
Stanley McChrystal’s career is characterized by torture, murder, secret prison camps and cover-ups. It should come as no surprise, then, that this week’s exposé by Scott Horton on the Guantanamo "suicides" in 2006 implicates McChrystal and another secret prison camp:
One of the most intriguing aspects of this case concerns the use of Camp No. Under George W. Bush, the CIA created an archipelago of secret detention centers that spanned the globe, and authorities at these sites deployed an array of Justice Department sanctioned torture techniques—including waterboarding, which often entails inserting cloth into the subject’s mouth—on prisoners they deemed to be involved in terrorism. The presence of a black site at Guantánamo has long been a subject of speculation among lawyers and human-rights activists, and the experience of Sergeant Hickman and other Guantánamo guards compels us to ask whether the three prisoners who died on June 9 were being interrogated by the CIA, and whether their deaths resulted from the grueling techniques the Justice Department had approved for the agency’s use—or from other tortures lacking that sanction.
Complicating these questions is the fact that Camp No might have been controlled by another authority, the Joint Special Operations Command, which Bush’s defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, had hoped to transform into a Pentagon version of the CIA. Under Rumsfeld’s direction, JSOC began to take on many tasks traditionally handled by the CIA, including the housing and interrogation of prisoners at black sites around the world. The Pentagon recently acknowledged the existence of one such JSOC black site, located at Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan, and other suspected sites, such as Camp Nama in Baghdad, have been carefully documented by human-rights researchers.
In a Senate Armed Services Committee report on torture released last year, the sections about Guantánamo were significantly redacted. The position and circumstances of these deletions point to a significant JSOC interrogation program at the base. (It should be noted that Obama’s order last year to close other secret detention camps was narrowly worded to apply only to the CIA.)
To review, here’s a snippet from the Andrew Sullivan piece linked above on McChrystal’s history:
That last sentence suggests that McChrystal disagrees with the customary "respect for human life" demanded of the US military. McChrystal’s past is mysterious but there is little doubt that he was deeply involved in one of the worst torture outfits in Iraq, Camp "Nama", an acronym for "Nasty Ass Military Area". … Two prisoners were tortured to death in this place. It was extremely closely monitored, with records of all sorts of torture and abuse, and yet there are also extensive stories of abuse that went well outside even the torture techniques approved by Cheney and Rumsfeld. Remember also that Iraq was, even by the standards of the Bush administration, supposed to be under the Geneva Conventions. The camp’s record has been shrouded in secrecy from the beginning.
The Guantanamo "suicides" took place on the night of June 9, 2006. If Camp No was a JSOC operation, who was in charge of JSOC at that time? Stanley McChrystal. According to this biography of McChrystal published by the Council on Foreign Relations, McChrystal assumed command of JSOC in February, 2006, only four months prior to the "suicides". (h/t kgb999 for pointing out the timing of McChrystal’s involvement)
How many torture deaths and cover-ups does it take to get a General fired?



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McChrystal and every other officer that either participated in or knowingly turned a blind eye to torture should face a court martial and if convicted dishonorably discharged at the very least. These people have disgraced themselves and the country they serve. There should be no safe haven in our military for such abominable conduct.
I want prison sentences, too. For ordering torture, carrying it out and especially for covering it up and hiding the prison camps from the ICRC and other human rights groups. Note that today Obama is going public with his decision to imprison indefinitely without charges. I just finished reading an advance copy of Barry Eisler’s “Inside Out” and in his gripping story about the torture videotapes he makes the point that indefinite detention without charges follows naturally when innocent prisoners have been tortured. It seems that innocent people tend to carry grudges after they have been tortured. Who could have predicted?
Agreed, I was just trying to allow for due process. But as I re-read my comment I was indeed only talking about those who did and those who knew, so in that case, put ‘em in irons! ; )
I am hopeful that Obama may yet find his inner populist with respect to HCR and bank regulation, but I doubt he has it in him to move in a positive way from his current approach to the War On Terra. Like Chile, it may be a long time yet before there is sufficient political change for there to be real investigations or real prosecutions. Too many powerful people in the military and in government were involved. In the long run though, I think the truth will out, and those still living will be prosecuted accordingly. I just hope I live long enough to see it.
From your lips…
This is what court martials are for.
And the International Criminal Court if the US doesn’t take action.
Somebody might get around to filing a complaint at the ICC in regards to Mc Chrystal. This complaint in regards to “extraordinary rendition” was filed on Jan 19th.
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“INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANTS REQUESTED
“Professor Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign, U.S.A. has filed a Complaint with the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court (I.C.C.) in The Hague against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and Alberto Gonzales (the “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” perpetrated upon about 100 human beings. This term is really their euphemism for the enforced disappearance of persons and their consequent torture. This criminal policy and practice by the Accused constitute Crimes against Humanity in violation of the Rome Statute establishing the I.C.C. ”
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/49394
I would think arguing that after losing 2 wars for 8 years would be reason enough to fire him insanity or doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result is reason enough to fire anyone.
I guess our logic is just different somehow. If you really want to puke, check out JokeLine’s adoration for him in the write-up for being a runner up “Person of the Year”. I’m not going to grace that drivel with a link, but you can find it with teh goggle.
Recommended. Thanks Jim
The question is, how many torture deaths and cover-ups does it take for a general to be promoted?
I suppose you’re right. He has been moving along quickly with ever-increasing rank.
I’m gonna raise what will probably strike many of you as an ugly question:
At what point does Obama and Holder’s refusal to pursue this case in particular and torture in general rise, or sink, to the level of complicity? (In both the general and the legal senses.)
Jim you might want to take a look at this old posting on “Guides” We You They
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PS: Rec’d.
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Jim all I have to say is
TORTURE /MURDER / TREASON
Thanks for listening and keep up the good work.
2006? Get serious. And get a life. Gitmo, then and now, is a Caribbean resort vacation with a diet, medical care and standard of living that these under-educated and brainwashed terrorists have never experienced nor deserve.
My heart does not bleed for the waterboarded.
Ah. someone unclear on the concept of treating others as he would be treated.
Resort vacation and waterboarding! Just the thing for all doG fearing Americans for their vacations.
And yet, he doesn’t recognize the disconnect in his comment between his fourth and fifth sentences.
And what, precisely, does the civilized world’s self-defense against terrorism have to do with the Golden Rule?
Civilized world? Torturing “under-educated and brainwashed” individuals while at their “Caribbean resort vacation with a diet, medical care, and standard of living” sure seems to be a bit of a disconnect.
How about treating living, breathing entities, as the human beings they are?
I won’t argue with “living, breathing entities.” But human beings they are not. These are monsters with no semblance of the (naive) humanity you show. Perhaps we should communicate again – but only after your father’s airplane is blown out of the sky, or your daughter’s school bus is hit by an RPG or a maniac with a C4 vest.
You called them “under-educated and brainwashed” in your initial comment. Doesn’t that statement directly imply they are human and redeemable?
And thanks for thinking of my (late) father and (non-existent) daughter.
What ever happened to land of the free and home of the brave? Why are you so afraid?
First step to murder is dehumanization. Fact.
Go, murderers!
You’ll fit right in. Someone will be sure to put an axe handle in your trembling hand and point out someone to use it on. And…. Will you?
Stanley Milgram lives.
Actually, this is incorrect. You have no idea who they are, because:
they wil never, ever be adjudicated. Some, many perhaps, will be detained until they die, because the US could not or would not make cases against them.
The fear-mongering is all too common, but if I had to choose between shredding the Constitution and being afraid of a small cadre intent on stirring the kind of fright you intone, I will choose the latter.
I am very afraid for the land of the free and home of the brave. Politically correct liberals like yourself don’t seem to acknowledge or understand the existence of an unrepentant and irredeemable evil in this world. It only understands force. Do you recall Adolph Hitler? Idi Amin? Saddam Hussein? How many more monsters must I name? We must fight them with every weapon at our disposal, including torture, or we will surely be defeated and die. You should fall to your knees every day and give thanks to God (Yes, there is one) that people like Gen. Stanley McCrystal are willing to man the ramparts and die defending your foolish and suicidal ass.
Be sure to watch out for those black helicopters now, ya heah?
No sh*t.
From Thursday.
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“Washington, DC: In a dramatic protest, 42 activists with Witness Against Torture were arrested this afternoon at the U.S. Capitol. Most of the arrestees had been fasting since January 11th.
Those arrested on the Capitol steps held banners reading “Broken Promises, Broken Laws, Broken Lives.” Inside the Capitol, 14 activists performed a “memorial service” for the three men whose deaths at Guantanamo in 2006 were initially reported as suicides and callously described as “acts of asymmetrical warfare” by military officials. New reports provide strong evidence that the men may have been tortured to death at a CIA secret prison in Guantanamo.”
http://www.witnesstorture.org/pr-1-2-2010
Only three? I’d call that a modest beginning. May I suggest these idiotic protesters instead voyage to Pakistan and hug a terrorist or two? Surely that will convince them to lay down their arms and agree to immigrate to America and become accountants and machinists and aspire to a split-level in suburbia.
Dang. You’re making me laugh so hard I can’t type.
Perhaps you’ll stop laughing when some jihadist blows up you local neighborhood mall.
So, you joined this community today just to tell me that I should be concerned about some imaginary risk that among other things required me to take off my shoes and belt each time I went through airport security this week?
I’m not afraid of ghosts….but it seem like you are.
Imaginary risks? Please visit the World Trade Center memorial site.
Yeah, too bad Bush was too busy clearing brush to pay attention when the CIA briefed him that bin Laden was determined to attack in the US. Or pay attention to folks training to fly but not land jets.
He wasn’t clearing brush. He was sitting on the veranda, sipping lemonade, and pondering the 18 holes scheduled for the afternoon.
Now.Watch.This.Drive.
Ah, I forgot that. Just thinking he was harvesting some more brush which seemed to be his usal actions in TX
I don’t get all these Bush and brush references. Your hero B. Hussein Obama is getting famous for all his recreational time on the links so what’s the real difference? And as for jihadists learning to fly, but not land, who’s administration was asleep at the wheel when the known Yemeni radical jihadist Detroit panty bomber paid $3,000 cash with no luggage? I’m no defender of George Bush. He did rise to 9-11 and he did keep us safe. But he screwed up just about everything else, including the economy. I have less faith in Obama and Holder and Napitalano to keep us safe or solvent. Those folks are in the process of spending us all into national bankruptcy while hugging terrorists with their lawyered-up civilian trials.
Look, I know a conservative like me and a bunch of liberals like you guys who are ganging up on me will never come to a meeting of the minds. I guess that’s why I love America. We can all agree to disagree. I would only ask you all to honestly consider how you would feel about all this if your daughter’s school bus WAS blown up by some crazed terrorist. It has happened in Israel and it is going to happen somewhere, someday in this country that we all love. When it does many innocent sons and daughters will be dead. I pray they aren’t yours, or mine. In the meantime I will condone any action by my government to discover and prevent it.
Most people by air tickets without having luggage.
Many people travel without luggage. I did over 1,000,000 miles on American Airlines with no luggage. I have a for-life gold card and a divorce as my reward.
Actually I heard he was sitting in a closet looking at Scott Brown’s Cosmo spread and touching himself. So naughty!
Ya know, I grew up in the era where we played “duck and cover” in school. I served in the USAF at SAC bases where we knew the missiles were pointed at us and that some folks had itchy trigger fingers on both sides and I never had to deal with folks as afraid of things (like real enemies) as you show here today.
Absolutely amazing.
If it is wearing a cloak of radical muslim jihad, yep, you betcha’. But I’ll nly use the axe handle after I run out of 9mm ammo. And c’mon, Stanley Milgram? Get real. Nobody is giving me orders that I mindlessly follow. We’re talking war and survival here. The jihadists aren’t debating with us. They’re reloading.
Your fear is that the great might of our “American values” might fail over some crazy ass martyrs from across the ocean?
I would hope that it takes takes more than that to topple 200 years of the grand experiment that is American history.
One of those crazy-ass (but fortunately incompetent) martyrs almost blew up an airplane over Detroit. The World Trade Center (RIP) was in New York. Ft. Hood is in Texas. And your head is shoved somewhere deep where the Sun don’t shine.
Shoved where?
I probably share most of your concerns about what happened almost 10 year ago.
But why should I have to take off my shoes every time I want to board a US domestic flight?
Don’t feed the trolls.
Go back to nibbling your catnip Catlady. You’re not contributing anything here.
Actually, I’m amused that some newbie would suggest that a regular commenter is not contributing anything to this conversation.
And FWIW, Jim, sorry that your great diary has turned out to be the dumping ground for the comments that followed.
Lord, FOX news and hate radio have done a good job turning out identical bedwetters and armchair warriors to beg for a return to the 15th century, based on imaginary fears of a pathetically weak threat. Countries that provoke terrorism, get it, and countries that don’t, don’t. Our reactions to 9/11, especially torture, have greatly exacerbated the threat, and lost us the one thing that made us great… that we weren’t barbaric psychopaths who get off on sadism. We won WWII without resorting to torture, and indeed had an easier time with capturing soldiers because in those days, everyone knew that the US didn’t torture its prisoners. End of story, you would think.
11 th century. You know, time of the Crusades.
You are not acquainted with WWII’s Operation Fortitude it seems. Nor much else of our nation’s admittedly blemished, but epic history as the greatest, most generous and compassionate nation in the history of man. Torture, or “enhanced interrogation” for the faint of heart, has played a role in every armed conflict in human history. This one is no different. Deal with it. I now leave you all to your collective handwringing over the plight of those who would happily murder us. Ignorance truly must be bliss.
Why fire Chrystal. Isn’t he potentially an accessory to Murder and Torture?
Life in prison or execution are some of the penalties that apply.
A court martial? Much quicker than a civilian trial.
Terrific post, Jim! You have a real knack for being succinct, a mostly under-valued trait these days.
I keep trying to imagine what my father would say, if he were still alive. He was pretty conservative (of course, he was in the military), but I remember things he would say about our justice system that are so diametrically opposed to this kind of behavior. It does not belong in the military that I knew growing up.
Good point, Karen. I think McChrystal should have been fired for insubordination, ala MacArthur, for his stepping on Obama’s prerogatives about the Afghan surge. The torture thing is just icing on a very repulsive cake.
He wasn’t insubordinate.
The military is left in the hands of civilians for a reason. Generals, like any other constituent, have a conflict of interest in promoting more of the same. Enlist, already, then pop off.
I got drafted, already.
You’re still wrong.
He wasn’t insubordinate. That may be an impression you have, but you would have a heck of a time producing a single fact to support it.
The uniformed military is out of place supporting policies that are up to the Commander in Chief to provide. McChrystal was already tainted by his association with Bush and his horrendous policies, and as such should have started out on probation against such excesses. I would hasten to add that he is also WRONG, about pretty much everything. In some circles, that’s disqualifying.
Everything after the first sentence is fine with me.
However, I would have you understand that he’s not only allowed to have an opinion, he was ordered to put it in writing and to submit it.
He’s the guy in charge of designing and executing the campaign, why in the name of sanity should he do that without partaking in the design of it while it’s being designed?
The policy under discussion wasn’t whether or not to fight, it was how to shape the fighting. You don’t think the guy gets to be part of the discussion?
Well, the record of failure and disaster ought to play a role. Which continues.
without failure and disaster to guide us, how could we ever have gotten through this last ten years?
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Less pleasantly, to be sure.
his experience running “on the dark side” doubtless relates to why Obama promoted him!
As ART45 already noted at #10.
just watch what the President does, not what he says.
folks knew to do that under Bush, it should not need relearning now.
“We can all agree to disagree.”
I won’t…fucking conservatives; I can smell the intellectual torpor from here!
I got 3 words for you:
President’s Daily Brief:::
“…look at the size of that ‘dilla!”
Heh. Looks like all the fun broke loose right when I shut my computer down for travel. Thanks to those who took on our new interloper. I think he’s kinda cute. If we buy enough diapers, maybe we can keep him.
Thanks for all the substantive comments, too. McChrystal, like the rest of the neocons, is well past his “use by” date and should only be in the news for facing charges. And for those who haven’t checked Dub’s link at 13, it’s a good one.