In a meeting Sunday at the presidential palace in Kabul to investigate reports of multiple civilian deaths in a US operation in Konar province, General David Petraeus deeply offended those present when he suggested that Afghan civilians had deliberately burned their children in an effort to blame US attacks for their injuries. Rear Admiral Gregory J. Smith, the top military spokesperson in Kabul, then provided a statement to the Washington Post suggesting that the burns were inflicted on the children as punishment. This development is remarkably similar to events last March, when Smith initially stated after Special Forces killed two pregnant women in a night raid that the women had been slashed to death by knives before the raid took place, only for a later investigation to reveal that the Special Forces soldiers had used knives to remove the bullets that they had fired into the women.
Here is the Post’s description of the military operation in Konar province:
Afghan government officials alleged Sunday that a U.S. military operation in the remote mountains of northeastern Afghanistan killed 65 innocent people, including 22 women and more than 30 children, the most serious allegation of civilian casualties in months.
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A NATO statement said that video and information from the coalition showed that 36 insurgents, who were carrying weapons, were killed. The U.S. troops involved responded to insurgent activity and fired with aircraft and an unmanned Predator drone, the senior military official said.
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Karzai, who put the death toll at 50 civilians, said in a statement that it is his responsibility to protect Afghans’ lives and property and that he “will take any steps necessary to prevent and stop civilian casualties in his country.”
Note that locals are claiming 65 civilian deaths, while Karzai states that it is 50 civilians who died. The US, however, sticks to its claim that they have video showing that they killed 36 insurgents carrying weapons. Elsewhere in the article, the spokesman claims that those killed were wearing civilian clothes but that “the majority of them” were “civilians engaged in hostilities”. Later in the article there also is the admission that in this mountainous area, the residents are extremely isolated and don’t want US personnel present.
In the meeting at Karzai’s palace, Petraeus profoundly offended Afghan personnel present when he tried to claim that civilians had deliberately burned their children in order to make the US attack appear worse:
To the shock of President Hamid Karzai’s aides, Gen. David H. Petraeus suggested Sunday at the presidential palace that Afghans caught up in a coalition attack in northeastern Afghanistan might have burned their own children to exaggerate claims of civilian casualties, according to two participants at the meeting.
The Afghans who were present did not respond to Petraeus’ suggestion very well:
“I was dizzy. My head was spinning,” said one participant, referring to Petraeus’s remarks. “This was shocking. Would any father do this to his children? This is really absurd.”
Making matters much worse, top spokesman in Kabul Rear Admiral Gregory J. Smith then provided this statement to the Post:
The U.S. military “did have initial reports that the feet and hands of the children appeared to have been burned,” Smith said. “We have observed increased reporting of children being disciplined by having their hands and feet dipped into boiling water. No one is claiming this is the case in this instance, but it may well be.”
Sadly, it appears that the military has been setting the stage to use this disgusting defense. Just last month, Stars and Stripes carried a story on suspicious burns on Afghan children, using the story to drum up hatred that appears to be a bit more broad than just against the parents who would do this:
He noted that the burn went all the way around one ankle, like a sock — a “circumferential” burn strongly indicating someone had held her leg in boiling liquid and that the child had not been able to recoil from the pain.
“More likely than not,” McCormack said, “this was punishment.”
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In the space of just three months, McCormack and his medics have treated a dozen Afghan children under 5 suffering from burns that they suspect were caused intentionally, by scalding.
“It’s a disturbing thing to see a 3- to 5-year-old that’s been abused,” McCormack said. “It’s heartbreaking.”
“I despise these people,” said a medic who declined to be named.
It seems that the Stars and Stripes article turns the hatred generated by such child abuse into a generalized hatred against “these people”, which appears to be a broader hatred than just being aimed at the parents who commit the offensive acts.
The profile of the injuries in Konar province also does not match the punishment by burning described in Stars and Stripes. The punishment cases documented all appear to have involved toddlers. The Post article states that the injured civilians were “seven injured people, including a woman and a man, both 22 years old, and five boys and girls 16 or younger”, so the age profile does not match up at all. Smith then provides a detail that completely destroys his punishment claim, noting that the injuries included “burns and shrapnel wounds”. Is Smith next going to claim that in addition to burning their children, the Afghans are exploding bombs next to them so that they have shrapnel wounds?
Note also that this article provides clues for how one could distinguish intentional burns from burns that might have been sustained in an attack by US forces. It does not appear that either Petraeus or Smith cited evidence that would support intentional burns in the case of the injuries reported in the attack under investigation.
It is even more important to consider that by making such an offensive suggestion about injuries, Petraeus and Smith have removed the focus from the deaths which are being investigated, including the deaths of many children.
It’s really hard to understand how Smith still is employed as a spokesman, given his abject failure during the investigation of the killing of the pregnant women last February by Special Forces troops. From the New York Times on March 15:
On Feb. 12 in a village near Gardez, in Paktia Province, Afghan police special forces paired with American Special Operations forces raided a house late at night looking for two Taliban suspects, and instead killed a local police chief and a district prosecutor when they came out, armed with Kalashnikov rifles, to investigate. Three women who came to their aid, according to interviews with family members and friends, were also killed; one was a pregnant mother of 10, the other a pregnant mother of 6.
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“The regret is that two innocent males died,” Admiral Smith said. “The women, I’m not sure anyone will ever know how they died.” He added, however, “I don’t know that there are any forensics that show bullet penetrations of the women or blood from the women.” He said they showed signs of puncture and slashing wounds from a knife, and appeared to have died several hours before the arrival of the assault force. In respect for Afghan customs, autopsies are not carried out on civilian victims, he said.
Smith’s big lie was exposed by Jerome Starkey in London’s Times:
US special forces soldiers dug bullets out of their victims’ bodies in the bloody aftermath of a botched night raid, then washed the wounds with alcohol before lying to their superiors about what happened, Afghan investigators have told The Times.
Starkey’s article did suggest that the Special Forces soldiers were primarily responsible for the attempted cover-up and that they lied to McChrystal, but the behavior of Petraeus and Smith in the current case fits so well with an intentional deflection that the cover-up last year now looks to have been carried out in a very similar high-level fashion.
Petraeus and Smith are trying to portray Afghan citizens as generally barbaric and medieval as they invoke rare, isolated events to make an offensive suggestion to deflect blame for barbaric acts by our own troops. There really is no good reason that either of these men should continue to wear the uniform of our country.




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Thank you for all you do Jim for shining the bright light on the war criminals. Your posts are being spread over the internet at every opportunity.
Christ on a crutch! Time to fire this guy and bring our troops, (and the fucking CIA), home now!
They hate us for our freedom!
OMG, this is disgusting. I wonder where the “Pro Life community” stands on this.
General David Petraeus deeply offended those present when he suggested that Afghan civilians had deliberately burned their children in an effort to blame US attacks for their injuries
I take it the general is not a parent? I am really really hoping he is not a parent.
General David Petraeus deeply offends many who were not present also.
Color me offended.
Bring our troops home, General David Petraeus is welcome to remain behind IMHO.
Use of air power has doubled under Petraeus’s command. 3620 weapons sorties over 6 months.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/02/afghan-air-war-doubles-now-10-attacks-per-day/
Air attacks do not discriminate between so-called insurgents and parents and children.
Sorry to disappoint you. Really sorry:
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Leave him home for sure cuz you know that the weak Rethug 2012 or 2016 ticket is just itchin for another General as a candidate.
Hell Petraeus has been nothing BUT an amoral political animal.
Rear Admiral Gregory J. Smith, the top military spokesperson in Kabul, then provided a statement to the Washington Post suggesting that the burns were inflicted on the children as punishment. This development is remarkably similar to events last March, when Smith initially stated after Special Forces killed two pregnant women in a night raid that the women had been slashed to death by knives before the raid took place, only for a later investigation to reveal that the Special Forces soldiers had used knives to remove the bullets that they had fired into the women.
Riddle what do General Petraeus, Rear Admiral Gregory J. Smith and Col Gadhafi all have in common with Wife Beaters?
The Wife/ Innocent civilians/ the burned kids all did this themselves to themselves to get attention and Make Us Look Bad.
I am now starting to think Gen Petraeus would be a worse President than Sarah.
Dayam Afghanerays attacked us on 9/11…they’d burn ther keyeds at the drop of a burket.
Memories: Many years ago I was posted by the Army to an Asian country. My sponsor was a major, and as I was being taken around on an orientation the major’s wife casually mentioned that the local women had been tossing their babies out into traffic to collect a payment. As she said that I looked out onto a rice field and saw the women doing stoop labor, weeding or planting, and noticed the babies they had on carriers on their backs and thought — “you lie.”
Crap
We have sooooo many categories of crazy nowadays..it’s hard to keep track of who is craziest.
I am starting to think Bush/Obama have no control over the military at all.
I am so proud of petraeus and smith. They are just telling it like it is. We in the US wouldn’t lie about the collateral damage in the form of children and women not fighting. our precision drones, for instance, can tell the difference between noncombatants and combatants and, thus, act accordingly. Since we know that Afghanis are less than human, they must be injuring their children to cast blame on our troops.
“They hate us for our freedom!
OMG, this is disgusting. I wonder where the “Pro Life community” stands on this.”
x2. Could someone tell me: what the hell are we doing over there?
Thanks for fixing my fu mod. :)
Cheney, Petraeus, Gadhafi, Rear Admiral Gregory J. Smith all seem to dismiss dead civilians we could create a fill in the blank game of who said what with their actual quotes and then have people guess who said it.
Now there’s a thought that will keep anyone from sleeping but I suspect there’s some truth in it.
Like a rug!
To see the depths to which my country has sunk profoundly saddens me.
Thanks for putting this together, Jim. And for adding the tag ‘ass-kissing little chickenshit’. Perfect.Tag.
What a disgusting cover-your-ass stunt. Petraeus is a natural politician–he has absolutely no sesne of shame or remorse.
I would only add:
Then
Disband
Army
Right up until the aftermath of WWII, we disbanded our military, right down to a corporal’s guard, after every war. We didn’t after WWII, and the inevitable result has been empire. We’re not getting rid of the empire until we get rid of the tools of empire.
Petraeus is completely out of control and needs to be recalled by his Commander in Chief – who will command him to bend over so he can kiss his ass.
Shameless.
Somewhat OT – it’s not just people from the south that believe that crap. There’s a common acceptance of “southern=stupid” by a lot of people who should know better. Most of my relatives are in Texas (except for the ones who escaped), and I can tell you from personal experience that there are intelligent, thoughtful, non-bigoted people in the south, as there are butt-ignorant bigots in the north.
Sorry about the OT, but the lazy elitism sometimes gets to me.
” those killed were wearing civilian clothes ”
There are no Taliban/terrorist uniforms. And I don’t care who your are everyone is a “family member”. Hilter, Stalin, Bush ….
The insinuations in so called “reporting” is laughable.
Could someone tell me: what the hell are we doing over there?
Beats me. You could ask Clarence Thomas Obama, Democratic president of the United States. He is in charge. But you can’t trust his answer because he is a liar.
1. He’s following orders very well
2. He’s married to someone important
3. He’s related to someone powerful
4. This is normal operating procedure, nothing to see here
Please pick one, or add you own.
5. He lies with a straight face without flinching.
This is complete B.S. by the U.S. military and another glaring example of how our military has gotten completely out of control.
In a country where the sustenance of a family is dependent on the labor of all its members it would be asinine for older family members to actively abuse their children just to make a statement and decrease the productivity of one of its potential earners. This doesn’t even hint to the moral and ethical problem a parent would have in burning their own children.
Obama’s boy in action. Thanks Barry for all your great appointments at home and abroad. So this is “hope and change”?
Yup, and Barry picked him.
thanks Jim White – rec. have been so deep in to Labor/Middle East/N Africa stories on twitter so I didn’t see your piece – what a clownish pig – surprised he didn’t call them “wogs” to their faces
There is a psychopathy at play here that stems from the irrational worship of uniformed people one identifies with. Accompanying delusions are that those in “our” uniform cannot possibly do profoundly evil things, and if even if they do, it must be concealed to protect the institution- hence routine cover-ups of military massacres of civilians, police misconduct under a similar code of silence etc.
Military iconography, martial and nationalistic/patriotic imagery and the like become more important than whatever moral principles underlie the symbolism. Criticism of anyone wearing a uniform thus becomes “unpatriotic” even if the criticism is valid. It is framed as a patriotic duty to unconditionally “support the troops” even if they are slaughtering innocent children, just we must support “law and order” by siding with police who engage in wanton brutality or commit extrajudicial executions in the course of their work.
The donning of a uniform elevates the person inside into some quasi-deity that is essentially exempt from any consequences for their bad behavior. Any questioning of this amoral hypocrisy is labelled as unpatriotic.
“Are you with us or against us?” they ask.
I am against them.
If you ever discuss joining the military with a young adult mention these assholes like Petraeus and White to show an example of the military leadership at the top.
Oh, mention Pat Tillman while you are at it.
Excellent.
And stop building police states around the world.
~~~Edited by Moderator. Do not wish violence on other humans~~~ Petraeus. You might not learn the truth, but damn, it would sure feel good.
November ’12 we’ll be face with a choice between a general who makes war on children then blames their injuries on their own parents, versus a white Republican who managed to convince the country he was a black Democrat. While that might deserve a round of applause, it does not deserve a second term. On the other hand, a man who makes war on children … We used to bemoan the choices offered during the sixties — characterizing them as a choice between syphilis and gonorrhea. What we have now is far worse. We’re living in a depraved nation
When you dehumanize someone to the point necessary to be able to put a bullet in them, it is a small step to believing that such savage “others” would be capable of burning their own children. When anyone who dies as a result of US military force has to be an “insurgent”–because those are the “others” being fought–there are, by definition, no civilian casualties. In order to maintain support for the US’s murder and theft in the Middle East, true believers like Petraeus and Smith have to spout the rhetoric that frames the people of that region as “barbaric and medieval,” thereby absolving themselves and their nation of the responsibility of murdering those who, from this racist, violent perspective, are, after all, unworthy of inclusion in the human race.
Whenever I hear bullshit like this from murderers like Petraeus and Smith, I always think of Gen. Mark Clark during the Vietnam War dismissing “Orientals” as less-than-human because of his belief that they place very little value on human life.
Yup. A common response of unchecked, unreflective, sadistic wielders of power.
If ” those killed were wearing civilian clothes ” and “there are no Taliban/terrorist uniforms,” then all those killed in civilian clothes are the enemy. This is the logic being pushed by Petraeus and Smith. They have the podium because they perform this rhetorical trick so well.
It does not make a lick of sense that Afghans would burn their children and then take them to the US military for medical treatment.