
Barack Obama and Stanley McChrystal discussing Afghanistan strategy last May.
From the White House Flickr feed.
Last October, Adam Curtis posted an article on the BBC website that provided a detailed look at the forgotten history of US development efforts in Helmand province. As the NATO offensive heads into its second day there, it is useful to compare the current efforts to what transpired fifty years ago.
Here is how Curtis opens the piece:
When you look at footage of the fighting in Helmand today everyone assumes it is being played out against an ancient background of villages and fields built over the centuries.
This is not true. If you look beyond the soldiers, and into the distance, what you are really seeing are the ruins of one of the biggest technological projects the United States has ever undertaken. Its aim was to use science to try and change the course of history and produce a modern utopia in Afghanistan. The city of Lashkar Gah was built by the Americans as a model planned city, and the hundreds of miles of canals that the Taliban now hide in were constructed by the same company that built the San Francisco Bay Bridge and Cape Canaveral.
As Curtis works his way through the remarkable history, it is clear that the US attempts at development in Afghanistan that began in the 1950′s were doomed from the start, but political forces kept them in operation:
But almost immediately things started to go wrong. In 1949 the first, small diversion dam was built. But it raised the level of the water table in the whole area. And that brought salt to the surface.
The American engineers realised this meant that the whole project probably wouldn’t work. But at that very moment President Truman made a speech promising to give aid to poor countries. It was the start of the Cold War and Truman was going to use development projects and American money to stop countries from becoming communist.
Curtis also provides a photo of a page from the Morrison Knudsen (the engineering firm that built many of the projects) magazine touting "Little America" in Afghanistan.
Curtis describes one of the key players in development of the US plan:
But again all the doubts and worries were overwhelmed because the American technocrats and politicians had become fascinated by a new idea. It was called "Modernization Theory". It said that there was a way of using science and technology not just to stop countries like Afghanistan going communist, but to actually transform them into democratic capitalist societies like America.
Modernization Theory had been invented by an ambitious academic at Harvard called Walt Whitman Rostow. He said that if you put the right technologies in place and educated key elites then the countries would inevitably develop into advanced capitalist societies. They would go through a series of logical stages (there were five) until you got what he modestly called "Rostovian Lift-off".
In the US strategy review that President Obama conducted, how much of this history of Afghanistan was considered? Again yesterday, the New York Times repeated General McChrystal’s claim that:
“We’ve got a government in a box, ready to roll in,” General McChrystal said.
Given the previous concerns expressed by Ambassador Karl Eikenberry about the suitability of the Karzai government as a partner, McChrystal’s claim leaves one wondering about the basis of what is in his box:
We underestimate how long it will take to restore or establish civilian government. The proposed strategy assumes that once the clearing and holding process has been accomplished in a given area, the rebuilding and transferring to Afghans can proceed apace, followed by a relatively rapid U.S. withdrawal. In reality, the process of restoring Afghan government is likely to be slow and uneven, no matter how many U.S. and other foreign civilian experts are involved. Many areas need not just security but health care, education, justice, infrastructure, and almost every other basic government function. Many have never had these services at all. Establishing them requires trained and honest Afghan officials to replace our own personnel. That cadre of Afghan civilians does not now exist and would take years to build.
We learn from Reuters that one aspect of the plan for after Marjeh is "cleared" of Taliban depends heavily on social scientists:
U.S. military officials say shooting their way to victory will not lead to peace in Afghanistan, and winning the cooperation of Afghan civilians is their most effective weapon.
Kristin Post, a social scientist working for a Department of Defense "Human Terrain Team," is about 12 km (8 miles) south of Marjah, and she is looking forward to going into the town, alongside a battalion of Marines, and talking to its residents.
/snip/
Using civilian academics such as anthropologists and conflict resolution students like Post is a key part of the counter-insurgency, or COIN, doctrine behind Washington’s military engagement in Afghanistan.
If this approach sounds familiar, consider this revealing snippet from Curtis, where Rostow pops up again, but this time providing strategy for Vietnam:
By 1965 the Americans were fighting a bitter guerilla war against an unseen enemy, the Vietcong. The Vietcong hid among the thousands of villages in South Vietnam – from which they attacked the Americans. Rostow was convinced that you could use modernization theory to transform the country and defeat the communists.
He was a supporter of an idea called "Strategic Hamlets. The theory was simple – you took all the "good" Vietnamese out of the villages and resettled them in new planned villages which would be protected by the Americans. There the villagers would be educated by psychologists and special cadres to become new "modern" citizens devoted to democracy.
Granted, in this case the US approach is to "clear" the Taliban from Marjeh and then build government there, rather than moving the "good" Afghans to a new population center, but the approach appears to be the same. And the meetings with the population of Marjeh, which Post predicted, already have begun (h/t macaquerman for this link):
Hundreds of Afghan men walked for miles over dusty roads Saturday to hear the Marines explain those angry sounds of war coming from the Taliban stronghold of Marja.
Nearly 400 elders, farmers and tradesmen attended the open-air meeting called by their tribal leaders. In the distance, artillery boomed and Hellfire missiles exploded as the Marine-led assault on Marja entered its first full day.
For the U.S., the meeting was part of a strategy to move quickly from the fighting to the establishment of at least the beginnings of a government that answers to President Hamid Karzai, not the Taliban.
In noting the previous futility of instilling new governments in other countries, David Sanger in the New York Times article linked above notes its repetitive nature (hey, did he read my Groundhog Day post?):
The problem, of course, is that governments-in-a-box that are ready to roll in can also be rolled out — or rolled over. And the most heated arguments that unfolded during the Afghanistan review pitted those who thought that Mr. Karzai’s government needed one more chance to show it could get it right against those who argued that they had been to this movie before, and it always ended the same way.
Only time will tell us if we will see the same, sad ending to the movie or if a "Rostovian Lift-off" can be achieved this time. At the very least, it is my fervent hope that this time political considerations will not be allowed override signs of failure. In that regard, it would be very informative to have a fuller understanding of why Eikenberry is widely reported to have set aside his concerns last December to fall in line behind the present strategy.



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Interesting essay and nice bit of background on Helmand’s history.
I’m, as always, skeptical of arguments predicting future failure mostly based on past failure, but what the heck, it was still good reading.
(shocked and awed to see my my handle stuck in there, but thank you)
Well, I’m trying not to jump to conclusions, but the movie does look awfully familiar… And, after all, you found that article.
The post by Curtis is an amazing collection of history. I strongly recommend to everyone that they read the entire article.
The Curtis article is every bit as fine as you say. Hell of a link.
The ball’s already rolling, and we all know where it will land. It’s remarkable to me that these same nutty ideas continue to be sold, much less bought, but Eisenhower did warn us.
Yes, since there’s so much money to be had in the selling, we see endless repackaging posing as “New!” and “Improved!” ideas.
One of your best diaries and they are all excellent to outstanding. When that Curtis series came out it struck me as very profound. Even though our country leadership seems to have an outstanding ability to not learn from history, it’s important to keep trying to use it as you and Curtis have to maybe get through in time. Only problem is, how much time do we have left?
While we social engineer, people die, lives are ruined and our national debt gets worse. There is no way we can get through our economic crisis and jobless recovery without drastically cutting our spending on so called national security. The fact that Obama succumbs to the seduction of national security “experts” in the form of “Yes we Can!” means he has learned little from history on how to best meet our nation’s needs.
Dangit! I’ll bet you even linked it in your news blasts as the installments came out. I really ought to pay more attention…
I did. For those who don’t know, I send out a daily political news email that has between 150-200 links covering, city, county, state, national and international news. I started it to help our local Dem candidates keep informed since they are giving up a lot of personal time trying to get elected and serve their communities and nation. Better informed, better decisions.
Most excellent post, Jim…!
The most dubious link in this entire sordid chain…! 8-(
Indeed. And I’m still wondering just how infrastructure can be put in a box in the first place.
Good Gawd
I note that McCrystal is calling for all of the things in Afghanistan that we need in America.
But we need to give up those things so that we can spread American capitalism.
If it works there, we can bring the war home!
(assuming there’s enough cash left over)
Another excellent post, thanks for taking the time to write this.
While listening to the radio news on Saturday, I got the ‘fair and balanced’ version of events in Helmand Province.
General description was something like: unstoppable force surgically removes AQ/Taliban infection, general populace either hiding or left the scene prior to operations beginning (didn’t hear the term refugee).
All forces careful (as always?) to prevent civilian casualties.
Government in a box ready to roll in dutifully repeated, with the explanation that this will help solve the troubles of the populace, thereby preventing bad guys from returning and etc.
Additional explanation that the Afghan government and military along with police would be taking over as soon as possible so that the populace will not think this is a US or NATO invasion. That this is really an Afghan operation with some help.
Nearly drove off the road WTF do they think the populace has been thinking since 2001? The populace will think this operation is different from the previous operations in the area because?
This was Fox news, don’t know if the correspondent actually believed this or not.
Did some searching today but did not come up with the quote or a similar story, but heard it several times over the afternoon. It was Fox news on Clear Channel, will look later maybe.
The true sign of a moron is repeating the same act over and over expecting a different outcome. i.e. American foreign policy.
So you think that if they do it one more time, and a little bit harder, it will work?
15000 armed personnel, to “take” a Taliban “stronghold” (LMAO) where it is estimated there may be 400-1000 Taliban. Uh huh. For this latest battle, the Taliban will be identified by their new blue jerseys, with big numbers on their backs.
Stuck in a timewarp. Economic problems? Look back to what we did before and repeat. Imperial ambition problems? Look back to what we did before and repeat…….the world is starting to look like one giant shampoo commercial.
Funny you should mention that. Look at the discussion thread from my previous post and start at this comment from DW Bartoo:
Yes, that is a real word, and the Greek root “palin” means both “backwards” and “again”. So, we keep going backwards to do this again and again, thinking we will get it right. And God help us if we choose to put Palin in charge of palination.
This is a revolting situation..I’m sickened to say this because it was a Bush/Chaney MO. It’s iceberg ahead…full steam ahead, try not to miss the berg.
What’s worse is that the escalation in Afghanistan is the one campaign promise that Obama has honored. In retrospect, we should have hammered him for it during the campaign, but it was so easy for us to believe that he was just using it as window dressing to get votes from independents. Sadly, it appears to be just what he wanted to do.
Good morning, all.
Excellent, enlightening post, Jim.
Rostow is quite a piece of work, anything with his fingerprints on it is worth suspicion and skepticism … ’tis amazing how often his tired old elitism is given a retread.
He and Sunstein are Harvard’s best intellectual thuggery champs, by my calculation.
(Good on ya, macaquerman, BTW …”G”)
DW
It seems to be the plan at this point in time, to put Palin in the Oral Office. Why else would a populist president, with an overwhelming mandate and majority, stand on the balcony and whiz on the people who put him there?
The Curtis piece is great reading. He incorporated a large number of very informative photos. He also embedded a lot of video that unfortunately pops up as “unavailable in your area” when I try to watch them.
It know it does not fit with the writers narrative, but forgetting the Soviet invasion and the subsequent takeover by the Taliban he fails to acknowledge their actions had something to do with the failure of these programs.
Yes the US foisted grand construction plans on just about ever developing country; http://www.wanttoknow.info/johnperkinseconomichitman however it does not excuse the writer from being an honest broker of the truth.
Uhm, look again. The irrigation program failed from the start, making the soil so saline that poppies were one of the few crops that could grow. And look back at the time of the Soviet invasion. Civil war was already being waged there; no magic capitalist utopia was ever established, no matter how hard you wish it was. Yes, Taliban rule was and is brutal, repressive and a horrible mix of religion and government. But we helped create the conditions for it to flourish with our own intervention before they came about.
Very fine post, Jim, and thanks so much for the Curtis reference. “Government in a box” — I despair sometimes; I really do.
But doesn’t EVERYBODY agree, this is one of the “good”, wars, right?
The whole “good” war crap is simply that.
All wars are “good” for those who profit, and I’m truly hard-pressed to see how any deliberate and considered “organized mayhem” is “good” for ANYONE else.
I guess I’m just war-challenged, and prejudiced as hell.
Well let’s see, must be some more ghoulishly “good” wars out there, looking forward.
Got a couple of “good” candidates already … waiting … in the drone-ish wings.
You betcha!
Just read the whole piece. Wonderful. Thanks so much for bringing it out.
My one-more-time meme comes from a saying I made up years ago: Like the drunk at the party, who thinks if he sez it one more time and a little bit louder, surely everyone will understand. (To describe my own behavior at a party the night before, gender changed to protect my identity.)
A very powerful thought struck me that this is the VERY reason America’s economy was taken down…by Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama…so we can war endlessly.
As we all know, NOBODY has been able to win in Afghanistan in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD. we watched it take the USSR down. So the monsters knew they would need money, LOTS of it. Hence, the looting of America.
Now, the Goldman Sachs cover-up of Greece’s debt may start the dominoes falling in the EU. They can get rid of the social programs and privatize everything over there as well.
I think the only thing gonna stop them is MAMA!
If that Gulf Stream Conveyor has shut down, which, I suspect, has already begun, Europe will be under 30 feet of ice in a very short time. So will Manhattan and Washington. I think it’s begun already.
I find it poetic may bury the bible belt as well.
Hang onto your hats! It’s gonna get really rough.
The Future – Leonard Cohen
Heh, we can’t even turn people in this country into “model Americans”.
This must be the “good war” DW. Not a protest in sight anywhere in North America. Guarantee if Bush was Prez, there would be. Selective outrage, or outrage burnout?
Yes, skdadl, in a Crackerjacks box, that little “extra” …
Ooh, paging twolf1! Government in a Crackerjack box. I love it!
Candy coated popcorn, peanuts and a
prizegovernment.Exactly. Mind if I steal that metaphor, DWB? I’ll give you credit.
Some people just don’t hear themselves, y’know? Crass beyond belief.
‘Morning, cb.
(rumor has you were tweaking bmaz’s patience t’other day, heh, heh)
A question worth asking, “selective” or “burnout”?
I guess we’ve just all gone all-bipartisan-all-the-time, cb,
DW
Steal away, skadadl.
My pleasure.
DW
I misread that as “Cass” beyond …
You can tell where my mind’s at.
DW
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jim White and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
The “Little America” strategy is not new and dates back far beyond the 1950′s. I think we could look at the Roman method of occupation particularly in Palestine and see the strategy of garrisoning in the metropolitan areas, co-opting the local institutions of government and social control and then creating an indigenous class of local leaders and psychophants who were responsible for administering local commerce and managing the exploitation of the economic resources of the area for the imperial homeland.
Any VietNam vet can describe exactly the process I related above. Maybe the best example would be what is now HoChi Mihn City but even easier to see is a metropolitan area like Qui Nhon in which a huge supply base was established in the deep water port. The entire structure of American society was re-created around the shopping mall-like PX and BX structures with 2 500 bed evacuation hospitals and area MP stations and barracks located in the suburban “villages”. I am convinced that long after they kicked our sorry asses out, the course of their social history was changed and the institutions of economy and social control remained as more than historical museum pieces.
The world is in the last throughs of the experience of 20th Century American corporate imperialism and unless we “the people” can dismantle the monstrous killing machine, the Western world may well be lookin at a couple a centuries of a new “Dark Age”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE WARS STUPID!!
Hope I’m wrong, but I was thinking that it is all one big trip down memory lane to another world war. Hope not, but, with no economies anywhere on the globe except military, is it not the natural flow of events?
Yes, a new Dark Age.
I’ve worried about that for years, Norske.
Nightmares coming true.
What a needless waste.
And how pathetic.
That global conflagration is to usher us into the new Age, cb.
Nightmares.
Our future, looking forward ………
DW
If only our leaders studied history…
Morning back at ya DW. I wasn’t intentionally tweaking on Bmaz, just trying to honestly figure out why miniscule cosmetics is so important to some people. Like Afghanistan, it seems if it “looks good” is really all that is necessary. My point seemed to escape some posters. Guess I’m not good at relaying thoughts. To me bipartisanship is summed up by Rahm and Dick Cheney. “We know what you want, but don’t care”
(One notes, at the bottom of the page, a “BOOK SALON PREVIEW”.
The Salon was yesterday, and it was great. Are we “looking backward”?)
DW
I would have to say that I suspect that as well.
Ya did fine, cb, and your “point” was and is, valid.
Mindsets.
DW
Great post Jim BTW. I had totally forgot about this experiment. As a youngster I remember discussing this in school with a teacher that saw everything that the US government did as “good guys saving the world, and promoting honest democracy”…..anyone in his class that disagreed was given poor marks.
But our leaders believe that history is bunk. Besides, ‘Muricans don’t read history we MAKE it, doncha knows?
Have you read Diamond’s Collapse? I’m thinking that might be a useful way to look at the U.S.
Well, don’t want to hijack Jim’s excellent post, but does it not seem stupid to be arguing over military vs civil trials, when you know the outcome that has been announced continually? That would mean nothing more than an American Idol Show Trial, or kangaroo justice, complete with corporate sponsors? Again, sorry Jim for what will look like a hijack.
I’m going to say another prayer for you, buddy boy. I like your slithering style.
I haven’t, eCAHN.
A brief synopsis?
Please.
Yeppers, cb. You will find that Mary, (over at EW’s place) who is wonderfully human in her lawyerly sensibilities, would likely agree.
Just so ya know.
wink, wink!
DW
I don’t know. I haven’t read it. Here’s the link to amazon. He writes about ancient societies that have collapsed. Usually there is an environmental catalyst. (What were those Easter Islanders thinking when they cut down the last tree?) But, as in my parenthetical Q, I’m wondering if he goes into how they let the obvious disaster occur. Don’t know whether he goes into that, since there’s little documentary evidence from the societies he studies.
There is recorded history to guide us.
Afghanistan has been pulling the rug out from under most anyone that has tried to help or harm them.
What about, “We don’t want you here.” does no one fathom?
Why not go the the village leaders one at a time, and ask if they want help with anything. If a village leader says for example: “A clean, reliable water supply would be desired.” After that, the leader gives the villagers a vote on the idea.
If they approve, we can then help them drill wells and conserve waters use.
Proper sanitation can be introduced. “Sir what else do the villagers want?”
“We voted, and a school would be good.”
It will be their own project and it will be done by them, and protected by them, with our assistance if requested.
I think there is a claim that the current village meetings are intended to work that way. I suspect, however, that it will be very hard to keep the political heavy hands out of what is eventually done, so that we will be more likely to repeat the failure of projecting American wants onto what we deliver.
Historically the collapse of societies have had environmental factors as fundamental to that collapse, specifically the inability of the society to react, usually because there were no replacement “options”.
More modern “theories” regarding the potential collapse of MODERN societies, maintain that so long as the “pecking order” obtains, “replacement” technologies will prevent total collapse.
Thus, as long as the deck chairs are orderly, the descent is acceptable and nothing to become alarmed about.
This is total bullshit, of course.
(These considerations are a part of my “field”, eCAHN)
DW
Thanks for this, eCAHN. Looks very interesting. Some of the high theology books I’ve read recently spend a good deal of time pointing out what Norke did in his first paragraph at #39 as a background for why Jesus went to Jerusalem that last week. To challenge those local authorities that were keeping the people down.
Unfortunately, those who are too lazy to read history probably aren’t smart enough to learn from the parallels, tho.
Not saying I’m smart, but I’m going to consider buying the book.
Fresh cross-post from David Dayen up top: NV-Sen: Saved by the Teaparty?
Interesting history of US involvement in pre-Soviet-controlled Afghanistan.
About Rostow and strategic hamlets, I have to quibble. The big proponent of strategic hamlets was Gen. John Gavin, who went to the press (especially the liberal hawk magazine The Reporter) to push his idea. If Rostow was an advocate for them, it was behind the scenes and separate from his ideas about modernization, which actually were not developed enough to provide a plan for much of anything outside national macroeconomic policy.
By 1967, Rostow’s modernization theory was discredited among development economists and not because of his association with the Johnson Vietnam War policies. It was academically thin.
After World War 2, the British and European aristocracy embarked on a campaign to capture the US upper class in order to restore their rule through American power.
They succeeded.
Now the world must suffer through a repeat of the conflagration that turned Europe into smoldering ashes in the 40s.
Or we could start fighting back.
It’s not about “left vs. right”, that is how they control us. Look to the Irish. They defeated the British at the height of their power. Look to our own Founders, who did likewise.
How can you keep them down on the farm, after they’ve seen Pa – ree?
Perhaps they will stay on the farm if they have a reliable water supply, a variety of seeds, some tools and machines. Solar and wind can divert the Corporate interests to accidentally benefit the people they exploit.
That is rather different from the “history” with which I am familiar, afterthought.
My understanding is that in the last year of WWII, certain American intellectuals began devising plans for American Domination, among them were plans to attack Russia … which the US military was being urged to consider.
Generally, among this intellectual cohort, the Europeans were neither respected nor much listened to, being regarded as effete and past their time of influence.
DW
could this be related to phase 2 (or whatever phase they are at now) of the TAPI pipeline?
Another of his blog postings seemed quite apt in describing how Afghanistan news has been generally focused on American goals rather than trying to figure out what is actually happening. In a story around Kabul he leaves interesting tidbits, that almost appear trivial in the larger context of a war oriented story.
Wonderful article. Thanks for all the effort it took to glean the nuggets from the Curtis article.
Has anyone else noticed that our enemy in Afghanistan has become the Taliban? Am I nuts? I don’t think I have seen AlQuaeda mentioned once in regard to this current adventure.
Great post, Jim. I ran out of time over the weekend and am just finished reading the post and comments now. I have the Curtis piece open in another tab for when I have time.
This reminds me of something from the last election when I was working at the polls with another person who has even more Irish dna than I do, and I noted that Afghanistan reminds me of the constant attempts to conquer the Celts in the UK over so many centuries, which were mostly unsuccessful.
He jumped right on that, since he’d seen some documentaries that demonstrated that the Celts had not just migrated from eastern Europe west and into northern Europe, but had also gone west, and into Asia, including Afghanistan. We had quite an interesting discussion about it then, but I haven’t had time to check out those videos. I may have to call and ask to borrow his.
My point, in the end, was that intervention might well be futile. The Romans were never able to conquer Scotland, and the degree to which they were successful in Ireland or Wales, etc., is certainly questionable.
And, so far, no empire has ever been successful in Afghanistan. I doubt that we will be… especially given our lack of material resources and personnel. Even with enough resources, I doubt we’d succeed.
maybe two more time, much harder, or or or maybe some things have changed or could be changed.
It does not matter “what” it is that “we” are fighting, as long as the American people are willing to accept the mythologies of war as “reasonable” or “understandable”, THOSE WHO ARE PROFITING, will, one way or another, continue to find “targets” that are “worth” pursuing.
Culturally, America “believes” it has no other choice.
This is our “future”, until others tire of it and FORCE us to stop.
The specifics matter not at all, as sanity and humanity parted with the great and wonderful “us”.
There is always, another war.
DW
Interesting history, with some details that aren’t available elsewhere. I would be as cautious of the characterization of the chain of events, and implied causality, as I would be of any of Mr. Rostow’s projects though. If you read carefully a second time, you will find that Mr. Curtis is implying that direct causality flows from an American development project to the present exactly as “modernity” was supposed to flow from scientific-technological projects.
Neither one is quite accurate, as the dam was also one factor in Afghanistan’s agricultural self-sufficiency and net-export status in the 1970s, and arguing that universities are a bad thing because they lead to revolutionaries is a leeetle bit bigoted and euro-exceptionalist.
Maybe the Arab empire should never have exported the university system to Europe, and we would have avoided World War II.
thanks. we have a great group of guys and gals in our coven and you’re welcome to drop in some time.
It sounds like whack-a-mole to me.
Afghanistan continues its civil war. Taliban vs yes we can.
Them terrerists done headed for the hills of the border regions of Pakistan.
The Drone posse is after ‘em. Special Forces don’t upset us. Have it your way.
They are in Pakistan with a different Taliban there. Yemen….
Like Chicken Man, “They’re everywhere, they’re everywhere.
The Al Qiada are ambush predators and they claim worldwide territorial rights.
Still the question of how the abstractly defined enemy that are so easily defeated by our weapons of war can fade away like the morning dew is an interesting one none-the-less. What sorts of magical powers are the Taliban-Al-Qaeda invested with that all of the technology, including spy satellites that can read license plates from space, makes this foe so effective at hiding all trace of them including their dead?
If not magic then perhaps something a bit more insidious like collusion or outright deception. Perhaps we are looking at the first one-sided war.
Krupp Steel supplied both sides with arms
from swords to cannon for years. War has always been good for business. It is “Supply Both Sides Economics”
Chimeras, being always elusive make a most wonderful foe, as they are capable of anything which we may imagine, even disappearing or ALWAYS being just beyond view.
There once was a term which covered this phenomena, most universally, it was, “Far Out!”.
So, what we are dealing with is another thing … also addressed by the lexicographers of yore, that being “something else!”
Thanks macaquerman for the invite,
Coven? more like a Den. Hit me up around Holloween, keep in touch buddy.
Indeed, we are in the process of fighting our way out of a one-sided, wet paper bag.
That is why our backsides are feeling, to use another archaic term, “Way Cool …”
tune’n’ baby, hot tune’n’
That Curtis piece is great, thanks for sharing it JW.
It all looks like another Vietnam to me, with “plan” after “plan” failing to make any real progress. The only difference is that the US only remained in Vietnam for ten years while it looks like the Afghanistan boondoggle will go on until there are just no more Afghanis to kill and the land can be sold to Wal-Mart to build slave labor factories producing cheap crap for western consumers.
that cheap crap you’re imagining still might be better than the stuff that they’re currently being made to produce and that’s sold to Iranian and European consumers.
Well how the hell can the Dutch farm on old sea beds? They use gypsum and other minerals that bind with the salt. The salt is then puled down into the soil and out of the root zone.
If you are gonna talk farmin’ ya better know somin’ about farmin’
I don’t disagree with the bad results of good intentions but it also crap that only poppes will grow in these soils. It happens to be the best cash crop but the farmers don’t make the big bucks. The middle men, like Karzai brother are beneficiaries of the drug trade.
I used to be in ag, in biological pest control for almost 15 years. Note I said poppies were “one of the few” that would grow.
The argument clinic is two doors down on the left.
no it isn’t
Yes it is.
Fantastic work Jim White. Thank you.
This is very interesting. It seems to be that 1950s style water and power (energy) style development schemes a la Lyndon (?) LaRouche and others – are all the vogue in the Obama playbook on public lands in the American West. Has someone dusted off all the old Man Conquers Nature plans?
And Morrison-Knudsen, eh? Who became Washington Group International and did — who knows what — in Iraq. And now they are URS. One stop shopping for NEPA analysis of engineered projects to destroy wild places? I am not sure what all they do.