
How will Petraeus try to convince Obama that he shouldn't be fired at the next Afghan review? (ISAFMedia photo)
On Tuesday we learned that the much-heralded “peace talks” NATO orchestrated between the Afghan government and Taliban officials had included several meetings with an impostor claiming to be Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour. This news appeared to place General David Petraeus in a very bad light, as he had even been described as having “facilitated the talks by allowing Taliban officials to fly to the meetings in safety.” Little wonder, then, that the Washington Post felt obligated to engage in some Petraeus image rehabilitation. They happily did so today by trying to place the blame for the impostor on the British. The New York Times was quite happy to join in on this effort, contributing a “no comment” from British intelligence and quoting a passage from the Post article describing “the British as more aggressive than the Americans in pushing for a political settlement to end the war.”
Here’s the Post placing blame on the Brits:
President Hamid Karzai’s chief of staff on Thursday said that British authorities were responsible for bringing a Taliban impostor into the presidential palace and that foreigners should stay out of delicate negotiations with the Afghan insurgent group.
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“This shows that this process should be Afghan-led and fully Afghanized,” Daudzai said. “The last lesson we draw from this: International partners should not get excited so quickly with those kind of things. . . . Afghans know this business, how to handle it. We handle it with care, we handle it with a result-based approach, with very less damage to all the other processes.”
The episode has embarrassed Afghan and Western officials, and it has undercut the notion circulated earlier this year by senior U.S. officials that there was some momentum toward possible peace talks.
Not to be outdone, the Times piled on to the Brits:
Authorities in London withheld a formal response on Friday to a reported accusation by a senior Afghan official that the British introduced an impostor posing as a high Taliban commander into the presidential palace in Kabul to meet President Hamid Karzai.
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Asked to comment on the report on Friday, a spokeswoman for the British Foreign Office in London said only: “We do not comment on operational matters.”
But even the Times felt obligated to note that the Brits are hardly independent actors in Afghanistan:
Only last month, Sir John Sawers, the head of Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, known as MI6, highlighted cooperation between British and American spy agencies “an especially powerful contributor to U.K. security.”
With the next formal assessment of “progress” in Afghanistan quickly approaching, it will be very interesting to see what other actions will be taken in order to paint Petraeus as anything other than the abject failure that he is.



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Petraeus : “We’re going to keep fighting the Vietnam War until we win!”
One, two, three, what are we fightin’ for? Don’t tell me I don’t give a damn! Next stop is Viet Nam … Ain’t no time to wonder why, whoopee we’re all gonna die.
Actually, Obama needs to keep Petraeus in the hot seat until it is too late (it pretty much is already) for him to be a contender in 2012. Generals that don’t win their war don’t get elected. Petraeus may have been able to convince enough people that he “won” Iraq, but now he has Afghanistan hung around his neck, and that is the very definition of unwinnable.
If it were not so sad and pitiful on our part, it would be funny. Of course, they will blame any and all aside from themselves.
This war biz is a complete farce. We have constant surveilance of sat, cell, ground imaging, etc. Tell me why nobody can find the terrorists? Nine years of warring and borrowing for war is stupidity. This entire way of fighting a terror group is demeaning to our country and military. The rest of the world sees that we cannot do what we have claimed in years past as the world’s greatest military.
No doubt they also lost the Eludium Q-36 Thermonuclear Exploding Space Modulator.
And be sure to read Glenn Greenwald today. Yipee! We set the record! We’ve been in Afghanistan longer than the Soviets were.
Link: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/26/afghanistan/index.html
According to wikipedia, Alexander the Great “subdued” Afghanistan in three years (after knocking off Persia in six months).
General Petraeus, you are no Alexander.
And spent more money long ago I’ll bet. Yay! We win! Take that Russians….?
General Patraeus, you are no Alexander but seem to be working on being a King Pyrrhus.
Hey, why all the criticism of St. Dave? The flagged-draped Savior can do no wrong.
And I’m sure the Republicans in Congress will soon adopt a resolution condemning any such criticism, their stated objections to wasting time on honorifics aside.
Hey, it’s ‘Mo Money’! Corporations and other biz is failing and will collapse on this current road within three years. Where else are the repugs gonna get their funds from?
Ouch! That article has a real stinger! Many thanks for the link.
The MIC: Too Big to Fail™
KPFK LA has an interesting weekly show called Uprising. Worth checking out. Very interesting show with Reese Erlich, author of Conversations with Terrorists, in late Oct.
Home: http://uprisingradio.org/home/
Erlich: http://uprisingradio.org/home/index.php?s=erlich
If only he were a bit younger, and gay.
Shouldn’t Petraeus have staff who can get background checks of some kind?
Isn’t there an intelligence group in his Army?
Or does he just take people’s words for who and what they are?
Thanks for Greenwald linky Jim, and Erlich linky, SoDrag
damn, Glenzilla is en. fuego.
“Shouldn’t Petraeus have staff who can get background checks of some kind?”
They ran the guy through DMV.
Why do these guys like Pet. and McChry. just look like grinning little boys? Who are they grinning to please? Gives me some optimism that real, intelligent men are not choosing to fight these days.
Well, if Obama had given Petraeus ALL of the troops he asked for this never would have happened. /s
Military intelligence is an oxymoron and FUBAR.
General Betray-us is an ass-kissing chicken shit.
Jim, that photograph is priceless. Their body language speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
‘Failure’, schmailure! He convinced the entire MICC that a surge would work and we could ‘win’. It’s even conceivable that he had a hand in getting the billions for construction of more and bigger bases, a new airport, expanding Bagram Prison, building more embassies and expanding others in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Sounds like ‘success’ to me. He is so popular in this country, he could arguably write his own ticket to anything or any position!
Petraeus shouldn’t be fired. He’s getting the worst punishment a military man can have right now — commanding in a war that is a lost cause. And he shouldn’t expect to come out of this with the reputation of Robert E. Lee. Petreaus is the William Westmoreland of Iraq and Afghanistan. It’s a two-fer.
The main question is how long until he tells the boss the truth about the situation.
“The main question is how long until he tells the boss the truth about the situation.”
No, THD, the main question is how long until he stabs Obama in the back. Petraeus will NOT take the fall here. He IS Robert E. Lee.
Excuse me, that would be:
General Betray-us is an ass-kissing LITTLE chicken shit.
Short answer … never.
“Sir, if you just give us more resources and more time, we can accomplish the mission!” (whatever that is)
Good work, Jim.
strategic communication — turning crises into opportunities
The Pentagon definition of strategic communication
The US Army definition
I have to think that was what the McCrystal thing was about … he didn’t want to take the fall.
Absolutely, you think he’s going to allow the first Socialist, foreign born, Muslim president to hand him his first “defeat?”
That’s right Glenn. We can always afford more slaughter. Helping people on the other hand? That wouldn’t be very Christian….Glennzilla is a national treasure who ironically can’t live here. “Land of the free” indeed.
His boss is a first class IDIOT if he doesn’t know the truth. Not only that but he’s derelict in his duty as CiC.
So pointless. I don’t know how these people can live with themselves.
Thanks. For further reading:
http://my.firedoglake.com/jimwhite/2010/04/05/mcchrystals-employment-of-military-deception/
Be sure to see the nifty figure I found describing the “Deception Execution Cycle”.
Golden parachutes no doubt make that oh so much easier.
Ruth Calvo has a fresh cross-post ready: Back to School: Cheating U.
Schumer is in which government? If he’s forgotten who’s paying his salary, maybe he needs to retire.
Well it’s one, two, three,
Coupe duh eeetat time.
Don’t ask me I don’t give a dime,
It’s coupe duh eeetat time.
And it’s four, five, six,
Open up a box of ticks.
Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
Well, come on general, let’s move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out, get those moslems
‘Cause the only good moslem is the one that’s dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we’ve blown ‘em all to kingdom come.
And it’s one, two, three,
Coupe duh eeetat time.
Don’t ask me I don’t give a dime,
It’s coupe duh eeetat time.
And it’s four, five, six,
Open up a box of ticks.
Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/c/countryjoeandthefish6021/vietnamsong374192.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zdH09mWVF8&feature=related
“Where was the kaboom?”
Sentor Chuck Schumer:
“You know, my name …. comes from the word shomer, guardian, watcher. My ancestors were guardians of the ghetto wall in Chortkov. And I believe Hashem [Orthodox for God] actually gave me that name. One of my roles, very important in the United States senate, is to be a shomer — to be a or the shomer Yisrael. And I will continue to be that with every bone in my body …”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/schumer-im-on-a-mission-f_b_560091.html
I would not blame Petraeus for this so much as the senselessness of the war itself, which guarantees defeat regardless of who is leading the charge.
We cannot win the war without Pakistani supply routes, intelligence, and military cooperation. There. The war is lost already.
More international villains on display and being rotated on a daily basis.
Really? Always an excuse for this creep and our failed military policies. What’s your excuse for the BushCheney Crime Syndicate’s lies and going into Afghanistan & Iraq in the first place? Ask Chinseky about number of troops needed for success in Iraq to begin with. Did you protest his ouster because he made Rumsfield & his idiots look stupid? Both of these wars need to closed down NOW and war profiteers put out of business! Time for a f***king reality check: we don’t have the money to maintain our reckless, incompetent military with its attendent dreams of empire! It has done nothing but drain our coffers & make us LESS safe & hated around the world!
Petraeus has been gulled and was part of the latest debacle in this intelligence failure. His inability to assess this certainly damages his trumped up image as an invincable warrior.
He is losing in Afghanistan and we’re being conned.
Obama changes the withdrawal dates when it pleases him.
We spend billions a month to lose this war and Obama continues to believe this is ok? There is no strategy for winning and we clearly need to get out as there will be more fiascos fro General Big.
trackin123
thanks. we need to close these wars down but Obama is part of the military industrial complex controlling the situation.
billions down the drain and death and the maimed are our inheritance?
The Boss is either afraid to confront or has been conned into pursuing thes failed and disastrous military escapades.
The American Empire is failing to lead and our leaders are compromised by fear. Our country has been gulled into thinking these long costly losers are necessary to our national defense which is baloney. The democrats and republicans are both going along with the fantasies of Iraq and Afghanistan.
We’re being taken for a long long ride.
Everbody in this is to blame. General Invincible tells us he’s got a strategy for winning and his Intelligence abilities are as rudimentary as a cadet’s? There is no strategy for winning and we only see our legless and homeless warriors return from this con job of a war.
We are being robbed of life, peace, and the proper allocation of funds that the American people create. Worsst of all….we stand for it. Where are there a million to march in DC against these wars? What has happened to the american people’s spirit and demand for accountability?
Schumer recommended SCROTUS member Alito. As an angry/frustrated Dem, I hope N Y & Dem Party rids us of this corporatist in Dem clothing