stop himself from hurting or experiencing the more intense hurt of being on the battlefield in Afghanistan, attempting to bandage his patients’ psychic wounds, only to send them back out to hurt and die. If he experienced such thoughts, something led him to consider them reasonable or actionable.
I guess I’m saying I hope these killings are investigated from that perspective, too. Perhaps one of the forensic psychiatrists that were unable to help him while he was alive, can help him now, as well as help treat the hundreds of people who have now experienced added trauma owing to the deaths of their loved ones.
I do not mean to be trivial, but Im beginning to think alot of us are having PTSD from what our country has been through since W gave us the Patriot ACt, Dead-or-Alive, lies into Iraq, torture pictures, ongoing torture and lies…Our whole country has been under seige by psychopaths; of course, the soldiers and families are paying the highest, tragic cost.
Well, the link went haywire in edit mode. Here it is in normal mode.
He wouldn’t be seen by a forensic psychiatrist anywhere I’ve worked. The only practicing fp’s I’ve seen were in state hospitals, in the forensic wing. Now there’s a fun place to visit.
Replace the words Muslim for Jews in Holy Joe’s Hearings and then send a copy to anti hate and Jewish groups.
Couldn’t his own defense team get one?
Okay, I was reading too fast. There was a San Diego meeting for the imam, but two hijackers did attend in Virginia also. The mosque was huge, so proving a link will take some work this long after the fact.
Why not? He made a mockery of the 2006 primary.
I’d like to suggest blocking the door of his changing room. Preferably with epoxy in the hinges.
So we suspect he will be as effective as the Chair as he was as VP Candidate….
Yipes. And I imagined they worked primarily for police departments and alphabet soup agency behavioral sciences divisions.
One thing you might comment on is the different level of trauma psychiatrists tend to treat than, say, an MSW. I don’t know how the Army organizes the psychological care of its personnel (schizophrenically, perhaps, since real soldiers don’t have psych problems?). Are there first level counselors who see less severely impacted patients, with psychiatrists seeing only the most severely affected? If so, what was this psychiatrist’s practice like? Did he have his own therapist, as I understand is true for civilian practitioners, in order for them to manage the psychic load of handling severely afflicted patients?
In any event, one thing seems clear. This psychiatrist’s job and stress level have to be considered in any competent investigation of this incident. Surely, Joe Lieberman’s stage is the wrong place for that to take place. It’s more likely to be a cemetery in which such issues are buried, because they might implicate our government’s wars and how the military fights them. If that’s the aim, then Holy Joe would be the first guy Mr. Obama would call.
WHY are the democrats not politically ass-raping this SOB?
Lieberman [I-Iago] is truly one of the most evil men on the planet.
There are certainly those who work in the behavioural science sections of agencies like the FBI. The locals usually consult with one of the fp’s from the state hospital if need be. These guys deal only with the criminally insane, real pyschopaths.
There are two broad categories of mental illness: thought disorders and personality disorders. Schizophrenics and bipolars, e.g, are thought disorders and are the primary users of psychiatric care. Personality disorders are an even broader category that covers things like anti-social behaviour, your basic bar brawler, and a host of other behaviours, many related to substance use/abuse. IMO you can put depression in both categories because it can be either clinical or situational. Clinical is usually treated by a psychiatrist or clinical pyschologist because it’s believed to be caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Situational depression is what you see when somebody’s pet dies, for example. That intense grieving period is a temporary depression. Clinical depression is treated with medication, situational depression with time and support, and occasionally medication, which is always being debated.
Medication helps, but it takes several weeks to really kick in. (I saw it with my mother’s mostly-situational depression.)
Lieberman is far worse than the worst Republicans. At least, they are what they are. Joe pretends to be what he not. I think he is the most indecent person in politics I can think of in my life time. There is not a SINGLE redeeming thing about this guy. I really feel sorry for the people of Conn. They really got duped.
Yeah and they have to adjust the level until they’re seeing not only a decrease in the level of depression but that the concentration of the medication in the blood is within therapeutic boundaries.
This observation makes me wonder whether Joe Lieberman’s newfound willingness to commit oversight came after a call from the White House.
Are the Rahma and Obahma twins looking for a platform from which to create distracting memes, and which they can use to forestall serious Congressional questioning concerning the toll our wars are taking on our soldiers and those who care for them? (Except in the sense Glenn Greenwald uses to mock Villagers, Mr. Lieberman is not Serious or taken seriously.)
Is that toll, are deployments repeated four, five and six times taking a toll that is becoming cannibalistic, both literally within the Army and figuratively on our society as a whole? Does Mr. Lieberman hope to avoid such questions by lumping Dr. Nidal Malik Hasan’s actions in with those of other lone gunmen who had three names?
Yes, at least for the military. See this link Siun just gave us in her post.
Someone please take this man`s committee chairmanship away.
Lieberman’s continued acceptance by the Democratic caucus manifests perfectly the compromised cluelessness of the Senate Democratic leadership. Lieberman is worse than a waste of space – he is a totally self-absorbed, unprincipled, obstructionist, spotlight-hogging, opportunistic, traitorous, time-wasting distraction.
How he can get any exposure on our national “airwaves” without moderators, reporters, and news anchors breaking out in loud, uncontrolled, mocking laughter speaks volumes about the values of our media.
Did I leave anything out?
You’re right, of course. However, there was a time when Rove was so very visible and Cheney was not. I guess I was remembering those older days.
Heh! ;~)
It’s hard for me to believe that he was not a victim of PTSD. Yes, even Muslims can have PTSD.
Just narcissism.
There are Muslims who are moderates and there are extremists. Lieberman is pushing them toward extremism.
However the Israeli lobby also has extremists and moderates in it, and ethnic criticism of Lieberman can make others in it worse.
The solution I think is to strip Lieberman of all his committee posts and give them to Senator Specter, that way Jews aren’t going to be pressured toward extremism, the way Lieberman is pressuring Muslims to do.
I also have comments on taking Fort Hood seriously without pushing Muslims to be outsiders they way they are in Europe,
http://www.phillyimc.org/en/one-mass-killing-doesn%E2%80%99t-have-mean-downward-slide-between-local-muslims-non-muslims
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/13807
The attention Joe is focussing on himself must be orgasmic.
I’ll vote for the guy that killed 12 of his fellow soldiers.
Lies about a war , promotes that unnecessary war and then wonders why someone like Hasan flips the fuck out after having counseled returning soldiers from that war based on a “pack of lies” without limbs, sanity, integrity etc. Christ All Mighty Liarmans state of denial is absolutely infuriating
lan1tx, I vote for neither Lieberman or Nidal Hasan. I don’ think the danger of either one should be underestimated.
Both Lieberman and Nidal Hasan are good at spreading polarization,
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20185
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