An editorial in Tuesday’s New York Times praises as “A Step Toward Fairness” a ridiculous new proposal from the Obama administration that will keep a number of Guantanamo prisoners in legal limbo with no hope of a real judicial hearing on their status. At the same time, it appears that there will be no effort to close Guantanamo, now approaching more than a year past Obama’s target for closing it. Little wonder, then, that Tuesday’s Times also reports that erstwhile rival insurgent groups in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area now seem to be setting rivalries aside to attack US interests. Keeping Guantanamo open only feeds such hatred against the US that rivals will team up.
The “step toward fairness” heralded by the Times seems to have no basis in known law to be announced in an Obama executive order:
The proposed order could give these prisoners a form of legal representation and a system to review their cases. It would not remove the tarnish to the American justice system of holding prisoners without trial. But it could represent a significant step forward in dealing with these cases and possibly reducing their number.
The order, which could be signed by the president as early as next month, would require periodic review of each prisoner’s case by a kind of parole board drawn from agencies throughout the executive branch and not just the military.
This board would regularly assess whether a prisoner still represented a danger to public safety or was safe enough to release. The prisoners would have access to an outside lawyer, if they requested one, and would also be allowed an advocate within the system — a change from the Bush administration’s policy of allowing them only a “personal representative,” who was unable to help them make the case for release.
The Times (and the Obama administration) still doesn’t understand the nature of evidence obtained under torture. The editorial laments that some prisoners can’t be tried because the evidence against them “was obtained through torture”, but it omits consideration of the fact that the reason that evidence obtained under torture can’t be used is because torture victims will say anything to make the torture stop. If a prisoner is held only because of evidence obtained under torture, then there would seem to be no reason to hold the prisoner. If there is independent evidence that would indicate a prisoner is a risk, then the prisoner should be tried on that evidence. A real judicial process, with proper rules of evidence, could and should be used to determine whether a prisoner should be held. The proposal to use a “parole board” type process is laughable on its face. And yet, even with this ridiculous substitute for a legal process, the Times editorial notes that Congress will fight even this plan and praises Obama for “the work of bringing fairness to the justice system at Guantánamo”, which they state Congress should not thwart.
The Times also noted on Tuesday that rival insurgent groups are working together in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area:
New intelligence assessments from the region assert that insurgent factions now are setting aside their historic rivalries to behave like “a syndicate,” joining forces in ways not seen before. After one recent attack on a remote base in eastern Afghanistan, a check of the enemy dead found evidence that the fighters were from three different factions, military officials said.
In a bit of blindness, the Times accepts at face value the explanation that this teaming up of rivals is only in response to the “withering attacks” from the recent NATO offensives:
The change reveals the resilience and flexibility of the militant groups. But at the same time, officials say, the unusual and expanding alliances suggest that the factions are feeling new military pressure. American and NATO officials say these decisions by insurgent leaders are the result of operations from American, Afghan and allied forces on one side of the border, and from the Pakistani military — and American drone strikes — on the other.
The article contains no references to the ongoing process of holding many prisoners without charges and on the basis of evidence obtained only under torture. There really is no hope of improving the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan if the only strategy to employed by the US is to keep increasing attacks while never allowing a true legal process for the prisoners held at Guantanamo and elsewhere.




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Sometimes I wonder how Obama managed to procreate, considering his lack of testicles and all.
I kept thinking that the Powers behind the scenes made Obama an offer he could not refuse. Now, I am just dumbfounded why he hasn’t managed to switch this all around and make it right.
How can he live with himself after all the promises and the good will and support he has gotten?
“A form of legal representation.” What the hell is that? Is it similar to the advocacy we get from spineless elected Democrats on Capitol Hill?
Prolly was artificial insemination.
However, I must say I am disappointed there were to be no topless pics http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/135327-obama-no-shirtless-pics of him on this vacay. Not only that, but I’d luv to see him as a centerfold in Savvy mag. It would be the best he could contribute to the good ole U.S. of A.
Someone on a thread in the last day or so commented to me that his speeches were specifically designed to deceive. Phrases were “win tested.”
I smacked my forehead. It’s so obvious.
Well, slap me too! Guess I’ll have to do the catch phrase game constantly.
As for the topic at hand, everything the U.S. (or Israel and perhaps other countries as well; U.K. comes to mind) is precisely the opposite as to what would be productive at reducing the terrorism problem.
The latest is the blowback from W’s outing of the former U.K. intel about terrorism plot, which resulted in lack of communication on the current one http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/12/28/did-brennan-and-napolitano-have-advance-warning-of-the-uk-arrests/ . As I remarked on the thread, lack of international cooperation on terrorism creates new opportunities for terrorists .
Ain’t it great to learn obvious stuff! Since you can’t know everything that’s obvious (only so many hours in the day), I find it particularly gratifying when someone points it out to me. Even when I don’t want to know it.
I agree but, how can we not know what is going on there when we are in constant surveilance mode? Maybe W. made them so angry they shut off the sat feeds?
What happened to the habeas hearings as ordered by the Supremes in 2008? The latest tally I’ve seen is prisoners 38, government 19.
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/guantanamo-habeas-results-the-definitive-list/
“This board would regularly assess whether a prisoner still represented a danger to public safety”
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The vast majority of the prisoners in Guantanamo NEVER represented a danger to public safety. To say they might STILL represent a danger is to butcher the English language.
In other news, we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Good Q. Perhaps the operative hypothesis is: the U.S. (specifically the NSA) thinks you find a needle in a haystack by adding more hay.
IOW, another self-defeating tactic, of collecting so much raw info you can’t make heads nor tails of it.
Don’t know the A to your Q, but would guess that the O admin has just stonewalled & slowwalked.
In other news, are you still afraid???? You must be afraid of terriss, dontcha know.
Diagnosing the problem as “cowardice” is incorrect. It doesn’t have anything to do with spinal columns or gonads.
It would be more acurate to say “Obama’s complete disinterest in Guantanamo continues”, or his “total disregard concerning Guantanamo continues.”
“Cowardice” implies he actually wants to do some particular thing, but is restrained by fear from doing it. I don’t think this is the case.
First comes the verdict then comes the trial. They have to win their parole even though they were never convicted of anything. There’s nothing stopping this type of lawlessness from spreading as this indefinite detention is being done for the worst possible reasons that just begs for more trouble down the way.
First, Obama’s promise on gitmo is dead. There are no funds for trials on US shores in the CR, and there will be none in any appropriations bill that will follow after. He is now stuck with trials there, no trials at all or simply letting them go. He should have acted immediately – it is too late now.
Second, it would be interesting to see what analysis supports the idea that gitmo is a real target of terrorist attention, I would suspect that Israel, our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and our drone attacks in the tribal areas of Pakistan are much greater irritants to them than the folks we are holding in Cuba.
“American and NATO officials say these decisions by insurgent leaders are the result of operations”
They’re fighting us because we’re succeeding. I love that one.
No, the best thing he could do is pull off his mask so we can see who he really is: the reanimated corpse of Ronald Reagan.
Think you’ve not got it right either. Think O is intensively interested in Gitmo. Just has the opposite interest to the one he sez. Guessing he jerks off regularly watching videos of torture & Gitmo prizoners facing Mecca while supplicating themselves.
Yep. Esp kewl that the U.S. is succeeding so well that the Taliban is taking control of more & more of Afghanistan.
I wish them terrierists would quit puttin’ IEDs on all our streets, markets, malls, football stadiums, airports…gettin’ to be a drag.
From Matthew Alexander:
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/28/AR2008112802242.html
That was for Iraq, but it seems reasonable that it would apply to Afghanistan and Pakistan, too.
I would assume drone strikes are key motivators in Pakistan and Yemen; US/NATO presence, and all it entails, in Afghanistan; GITMO seems more iconic, less regional, playing to a much larger audience.
Almost gettin’ to the point where we’re fightin’ them overthere so they can have an excuse to fight us here.
LOL…yeah, that’s the ticket.
“Guessing he jerks off regularly watching videos of torture ..”
Is enough ever enough for you? I mean, really!
Obi is a lair with a smooth tongue. Being black gave him a pass for a while but most people who are honest can see he is a corporate and Wall street shill, does the bidding for the MIC. He tried to sell the Team of Rivals BS and then that politics is compromise and it all amounts to he’s an effin lying two faced SOB and hardly a tad better than W. Unbelievable but that’s reality. We’ve not made a tad of progress toward walking back the W disasters and some have advanced.
And it’s not looking too good for the next 2 years of the elections cycle. Time to polish your passport and look over the horizon… the sh8t gonna hit the fan soon.
Well, the price of playing occupation poker in Iraq just went up a little. Maliki says “No way.” to any more extensions for the U.S.
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/12/27/maliki-us-must-leave-on-time/
How definitive is it? We should know in a few months, because if Obama doesn’t start drawing down the 50,000 still there, it’ll mean that he’s either going to have to yank most of them at one time, or either buy another extension, and I think that’s going to be prohibitively expensive.
Also, Maliki has no political room to sign off on a longer occupation. If he does, Al Sadr will cut his legs off, and the street action will steadily go up.
The Green Zone will resume it’s primary function as the world’s most expensive mortar-training range, and the road in from the Baghdad airport will again resemble Beirut in the 1970′s.
Of course, all this will probably happen anyway, when we leave.
Congratulations, Mr. Centrist: you’ve inherited Hobson’s Choice just in time to watch the last of your political capital go dribbling down your leg.
“This board would regularly assess whether a prisoner still represented a danger to public safety or was safe enough to release.”
The reason many of these prisoners might pose a threat to public safety (if, in fact, they really do) is because of the outrageously unjust and cruel treatment they received at the hands of our government. If a foreign government unjustly rounded me up and kept me incommunicado, with no legal recourse, for years on end for the crime of having been in the wrong place at the wrong time, you can bet your ass I’d have an axe to grind!
For those that we can fairly try and convict based on real evidence, fine — lock ‘em up. For those we have imprisoned but whom we cannot convict based on evidence, and whom we continue to imprison for fear that they might act out on their very justifiable rage at the U.S., in the name of fundamental morality we should release them and be willing to live with whatever danger they might pose to us in the future. Maybe if we actually had to live with the consequences of our actions (or of those taken in our name), we might demand more and better oversight and accountability of our government and military in the future.
I see the Gray Lady is in her usual form as the good courtezan to the imperial court.
You really think that Congress bares absolutely no responsibility in this? Dems & Repubs took away any funding for moving prisoners to the U.S.
Obama’s done plenty of things we don’t agree with.
But FDL always calls for executive action by Obama and he signed an Executive Order in his first week in office to close Gitmo.
The legislative branch (aka Congress) stopped it.
This seems like misplaced anger to me. Their options are limited.
Thanks……
Well said (sadly).
“For those that we can fairly try and convict based on real evidence, fine — lock ‘em up.”
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I don’t think anyone in Gitmo falls into that category at this point. Even those of them who actually did something and can be shown to have done something could never be convicted in a non-kangaroo court because they or their accuser(s) or both were tortured.
Is Torture/ Murder/ Treason some kinda test for president we don’t ever see being administered ?
Do they kill a suspect with their bare hands ?
Money and all the other soft tissue issues aside. This President needs to start talking about Gitmo and “why” we need along with talking about Loony Preachers. The two are connected. Gitmo has been proven to be a denial of human rights by denying people their freedom to defend themselves in court. And the denial of freedom there, is a threat to freedom everywhere. It gives the green light to everyone…everyone, thats its business as usual to torture and deny human rights. Gitmo prison should be closed and if it cannot be closed, this president needs to use his office to explain, carefully… why it should be closed. Its time for this president to become president. If he does? he will win. If he dont?……