Almost a month ago, The Guardian was warning that the Afghanistan “peace talks”, which General David Petraeus was claiming to aid by transporting key Taliban figures, had “less than meets the eye“. However, on Tuesday, the New York Times revealed that the “key” figure who had been meeting with NATO and Afghan officials was not Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, who is believed to be second in command in the Taliban behind Mullah Omar. In fact, the Washington Post went so far as to point out that the imposter was “a lowly shopkeeper from the Pakistani city of Quetta.” This development is a remarkable setback for Petraeus and NATO, especially because there have been so many claims about the famed “biometric database” that has been developed for rapid identification of insurgents. The equipment used in this endeavor has been given the rather unfortunate acronym “HIDE”, for Handheld Interagency Detection Equipment. Because of HIDE, it will be very difficult for Petraeus to hide from the failure of his intelligence operatives to determine that “Mansour” was an impostor.
Here is The Guardian warning us about the negotiations in late October:
Recent widely-reported contacts between senior Taliban and the Kabul government have little to do with a peace settlement and involve scarcely more than exchanges of cash and prisoners, diplomats and observers have told the Guardian.
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Nato officials spoke of meetings with four Taliban commanders, including a top member of the movement claiming to express its “collective will” with the approval of its leader, Mullah Omar.
The US and Nato commander in Afghanistan, General David Petraeus, even said his forces had facilitated the talks by allowing Taliban officials to fly to the meetings in safety.
But according to officials briefed on the talks, there is, in the words of one source, “less than meets the eye”.
Just as predicted by The Guardian, the facade of the “negotiations” then fell when the New York Times made its revelation:
For months, the secret talks unfolding between Taliban and Afghan leaders to end the war appeared to be showing promise, if only because of the appearance of a certain insurgent leader at one end of the table: Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, one of the most senior commanders in the Taliban movement.
But now, it turns out, Mr. Mansour was apparently not Mr. Mansour at all. In an episode that could have been lifted from a spy novel, United States and Afghan officials now say the Afghan man was an impostor, and high-level discussions conducted with the assistance of NATO appear to have achieved little.
“It’s not him,” said a Western diplomat in Kabul intimately involved in the discussions. “And we gave him a lot of money.”
Adding insult to injury, the Washington Post informs us of the true identity of the imposter:
A man purporting to be one of the Taliban’s most senior commanders convinced both Afghan President Hamid Karzai and the NATO officials who flew him to Afghanistan’s capital for meetings, but two senior Afghan officials now believe the man was a lowly shopkeeper from the Pakistani city of Quetta.
His daring ruse has flummoxed those attempting to start a peace process with a determined Taliban adversary.
“He was a very clever man,” one of the officials said.
It would appear that Petraeus and his team are finding “clever” to be in very short supply on their side of the negotiating table.
A role for Pakistan’s intelligence agency, ISI, in this ruse cannot be ruled out. It should be recalled that the previous number two in command of the Taliban, Abdul Ghani Baradar, was “arrested” (by ISI, with CIA help) when he was reputed to be in peace negotiations back in January.
Whether he was duped by the Taliban, ISI or just a clever shopkeeper, Petraeus has suffered yet another massive blow to his credibility just before the next Afghanistan strategy session scheduled for the Obama administration. How many failures will Petraeus be allowed before he is sent to an early retirement?



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Yesterday I’d read where after another TSA fail — a bad demo of the pat-down process in front of members of Congress — a staffer asked why we are funding intelligence if everybody will be treated like a criminal anyhow.
This gross error by Petraeus’ team offers further validation that we’re not getting what we are paying for in intelligence; we’re not safer nor are we closer to getting out of Afghanistan.
This situation also makes it clear that consolidating intelligence into DIA should be reconsidered.
For months Mullah Omar, who leads the Taliban, has said that the Taliban was NOT in negotiations with the puppet government set up by the United States in Kabul. Anyone who has been following this American war of occupation in Afghanistan knows that Mullah Omar stripped Mansour of his power and kicked him out of the Taliban on December 29, 2007. The war in Afghanistan is a shell game and Obama is moving the shells all around the table having long ago stuffed the pea in his pocket. Long live the neocon warmongers. Peace
Imposter or Impostor?
Decisions, decisions.
The word intelligence is a one-word antonym: a word which means one thing and also the exact opposite.
“A house of mirrors or hall of mirrors is a traditional attraction at funfairs (carnivals) and amusement parks. The basic concept behind a house of mirrors is to be a maze-like puzzle. In addition to the maze, participants are also given mirrors as obstacles, and glass panes to parts of the maze they cannot yet get to.
Sometimes the mirrors may be distorted because of different curves, convex, or concave in the glass to give the participants unusual and confusing reflections of themselves.
In fiction, battles sometimes take place within a hall of mirrors. This is a great way to symbolically show the trickery potential of a villain. ”
In reality as well.
I know people who worked for DIA. The general consensus among them is that DIA could screw up a one-car funeral. Yet because it’s Defense! and National Security! they get free passes forever.
When did we start being at war with the Taliban rather than El Quaeda. MiIssion creep? As to the Afghani grifter who obviously conned Petraeus into passing him some cash, it’s priceless. He should sign up with Sarah Palin and start Grifters, Inc
It is comforting to know the Lion of Iraq is now leading the effort in Afghanistan with such obvious élan.
Winning isn’t everything, obviously. Being there must be what matters.
maybe we could get Chauncey Gardner to help!
Cannot hide? He has darn a fine job of hiding everything for…since forever. But this is a relationship problem, with the ISI. So Admiral Mullen will have to go back and beg them to forgive us again. We will give the ISI more money if they do.
A few more visits and Admiral Mullen will win the War for General Betrayus, against the Pakistan supported Taliban.
He’s holding out for an executive gig at Goldman Sachs.
Somebody needs to write the book: “The Myth of Patreaus.” This guy is the most over-rated dumbass in America’s policy elite.
Wonder what SNL will do with this one.
Can’t add anything to this!
I’m sure that our intelligence for selecting targets for predator strikes is much better than the intelligence we rely on when confronting someone face to face over many meetings./
He’s been an abject failure at everything he’s done, but because he’s willing to kiss ass, the powers that be dearly love him. It’s really disgusting.
Same goes for the night raid targets, too.
Not a big deal. If they hit the wrong target, the desk jockeys in Nevada only have to press the Undo key.
The ritual is such an obscenity.
At least once a week, or thereabout, another episode of The Amazing Fail is aired. And after every episode, the elected idiots spin on TV, eventually finding words which encourage tabloid journalists to become bored. As oddly-too-loud clapping closes the episode, the next installment of Confusing The Issues, starring Mr. and Mrs. Loyal Opposition, comes on TV.
“THe biometric database.”
Jesus H. Christ…
Another Orwellian wet-dream fantasy.
Does HIDE come with a money-back guarantee?
Or at least an in-store credit?
They keep saying that they “gave him a lot of money”… Any idea how much? Was it another cash football like they used to toss around in Iraq?
Not a fantasy. All too real:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/27/us-army-biometric-data-afghanistan
Coming to you at your nearest airport any day now. Insomuch as the X-ray scanner and group search are so unpopular. Peace
Millions. Peace
Spot on, Jim and JimBowski;
Petraeus’ reputation is based on the fact that he worked up the bribe system for the Sunni insurgents that worked well enough to allow Bush to get out of his fuckup and pretend that some corner had been turned. As we’re now seeing in Iraq, it was, and is, bullshit.
IF Obama sticks to his plan to get all of our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2011 (and who wants to bet that way?) all those billions of “carrots” won’t be worth spit when the factions start flexing their street muscles again.
It’s the same in Afghanistan, ANY “stability” that we impose there using either money or wartoys will disappear in direct proportion to how many troops we pull out.
If we pull them out.
Right now, all the balloons floating around have the words:
“Permanent occupation!” printed on them.
He may have been a complete fraud who pulled the wool over the best intelligence we can send to the Middle East, but at least we gave him large sums of untraceable cash.
Call for Gen. Petraeus! It’s Gen. George Patton wanting to give you some advice! Honest, it’s him!
James O Keefe as Mansour
that’s where I’m headed anyway :D
Let’s not give the guy too much credit. Any bum could have pulled it off.
Is Petraeus a millionaire yet? Peace
Any military commander worth a crap knows you never put soldiers in a situation dependent on high-tech solutions.
High-tech solutions always fail in the mud and duck and muck. All you can be sure of working in the field is a soldier and his rifle.
LMAO!
That’s not a pimp coat, it’s a burka!
Petraeus could not fight his way out of a wet paper bag. The only reason he is in control is because he is a kiss ass.
FIRE THE DUMB FUCK.
Abscam 2.0
I’m outraged. Why are the NYT & WaPo allowed to publish such anti-American articles?????
What is anti-American about printing the truth. Ben Franklin would object to your thinking. Peace
I thought the snark would be obvious & not require a tag.
But according to officials briefed on the talks, there is, in the words of one source, “less than meets the eye”.
Well, that’s certainly a well deserved snide understatement. So, I wonder how many millions of dollars in cash our ass-kissing little chickenshit desperately shoveled to this dude so that he could claim that he was making progress toward a peaceful solution to the war?
Or, did he orchestrate this elaborate con game of fake peace negotiations to create the appearance of something “positive” to report to Congress and the President next month to buy more time to produce some “real” progress?
Personally, I prefer the story behind Door #1 because I think it’s hilarious that a supposedly stupid, poor, and uneducated shop keeper could punk the so-called mighty Lion of Iraq. That’s sweet. Real sweet to savor.
But the story behind Door #2, if true, indicates a conniving ass-kissing little chickenshit who is unfit to serve in the officer corps, let alone as our Big Enchilada in Afghanistan.
My oh my! What will our deceitful Commander in Chief with a jello spine do now?
Tune in again next week for the continuing saga. Same bat time. Same bat channel.
Saying “heh, heh” to end my comment seemed just as unnecessary. Peace
Probably a little bit of both. I doubt that Pet is competent enough to recognize a shopkeeper from an insurgency leader, but the need for propagandizing the U.S. public certainly makes him & the prez willing to bill their ‘talks’ as genuine & not think too carefully about who’s at the table.
Our entire political class is an abject failure, not just Obama. Peace
And the next prez of the U.S.
Pretty amazing to observe the collapse of an empire close up & personal.
I suppose there might be a Door #3 behind which a double con took place in which the incredibly fierce Lion recruited the apparent schmo to create the appearance of ongoing serious negotiations, only to have the schmo con him by keeping the money and blowing the whistle on him.
Delicious.
Meanwhile, the war continues to drain our treasure and accomplish nothing positive as the United States indiscriminately slaughters innocent people with drones to the ponderous rhythm of the thumping war drum.
Now, look, while y’all making snide and nasty remarks about Petraeus and DIA and what’all ever, you’re completely missing the money making opportunities. Could I, for instance, masquerade as a suitably high ranking Taliban figure, disguised, of course, as a senior, overweight, white female, and walk away with wads of cash? Unemployed as I am, and taking to heart the advice of some who obviously know the score about these things, I am always on the lookout for entrepreneurial opportunities, starting my own businesses, pulling together whatever I have to to make a buck, etc. I see possibilities in this situation.
I voted for Obama for what he said he was going to do. He forgot to tell us that the *real* plan was to make sure that he was going to be the only black president ever! Unless he does something that is really good, say like STANDING UP TO THE FUCKING RETARDS THAT WANT TO MAKE AMERICA INTO THE UNITED CORPORATIONS OF AMERICA.
Hey, covered with a burka, you might be able to pull it off. Let us know how it works for you.
Ain’t dat the truth!
Like watching Keystone Cops, except this is real and they are slaughtering people.
Disgusting.
Sickening.
Tragic.
I think we should all get real Biblical right about now. The whore of Babyalon and so on. Peace
You actually expected more from a capitalist who raised a billion dollars for his campaign on Wall Street? Really???? Peace
For some reason, your comment reminded me of the scene in Blazing Saddles with Gene Wilder and Cleavon Little disguised as KKK members interviewing Harvey Korman for a job . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lj056ao6GE
“Qualifications?”
“Stampeding cattle”
“Thats not much of a crime”
“Through The Vatican”
“KINKYYY”
Followed by furious rubbing and the classic line,
“See, its coming off.”
The use of drones is especially bothersome to me. If war is going to be waged, then it is supposed to be hell. Using drones reduces the hell of war to a level more like playing Call of Duty on a game console.
And now that America is using drones along the US-Mexico border, how long will it be before those drones begin dropping bombs? I think it’s inevitable, as long as drones continue being used here.
Will we get a General to lead our war in the Domestic Theater?
Ha ha. Alex Tribek had that category on Jeopardy last night, “Contra-nyms.” However, the word intelligence was not one of those used. (:>
And sometimes the automatic rifles get so hot from firing off so many rounds that they jam and won’t work anymore basically leaving the soldier defenseless.
But he’s not inside a wet paper bag!
Come to think of it, he probably belongs in one.
Let’s drone this impostor!
Or someone very like him. Or a wedding of similarly-hued individuals, at least.
Hopefully this means that Petraeus lost his chances of ever becoming president!
“How many failures will Petraeus be allowed before he is sent to an early retirement?”
114. Exactly.
Perhaps I shouldn’t but I find this hilarious. The Big Dude in Afghanistan negotiates and hands over money to a complete phony! You couldn’t make this up. Just what he deserves.
Please tell me this was number 115.
Obama is not Lincoln, who fired generals until he found Grant.
“It’s not him,” said a Western diplomat in Kabul intimately involved in the discussions. “And we gave him a lot of money.”
The neo-cons are dumb deep down. They would be funny if they were not drenched in blood.
Jim White,
Most news accounts report that the senior Taliban commander, who turned out to be an impostor, was given lots of money to meet with Afghan government officials and NATO. But after speaking with New York Times correspondent Dexter Filkins about this (see link below), Melissa Block of NPR ends with this statement: “White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said today that no U.S. money went to the individual [the impostor] in question.”
So either the folks at NPR are reporting the truth, or they are helping the Pentagon put a positive spin on the Afghan War. But given that NPR is nearly as bad as Fox News in churning out war propaganda, I suspect the latter to be the case.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131548561