
US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen meets with Lt. Gen. Sami Hafez Enan in Cairo on February 14, 2010. (photo: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Flickr)
Count me among those who constantly point out the dissonance between Democratic Primary Candidate Barack Obama’s progressive promises and the actions of President Barack Obama which tend to continue and even extend (as we see today on FISA) the Constitutional and international law abuses of George W. Bush. However, I am becoming more and more convinced that despite the accusations of fumbling and presenting multiple, conflicting public positions on the Egyptian uprising, a key strategic move by the Obama administration appears to have been communication to the Egyptian military that the US would move quickly to cut off financial aid to the military if it attacked peacefully demonstrating civilians. Would a President John McCain have taken this approach? I don’t think so, and we have his comments from last Saturday at the Munich Security Conference to support that idea.
On NPR this morning, host Scott Simon spoke with Professor Marc Lynch, who heads the Institute for Middle East Studies at George Washington University. You can listen to the interview here. Note around the 2:30 mark, where Lynch highlighted the multiple levels of communication between the Obama administration and the Egyptian military where the consistent message was “Don’t be complicit in violence against the protesters”. Lynch then went on to point out that “Tienanmen in Tahrir was always a possibility” and the fact that that did not happen “is a testament to the Egyptian military”.
Now let’s go back exactly a week, to Senator John McCain’s appearance at the Munich Security Conference. Recall that violence, which was started by thugs from the Interior Ministry, had flared on Wednesday and Thursday of that week, so McCain was speaking just hours after a bit of calm had been restored. Although his speech had the proper flowery praise for the concept of democracy, in the end McCain just couldn’t give up on supporting Mubarak. It is especially important to note that he characterized the uprising as having radical roots, rather than representing the people as a whole. Of course, by describing the movement as “radical”, he is almost certainly referring to the involvement of the Muslim Brotherhood and is fanning the flames of fear and hatred against them.
Here are the key parts of his speech. First, the charge that this uprising is radical:
For even now, especially now, the lessons of Egypt appear clear: Three decades spent silencing moderate voices in order to fight extremist ones has had exactly the opposite effect: Radical groups are empowered, and responsible citizens are unorganized.
And now that he has identified the uprising as radical, he comes around to saying that we just can’t abandon our buddy Mubarak:
This is not to say that we should abandon partners of long-standing because of how they treat their people. We must remain partners, for many vital reasons, but the terms of our partnership need to change. We need to be more assisting, but also more insisting. Make no mistake, what is happening in Egypt is nothing short of a revolution, and it should put other undemocratic governments on notice that their presumed stability is a false stability. The choice they face is between a managed process of gradual reform that leads to political and economic openness – and a determined self-delusion that leads to revolutionary and potentially violent change. I wish the choice was not that stark, but recent events lead me to think otherwise.
It appears from McCain’s words here that he would have supported action by Mubarak to quash the “radical” uprising that was “potentially violent”, and McCain would have justified supporting such a move by saying that he was promoting Mubarak being in charge of “gradual reform”.
Such a stance is starkly different than the one chosen by Obama. Note this article in the New York Times published online late Thursday night for Friday’s print edition. It provides detail on the key move by the Egyptian military to inform the protesters that their demands would be met:
The protesters’ hopes soared Thursday afternoon, when the chief of staff of the armed forces, Lt. Gen. Sami Hafez Enan, visited Tahrir Square in Cairo and suggested that their demands would soon be met. He also presided along with the defense minister, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, over a meeting of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. Paul J. Sullivan, an expert on the Egyptian military at the National Defense University, said it was only the third time in Egypt’s history that the council had met; the other meetings were during wars with Israel in 1967 and 1973.
Neither Mr. Mubarak nor Mr. Suleiman were at the meeting, and the resulting communiqué declared that the council had met “in affirmation of support for the legitimate demands of the people.” So it came as a shock when Mr. Mubarak said he was not stepping down.
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His [Suleiman's] relationship with General Enan is unclear. General Enan, 63, is a generation younger than Mr. Mubarak. He has spent extended periods in the United States and is closer to American commanders than the oldest Egyptian military leaders, including Mr. Tantawi, 75, the defense minister, who were trained by the Soviet Union.
American officials said General Enan had offered them assurances that the armed forces would defend Egyptian institutions, not individuals, and that they would not open fire on civilians. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has commended the Egyptian military for what he called “exemplary” conduct amid the street protests and said it had “made a contribution to the evolution of democracy.”
Now look back at the photo at the top of this post. That is Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen meeting with General Enan almost exactly a year ago, on February 14 of last year. I find it highly doubtful that a President McCain would have cultivated a high-level relationship with General Enan that would have led to his historic meeting with the protesters to assure them that their demands would be met. Instead, I think McCain would have simply looked the other way while watching Mubarak stand down the military while the Interior Ministry turned Tahrir into Tienanmen II.
In this one matter, Obama has shown an ability to get a major issue right. Why can’t he do so on illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention without trial, extrajudicial executions, rendition, torture, state secrets and corporate bailouts at the expense of the working poor?



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Not only would McCain not have threatened to cut off aid, he likely would have tried to send troops over from Iraq or let Israel know it was OK to send the IDF, though Israel (just as with its insistence that we do its dirty work on Iran) would want us to do the deed and thus reap the international hatred and scorn.
Good catch on Adm. Mullen. He’s been by far the loudest of the known pro-Mubarak voices on the public record.
I love “what if” scenarios; it’s why I’m such a Harry Turtledove fan. But this case is not the same as Turtledove’s “what if Union soldiers did not find Lee’s battle plan for the Battle of Antietam?” which resulted in the Confederacy winning the War of Secession and leading to three more wars between two American countries.
It is easy for McCain, who is NOT President, to say anything he wants. I think the reality of the limited American responses to the Egyptian Revolution trumps rhetoric from either corporatist political party.
The fact is, there is nothing that any American President could really DO about it. Obama did exactly what he could: nothing. A President McCain in some alternate universe would have done the same thing, maybe not as prettily or eloquently, maybe looking more confused, but it would have been nothing.
The Egyptian Army would have thrown out Mubarak anyway. Maybe a little later, but I think the result would have been the same. I can’t prove that, anymore than those who disagree with me can prove that McCain would have intervened militarily, but that’s the fun of “what if” scenarios, is it not?
McCain speaks about “potentially violent” while large portions of the world are intimately familiar with the provable violence of the US government and its proxies.
Whatever else…Obama is certainly not senile…Just a minor factor
Good summary. I am certainly on record of being highly critical of most of Obama’s policies. But this time I think he has been right on mark with the perfect tone. In fact his speeches on the topic have been the most inspiring since his election night.
But a cold hand grips my heart as I think of the joyous celebration and his soaring rhetoric that night of his election which has been so betrayed.
I had heard that Hillary used the military aid – 1.3 billion of the 1.5 billion total aid – as a whip on the military to hold them back from day one
not sure how much Obama had to do with using that threat that early.
Right On Jim. Thank God We have Obama as President. I almost wept when he read this part in his speech yesterday:
I’m also confident that the same ingenuity and entrepreneurial spirit that the young people of Egypt have shown in recent days can be harnessed to create new opportunity, jobs and businesses that allow the extraordinary potential of this generation to take flight.
His call for middle-class tax cuts and business investment for Egyptians illustrates what a firm grasp President Obama has on Middle East issues. Thank Goodness for the world Barry is in charge.
http://charliedavis.blogspot.com/2011/02/if-youre-not-embarrassed.html#links
And McCain did not have to send his Vice Pres. anywhere…talk about weeping.
Of course this is just hypothetical because he could NEVER BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WASN’T BORN IN AMERICA.
The only honorable thing Obama could do, as rep of the tyrannical forces that kept Mubarak in power for a 3 decade CIA-psyop supported reign of terror, is announce he will resign immediately after a full and transparent investigation of just how exactly US has so egregiously ended up on the wrong side of Earth’s history in one of the oldest nations of Earth.
Would a President McCain have sent in troops yes. Would he have had enough troops to do the job with America fighting two wars? No.
Does McCain think the Rebels in Egypt are radicals of course they want jobs that pay more money a decade ago McCain would be saying that it was Commie Students who had infiltrated the Muslim Brotherhood.
That is if the Brotherhood were a religious organization that was neutral to Israel. McCain had no problem arming Muslim Fundies to fight the Russians in Afghanistan in the 80′s and look how that turned out.
The big thing McCain is scared of is the possibility American interests in Egypt will either have to pay their workers more money, and or get taxed more.
McCain’s biggest fear is that American interests in Egypt might to taken over by a new government and no compensation paid.
I agree. I’m sick of “what if Palin and McCain had won,” etc, etc. They didn’t. I’m profoundly concerned with Obama’s documented actions and inaction on issues vital to the survival of America’s “forgotten man.” What ifs = more distraction from the crisis here and now.
http://justworldnews.org./ Helena talks about the Obama administration wanting a Mubarak/Suleiman ending in Egypt, the same exact plan that McCain laid out last Sunday on the talk shows.
I don’t think the uprising even starts in Egypt under McCain.
I think a McCain White House finds a way to kill the uprising in Tunisia.
I cannot take Harry Turtledove at all. I think he’s a guy that’s mad at fate because he wasn’t born when he would have been able to join the Confederate Army.
Remember WallStreet is making big profits investing in other countries but not America right now what happens if investors worried about revolutions not only in the Middle East but other poor countries hurt by higher food prices start revolting?
All of WallStreets profits and high stock prices go down. If Saudi Arabia with its huge amounts of unemployed young people revolt never mind its huge amounts of immigrant workers revolt that alone could destroy the world economy as oil prices fly to $5 a gallon.
Then of course the case for Green Power and Gas saving cars becomes easier to make its a pity that men in power like McCain have not supported Green Energy instead they bet that men like Mubarak could keep the peace in the Middle East forever.
One wonders just what are they smoking?
Fuck McCain. Fuck hypotheticals about McCain. Obama’s biggest fear is that this spirit of ’11 energy will impede US’s damnable doctrine of full-spectrum dominance.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289
Get a fucking clue, fellow fierce firedogs. We are the intolerable power of dominance that just got its imperial ass kicked in Egypt.
Bring it on home, or get tossed on history’s ash heap.
Ah, who cares? Really, Barry Oboover is president. Let’s continue to focus on his “real” record, not the imaginary one of a washed-up, hateful old man.
Eh – I dunno if it would’ve been different with McCain or not, but one can point to the rightwingers on the radical right of the tv/radio spectrum to see/hear the brainwashing propoganda that has been pumped up 24/7 since the Egyptian “small people” began their protest and uprising.
Certainly Fox & Clear Channel have made no effort to hide their outright disagreement and distaste with the Egyptian “small people” having any kind of a say in how their govt is run, much less to have the effrontery to demand that brutal dictator (and crook) Mubarak get out of offce and the country. From what I could tell, Rupert Murdoch, the Koch brothers and Roger Aisles were firmly on the side of Dictator Mubarak (aka the Egyptian elite) and very much opposed to the Egyptian “small people,” who were cast as 100% villainous Muslims hell-bent on *inflicting* the Muslim religion on all good Christians in the USA (or something). We all know that last sentence isn’t true at all, but I’m sure many conservatives in the USA today believe that.
So on that score, one can say that the majority of the rightwing elite in the USA mostly did not want the Egyptian “small people” to prevail in their efforts to have a real say in how their govt is run. How the rightwing elites’ viewpoints would’ve *played out* IF McCain were POTUS is still just a guess… *Could* McCain do anything more/else/whatever than what Obama did/said/behaved?? I’m not so sure.
Agree. I guess it’s sort of interesting to speculate, but really: who cares at this point?
That is much more to the point, and I’m guessing that’s why the rightwing media, esp Fox and Clear Channel, were so *insistent* in their propoganda that the revolution as a very very very bad thing. Well, yeah, it might end up being “bad” for Wall St.
It certainly appeared to me as if the USA elites were definitely pushing for Mubarak to be propped up no matter what.
The global elite, imo, appear to live so much in their opague bubble world and have so much hubris, that I don’t think they really “get” reality any more than the average Fox viewer does. JMHO
Its useful to debate scenario’s like this because it helps us plan for what the GOP might do next. As I said before Saudi Arabia could fall and if it does it won’t just be whining by McCain and the GOP over Obama not handling things right there will be a full court Media Blitz to invade.
Fears of Ossama taking over the country will be brought up. An act of aggression against America will be staged. Saudi police will create acts of violence and blame the rebels.
Heck I would not be surprised if the GOP starts insisting we leave Afghanistan now so that we have the troops we need to stop uprisings in the oil states.
According to this article of this middle east expert, plus Hillary Mann Leverite, Obama was fighting until the end to have Suleiman in power, so please stop giving him credit. He has to say his gifted speech crap because as jane said, he needs the youth vote for 2012. Hillary Mann also said Obama does not want democracy in Egypt because then they will not be able to continue protecting “interests”. And I would bet, they are not the Egyptian interests. Watch, he will doing whatever he can to fix the elections and steal democracy away. There is no difference in obama and McCain, except the senile factor.
“Hey look over there” at the GOP while Obama and the dems steal this country blind. I want people talking issues and I am sick of hearing about how horrible the pubs are.
All due respect, my esteemed stream-of-consciousness friend, fuck Saudi Arabia. WE are the intolerable power of unjust dominance that just got its imperial ass kicked in fist Tunisia, now Egypt. Obama and McCain are two heads of the same NSA-type monster.
Bring. It. On. Home!
Obama got this one right because he didn’t have to deal with Congress. On illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention without trial, extrajudicial executions, rendition, torture, state secrets and corporate bailouts at the expense of the working poor, Obama is forced to deal with a Congress in which the Democrats are divided and the Republicans are nuts. Even those items in this list that are nominally under executive authority would produce a Congressional Republican response because they would represent a repudiation of the actions of George W. Bush. The only arguable one in the list is “corporate bailouts at the expense of the working poor”; that is a domestic issue and has campaign finance implications.
Obama also got this right because he was cautious and did not put the US in a high profile, which could have ended the revolution no matter which way he weighed in. Supporting Mubarak could have greenlighted repression. Supporting the protesters could have given rise to the rumor that the protests were in fact a CIA coup. There is a little bit of dumb luck in the fact that the protesters indeed did win. The victory is theirs; all the US did was step out of the way.
And the victory happened because the protesters were unified around clearly stated goals that were popular in the country, operated as a coalition with one focus and one voice, were restrained in their reaction to violence and in claims to victory, had very sophisticated logistics orchestrated through personal networks that provided resilience when the internet was interrupted, anticipated media reaction and the possibility of violent suppression and had contingencies worked out well enough to provide advantage in the midst of chaos. What is striking is that the regime could detain any visible spokesperson or group and the protest never lost its determination or its discipline. That once set in motion it got self-organized in such a fashion that discipline was maintained.
The very serious question to anticipate about the Middle East is this: If the people of the Middle East make the democracy movement such as to remove al Quaeda as a threat, just as the collapse of the Soviet Union removed it as a threat, will Obama be able to resist the neoconservative search for a new enemy in order to justify the military-industrial-complex? What is that new enemy likely to be, and how can we begin to prepare to counter the bullshit?
But then, I’m getting way ahead of events. What happens when all of Israel’s neighbors are honest-to-goodness democracies and they are still occupying Palestine?
I feel the same.
This is not only a timewasting discussion but the question itself is a) irrelevant b) empowering of the psycho puke complex c) taking the spotlight off the ruinous obama and dems and again allowing them to skate on the “somewhat less crazy & evil” platform.
Bullshit.
Srsly, we’re actually giving fucking “President McCain” oxygen here! Wtf!
Your last question is a very good one. I would say trouble for Israel.
W000T! You go, madma. Two heads of the same monstrous edifice.
We don’t need no speculation about what McCain might’ve done, let’s look at what the US – not proper to look at a single person, it’s much bigger than that – actually DID do for a 30-fucking-year CIA- and you- and me-sponsored PSYOP reign of monstrous terror.
W00000T!
He likes to play with alternate histories, but they don’t all involve the confederacy. (Also, his specialization is Byzantine history.)
Yes we are the monster but we must be aware of how Obama will try and manipulate us into protecting the oil so we can discredit the lies ahead of time instead of being caught flat footed.
The CIA and Saudis are certainly taking notes about Egypt they will try and cut off all communications better. They will try to discredit the protesters by having police agents do acts of violence. What else will they do probably fake an Ossama tape about how he is behind it all. We must be ready to do push back against the Myths used to get us into another war. If I recall thats your area of expertise at the Lake.
America might not be ready for revolt yet and I am sad about that but I think we do have enough support to stop Obama from starting a third war to prop up some oil rich Arab dictator.
Now if he’d just do that for us….
BS. There are no laws requiring these things. As commander-in-chief and the guy at the top of all fed law enforcement and spy agencies, Obama could bring a halt to all of them. If he chose.
This is an issue.
We’re seeing the disconnect between what our government will go along with (as opposed to what they actually want) in other countries, and what they’ll go along with (and what they actually want) in this country.
Beck apparently has a lot of people who buy his BS. Look at the comments here. (Also notice how many of them are barely literate.)
p://justworldnews.org./ Helena talks about the Obama administration wanting a Mubarak/Suleiman. how can you say he got it right when supporting those 2 all along. al Quaeda is only a threat in propaganda. when obama gave his speech to keep troops in Afganistan he said he had to get Al Quaeda and even his own departments said there were only 100 of them there. Really bomb the shit out of a country for 100 thugs. It is just his lies to keep people supporting this was for the profits of his buddies.
Ahem. WE ARE THE CIA. We sponsored Mubarak, we sponsor so many other monsters, let’s deal with the monsters we have here at home. I think the world will thank us for “heading off at the pass” so many ills to come.
Buddha said, the world is impaled on the twin horns of the “Is / Is Not” bull. I say we Americans are implaed on the “Party A / Party B” bull.
Neither the Dems nor the Repubs represent us, they represent the forces of full-fucking spectrum fucking dominance.
Bring the Jan25 Tahrir spirit of Egypt on home, to the very source of the sponsors of monsters, or get fucking tossed.
Either way, it is still going to cost US taxpayers 1.3 billion to support the Egyptian military and Suleiman is still VP. Perhaps different approaches, but it appears to be the same results at the moment.
Hmmm. From the perspective of an empire powered by oil, what you say the GOP might insist upon makes perfect sense. Get out of Afghanistan to free up troops to conquer and occupy Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, if necessary to keep the oil flowing as long as possible.
I have two problems with what you said, though. First, this is the Carter Doctrine. Jimmy Carter was a Democrat, remember. My point here is that the Democratic and Republican parties are just two factions of the ruling American Imperial Capitalist Party. When it comes to protecting oil and corporate interests, their differences are on emphasis and style, not substance.
Second, an occupation of Saudi Arabia would not be any more successful than the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. And oil fields and pipelines are ridiculously easy to sabotage. Of course, our desperate corporatist rulers don’t want to see that. They just want to keep their profits coming in.
And they are doomed to ultimately fail.
If instead of military aid we gave them cash to create good jobs that would help Egypt more than money for guns.
Ok slight difference of opinion I see value in plotting hypotheticals so we can prepare for the future. I do agree though that you are right Dems and GOP are one party giving us the bad cop good cop routine. I do agree we need to stop them.
The above is a reply to TarheelDem February 12th, 2011 at 12:26 pm.
That would be nice, but I doubt that will happen. The PTB can’t even be bothered to create jobs in the USA. Why create them Egypt?? Other than if the jobs can be super low-paid and in crummy conditions, then maybe.
The PTB don’t give a sh*t about the citizens; they only care about making money for themselves. Military aid is much more lucrative for the USA elites.
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p://justworldnews.org./ Helena talks about the Obama administration wanting a Mubarak/Suleiman. how can you say he got it right when supporting those 2 all along.
This is a very legit criticism of this post.
SO how do we convince Obama that US citizens deserver the same rights as Egyptian citizens?
Or are Egyptian corporations going to rape their citizens like US corps under Obama?
Just wondering…
“On Feb. 2, as pro-Mubarak demonstrators in Cairo’s Tahrir Square waged pitched battles against anti-government protesters, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton phoned Suleiman to urge him to investigate who was behind the day’s violence and hold them accountable.”
Yes, that is the day she supposedly strongly hinted that aid could be cut. By then though, the State Department already knew one of their 18-year Embassy workers was missing, who later showed up in the morgue. Clinton issued the pretty much the same statement of “hold them accountable” on Thurs when she issued the statement that he was confirmed dead. I will let Obama have his moment as he is desperate for a boost in the polls, but I sure hope the entire administration follows up on who killed our embassy worker and actually do hold them accountable.
As has been pointed out above, it’s comparing apples and oranges – real life vs theoretical. Things change (or should) when you are the one making the actual decisions with consequences. Yes, I think McCain is a nasty, hateful, person whose opinions vary widely based on what he thinks will benefit him. So what? Obama has demonstrated, time and again, that he is no friend to the powerless. Likewise the Democratic Party, as an entity. So the Dems have lost a solid 35-year voter to the Greens. Better to vote for something, even a lost cause, than vote Dem because the Rs are so much worse and watch said Dems do the Rs work for them. Work the Rs could not have gotten away with.
Won’t happen, unless we get to outsource jobs to them too. /s
I doubt it would happen too but it would create a stable Egypt as opposed to what we have now an oppressed colony. America’s foreign policy seems to be talk Democracy but Outsource Empire to third party local Elites to do our oppressing Elites dependent on us and us selling them guns to keep them in power.
Egypt shows this policy is stupid.
Amen.
The American Stock market which is dependent on foreign investment right now will drop like a stone if an oil producing Arab state falls or a country with heavy US investment.
We can change American policy if the Corporations are weakened and facing bankruptcy again.
Given the totality of the circumstances, the Obama administration handled this matter well.
Politically Obama he as had a good couple of months. This mid-winter bump in his political stock won’t mean much in the fall 2012, but it pretty much elminates any chance of Obama facing a meaningful primary challenge
Agreed Dems and GOP are the same I think the Dems play good cop and the GOP bad cop on us. Agreed plans for invasion will fail but that does not mean they won’t try after all their sandcastle investments all fall to the tide if gas goes to $5 a gallon.
Thirty-three year Dem voter agreeing with you.
No more Dem votes for me.
We go after what he cares about most money in this he is no different than the GOP. Thats why I mention the Stock Market so much I think in addressing people it helps to talk about what they care about and how it effects them.
Well, good thing he can ride having no primary challenger into the GE on the backs of the Egyptian protesters.
Just for giggles my what if is: Obama witholds our 1.3 billion, the Egyptian generals crush the revolt anyway, and now who do we deal with? But more importantly, why do so many think the sun only rises and sets on America’s ass? Maybe no matter what we did, Egyptians made their own choices? Is that possible?
Yes, it is possible. Sure and the heck is, dark night, if it weren’t for the rewriting of history with “American exceptionalism” that has been shoved down our throats since birth. I think they are now even packaging it and putting it in baby formula.
Say what?
haven’t read the article or comments yet, but wanted to respond to the title.
How Would a President McCain Have Responded to Egypt’s Uprising?
since the same elites call the shots now no matter which party wins, he would’ve responded the exact same way obama did
I heard on BBC this morning that Mullen is heading to, or by now already in, the region to meet with Jordanian and Israeli leaders on the subject of maintaining stability.
haha..I don’t doubt you, and if the baby formula don’t take they do a good job of pushing the “American Exceptionalism” in our schools 24/7
John McCain would have called Rush Limbaugh and asked for permission to have a Middle East foreign policy.
Limbaugh would have turned him down.
Meanwhile, how would noun-verb-and-POW react to the whole idea that Facebook would carry the Sons of Liberty legend to the whole world ?????
BTW: This story in Egypt is nothing but Boston and Concord 1770-1776 with Gandhi instead of the Boston Massacre (original… misreported.)
That whole generation of Policy Dogs have to milk it, pumping up Mubarak.
Same as pumping up the Shah and Savak early on.
Same old, same old.
Otherwise torture and raping children is a Sin. Their Sin.
OK, if the policy is to stop American weapons from being used to kill innocent civilians, then Israel is overdue for a cutoff of military aid!
No.
Obama started this with his speech.
Read it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09
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I’ve come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles — principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.
I do so recognizing that change cannot happen overnight. I know there’s been a lot of publicity about this speech, but no single speech can eradicate years of mistrust, nor can I answer in the time that I have this afternoon all the complex questions that brought us to this point. But I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly to each other the things we hold in our hearts and that too often are said only behind closed doors. There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other; to learn from each other; to respect one another; and to seek common ground. As the Holy Koran tells us, “Be conscious of God and speak always the truth.” (Applause.) That is what I will try to do today — to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart.
Now part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I’m a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.
As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities — (applause) — it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (Applause.)
I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President, John Adams, wrote, “The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims.” And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, they have served in our government, they have stood for civil rights, they have started businesses, they have taught at our universities, they’ve excelled in our sports arenas, they’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers — Thomas Jefferson — kept in his personal library. ….
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From the old bar hopper McCain ????? No-no-no. Never a word of it.
And then the spirits of Adams and Jefferson stayed behind, after June of 2009, doing their magic.
sorry, my bad. i thought the question was about ACTIONS taken, not about words.
yes. obama makes better speeches than mccain
yes. and Obama’s sin
I don’t have a lot of patience with all the pooh-poohing of “hypotheticals” here. McCain was not a hypothetical major party candidate for president, and this nation did not hypothetically face the risk of Sarah Palin being a melanoma metastasis away from the nuclear football.
I support fury and strong primary challenges directed at Yellow Puddle Democrats, up to and including Obama. I hope events in Egypt help galvanize citizen efforts to dismantle the kleptocracy and recapture the infrastructure of democracy, starting with taking the goddamn Constitution — habeas corpus and all — seriously.
But Republican lunacy is not hypothetical, and those whose best plan to effect change is to wake folks up by letting the country go further to shit than it already is relinquish a portion of their membership in the reality-based community, in my view.
When it comes to foreign policy, the Democrats may be only 25% less homicidal than the Republicans, but that still amounts to a shitload of unmurdered people.
Henry Kissinger, whom I loathe, once uttered an indisputable truth with regard to nuclear policy versus the Soviets: “Deterrence is not a policy; it’s a fact.” Sadly, the same is true more generally of lesser evils.
Book Salon up with Ben Tarnoff’s Moneymakers: The Wicked Lives and Surprising Adventures of Three Notorious Counterfeiters hosted by Elias Altman
And just how does justworldnews.org know that? That, in my opinion, is speculation based on the evolution of the administration’s statements as it became more clear that the protesters actually could win.
Al Quaeda is a potential threat as long as there are enough numbers to carry out a terror attack. The cost of continued war in Afghanistan has made the administration (in my opinion) rethink their strategy and now they seem to be holding to a 2014 exit date.
At any rate, if the Middle East is transformed like Tunisia and Egypt have been, al Quaeda has lost its strategic logic. It is more possible to transform authoritarian countries nonviolently than with 30 years of violence. Case study: Egypt.
Where are you going to go, the fascist right? Guess you are ready for the looney tunes tea party. Good luck with that one.
How Would a President McCain Have Responded to Egypt’s Uprising?
Exactly the same as Obama.
How Would a President Obama Have Responded to spying on Americans, nonstop war fighting a word (terror), and throw taxdollars at corporations?
Exactly the same as Bush.
Yes, I will not vote for Obama so I will go somewhere else.
The real key question is what would it take to get my vote back.
Well, we disagree about what would have happened under McCain. I don’t see how he would have stopped the Tunisian Revolution, either.
As for Turtledove, in the preface to one of his series about the South winning the Civil War, he said that he was writing the series to show what a disaster for America and the world it would have been if the Confederacy had won the war.
Hardly seems like a Confederate wannabe to me.
From bayville’s link:
Really, dude? The people of Egypt just overthrew their repressive, authoritarian dictator of three decades — the dictator who you and your predecessors all supported, by the way — and you deliver the same address you’d give to a bunch of business major jack-offs at the Wharton School?
Exactly so.
I agree also. Love your name.
John McCain?
Hell no. It would be Sarah Palin responding – McCain would have been impeached and convicted last year for incompetence by the Democratic Congress.
So Sarah would have said, “Where’s Egypt?”.
There are no laws requiring him to hold prisoners in Guantanamo, but there is a very strong chance that the Congress would pass such a law. Especially this Congress.
I think this is the most interesting–with the most potential impact–aspect of the Egypt revolution:
While the revolution was across all segments of society, it was powered by young adults using social media. So, cool, right?
It’s beyond cool; it’s a completely new paradigm.
This is about global thinking, viewing local events and situations from a perspective that goes far beyond the local knowledge, traditions, and understanding.
It is the knowledge of global perspectives, of traditions in all other countries, and of rights and freedoms in places like our troubled country, that allowed the PEOPLE to imagine/dream/invent a new reality, one where they live free and have basic rights.
It’s about using the felt-power of a multitude of fellow revolutionaries to gain the courage to stand down tanks and guns.
This is not a one-time thing. This is potentially earth-changing. It is, I think, a global revolution in the making.
And therefore, if anyone even begins to “get it”, absolutely terrifying. If the existing powers in the U.S. could have snuffed the Egypt revolution out in the early days, they would have. I feel that the fact that our government did not do this is one of the most amazing aspects of this whole dance.
Watching the last two weeks I was thinking of our excitement and sense of power during the 2008 election–and thinking, well, OK, so now we move on to something more substantial.
Time will tell, eh?
If the US government is captive to the corporations, continuing to wait for the government to treat US citizens as having rights is ineffective. The question is how do we convince the corporations that they are not people and that money is not speech. The problem is not at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It is on Wall Street and K Street.
That is very possible, even after the supposed victory. And the reason is that both Saudi Arabia (which has announced its intentions) and China (which have not) have a vested interest in not seeing the protesters succeed.
Obama can’t reverse a wrong because Congress might possibly, perhaps, maybe, re-instate that wrong? You must be joking.
The extent you are willing to go to condone Obama’s evil would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathological.
Explaining isn’t condoning. It is what it is.
Get Congress to push for an end to illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention without trial, extrajudicial executions (does this mean drone attacks or are there things going on in the US I’ve missed), rendition (who has Obama rendered), torture. Then see if he opposes these changes because it reduces his executive authority. There are a lot of folks wanting Obama to do their heavy lifting in changing the views of Congress.
Too true…LOL
Interesting how so many assume the choices are *only* D, R, or not voting, even when one explicitly states a different choice.
I find this is most compelling statement of McCain’s:
“and it should put other undemocratic governments on notice that their presumed stability is a false stability. The choice they face is between a managed process of gradual reform that leads to political and economic openness – and a determined self-delusion that leads to revolutionary and potentially violent change. I wish the choice was not that stark, but recent events lead me to think otherwise.”
A clue as to how the New World Order should respond? Some were obviously shaken on the play.
Feinstein, that arch neo-liberal chastised the “intelligence services” for not knowing this was happening, starting to happen or giving advance warning that it was happening.
I don’t think the PTB were amused at all.
Your first paragraph was an attempt at explaining why Obama doesn’t do things he has the power to do because Congress might object. Sounds like condoning to me.
Leave Obama alone, get congress to stop him, then see if Obama protests? I’ve got a better idea, get Obama himself stop doing the things he chooses to do.
You tell me, I used a direct quote from you first paragraph.
You are saying that people want Obama to do the heavy lifting of changing the views of Congress so Congress will in turn stop Obama from doing things that he doesn’t have to do in the first place. Oh sure, let the rabid dog bite you while go looking for his irresponsible owner to intervene.
Of course, you had the exact same view about presidential abuse of executive power during the last administration, right?
Nobody here knows what happened in all the back channels of international diplomacy. We don’t know if State threatened to pull the money for Egypt’s defenses, or if they were dithering when events started to spin out of control. We don’t know if China played a role or the Russians or the Saudis or anybody else. Everything presented in the diary and in the comments is just speculation and calling it anything else, including a conclusion that Obama did this or McCain would have done that, is just silly, really.
Nobody here knows what happened in all the back channels of international diplomacy.
When have we (or you for that matter) ever known this?
We may as well never write a post about anything, because only the power-players know what went on; the rest is mindless speculation. You can all go away.
Thanks so much.
“U.S. Stocks Rise After Mubarak’s Resignation, Gain in Consumer Confidence U.S. stocks rose for a second week, sending benchmark indexes to 32-month highs, as takeovers, a rebound in retail sales and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak ’s resignation bolstered investors’ optimism.”
Bloomberg.com
How would McCain respond the the uprising? He would have bombed Iran and invaded North Korea.
Or, I can see it from my porch….Thanks for the reminder;)
Ditto.
Yes!
Well, I do know one thing that wouldn’t have happened if McCain had been President.. His Secretary of State would not have said:
“I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States.”
Yes, and we’ll see more of his dirty underwear shown in public if they start delving into Mubarak’s billions. Pierre Tristam wrote:
“Egyptians are going to want their days of reckoning. They’re going to want their truth commissions, and Mubarak’s enforcers held to account. They’re going to want their money back: Mubarak is reputed to have stashed away billions of dollars–many of the same billions Americans have been contributing for three decades–in his Swiss bank accounts.”
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/02/12
I completely agree.
I seriously doubt McCain would have handled the situation any differently than Obama has. Above all else, the U.S. requires political stability in the Middle East so long as that stability benefits our agenda in the region. A military crackdown on civilians would simply have sparked fiercer revolt, possibly even creating a domino effect across the Middle East as people rose up in support of the Egyptians and of their own interests.