More than sixty nations will gather in London tomorrow for an important series of talks on the future of Afghanistan. General Stanley McChrystal, who heads US forces in Afghanistan, sat for an extended interview with the Financial Times in advance of the conference. His comments, when taken in total, amount to an admission that US strategy in Afghanistan has failed and yet he insists we must re-commit to this same failed strategy.
In a repeat of the Iraq surge strategy, President Obama’s extended review of Afghanistan strategy settled on the long-standing US reliance on counterinsurgency to reduce violence to a level that political reconciliation and government development take place. The recently leaked cables that Ambassador Eikenberry sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during the strategy review show that he feels that President Karzai is not capable of leading a legitimate government and that little to no attention has been given to the near impossibility of achieving a Western-style central government in a region where such a thing has never existed.
In his interview with the Financial Times, McChrystal provided more evidence that US strategy in Afghanistan is failing. After an extended exchange with the interviewer to establish that one of the key features of the US strategy is to provide security for the government to take over, McChrystal then goes on to admit that the security situation is getting worse rather than better:
FT: I wonder if there is any specific thing that you would like to see come out (of London) that will be useful for your effort?
Gen McChrystal: There are some specific things that I hope that consensus is reached on. President Karzai is likely to announce his intent to implement a re-integration policy and then move forward to implementation, and I’m hopeful and very optimistic that the international community will completely back that. I believe that we will see proposed Afghan Afghan National Security Force target figures for 2011 for the next two years of growth. I’m hopeful that the international community will fall in behind those. There are some other development areas as well. But I think the over-arching thing is that after eight years of war, it’s clear that domestically many political leaders are having to answer questions, this has gone on a long time and it’s not better than it was in 2004, so why are we maintaining it, will it get better? In many ways it is better than 2004, but in security it is not. So what I will hope that we come out of there with is an understanding of what we have done in the last months, and how we have shaped the situation and postured ourselves to do in the next year that I believe will significantly improve the situation, and to give them a reason to have confidence that the path that our leadership has put us on is correct.
Emphasis added.
To repeat, the primary plan is to increase security and then support the development of a government that can take over the country as we leave. The problem is that we are going backwards on security and are essentially starting over, more than eight years into the effort.
Besides the fact that President Karzai is seen as illegitimate by much of the international community due to fraud surrounding the recent election and extensive corruption throughout his government, an additional problem is that he is opposed to the very actions McChrystal employs in his attempts to impose security. Here is McClatchy quoting a Karzai statement to Al Jazeera:
"We’re not going to ask for more cash. We’re going to ask the international community to end nighttime raids on Afghan homes, to stop arresting Afghans, to reduce and eliminate civilian casualties. We’re going to ask them not to have Afghan prisoners taken," Karzai told Al Jazeera television early in the month.
McChrystal’s counterinsurgency strategy relies on nighttime raids and arrests as a central feature for removing "dangerous" elements from the population, as noted even in the New York Times editorial endorsing him to head the US effort in Afghanistan:
Reducing that toll will require tighter and more strictly enforced rules of engagement. That applies not just to airstrikes but to the search and detention operations that General McChrystal wants to expand this year with the help of 21,000 additional troops that President Obama ordered sent to Afghanistan. Ground operations are less likely to go astray than airstrikes. But as happened far too many times in Iraq, they can sweep up innocent civilians and turn local people against the American presence.
Who could have predicted that operations known to "turn local people against the American presence" would do just that?
Returning to the Financial Times interview, McChrystal provides more evidence of just how muddled our efforts have become:
FT: The implication seems to be that although it’s not your job to negotiate with insurgents, or determine the shape of a future government, your personal feeling is that it may be the case that one day members of the Taliban are in Kabul, and there’s some sort of peaceful settlement, and that’s acceptable.
Gen McChrystal: As a soldier, my personal feeling is that there’s been enough fighting, and that what we need to do – all of us – is to do the fighting necessary to shape conditions where people can get on with their lives, and everybody can make a decision where fighting’s not the direction that it needs to go in. You just really don’t make progress, politically, during fighting. What I think we do is try to shape conditions which allow people to come to a truly equitable solution to how the Afghan people are governed.
What a mess. Although "there’s been enough fighting", we need to fight more. Although we need to shape the political landscape for a government to exist, the one that exists is illegitimate and during fighting, "you just don’t make progress, politically". Our stated strategy for bringing stability is alienating the population and the President. Our Ambassador sees the President as incapable of governing. Other than that, things are great.



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Agree totally with this. A chaotic, non-sensical, deadly, wasteful mess.
Will Obama, tonight, tell us that things are moving forward–that progress is being made in Afghanistan?
He absolutely will. And if you read the full transcript of McChrystal’s interview, you’ll see he believes that, somehow, magically, everything will work out this time.
Yikes!
The General is just another complete failure that got promoted.
We love our Military, so can’t see or believe how rediculous it is, and how these boobs of Generals become Generals.
As of late failure seems to be what is becoming in the Military, because to prolongs things and make more work and longer jobs than success.
With the Citizens United decision, count on even more sponsored messages calling for endless war. It’s good for business, you know.
I know and almways have known. You know Mommy Bush inherited Her Daddies ARMS business, and is richer than Daddy Bush.
Junior, I mean GW made Mommy richer with His wars.
Money begets money, and now money begets a Country.
What would one rather own a tooth paste factory, or a Gun manufacturing plant?
Not much in the MSM about Iraq or Afghanistan lately. Haiti, SOTU, and now Wiregate in Landrieu’s office.
They have to make sure tha the American people are kept in the dark about what their military is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Iran
Well we’re keeping the pressure up anyway.
Spencer Ackerman is reporting this morning that McChrystal’s Chief Detentions Officer is now claiming that all detainees under his command in Afghanistan are allowed access by the ICRC. If true, that is a tremendous breakthrough. However, given McChrystal’s long history of hiding JSOC prison camps from the ICRC, I find it very hard to trust this pronouncement. Note especially the attempted diversion to discussion about temporary detention in the field when the strongest accusation of a black site is at Bagram itself.
Without Amy Goodman and the progressive blogs who knows where we would be. Drowning in Iraqi blood without even knowing it.
Typical of Rahmbama’s admin: stay the Republican course. It didn’t work then, it doesn’t work now, but why change now?
I have absolutely no knowledge of military strategy; have never been in the military; but often when these wars are initiated, I feel like I have a better “take” on what’s going to “come down” than these military types do. Does it have to do with not “seeing the forest for the trees”? Or, more likely, it’s all just politics as usual.
The Oligarchs make tons of money from war and don’t give a shite about loss of life (doesn’t have anything to do with them). Plus then there’s all that other cash to made from the drug trade. So this is not news to me; same old, different day. Someone’s getting rich, but it’s not any of us here at FDL.
Funny you should put it that way. I just finished reading an advance copy of Barry Eisler’s “Inside Out”. It makes precisely that point in dealing with why we continue our wars.
The only way to make it end is for Congress to grow a spine and cut off funding, the way it did in 1975. Given that the war barons are heavily bankrolling the current members of Congress, presently that is not a possibility.
A heavy contingent of committed anti-war candidates in 2010 could make a difference.
War is (still) a Racket, and there’s no Smedley Butler in sight. I did hear Anthony Zinni asked on C-SPAN if he had ever considered politics, and his first words revealed he would have to accept a 90% pay cut to run for congress.
Republicans AND Democrats are locked into war and private debt. There’s close to a zero percent chance of Change when choosing between the two major parties.
This virtual magical thinking we are using to communicate with right now can change everything next November 2nd.
FLUSH the DC TOILET in 2010 by voting AGAINST every single congressional incumbent on your ballot. Whenever possible, select replacements who are neither Republican nor Democrat.
Remind Wall Street why it’s afraid of democracy.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
War is big money. Wall St loves war. Any war will do.
US bankers loaned the Nazi’s money throughout WW2.
Grandpoppy Bush knew all about it. Yes, bankers cream their pants for war.
The first CIA director, Alan Dulles, was a banker.
Look at our history. Always pointing to some threatening enemy for military build up.
Enemies to fear no matter how bizarre.
Always killing people somewhere, but a starting point is Dulles, then follow the money.
It’s not only bankers, it’s also the arms and munitions manufacturers, the energy suppliers, the construction firms. Death is good for their bottom line.
Yes. I was thinking of Obama. Always acting for Wall St and only Wall St.
A guarantee our wars will continue to grow.
The good general’s reasoning is easy enough to see.
Clearly, the only reason that the strategy isn’t working is the “sanctuaries”–you know, like Cambodia, but this time in Yemen and Somalia. All we have to do to insure victory is more of the same over a wider area.
How do I know that this is what we have to do? I know because, if it weren’t what we need to do, then everything we have done for the last decade would be a waste and a mistake. And we do not make those kind of mistakes.
Don’t forget the sanctuaries just over the border in Pakistan, too.
Oh. Are we still recognizing the border? I thought they were already one conflict. Yemen! Yemen is the key to victory! And maybe Somalia! Or some other place that has Muslims but not oil.
I was hoping to go to my grandson’s school concert tonight, and not have to listen to the SOTU speech.
But, I won’t be going, and…
(I still don’t want to listen to him! It’s just like listening to Bush for me, now, just with better syntax.)
I’ll read the transcript tomorrow.
Like you, I just can’t watch Obama tonight. I’ll find what he had to say later.
Is Afghanistan one of the more than 60 countries invited to discuss the future of Afghanistan?
Shit, if Karzai shows up the insurgency will be settin’ up shop in the Prez Palace mos ricki tick.
Surprisingly, they are. The NYTimes has a preview of the plan Karzai will propose.
Thanks. Had to ask.
McChrystal sounds like he wants VN Pacification redux. How well did that work out, General?
Yes, Vietnam again. Counterinsurgency, assassination, torture. It’s all there. Including the lies to the American people.
Great article, Jim. You are really doing great work on the Afghanistan issue.
Re breaking into people’s homes in the dead of night, the only reason to do that — and it’s discussed ad infinitum in the writings on interrogation and torture — is because it is the time to find the person/suspect most disoriented and to, with brutality, hooding, goggles, etc, maintain the “shock of capture” as long as they can.
Thanks, Jeff. And yes, on the maintenance of disorientation–that’s a very good point.
I’m with Iremember on this; all military adventures, and military people, can never be wrong in the eyes of our media. We are long past the days when objective reality even matters. The people will be told that the war with Eastasia is progressing well, never mind the facts. Endless war, and victory just around the corner, is our new reality. If we ever accidentally “won” one of these things, we’d only be warned of the dire necessity of starting another.
Basically, the military is just like Charlie Brown’s teacher, spouting unintelligibles, which we all must obey without understanding.
Every war seems endless, for those caught up in it. The reality is, every war eventually ends. The Soviet Union’s “endless” misadventure in Afghanistan had an end, culminating in the collapse of a Superpower.
At some point in time the war barons will have depleted the national treasury to such a severe extent that the nation will …
… be resoundingly defeated. Sheesh, I’m glad I ain’t young.
Also be glad you don’t live in one of our victim countries.
Oh, I don’t know… Here in Oregon we just passed taxes on the rich and corporations. I may need a bomb shelter.
Bashing down the doors of innocent families, herding them into one room, and blowing them away on the spot isn’t a winning strategy, just one our military seems to prefer these days.
I’m confident Obama will double down. He can use the 250 billion he saves from his domestic spending freeze and give it to McChrystal Meth. Will further his goal of drowning the federal government while boosting defense spending.
Bait and switch Obama. Underneath all the blabbering and pontificating, he’s a neocon at heart.
Actually, more of those raids end in some of the family members being taken off to a detention facility and the family is at a loss to know where they are or what the charges are. McChrystal’s history is full of such detentions, including detention of innocents. Those detained have been known to be held away from ICRC access and torture has been widespread in facilities under McChrystal’s command.
Yes, very true.
But the scenario I described seems to be happening more often and it’s stuck in my head.
Very disturbing.
I’m also pissed as hell that these massacres are NEVER reported in the MSM.
Everyone is labeled an extremist and that;s the end of it.
They are reported as a side note, and exactly 30 die, and they are always al Queda or Insurgents.
From Jim White’s link @32
More to follow.
…The core of that is a vast jobs program…
hey – when the Afghans toss Karzai out, can he come work for us? We could use one of those.
Seems to be a lot of need for jobs programs going around. Funny how all the PTB think that if you just throw enuf money at PTB, jobs will magically result.
Karzai works for us already, the CIA specifically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Karzai
They already tried this. It was recently in the Stars and Stripes about how it is failing. It isn’t working. Mainly, because surprisingly, they don’t actually get them jobs or money to live. After a while, they say “to hell with this, my kids got to eat” and go back to fighting for the Taliban because those guys actually pay. Where the money goes that is supposed to support them so they don’t fight, nobody knows. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
More from Jim White’s link @32
So what do McChrystal, Hillary, O et al think of this, not to mention the Saudi PTB. Doesn’t sound highly likely to happen to me. It is certainly sensible, since the Taliban (aka Pashtun) feel less-than-enfranchised politically, but oh-so-many-problems in execution (both meanings intended).
Didn’t the Pentagon report there were around a 100 remaining Al Q in Afghanistan just before Obama delared a surge?
If so, you would think even if we are a really terrible shot that we would have killed or captured half of that remaining 100… and another dozen or more have blown themselves up since then.
Oh dearie me, you are being soooo reality based. For shame.
Didn’t the Pentagon report there were around a 100 remaining Al Q in Afghanistan just before Obama declared a surge?
That’s the way I recall it.
Never fear – we seem to be sending about 300 soldiers for each of them, and we’re gonna catch those 100 AQ members who evidently can’t find their way to Pakistan.
The new strategy is not to rely on Karzai, it is to go around him and deal directly with the ministers, and leaders in the countryside. Eikenberry is on board with this strategy.
They have recognized that without popular support and without an existing supportive afghan military there is no hope of Karzai ever governing the area.
He’ll end up hanging from a pole in the middle of Kabul when we finally do leave, just like last we tried to install a puppet.
I don’t agree with fact that we are there at all though.
The strategy is DO ANYTHING, SPEND WHATEVER, THE SKYS THE LIMIT.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU STAY PUT.
that maybe true, but hyperbole doesn’t help. We need a special thread where we progressives can go and participate in self flagellation sometimes.
I abhor war, but there is a change in strategy that has to be recognized.
Is there anyone commenting that does NOT believe that the pre-emptive wars were started [and in the case of Obushma maintained (100k+ in Iraq--still!) and escalated (100k+ in Afghanistan)] in the interests of subsidizing the private contractor cartel?
It is an empirical fact that these wars spawn new terrorists and therefore make our country and the rest of the world significantly more vulnerable to attack (the CIA even admits this) AND destroy the infrastructure of our potential trading partners. So, if you don’t believe these wars function as a subsidy to private tyrannies (funneling the people’s wealth upward to narrow sectors at the top), why are these wars being waged?
Shorter Mc Chrystal: It’s time for me to fuck up so I can move up again.
Indeed, but he somehow needs Petraeus to
fuckmove up as well, so that he will have room. That could take a while, as Petraeus’ next job is likely to be through an election.