Developments in the Raymond Davis case are continuing. Davis’ double murder trial for his killing of two Pakistani citizens on January 27 in Lahore will resume on March 8, with the hearing on his immunity status still postponed until March 14. David Ignatius reported earlier this week that the concept of the payment of blood money is being discussed as a way out of the impasse, and the Washington Post is continuing with that theme today. In a somewhat related development, five German nationals have been arrested in Lahore as Pakistan continues to review the documentation of foreign nationals who might fit the profiles of Raymond Davis or Aaron Dehaven.
Here is Dawn’s description of the proceedings Thursday in the “sessions court” which is hearing the double murder charges against Davis, with the proceedings being carried out in the Kot Lakhpat jail in Lahore:
A sessions court rejected on Thursday US citizen Raymond Davis’s claim that he enjoyed diplomatic immunity and decided to go ahead with his trial.
/snip/
“I also told the court since various petitions relating to Davis’s immunity are being heard by the Lahore High Court, trying the accused right now will be a wastage of time,” Mr Bukhari said.
He said the court, however, rejected his plea saying it had not received any stay order from the superior court.
Mr. Bukhari is a retired judge who is Davis’ defense attorney. The article then went on to state that the trial was adjourned until March 8.
With the murder trial moving ahead before the hearing on immunity, the parallel pressure for a “blood money” route becomes very significant. Here is Ignatius’ description from Wednesday:
This approach would require a prominent Islamic intermediary – perhaps from Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates – who would invite relatives of the two men Davis killed to the Gulf. Payment to the victims’ families could then be negotiated quietly. Once the next of kin had agreed to this settlement, the legal case against Davis for murder might be moot in a Pakistani court.
A senior Pakistani official in Washington outlined this “blood money” concept in a conversation Monday. An official of that country’s Inter-Services Intelligence directorate also endorsed this approach; he said it had the advantage of meshing with the dispute-resolution customs of the Middle East and South Asia.
Asked about such a third-party mediation to free Davis, a senior U.S. official said Tuesday: “The United States is open to exploring any and all options that could resolve this matter. . . . It’s in our mutual interest to move beyond the Davis issue, and we believe the Pakistanis understand the stakes involved.”
So it would appear that Ignatius, who has a reputation for close contact with the CIA, has been in contact also with ISI. Both ISI and the CIA appear to be leaning in favor of blood money, at least as Ignatius would have us believe. This approach puts Davis’ fate in the hands of the families of those killed, and this remarkable interview with several of the family members shows that getting forgiveness from them is not going to be easy:
What is important here is that the decision by the families on whether to accept blood money must be made prior to a verdict being rendered in the murder trial. Since the trial now is slated to resume on Tuesday, these negotiations have little time left.
It is intriguing to me that the Lahore High Court has chosen not to order the murder trial delayed until after it makes a decision on immunity. Perhaps the High Court has decided that should the families not opt to accept blood money, a strategic outcome might be to allow a guilty verdict to be rendered and then to declare immunity after the fact. Perhaps such immunity after the fact would come conditioned on some sort of promise from the US to jail Davis for his crime.
Meanwhile, Pakistan’s process of examining the immigration status of foreign nationals who might be involved in intelligence continues. Following on the arrest of US national Aaron DeHaven last week, five German nationals were arrested in Lahore on Friday, and just as was the case for Davis, they are said to have had “sensitive” photos on their cameras:
Five German nationals were arrested in Lahore on Friday for not having their travel documents.
According to Express 24/7 correspondent Shiraz Hasnat, the foreigners were not able to provide their documents and were taken into custody for questioning by the police.
The reporter said that police had found snapshots on their cameras of the railway headquarters and other senstive [sic] areas nearby.
Stay tuned for further developments.



54 Comments

What’s the going blood money rate for murder?
I’m not sure, but should that work out, then the US and Davis would be guilty of relying on, and using a part of, (gasp!), Sharia law!
I can hardly wait for the wingnut heads to start exploding over that one if it goes through.
OMG, the internet is aaasome. I actually found the answer, down to the Durnham (spelling?) to my question, at least in the UAE:
“The blood money will only be payable if the person who caused the death of another person is found guilty under criminal procedure or legally responsible for committing a wrongful act, offence or crime.
“According to Sharia, the life of a Muslim is evaluated for a larger amount of blood money than people of other religions, faiths or ethnic groups. But in the UAE the blood money is Dh200,000 for all males residing the country, whatever their religion or nationality.
“The Sharia grants the family of a female, half the amount for a male, which is Dh 100,000. However, it is left to the judge who is in charge of the case to decide the amount of the blood money.
“Blood money is not paid if a person kills another while trying to defend himself, his family, his property or other individuals and their property from harm.”
http://gulfnews.com/uaessentials/residents-guide/legal/blood-money-in-islamic-law-1.442003
So, my impression is that the paying blood money is an admission of guilt. And my understanding, from common sense and reading that article at least, is that paying blood money doesn’t relieve you of the civil and criminal penalties for murder. It’s a punishment added on under Islamic law to the civil justice system’s penalties, but is not meant to replace them.
“Blood money is not paid if a person kills another while trying to defend himself, his family, his property or other individuals and their property from harm.”
Pardon, but isn’t Davis’ entire defense is that he feared for his life from an attempted robbery, or am I misunderstanding the issue(s) here?
Egzackly. Seems to me it’s an admission of guilt, but the U.S. wants Davis not to pay for his murder with anything except blood money.
So how could blood money even be considered,since he claims it was justifiable homicide/ Is it because he isn’t Muslim, that certain factions will inevitably claim it doesn’t apply to him?
is “Raymond Davis”
really this guy’s name?
I doubt it.
In Pakistan, doesn’t application of Sharia have to go to a Qazi court?
The best explanation of Pakistani law I have come across is at the Global Security website.
Very long and exceedingly detailed ,it is a primer for much of what is being discussed in this case.
The paragraph about blood money is quite startling ,btw.
Pakistan Legal SystemApr 25, 2009 … Pakistan is an Islamic republic. Islam is the state religion, … press, and religion as well as the right to bail, counsel, …. in payment of blood money, which enables wealthy Pakistanis to avoid punishment by paying money. … We are disappointed that parliament did not take into account …
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/…/pakistan/legal-system.htm – Cached – Similar
Could you try to get the whole address? the elliptical address gets a 404 at globalsecurity.org
You can enter…Pakistanis counseled not to take blood money
….in your search engine.
That’s how I found it. I had recalled reading a week or so ago, that was being reported as the prevailing sentiment.
I didn’t find my original piece,but came across this one.
Never mind, I got it. That explanation viz. my comment squares as follows: The Qazi court is what is referred to there as the Federal Sharia court. It’s colloquially called what I called it because the judge is called a Qazi, the term coming from the Moghul empire, AFAIK.
Thanks.
…Perhaps such immunity after the fact would come conditioned on some sort of promise from the US to jail Davis for his crime…
Serving any jail time state-side would be a complete non-starter here…! 8-(
If he should serve any time at all it will only be Pakistan…!
…will only be served in Pakistan…
*heh* Just after I comment on this thread at myFDL, it gets front-paged…! ;-)
“Pakistan Legal System” (at GlobalSecurity.Org)
Those families are going to come into a lot of money. And I mean a lot. Davis is worth millions. They should not settlel for less than 5 million per family. If it is an extended family even more. This is like winning the lottery. It is clear that the United States will go to any length to get him out. As long as the dollar is strong, the families should take as many dollars as they can.
The CIA is the most overrated agency in the world. So many movies and books have been made about these fools, that they believe their own hype and propaganda. How many more news stories do we need before a thorough review is conducted on this agency. How many more stories do we need of botched missions, misuse of funds, and illegal activity before the American public realizes what a sham this organization has become. That these are the same buffoons who couldn’t even predict the uprisings in the Middle East and inform the administration before hand.
That these are the same clowns who can’t find Bin laden after ten years but were the ones who taught Bin Laden the very same tactics of escape and evasion.
This kind of U.S. snooze coverage makes me sick. I couldn’t even watch the entire clip. It’s all about a stupid divorce analogy & (as far as I listened) contained no info about what David did, how the Pak courts work, why it is so impt to both sides, i.e. issues of substance. Spitzer never passed my smell test bc all he did as atty general is bully settlements out of Wall St. I’m not sure if he ever went to trial. And now we see a perfect example of his knowing nothing about the substance & being all about show. (Apologies if he got to it later; I watched only about half the clip.)
“The CIA is the most overrated agency in the world.”
All spook agencies are same: incompetent. It’s the secrecy thing that not only hides the incompetence but also fosters it.
As for books on CIA, I’ve read about a dozen & all but one was highly critical if not outright mocking.
USG: Not Even Best In Show.
I’d also point out (just to elicit a laugh) that it is the U.S. that is supposed to have the right to a speedy trial, while promising to imprison untried peeps for years, and the laughable, corrupt Pak system that is actually holding a nonsecret trial for Davis within months of the offense.
But I digress into matters of substance…
What does “Davis” know?
Is there a single category amongst the Industrial World’s indices that we’re in the top five, even…? 8-(
Okay, Besides our vast MIC/Intel Apparatchik…!
Even Hillary sez AJ is better than U.S. laughingly-referred-to-as-news.
But you got one thing right. Spitzer is a dog (with all due apologies to dogs).
*heh* Where’s the damn jobs, Boner…? ;-)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070619/news_1n19worth.html
$2,500
I agree that there are some books out there that sheds light on the dark corners of the government, however those few tomes of truth are nothing compared to the mystique this collection of incompetent twerps have created, to include much of the pop culture, to believe the curtain of secrecy is necessary for what they do. This mystique is so inculcated into our society, that our very own presidents don’t really know what the hell the CIA really does and gives deference to this major arm of the MIC almost on every issue.
About 17+ minutes into this interview, Giraldi, ex-CIA, sez he knows exactly what Davis was doing: part of an armed escort of agents to meet contacts. In that role, Davis would have had a long list of CIA contacts Pak, as the one on which he committed murder would have been one of many. Which would be consistent with the info on his edevices that he has been caught with.
I got roundly attacked for linking to this in an earlier thread, as though I were defending Giraldi, instead of reporting what he said. So listen & decide for yourself.
One of the more laughable criticisms I got was that, facing the death penalty in Pak, Giraldi alleges that Davis would have given up all he knew, presumably more than on his edevices. My FDL critic said that NO ONE trained in special ops, as Giraldi alleges Davis was, would ever ever ever turn on his mates.
As I typed, listen to the interview & decide for yourself. Scott Horton interviews Giraldi often, if you leave your Qs in the comments, Scott might ask Giraldi about them in a future interview.
Ooops. Forgot the link. http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/03/01/philip-giraldi-40/
“our very own presidents don’t really know what the hell the CIA really does”
I disagree. I think the U.S. prezez know exactly what the hell the CIA really duz, bc the U.S prez order it. Of course, U.S. prez hide behind clever plausible deniability kabuki.
Maybe they don’t actually know the anatomy of a trial or how to run one?
“The Revolving Door: 22 People Who Went From Wall Street To Washington To Wall Street” (by Katya Wachtel, Mar. 4, 2011, 3:51 PM)
But banksters do know about paper pushing, payola and smoke ‘n mirrors PR/sleights of hand.
So if the Obama administration pays the blood money wouldn’t that not only be an admission of guilt (as others have already stated), but also an admission that Davis didn’t have diplomatic immunity?
“But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.
We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.”
Harry S. Truman 1963
Since I don’t think this problem has ever been corrected, therefore I don’t think any modern president has ever had a full comprehension of what the CIA does.
And if the family wants Justice instead of blood money this might happen:
http://whyareweback.blogspot.com/2011/02/bbc-appears-to-have-yanked-raymond.html
On February 24, Ahmad Jamal Nizam at Pakistan’s Nawa-i-Waqt newspaper reported, “Three armed men forcibly gave poisonous pills to Muhammad Sarwar, the uncle of Shumaila Kanwal, the widow of Fahim shot dead by Raymond Davis, after barging into his house in Rasool Nagar, Chak Jhumra.” But only Pakistan and India news services have even mentioned this report, until the BBC for a half-hour this morning.
Sarwar was rushed to Allied Hospital in critical condition where doctors were trying to save his life till early Thursday morning. The brother of Muhammad Sarwar told The Nation that three armed men forced their entry into the house after breaking the windowpane of one of the rooms. When they broke the glass, Muhammad Sarwar came out. The outlaws started beating him up.
The other family members, including women and children, coming out for his rescue, were taken hostage and beaten up. The three outlaws then took everyone hostage at gunpoint and forced poisonous pills down Sarwar’s throat.
“One of the pills was thrown out by Sarwar while he was forced to sallow the others,” family members said. The family members said the gunmen were demanding a patch-up with Raymond Davis, but when “all the family refused, they started torturing us”.
“For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.”
Harry S. Truman 1963
Laws passed in the 1980s give the victim of a murder or other violence, or the victim’s heirs, the right to inflict an equivalent harm.
At the same time, however, there is a legal alternative in payment of blood money, which enables wealthy Pakistanis to avoid punishment by paying money. Under the law, only half of the amount must be paid if the victim is female.
Please see my 4:34 pm comment above.
Thanks.
This, in my mind, begs the question if getting the family members to Saudi is meant to get them isolated so they can be pressured, cajoled, threatened, or tortured into accepting the blood money .
Dave Barry, in the Miami Herald, a few years ago:
“The Central Intelligence Agency; proudly overthrowing Fidel Castro for 50 years!”.
:o)
…My FDL critic said that NO ONE trained in special ops, as Giraldi alleges Davis was, would ever ever ever turn on his mates…
That’s utter BS…! When one’s life is on the line, of course one’s going to do what one has to to survive…! Ask McCain himself, all about it…! Cyanide pills in soldiers’ lapels or hollow teeth is nothing but Hollywood fantasy, and btw, the longest anybody has held out in SERE training for water-boarding is only a minute and a half…! 8-(
Oh really. How naive could anyone be to take Truman’s statement at face value. Govts almost always make “policy” against their own pops and hide it from them. For the purpose of advancing interests of powerful that peeps don’t give a FF about. Since Truman was instrumental in creation of CIA, he had that explicitly in mind.
Former CIA spy Andrew Warren gets five-and-a-half years for …Mar 4, 2011 … Andrew Warren was head of the CIA’s operations in fractious Algeria … has been sentenced to five-and-a-half years in jail for drugging and …
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Former-CIA-spy-Andrew-Warren-gets-half-years- drugging-sexually-abusing-Algerian-woman-going-crack-fuelled-run-polic…
Huh? Truman in his statements in 1963 was basically saying back then that the CIA had already overstepped its original mandate. A mandate he created. Then you compound that with statements made by Eisenhower made about the MIC in the 50′s and Ford’s investigation into the CIA and its domestic activities. B. Woodward sheds light on what happens in these briefings and how often executives are often bullied by the military arm to do their bidding.
It’s pretty funny they are relying upon Islamic Law, which allows the family to forgive the accused and to go free. Usually by the payment of blood money. Now here some Islamic law we can believe in.
Hmm, two for the price of one. Too bad Davis’ victims weren’t female. It would have been a bargain under Pakistani law.
They would be foolish to stop at 7 figures. They should start the bidding at 12 figures.
Bin Laden’s been dead for over ten years from kidney failure. He was just another of the USG’s patsies, in the series that include Oswald, Sirhan, Hinckley, Chapman, Ray.
Not only do they know what the CIA duz, the prezez also go along with everything in the CIA playbook. The lesson of JFK insures that they do.
Could you link to the thread where you were attacked? Would like to read the give-and-take.
Scott Horton’s the man. I try to catch all his broadcasts.
The poor guy that got run over by two Americans, going the wrong way on a one way street, seems to have been forgotten. I think we smuggled them out of the country before they could be arrested. Can they be extradited for vehicular manslaughter ??? Fat chance !!
Davis must be happy to know that his buddies are out there trying to help him.
Shortened URL that redirects to the Daily Mail report on Andrew Warren referred to above:
http://tinyurl.com/5tdf8b3
The long URL above is broken, maybe the site software is breaking it.