Late last night, bmaz alerted us to a very disturbing report by Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman of Newsweek regarding the pending Justice (sic) Department OPR review of the crafting of the torture memos:
While the probe is sharply critical of the legal reasoning used to justify waterboarding and other “enhanced” interrogation techniques, NEWSWEEK has learned that a senior Justice official who did the final review of the report softened an earlier OPR finding. Previously, the report concluded that two key authors—Jay Bybee, now a federal appellate court judge, and John Yoo, now a law professor—violated their professional obligations as lawyers when they crafted a crucial 2002 memo approving the use of harsh tactics, say two Justice sources who asked for anonymity discussing an internal matter. But the reviewer, career veteran David Margolis, downgraded that assessment to say they showed “poor judgment,” say the sources. (Under department rules, poor judgment does not constitute professional misconduct.) The shift is significant: the original finding would have triggered a referral to state bar associations for potential disciplinary action—which, in Bybee’s case, could have led to an impeachment inquiry.
My response after reading this passage from Isikoff and Klaidman was very similar to that of Eureka Springs, who compared it to "an old sucker-punch from Cheney". After all, Isikoff himself had earlier reported that the OPR report would refer Yoo, Bybee and Bradbury to their state bar associations for disbarment. This was viewed by many as merely the first step of bringing the criminal actions of crafting and implementing a systematic program of torture into the legal system so that those responsible would be held accountable.
So how is it that professional misconduct has been downgraded to poor judgment? Jeff Kaye points us to troubling aspects of previous actions by the DOJ attorney who downgraded the conclusion, but the wider question becomes whether the entire government is standing in the way of accountability for the crime of torture. In viewing the situation, where we now have a President who vows to "look forward, not backwards" and an Attorney General who takes those words to heart, it is hard to escape the conclusion that prosecution will never occur.
That stance of the government standing directly in the way of prosecution for torture is just one aspect of the overall situation of immunity for those at the highest levels of government and large corporations. The financial sector nearly brought the entire world economy to ruins in late 2008, and yet its highest executives retained their outlandish bonuses while their firms were bailed out with taxpayer money. This week Obama followed that situation by stating that he doesn’t want to "punish the banks" despite reports as long ago as 2004 that there was an "epidemic of mortgage fraud".
Yesterday also brought the UK inquiry into the start of the Iraq war into the news, and Glenn Greenwald did an excellent job of reviewing the terrible toll of this patently illegal act spearheaded by the US that will never see a single person held accountable in the legal system.
The UN published a report this week on the use of secret prisons at the same time as the US head of detentions in Afghanistan made a statement that seemed to leave open the question of whether the US still maintains secret prisons there.
In a book to be released next June, former covert CIA operative and author Barry Eisler incorporates many of these actual events into a fictional account of a variation on the destruction of the CIA videotapes of interrogation. Near the end of Inside Out, protagonist Ben Treven begins to understand the significance of a statement from an erstwhile opponent: How can there be a conspiracy when everyone is complicit?
In developing this theme of everyone being complicit, Eisler hits on a very convincing description of how it occurs. Branding our situation as being dominated by oligarchs, he points out that rather than being hidden, it is in plain sight. Also, "there aren’t any secret handshakes". Rather, "It’s just a collection of people in business, politics, the military, and the media who recognize their interests are better served by cooperation than they would be by competition."
Isn’t that a believable explanation of how Margolis downgraded the charge in the OPR report? I doubt he had explicit instructions from Holder or Obama to do so, but the steady drum-beat in the press of Obama looking forward and Holder not criminalizing policy differences, coupled with the report having multiple iterations of going back and forth between DOJ and those whose actions were reviewed, could leave Margolis with only one conclusion as to what he was expected to do. After all, he’s been in DOJ over 40 years and he knows what is in the interests of DOJ and those above it.
Eisler ends the book by dangling the possibility that a network of extremely capable undercover operatives might come together to lead a push for restoration of justice. If such a group exists in the real world, I’d have say that right now their cover is exremely effective and that their plans have not yet been implemented.
I thank Barry Eisler for a pre-publication copy of Inside Out and hope that he and the publisher will forgive me pushing the limits of the notice not to quote the uncorrected proof for publication.



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In his meeting yesterday, Obama again made the comment (regarding another issue entirely) that he “didn’t want to re-litigate the past”. Verbatim. I immediately thought–how does one “re-litigate” something if it was never litigated in the first place?
Recommended.
Exactly. This will never be litigated as long as Obama and Holder are still in the picture. The truly sad point, though, is that anyone taking their place is likely to be just as tainted.
Don’t forget Pat Leahy, Chairman of he Senate Judicial Committee.
(Leahy) told us that his truth commission had failed to get the broad support it needed in Congress, and since he couldn’t get one Republican to come behind the plan, “it’s not going to happen.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/truth-commission-doa/
This is my Senator, and he just voted to re-confirm Bernanke.
Yes, Leahy could have done much to put things right, but has chosen not to do so.
It is a conspiracy.
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conspiracy of silence
a general agreement to keep silent about a subject for the purpose of secrecy
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=16448&dict=CALD&topic=plotting-and-trapping
And that will be the VERY reason WHY they will be installed.
As a long-time progressive going back to Bobby Kennedy and one who drank the Obama Kool-Aide, I am beginning to think that my prejudiced friends who whispered “not in my lifetime” in 2008 were correct-
he’s not that smart, just slick
and very corrupt….the Rezko transaction was the true story…Obama assembled the sleaziest group of insiders in my considerable lifetime–Rahm/Timmy/Larry—all ponzi schemers.
Obama …Crony Capitalist, Warmonger, Imperial Presidency
It looks like for two years of a Democratic control of both houses and the presidency we have one thing that is an improvement over Bush: Sonia Sotomayor (I will give him credit even though it could be cynically viewed as a calculated move to consolidate the Hispanic vote)–
all the rest is Bush-Rove-Cheney or worse.
Thank you so much for putting this up.
“In developing this theme of everyone being complicit, Eisler hits on a very convincing description of how it occurs. Branding our situation as being dominated by oligarchs, he points out that rather than being hidden, it is in plain sight. Also, “there aren’t any secret handshakes”. Rather, “It’s just a collection of people in business, politics, the military, and the media who recognize their interests are better served by cooperation than they would be by competition.”
This is what I have been saying for a while. It’s not some super secret cabal of Rockefellers and Morgans whispering their orders down some unseen chain of command…
… rather, it’s a mindset. People don’t have to be told their cooperation will result in new contracts. People don’t have to be told to shout down “conspiracy theorists” on their talk-shows…. they already know they have to in order to get the show renewed. It’s a power structure formed around a criminal mindset which is more implied than stated, for obvious reasons.
Thank you for putting this up.
Thanks. And it is sad indeed that such a mindset is so pervasive.
“And what does David Rockefeller say about his work?
For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interest of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists ‘ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”"
From FDR’s memorial…
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” THEY (WHO) SEEK TO ESTABLISH
SYSTEMS OF GOVERNMENT BASED ON
THE REGIMENTATION OF ALL HUMAN
BEINGS BY A HANDFUL OF INDIVIDUAL
RULERS CALL THIS A NEW ORDER
IT IS NOT NEW AND IT IS NOT ORDER ”
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html
In addition to everything you said, I get the sense that Bybee’s being a federal appeals judge also put the chill on the more severe characterization of his and Yoo’s conduct. Finding misconduct as opposed to “poor judgment,” with referrals to state bar(s), etc., would have had profound effects.
Also, the harsher judgment would have pulled the entire story back into the public spotlight. As we have learned, such things are regarded by the administration as unworthy “distractions.” Distractions from the current domestic agenda they may well be, but hardly unworthy. Rather, they are essential.
Oh, yes. We musn’t be distracted from a domestic agenda that is moving forward so well, musn’t we? If we have consequences for those acts, we’ll lose even more Republican votes!
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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve made this point to Democratic friends, and how distressing it is that they don’t get it. Even if somebody believes torture prosecutions are an acceptable negotiating chip to play for health care (I don’t, because I don’t think adherence to the law should be a bargaining chip), you don’t cash in your leverage preemptively and then hope the other guy will match your gesture of good will. You hold the threat over his head until you have compliance.
And you don’t start a negotiation with a compromise — you start with a strong position, even an outrageous one. Paul Krugman made this point on healthcare: that if the Dems were serious, they should have insisted on single payer at the outset and then grudgingly compromised in favor of a public option. Instead, they started with the compromise, which then, as even a third-rate negotiator could have predicted, had to be compromised. It’s sad.
Thanks KarenM and PMorlan, and hope you enjoy Inside Out. Torture Team was one of the books I drew on (if you’re curious, the full bibliography is here), and I’m proud of the cover quote Philippe gave me: “Inside Out grips you from the very beginning, drawing you deep into the mindset that brought torture back to the US. It takes us where we may yet end up. It could not be more topical or devastating.”
What can we do about the oligarchy, or system, or establishment, whatever you want to call it… I don’t know. All I can think of is better civics in schools, so that people have a better understanding of the Constitution. And that beyond that, you do what you can. For me, that means using what’s happening in America in my plots to create wider awareness. Also blogging, donating my speaking fees to the ACLU, forwarding articles I find persuasive… None of which sounds like much in the face of the entrenched interests we face, but you have to do something.
The corrupt interests and the politicians they own have gone “all-in” for looting..
there was a choice—1. reform for the sake of the long-run, or 2. take what’s left and head for the hills….the latter was chosen.
The US debt plus GSE debt plus unfunded liabilities of SS system and debt with implicit US guaranty now totals 300% of GDP—
the U.S. is insolvent and the vultures are picking the bones while the victim still breathes.
the looting will continue until credit to U.S. dries up…
no one knows what will happen then.
You are so right about the health care reform “negotiations”. And don’t forget that Pelosi previewed this approach when she took impeachment off the table before she was even sworn in as Speaker. I’ve heard people joke that Clinton was the best Republican president we’ve had in generations. He’ll have to try hard to overcome W and Nixon, but Obama appears determined to be the worst Republican president in generations.
Worth saying again. I have been mystified at the reasons for Obama repeatedly doing things this way. Surely he is smarter than that. That then brings the question why? Why would he choose that way?
In other words…you don’t hold a snake by the tail……
Somewhat telling that the guy tasked with doing the “final review”, after the thing had been reviewed and commented on to death internally for years, was a guy who was one of the highest leaders and supervisors in the DOJ in which the targets served and worked in. One of the guys (Margolis) responsible for Yoo, Bybee and the OLC’s work was the one given the opportunity to whitewash it and sweep it under the rug. Very convenient eh? What a shock that he strained to not find misconduct by his own troops.
Thanks very much, Jim, glad you enjoyed the book. As I mention in the sources section and in one of the epigraphs, I’m indebted to Simon Johnson of MIT for the notion of an American oligarchy. For anyone who’s interested, you can find Johnson’s article on the subject in The Atlantic here, The Quiet Coup. Glenn Greenwald’s take is here. And here’s a clip of Bill Moyers interviewing Johnson.
I wish I could disagree with your take on the likelihood of torture prosecutions, but I think you’re right.
Thanks again, and especially for that collection of links to further information.
Thanks for the links, Barry. By the way I loved your book Fault Line. I’m happy to see that you have a new one out.
I wish Leahy could be successfully primaried, but it’s a seriously uphill task.
All he has to do is bash Republicans a few times and Vermonters think he’s a heroic liberal and celebrate with a fresh bowl of weed.
Thanks
…Much like Pelosi’s constituents, I imagine.
Of course, owing to a fiendishly successful PR campaign, not only will torture not be prosecuted, it’s become, for lack of a better word, “popular.” When you have a Supreme Court Justice mixing up “24″ with real life, and Bill O’Reilly raising few eyebrows when he suggests that the Speaker of the House be waterboarded, the horse has left the barn.
Just another reason Dawn Johnsen will be left swinging in the breeze. The last thing Obama wants is accountability or the rule of law followed. The only way I can see her confirmed is if she agrees to tow the line and drink the kool-aid.
I don’t see her giving, so that’s why I suggested last night on bmaz’s thread that she should walk away. And Peterr made the excellent suggestion that such walking away should be done in a very public manner meant to bring shame on the depths to which this government has fallen.
It would be great to see her do that Jim, but does she really want to be a martyr. Her career would probably take a nosedive if she did. I still wonder about David Iglesias being reactivated in the Navy reserves as JAG, was it done just to shut him up?
That, or they get everything processed and off the table before she gets in the front door.
I don’t know how they can get everything processed with them piling more crap on : two more illegal wars,appendix M of the AFM etc.
This is a great essay, Jim. “The wider question becomes whether the entire government is standing in the way of accountability for the crime of torture.” And we know the answer to that.
Barry Eisler certainly hit the nail on the head in his book. This isn’t about conspiracy. It’s about a corrupt government, a rogue government, and a complicit ruling elite that will alibi just about anything, including illegal war, i.e., mass killing, and torture.
(I, too, have read Inside Out, and I’m sure many readers can hardly wait until its June publication date.)
Well, imvho, it is reminiscent of concerted collusion.
Jason Leopold now has an excellent article up on this at Truthout: http://www.truthout.org/obamas-doj-clears-torture-memo-authors-john-yoo-jay-bybee-professional-misconduct56531
Jeff, thanks for the kind words — as you know, I’m hoping Inside Out will help increase awareness of the true costs and consequences of torture. As Cocktailhag points out, the way the right has cross-promoted torture through entertainment is not adequately understood. Jane Mayer wrote a terrific piece on the subject three years ago in The New Yorker (Whatever It Takes), and Dahlia Lithwick had a great followup in Newsweek (The Fiction Behind Torture Policy), but the right’s cross-promotion tactics deserve much wider attention, and the forces of reason need to return fire.
It’s way past time to quit labeling it as a right only tactic, imo.
Though i do believe the scope of the “complicity” is and has been much larger than many want to admit… I can’t help but wonder if the term complicity best describes it anymore. it’s either a crime.. or it’s just legal and who we as a nation are for the time being.
Excellent post, Jim.
It’s my hope, as I know it is yours, that your own work will help turn this situation around.
How can there NOT be a conspiracy when everyone is complicit?
US lawyers persuaded Lord Goldsmith to change his mind on Iraq war …Jan 27, 2010 … Tony Blair only got the “green light” to invade Iraq after his Attorney General visited Washington and was told by US lawyers that he was …
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7004515.ece
In the spirit of coincidence, or synchronicity it IS intriguing that there are two significant “actors” involved in these issues germane to the Iraq war.
One is English,Lord Goldsmith,Tony Blair’s Attorney General.
The other was U.S. assistant Attorney General, who was weighing in on the Yoo memorandums-among other issues- was Jack Goldmsmith, mentioned in the Truthout article. (BTW ,Jack Goldsmith DID attend Oxford,in England.)
Jack Goldsmith resigned and wrote an interesting book about his experiences.I will post a wiki excerpt on this.
Jack Goldsmith himself claims that he largely succeeded in correcting what he saw as overbroad legal opinions issued by his predecessors at OLC. In his book, The Terror Presidency, he claims he resigned partly in an attempt to ensure those corrections stuck and partly because he felt he had lost the confidence of administration leaders. He does not specify who those leaders were, but notes that White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales several times asked him to remain while David Addington, then the legal counsel to the Vice-President and an influential White House figure, was concerned with how often he had overturned previous OLC opinions.[6]
The Terror Presidency
Goldsmith is the author of The Terror Presidency, a book that details the legal issues the Bush administration faced in the war on terror, including the definition of torture, the applicability of the Geneva Conventions to the war on terror and the Iraq War, the detention and trial of suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere, and wiretapping laws. Though he is largely sympathetic with the concerns of the Bush administration’s terrorism policies, his primary claim is that the administration’s focus on the hard power of prerogative rather than the soft power of persuasion had been counterproductive, both in the war on terror and in the extension of effective executive authority. Some of the assertions made in the book include that the Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, David Addington, at one point said that “we’re one bomb away from getting rid of that obnoxious court,” referring to the secret FISA court that rules on warrants for secret wiretapping by the United States government.[2]
Wiki
US lawyers persuaded Lord Goldsmith to change his mind on Iraq war
Nico Hines and David Brown
Tony Blair only got the “green light” to invade Iraq after his Attorney General visited Washington and was told by US lawyers that he was wrong to oppose the war.
Lord Goldsmith told the Iraq Inquiry today that he altered his advice a few weeks before the bombing of Baghdad after a series of meetings with American legal advisors. He had initially warned that United Nations resolution 1441, passed in November 2002, did not provide a legal basis for overthrowing Saddam Hussein.
He changed his mind in February 2003 after compelling evidence from senior US officials and advisors – including national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Will Taft IV, a senior State Department legal official. Lord Goldsmith said their description of the negotiations that lead to the Security Council resolution helped convince him that a second resolution was not required.——————
US lawyers persuaded Lord Goldsmith to change his mind on Iraq war …Jan 27, 2010 … Tony Blair only got the “green light” to invade Iraq after his Attorney General visited Washington and was told by US lawyers that he was …
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7004515.ece
I was really sad to see Taft’s name (Powell’s GC at State) as an enlistee in the war sales pitch. There just aren’t any good guys anywhere. It’s not like asking for heroes, just baseline decent people.
I wonder. Where is the decency? The smell of the rot exposes our shame. It is a miasma that drains pride and will. Hard to know how or when but you are correct a rotten foundation will not support a vibrant structure.
It’s all just the way people with money operate. They are simply more loyal to their money first and foremost. They can have high ideals and be kind to the poor at Christmas but when their money is in jeopardy they close ranks.
I have read a lot of history and period fiction and come away struck with those facts. Hell hundreds of Frenchmen risked and lost their heads during the revolution staying in or going back to France try to save their property. Same with sadly too many of the affluent Jews in WWII. Read Jane Austen or Edith Wharton. Great novels of romance etc. but the main theme? Marry wealth.
I am personally so distraught over our nation’s embracing torture with no evidence of intent to change I really cannot speak or write. Anyone hear the “moderate” Susan Collins in today’s Saturday radio addrss?
Jim – I think you’re right about there not being explicit instructions (if, for no other reason than that the players as lawyers ought to know better).
I’ll add on another layer to the cooperating networkers. Some of how a government “works” is the credibility it has with the governed – with respect to the Justice system, that’s even more so an element. Over and over during the last decade a part of what we’ve seen is court deference to the Executive – acknowledging credibility in the Executive branch and its representations; acknowledging crediblity in the men and women entrusted with the ability to decide who to pursue and for what kinds of criminal charges and what representations to make to the court.
Some may ask themselves, does it harm stable governance more than it helps to reveal how lacking in crediblity and integrity an institution like the DOJ has become? Not just their very personal-take self interests in cooperation, but even a kind of grandiose view of their role in keeping society stable by not revealing how poorly their institution works. It’s kind of a belief in govt by placebo – if people think something is the product of trials and testing and will work, then maybe it will. They really do worry more about the fallout from showing that the Emperor has no clothes than about the consequences of structuring society around a lie. No personal fallout even, but they worry about a society where governance has lost its credibility.
Thanks. There probably are quite a few people operating in the way you suggest. Especially this part:
In fact, there were very similar arguments put forward for not having prosecutions for financial crimes for the same reasons. They suggested that exposing just how corrupt the system was would result in a total loss of confidence in it by the public, and that would have finished off its demise. I happen to believe the American people are resourceful enough to deal with getting rid of the bad actors in both government and finance, take on the collateral damage and move on toward remaking our country.
I’m with you and I also think that for the long run an institution can take a lot of damage and be left standing and rebuilt, but ignoring the rot of the foundation leads to irreversible damage. But you have to start with telling the truth.
The WH and DOJ have been dead ends for the truth.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the People would be more in line with reality if they DID lose confidence in the financial system (and many others).
I find it quite telling that lying, politely referred to as “puffing,” is a basic concept incorporated into all our contract law. How much “confidence” should a rational person have in a system built on a lie?
Well, governance HAS lost its credibility, so what now?
At the very least, we should have ~~~EDITED IN MODERATION~~~ for egregious violations of the public trust by key officials. That would restore some credibility in my eyes. And, given the far-reaching consequneces of such violations, I would have no problem justifying such a law on moral grounds.
~~~ModNote: Please do not go there.~~~
As I said in Jeff Kaye’s thread, it isn’t just Margolis knowing what this Administration might want. It’s Holder’s knowing where Margolis was coming from. A lawyer should never ask a question he doesn’t know the answer to. Did Holder do any different when he asked Margolis to look at the OPR report?
Oh, yes. I think you’re right that Holder knew exactly what he was getting when he picked Margolis.
I wonder if there was a secret deal with rethugs not to take action on the torture memos… and whether that deal still holds if rethugs continue obstructing everything.
That’s the irony, isn’t it? The Republican threat is that they would block all legislation. As you point out, that’s what they’re already doing.
I’d call it ironic, but I’m not sure these people understand irony.
Perhaps they’d decide to block some legislation retroactively… anything is possible in BizarroWorld.
As for Inside Out, I can hardly wait to read it, and even more… I can hardly wait to hear that it will become a film. A film might be the one avenue for awakening people to how torture has been popularized and marketed and how “they” have– finally– been completely duped.
Not just about torture, but about everything.
Increasingly, I’m reminded of the late ’50′s/early ’60′s Mafia flick “Pay or Die” in which Ernest Borgnine plays an NYPD detective. He’s trying to find out who the head of the Mafia is, and has dinner at an out-of-the-way Italian restaurant with a successful businessman, a contact of his, who he hopes will provide the answer.
They finish a good dinner and Borgnine asks him who the head of the Mafia is in New York. The guy gives him a vulpine smile and says, “I am.” Borgnine knows that the guy wouldn’t have told him this unless he were well and truly screwed, and so it — he gets gunned down when he leaves the restaurant.
Who’s in charge of dealing with torture, corporate crime, and other Bush messes, we ask Obama. He smiles at us and says, “I am.” Am not saying we’re gonna get the Borgnine treatment, it’s just that I don’t have much faith in the Big O.
I cannot pretend to know Obama’s heart but he behaves as though he has lived his adult life believing in the ultimate good of capitalism and that that not all who run the government, elective career are or basically decent. The worse things become the more he must rely on it. It is his foundation. Similar to Greenspan’s belief in the virtue of corporate America and behaved that way for 40 years.
Yep. It doesn’t really matter who the face of the crime family is at any given moment, Bush, Obama, or whoever’s next.
Things start to make a lot more sense when
1) One stops believing the game of two-card monte that is American politics (“Oh, so close! I’m sure you’ll pick the honest one this next time!”) is rigged from the start. We’re all just marks in the big con game.
2) Obama’s role was, and still is, to prevent significant change. Had we elected a typical old rich white guy, there was enough anger at the Bush/Cheney folks that many of them would have ended up swinging in front of the Hague. That’s clearly not an acceptable outcome for those running the system. So instead what got rolled out was something that looked so different that all that energy for real change got redirected and diffused.
But don’t lose faith. The problem is not with them, it’s with us – we’ve placed our faith in the wrong people. The collapse of America is life’s way of showing us where our faith now properly lies: not in politicians who we hope will care for us so we can remain dependent and infantile, but in ourselves.
Agreed — Obama is about continuity, not change. Thanks for a meaty response.
Hear, hear. Very pithy.
Given the pond in which all government functionaries swim, none of them wants to foul the water. If any one is held accountable, all of them could be, and they won’t have that. Everyone who looks away or fudges to blur responsibility or dissipate criminality is protecting him/herself. So simple, so effective.
Pervasive corruption and criminality in American politics isn’t a conspiracy between business and government, any more than 80,000 people showing up for a football game is a conspiracy between sports fans.
It’s the way the system is intended to work.
“Americans choosing between Republicans and Democrats is like chickens choosing between Tyson and Perdue.”
Maybe OT — Have you all heard that the US has cut off bringing the critically injured Hatians to the US for treatment. Lot’s of double talking but apparently there is a problem over payment for care and “some” of the states won’t accept any.
Shame!
Maybe they thought about lawsuits from Americans unable to get medical care?
Or they are just providing usual and customary care given to our citizens. Tell the medics to take them to another place. Or treat the emergency then give them a bus ticket to another state.
Spencer Ackerman is upstairs!
Jack Shafer’s Unpersuasive Case Against Scott Horton
To understand why torture is an integral part of American foreign policy you have to understand the enormous gap between how foreign policy is sold to citizens and what really motivates it instead.
Stop “the average American” on the street and she’ll tell you the role America plays abroad is as the white knight spreading democracy, freedom, justice and human rights to the poor and the oppressed.
And yet a more thorough examination shows clearly that it is motivated instead by 1] what is in the best interests of Wall Street and 2] what is in the best interest of the military industrial complex. And in order to secure a “favorable business climate” around the globe America will aid and abet truly reactionary and autocratic regimes.
This precipitates the infamous “blowback” that is then marketed by the government as the “war on terror”.
Around and around it goes.
The role of Progressives is to expose the “shadow government” behind the headlines that sustains a foreign policy such that there is virtually no real distinction between Democrats and Republicans when foreign policy is being pursued in furtherance of both crony capitalism and a perpetual war economy.
Obama hurt us more than Bush, because there was always the possibility of a challenge.
Obama put the “Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval” on torture for all time,
so he’s worse than Bush.
He’s approving targeted extra-judicial assassinations of Americans…
soon if you’re a threat you will just “disappear”…
like Argentina in the 1980′s
My question is, when everyone is seen to be complicit, why do we do nothing about it?
Also, why should anybody obey any criminal law at all? AFTER ALL, DOESN’T EVERY SINGLE CRIMINAL COURT, BY DEFINITION, LOOK BACKWARD? Equality under the law is so quaint a notion.
I just posted a comment at the Huffington Post about the Newsweek piece and then came here and read Jim’s piece about everyone being complicit . I call “the everyone is complicit” description the “go along to get along” mindset in action but it’s essentially the same thing.
I too hope that there are still honorable people working behind the scenes in an attempt to restore justice in this country. I know the ACLU is doing so and some other outside groups and bloggers. Let’s just hope there are still a few people within the government who are also involved.
Here’s what I posted at HuffPo:
We have nothing but cowards in Washington, on both sides of the aisle They will do anything, including ignoring torture and murder, in order to go along to get along. They are far more concerned with taking care of themselves than they are in protecting and defending the Constitution and standing up for what they all know is right. There must be a special place reserved in hell for all of those who choose to participate in the cover-up of state sanctioned torture and murder.
I can only imagine how those courageous individuals, who risked their careers and possibly their very lives to expose the war criminals among us, must feel when they see these cowards go out of their way to give aid and comfort to the criminals. Our supposed leaders have taken us so far down the rabbit hole that I wonder if we’ll ever find our way out again. It is outrageous, absolutely outrageous.
Yes, we do appear to be talking about the same thing.
It’s good to see you again.
Thanks, Jim. I’ve been here just about every day but I haven’t had as much time to comment since becoming gainfully employed again. LOL And between you and me I liked it much better when I didn’t have the job. LOL
Congratulations. But they do say nobody on their death bed ever wished they had worked harder…
Exactly! Unfortunately I’m working for a Fortune 25 company now and they pretend not to know about that bit of truth. LOL
Thanks for alerting us about the new Eisler book. I just went to Amazon and placed a pre-order for it. I can hardly wait. Last weekend I was finally able to buy Phillipe Sands book, Torture Team. Hopefully I’ll be able to start on it this weekend. Have a great night, Jim and thanks for a great post.
A country that either ignores or condones torture done in the name of it’s citizens is not deserving of liberty but in need of liberation.
I think that Obama and Holder have been told in uncertain terms that if they go after the torture masterminds, they will be killed.
David Dayen is upstairs!
Pentagon Undermining DADT Repeal Already
Obama could not do anything at this point even if he wanted to bring all those criminals to trial. The DOJ etc has been stuffed full of repuke fops for 8 years. Remember the likes of Andrew Card and Monica Goodling? Many were appointees but burrowed in to the staff jobs and vacated the appointed jobs so as to hang on to the department. Obama’s appointees would be and will be stonewalled by everything under the Homeland Security umbrella from near the top on down. Anyone of competence that was worth a crap in any of those departments anytime since 2001 is long gone.
Message to whitehouse.gov
To whom it may concern, or not concern, as the case may be:
It’s the Constitution … stupid.
By the time the next congress is sworn in January 2011, this administration will be finished.
Well done and congratulations, Rahm
In response to the specific question posed in the diary. I agree we are all in some manner complicit, even if it is only to deny or deflect attention. I do believe most of us, even the wingnuts are aware that these policies being followed by official command by our country are egregious crimes against humanity. Most of us feel helpless and thus become complicit in silence nevertheless. Creating this kind of public complicity in crimes is a conscious strategy of governments. Hannah Arrendt in particular wrote about this.
I believe with all my heart the Bush administration consciously used this strategy.
Once we begin to experience our own complicity and guilt it becomes even more difficult to act. Personally I think giving Obama the benefit of the doubt he is now in this situation and as badlib points out he is really entrapped by the corruption of the government entities that he would need to make changes.
That said there is for me at least a very real question of what can I do? I do write and disseminate material to the public, some demonstrations etc. But the fact is the system is so corrupted that I can’t see a way working within the system to begin a process that can lead to change.
Sadly I see this diary about ready to scroll to the archive but would love to hear any non-violent ways we can promote a return to the rule of law and the Constitution.
I just looked at Eisler’s website.
One of the characters is Colonel Scott Horton? Cute…. :)
Beginning in the first book of this series (Inside Out is the second), Eisler has entertained the blogging community by putting the names of progressive bloggers into the plot. Should Firedoglake decide to host a Book Salon when this book comes out (and I’d love to see that happen) the choice for hosting the chat would be obvious, since a character who plays a moderately central role is named Marcy Wheeler.
Jim, thanks for articulating something very important. This is a profound phenomenon that describes not only what has happened on the legal front, but on the entire political scene.
The pro torture propaganda has been effective. The public backlash would be much greater if torture was understood in the correct context–not as a desperate effort by patriots to protect the country but rather as a calculated scheme intended to perpetuate the war on terror.
The patriotism of the torture apologists should be up for review. They should explain why they don’t believe in US values. Instead we have an absurd situation where support for torture is considered the height of patriotism. Which in turn means that softening OPR reports is also an act of patriotism. This sad state of affairs was achieved by convincing the public that torture worked as advertised.
I left this comment at Jeff’s post, but I’ll reiterate here just because it’s relevant: John Yoo and Stephen Bradbury have been vindicated in their logic by the Supreme Court when it left stand the DC Circuit’s ruling in Rasul v. Myers (the ruling was April 2009, the Supremes declined to hear the case in November 2009). So complaining about Obama being a nudge person, or the DoJ being a travesty, or John Yoo being barbaric or any of that has no relevance anymore. But somehow, all the watchdogs failed to grasp that part of the Rasul v. Myers verdict and went on in the press about calling Guant´namo detainees ‘not persons’. They did indeed. They called them not persons with respect to due process and the 5th amendment citing the precedent Johnson v. Eisenstrager. That was the crux of the arguments in the Yoo/Bybee and Bradbury memoes: The 14th amendment didn’t apply because there was no issue with states, the 8th didn’t apply because the prisoners weren’t being officially punished as convicted criminals, and the 5th Amendment didn’t apply because they had no significant U.S. presence. Therefore, the memoes said, if treatment went up through and including CIDT (cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment), but stopped short of torture, the Senate’s 1994 reservations to the Convention Against Torture’s Article 16, prohibiting CIDT, precluded prosecution, making the treatment “legal”.
It doesn’t matter how much you know about what kind of law or the Constitution, if you don’t know what our stance is on international human rights law, you miss the boat on this one. Legal eagles would be advised to come up to speed, before the Republican packed courts make a mockery of all that this nation would like to stand for. Blaming Obama, Holder, or Margolis isn’t going to do any good if the problem is named Scalia.
Thanks for pointing that out. It is very disturbing that there wasn’t a reaction to such horrible legal reasoning being established as SCOTUS precedent. Although the current court has shown that at least in the Citizens United case it is willing to reverse a hundred years of precedent, I don’t see them reversing Rasul anytime in the near future.
Thanks. You put yours up as I was writing myn #83
Ondelette, thank you. This is an important point and I hadn’t adequately understood it.
I think the reasoning is poor (Yoo’s and the court’s — not yours).
The Senate reservation provides:
“That the United States considers itself bound by the obligation under article 16 to prevent “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,” only insofar as the term “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” means the cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and/or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.”
So Yoo and the court construed the reservation above to mean that article 16 “treatment” would be limited to Eighth Amendment “punishment,” is that right? The more obvious (and appealing) argument, it seems to me, is that the reservation was intended to clarify the meaning of the phrase “cruel, inhuman, and degrading,” to the effect: if an act is cruel and unusual punishment under the eighth amendment, it will also be cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment under article 16. That is, if it’s cruel as punishment, it’s cruel as any other form of treatment.
If you have any other sources on this important point, I’d be grateful if you could point them out. Thank you again.
Yes! I also question. Where is someone to articulate that the “US” values of which we speak are not something unique, invented by the US only for US citizens? When they were enunciated in the DOI the authors were clearly stating these certain rights are inalienable to all humans. They are universal, even inalienable to “islamofascists” (god I hate that term.)
Enumerated in the first ten Amendments, I do not believe our Constitution states our government has any authority to selectively protect and defend the universal rights of people under our control on the basis of whom we don’t like at the time.
It is the boldest of hypocrisy to claim the privilege of selectivity as pertains to human rights as government or as individuals.
I know there is all the rhetoric about self defense and imminent danger and different rules for organized war with uniforms. That is when the quibbling begins and the focus becomes deflected as to whether torture ever serves the purpose of self-defense and the human part gets lost.
Even so I think the question has been answered over and over: Torture elicits lies. History over and over shows us that is usually the intent of the perpetrator. Perhaps we should ask those in our government what lies do they want the “islamofascists” we capture to tell?
In the case of KSM, I asked if we were torturing him to get a false Iraq-al Qaeda connection and then that was confirmed just a couple of days later. That also seems to apply to quite a few other prisoners tortured in the run-up to the Iraq invasion.
The perverted world of the intellgence community, they believe they know better than elected officials what is best for the country. In that world I have no doubt that to elicit lies is the prime reason they torture.