
On September 12, at least sixteen Gainesville area pastors will read from the Quran as a response to the Gainesville church that has designated September 11 as "Burn a Koran Day". (photo of Quran at the Museum of Natural History in New York City by *Muhammad* on Flickr)
In Saturday’s New York Times, Scott Shane points out the impact of the hysteria being whipped up, primarily by Republican politicians, over the Park 51 project in New York. By falsely conflating a Muslim community center with the radical extremists who attacked the World Trade Center in 2001, these politicians are fueling recruitment for the same types of radicals:
“I know people in this debate don’t intend it, but there are consequences for these kinds of remarks,” said Brian Fishman, who studies terrorism for the New America Foundation here.
/snip/
“When the rhetoric is so inflammatory that it serves the interests of a jihadi recruiter like Awlaki, politicians need to be called on it,” Mr. Fishman said.
A Reuters article goes into more depth on the subject:
Religious scholar Aslan blames "Islamophobia" that he said was being whipped by the Republican Party establishment.
"They are making religious bigotry — just as they made anti-immigrant sentiment — part of their political platform," Aslan said. "Democrats in the most cowardly fashion have completely caved in to this challenge."
There does seem to be evidence to support Aslan’s assertion. From the same article:
Newt Gingrich, a leading Republican and possible presidential candidate, has called the proposal an "assertion of Islamist triumphalism."
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said it was "creating more division, more anger, more hatred." Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin called it "a stab in the heart of … Americans who still have that lingering pain from 9/11."
Worse still, religious "leaders" are jumping in. Franklin Graham, son of famed evangelist Billy Graham, let loose a stunning statement avowing that "the seeds of Islam" are inherited from one’s father, and so President Obama is Muslim.
In a somewhat related vein, TalkToAction.org this week provided us with documentation of the extent of radical fundamentalist Christian pressure on military troops, where failure to attend a Christian rock concert resulted in punishment at a Virginia military base:
For the past several years, two U.S. Army posts in Virginia, Fort Eustis and Fort Lee, have been putting on a series of what are called Commanding General’s Spiritual Fitness Concerts. As I’ve written in a number of other posts, "spiritual fitness" is just the military’s new term for promoting religion, particularly evangelical Christianity. And this concert series is no different.
On May 13, 2010, about eighty soldiers, stationed at Fort Eustis while attending a training course, were punished for opting out of attending one of these Christian concerts. The headliner at this concert was a Christian rock band called BarlowGirl, a band that describes itself as taking "an aggressive, almost warrior-like stance when it comes to spreading the gospel and serving God."
As if that isn’t enough, Talk To Action pointed to this article in the base newspaper praising the concert and the band:
Following the Apostle Paul’s message to the Ephesians in the Bible, Christian rock music’s edgy, all-girl band BarlowGirl brought the armor of God to the warriors and families of Fort Eustis during another installment of the Commanding General’s Spiritual Fitness Concert Series May 13 at Jacobs Theater.
With their unique heavy metal-alternative rock-contemporary Christian music blend, sisters Alyssa, Lauren and Rebecca Barlow rocked the full house of Soldiers and family members with selections from their latest project “Love & War” as well as other selections from earlier albums.
When newspapers from military bases refer to our country’s soldiers as "warriors" to whom a group is bringing "the armor of God" at the same time that one of our country’s two major political parties is leading the charge to label all of Islam as a radical, violent religion, is it any wonder that Muslims around the world get the impression that the United States is at war with Islam?
Shane’s article in the New York Times also makes passing reference to "a Florida pastor’s call for making Sept. 11 ‘Burn a Koran Day.’" Sadly, that "Burn a Koran Day" is scheduled here in Gainesville, Florida where I live. Even though the Gainesville Fire Department has denied the burn permit application, Dove World Outreach intends to carry through with its plans.
Fortunately, there is an appropriate response being planned in the Gainesville religious community. The Creative Seminole brings us a very informative interview with Larry Reimer, a Gainesville pastor (full disclosure: I am a member of United Church of Gainesille where Reimer is pastor).
Reimer’s response is embodied in the title of The Creative Semiole’s post: "If they can burn it, we can read it." Here is a portion of the interview:
When asked about how he came about with the idea, “Almost right away, members of the congregation here asked me, ‘what are we going to do about this?’ Originally, I had the intention of giving [Dove Center] no more attention in the media. But as I thought about it, I asked myself what we could do that would be effective and proactive in promoting cooperation among our religious relatives.”
I prodded further about religious relatives. “Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all part of the Abrahamic tree of faith. We all believe in the same God, and in many aspects we are all trying to accomplish the same goals. And in Islam, there are things that I think any follower of any other religion could learn from. Take prayer, for example. In Islam, one prays at least five times a day. The discipline to do that? Few of us have it. And like Christianity and Judaism, there is a strong call to love God and your neighbor.”
The Creative Seminole informs us that Reimer will have at least fifteen Gainesville area clergy join him in reading from the Quran on September 12.
Later on in the interview, Reimer hits on a description of how American religious fundamentalists are misrepresented as mainstream in the foreign press much the same way as our press gives in too often to the radical right’s attempts to portray all of Islam as typical of the radicals who attacked the US:
Then I ask him why he thinks these negative attitudes toward Islam exist. “The average American inherently assumes that Islam is violent and decidedly anti-American because we haven’t taken the time to experience Islam from an individual perspective or as a faith up close. A friend of mine was in Egypt when news of Dove Outreach’s Qur’an burning hit, and he told me that it was represented as mainstream Christianity, much in the same way that the violent acts we hear about here are represented as mainstream Islam. Here, Islam is still associated with terrorism. The acts of September 11th were not acts that were Islamic in nature. They were acts of fanatical extremists. And fanaticism is not confined to any one faith. I think that there’s no better time than September 12th to remind ourselves of this, and to read from Qur’an in worship to point out how much we really do have in common.”
Sadly, the Gainesville pastors who are attempting to remove the stigma from Islam will not get the level of press coverage that Dove World Outreach will get, but I very much appreciate their attempt to provide a deeper understanding to their congregations.
Update August 22: There are now over 25 Gainesville area religious groups that will participate in the reading on September 12. Readings will be from the Bible, Torah and Quran.



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Isn’t that the idea? Isn’t that what’s happening in the USA? Are we not in a war with Islam?
Yes, I know: YOU are not, nor am I, nor do many citizens feel that way or want that to be the reality.
But all of these “incidents” keep building and building, and is it not what the MIC, the PTB, and our corporate overlords want? Now the troops allegedly (fingers crossed: not counting mercenaries and such) are “leaving” Iraq – whatever that means. Can invading Iran not be far behind???
Ginning & fomenting hatred and vitriol and fear over Muslims: it’s working. And via the church. Witness Franklin Graham (demon seed of his anti-semitic father) calling Obama a Muslim this week… that was NO accident, and nor is this Q’uran burning, or the ginned up nonsense about the Parc51 center. All of a piece.
Thanks for the post.
The people who are burning the Quran are scum. They must be ostracized. Shunned. No decent human being should speak to them or do business with them. They must be treated like an outbreak of Ebola.
From a message of love and tolerance, the church has turned too often lately into a burning bush of another sort, in a crusade against the very neighbor we are supposed to care for, help, and in some biblical verses, serve.
Onitgoes is exactly right; the Christian Dominionist movement has gone “mainstream,” and is literally popping up everywhere; worse, they no longer bother to be sneaky about it.
Thom Hartmann interviewed the guy from the ironically named “Dove World Outreach” on his radio show yesterday; what a deluded, frothing asshole. He blabbered on about Sharia Law and the usual inflammatory horseshit, repeatedly saying that Islam was the devil, and the Bible says book-burnings are A-OK.
He clearly thought God had him on speed-dial. Sheesh.
Great article, Jim… Keep us posted when the event happens; I’m sure JWNN will be covering it.
Thanks, Hag. Yes, I may get to put my new FlipCam to work on that one if family travel doesn’t get in the way.
Great post Jim. The ACLU needs to get on the Ft Eustis Commanding General’s Spiritual Fitness Concert Series which is in clear violation of the separation between church and state. The Army and SECDEF should as well. You should consider sending this to a member of congress who could conduct an inquiry into the far too numerous religious violations that are pervading our military whose members swear to defend our constitution not violate it.
We need desperately to love more and hate less.
On our deathbeds, will we think back to all the people we hated with a vengeance?
Or will we think of those we loved and who loved us?
I’m so grateful for the pastors who are doing the readings. This is loving and touches me deeply. Thank you Jim.
Once again we are forced to defend basic American constitutional rights from the crazies. What kind of country is this?
Tremendous, Pastors of Gainesville!
Want to show the world that we embrace a pluralist society, and drive the haters nuts?
Just do it.
One where the inmates are running the asylum.
Itching for their “end-times” war, aided and abetted by politicians of both party’s simply by ignoring them, used by corporate america, providing a home to racists and bigots of all stripes, treated too kindly by the media, we reap what we sow. One need look further than South Africa’s election of the National Party in 1948 that began a long history of apartheid and discrimination against all non-whites to get an idea of how long it may take to stop this craziness. These are delusional and dangerous people.
I find it interesting that the Reuters article chose to say this about George W. Bush:
I don’t remember Bush doing this “repeatedly”. I recall a very good statement from him very early after the attack and then it seemed to me that he not only stood back while the hatriots fanned the flames, but even added to them, as quickly as September 16, 2001:
[emphasis added]
I am surprised this is not being reported by the media. http://www.nbc.com/news/2010/08/06/pastor-terry-jones-arrested-for-child-pornography/ He is the pastor who is/was organizing the Quran burning.
Some cautious googling is in order.
But this just makes one itch all over.
Margaret!!
Ya did it again. great comment..
Ok Jim we expect the Crazy from the GOP but I’m worried that they will adapt rational plans to help people on jobs, people losing their homes, stuff regular people car about.
Is the GOP doing any of that Burn a Quran is not exactly the first thing that comes to mind as helping me.
Does anyone know if the GOP has any popular stands on the issues the majority of voters care about?
Are the Dems running as no ideas but at least we are not crazy?
Given that Bush lost both wars you would think the Fundies would be backing away from this.
I think the rest of the world long ago (like less than a year after 9/11) realized the U.S. was at war with Islam. In fact, a sizable percentage of the rest of the world probably realized it long before 9/11, by watching U.S. policy toward Israel. Just because U.S. bias isn’t covered by U.S. media doesn’t mean it isn’t covered elsewhere.
All the more recent vitriol against Muslims has done is write OBL’s tapes for the next two decades.
I think the GOP is trying to spread Hate but just who except the Crazy care? We should counter the GOP on this strongly but unless there is a terrorist attack the GOP is running on No issues this election.
An election where Jobs and Homes are on everyone’s minds.
I’m afraid I have to agree with newtonusr @9. If he really had been arrested, it would be everywhere on the news. I think that somehow people conflated two stories that were adjacent to each other on a list from the Gainesville ABC station:
Yes just Like Elvis and Tupac, Ossama will live for decades pretty good for a guy in a kidney machine in a cave.
I’m sure we can count on more tapes springing up for years.
“I know people in this debate don’t intend it, but there are consequences for these kinds of remarks,”
Oh, they intend it alright.
Stay klassy, Riyadh:
You might consider your own advice.
I guess that’s the OT eye-for-an-eye thingy.
And we fight to protect them and their freedom’s this is all about oil.
Stop you will start giving our Fundies ideas/s
The day the Republican Party used a charge of homophobia against the Left for pummeling Gannon/Guckert, they proved the following: They really DO have ALL OF the ideas over there.
The vitriolic nature of the rhetoric against Islam and immigrants is different fruit of the same poisoned tree. That tree is xenophobia and what you are hearing is the anguished scream of the death of the Protestant white majority.
The demographics have changed and any attempt to try to time-warp the country back to 1980 will fail because, when people look for the enemy and see it in the mirror, they realize they have been told a lie. The fact that conservatives do not realize this is reassuring. The fact that they continue to try and sell it is self-defeating.
The most disturbing aspect of this tempest in a teapot is the Democrats who pander to this palaver. Some may genuinely be Islamaphobes. All are definitely politicians.
As for the close ties between force elements and Christianity, did you really believe “Onward Christian Soldiers” was a new hymn? That the message is now couched in hard rock is tailoring–nothing more.
Conservatives are driving a stake through their own heart although their demise may take a little while. The world is not naive enough to believe that all of us are like Franklin Graham.
I’m a big advocate of the wheel coming ’round. In this case, the wheel is the globe.
Our emphasis, as a country, needs to be on doing the right thing. No one wants to do it but everyone knows what it is.
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Demographics aren’t destiny. Rich white men ruled over huge majorities of black & brown people in the rest of the world for long periods of time. Men still rule over women everywhere. This is part of a plan they still get to do it in the U.S. for the foreseeable future, by intimidating the ‘other.’ Look at the senate, for criminy sake; does it represent the demographics of U.S. in any way shape or form?
That story went away quick Gay Ho gets into the White House I thought the FBI did background checks someone in the anti gay Bush WH got him in.
Rich White Males and people dependent on Government and or Corporate handouts same as the House. I’ve seen more diversity in small town America.
Um, no.
There.
I’d like to see a human chain around the church on the day they burn their Korans — of people holding Bibles.
However, if they think burning another religion’s holy book is a good idea, I’m sure this sect of Christians are all gun-toting “hawks,” so maybe it’s not such a good idea.
Heavy metal christian rock music!!?? How long before they combine the religion with skinhead nazi values and religion. “I AM AN AMERICAN”!! I will not live in fear of any religion nor will I ever show it. When I wore the uniform for this country I wore it to defend the rights of assholes like the KKK who murdered many people because of their skin color to express their opinion freely. This had nothing to do with religion. It was all about hatred for them. Now these men without balls are trying to put the fear of another culture into our hearts. Forget it I aint buying it. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. 911 hurt. But we are still here. If you are “AFRAID”,then by all means, run and hide. You will not win my vote by showing fear and losing faith in what America is. We have each other. We don’t need you. We want leaders that will stand and support our guiding principles. Of which, apparently, you have none. GOP= Grimy old pussies.
It was reported that the local fire marshal said that there would not be any burning, Qur’an or otherwise. I thought that was interesting.
Joe Mc Carthy must be looking up from Hell and thinking, good thing there still some fools willing to do my bidding.
Actually demographics are destiny. They just take a little while to play out.
The Senate’s days, as an ‘old boys club’, are over. Do you really believe that, in Byrd’s heyday, talk of changing the Senate rules would have any real traction? Look at the Supreme Court. Gender has already won. Ethnicity is on the inside track. The Senate’s monolithic white unisex nature is more a reflection of the influence of money on politics than anything else.
De-emphasize the ability of business to influence elections and the pendulum will start to swing back. Business likes to look in the mirror.
If the Democrats were either smart or moral, they would push immigration reform hard. It’s a tough sell during a recession and it’s particularly difficult when your caucus is composed of jellyfish, but, by 2030, Latins will be a larger minority than African-Americans. Rove knew this. Bush 43′s push for immigration reform wasn’t philanthropic.
But converting millions of people to taxpayers and making them feel welcome is a winner all the way ’round. It just has to be done without giving the conservatives any talking points about amnesty. There are few things more powerful than economic competition.
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Certainly the neo-cons during the Bush administration and now chant the term they created: “Islamo-fascism at every opportunity..
Everybody has known for a long time that religious extemists are the most vile of the vile. People would talk about them in hushed tones much like they would talk about any insane person. Unfortunately the MSM has given them a forum to spew their vicious hate speech, as if it was news or an important viewpoint. Call out these ignorant inbred cretins. Make them shut their hate puking pie holes. Enough is enough.
Possibly the strangest part of the Cordoba House exercise – the words of Mayor Bloomberg are still the best I have heard.
Evil is a convenience and spreading disharmony is easy. The act of a coward.
To create harmony out of chaos is far more difficult and is more like the work of a saint.
I discovered this crowd, that is turned over a rock and discovered them, when I looked into the prohibition of pot. It is one of their issues, as are many other prejudices against muslims or black people. Least we forget, most black muslims in America are ‘radicals’ who were converted in jail. Maybe that is who Lawrence O’Doddered was worried about becoming legitimate by (gasp) paying taxes.
This is not a new situation. It is just new to the American ‘consciousness’ – what big media will allow us to talk about. The military was totally blatant about it when Bush was president, but all he had to do to throw everybody off track was to give a lot of lip service to Islam, as a distraction, and the media just ate it up.
Their wall of sound on that was more or less unquestioned since questioning it resulted in helicopters with machine guns showing up or being treated like Reverend Wright. Funny how no one is asking if he is a Christian, after all Obama showed every sign of being what ever he was until it was too politically embarrassing for a guy that was running for president. I bet he would be doing a lot better now if he still had Wright on his team.
Gee, where might they get that idea? Do they read FDL?
Google before you scratch, unlike the vast majority of posters I see responding to the over 200,000 Google hits on this Including FDL, of course. Plenty of people will believe it forever, no matter what, thanks to folks who’ll gleefully post smears that appeal to them and couldn’t care less about accuracy.
The kind where we (A) have Constitutional rights, and (B) fight to defend them. Would you prefer a different kind?
shame is a powerful tool. Dems need to do more of that with conservativism. Make repubilicans be so ashamed of the term that they want to find a new name to call themsleves like liberals have.
Yep, we’re busted. FDL is THE go-to media source in Egypt. How did you know?
While I hold no particular animus towards Islam, I think that some of the defense of this religion is pure balderdash. If you look at the nations of the middle east and see how their citizens are abused by the theistic states (particularly women and gays) you might not be reading their so-called “Ho;y Book” in Gainesville. The abuse of women and gays is not isolated to the “extremists.” It is a part of the whole cloth of the religion, and has been adopted by virtually all of the governments with major Islamic populations. True, Turkey has been able, in fits and starts, to somewhat avoid the grossest excesses of theocracy, but it is exceptional.
There will be those who will say that Christian and Jewish fundamentalists are equally bigoted and twisted. That is true, but it doesn’t clean the slate for Islam. Religions that stone women for infidelity (not the men), that kill gays because they embarrass their families, that leave women as second-class citizens and impose their religions on all the other people of their state, don’t need my defense.
If you want to argue for the community center on behalf of freedom of religion, I complete agree with you. All religions should be treated equally, despite the nonsense of their superstitions. However, I don’t think a case can be made, though, that there is anything benign about Islam.
I’m confused by the ACLU stand on this, which is in support of the mosque. A few years back they filed suit to stop a Christian memorial to Katrina victims on private land because it was alongside a public waterway: passers-by might see it and be offended.
Is there a difference between that case and this one?
Well, I sure hope so, since otherwise taking opposite positions on such similar cases might be construed as the result of religious bigotry.
My opinion (offered for free and worth every penny) is that the spirit of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act should be followed because (A) it’s the law, and (B) that particular one is a damn good law that actually protects Constitutional freedoms.