With radical Republicans forging ahead on the signing of a union-busting bill in Ohio while a court blocks (again) a similar bill in Wisconsin, a new Gallup poll shows that US voters strongly side with state employee unions over the governors in these disputes. At the same time, a much-heralded Tea Party “rally” in Washington, DC drew only 250 people at most, a far cry from the estimated 100,000 reached several times during the repeated rallies in Madison. Even though Democrats are showing no leadership at all on framing the horrendous moves Republicans are making to punish poor working people for the benefit at the expense of large corporations, the Tea Party movement is clearly turning into a victim of its own hateful messaging.
As the screen capture from the Gallup poll shows, Americans favor state employee unions over governors by almost a ten point margin, 48 percent to 39 percent. Given the huge expenditures by the Koch-fueled astroturf groups demonizing state employee unions, this is an amazing result. There has been virtually no action from unions or the prominent Democrats who should be protecting them, so one can only imagine where those numbers would be if Koch-like resources were deployed on behalf of the unions.
Perhaps the only bright spot for the Tea Party’s agenda is buried in an AP-GfK poll released earlier this week. In that poll conducted from March 24 to March 28, respondents were asked “In order to balance the federal budget, which should be the main focus of lawmakers?” The response was 62 percent in favor of “Cutting government services” compared to 29 percent who favored “Increasing taxes”. However, I’d chalk that one up to the disproportionate efforts at framing the deficit issue. Perhaps the recent attention to GE’s huge profits while paying zero taxes will help to bring people to an appreciation of the sad state of the current tax structure.
More encouraging information from the AP-GfK poll is found in the area of party identification. The poll repeats the information from the 2010 elections, showing that the major problem was an enthusiasm gap, with Republicans having a 48 percent to 42 percent advantage among likely voters in mid-October but Democrats holding a narrow 43 percent to 40 percent advantage among all voters polled at the same time. The radical actions by the Republicans who were elected last fall have resulted in a huge swing of voters in favor of Democrats, with October’s 3 point advantage now swelling to twelve points, as Democrats now show a 45 percent to 33 percent advantage.
If only Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress could appreciate where public sentiment has moved since the midterms, they would realize that “negotiating” with Republicans who still are fueled by Tea Party rage against unions and government spending has no value, as Americans now are beginning to appreciate once again the value of unions. With only a little effort on messaging, the public could appreciate that the tax structure and stopping unnecessary wars (this poll shows a 50 percent opposed to 48 percent in favor of US military action in Libya) have much more to offer on reining in the deficit than cutting government services which already are at bare bones.



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IMO many people in the Tea Party have become embarrassed by the truly outrageous things that are being said and done. They obviously are not all crazy and many are older people who were scared by the way things were going – and still are. It doesn’t take an IQ of 150 to see that some of the lunatics have stepped over the line. Heartfelt wishes that they will continue.
The Teeps could barely muster two hundred people for a few hours to pose for national TV cameras in DC last week. There were more protesters sleeping outside every damned night on the grounds of the Wisconsin State Capitol last month. (Yes, outside. In winter. In Wisconsin.) Hell, there were two hundred people alone running the temporary day care for protesters’ kids at Madison, that’s how many people were protesting during the day.
And there are still people protesting there — and following around Walker and the Fitzgeralds to every speaking appearance they make.
The TEA party people were a broad mix of independents and disaffected folks from every party. The glue that held them together was a feeling of despair in their government.
Unless you think that we are out of the weeds concerning this financial crisis then expect to see substantial rallies this summer. That should be a good gauge for the state of the economy. Whether or not we have protests in the streets.
The financial news I listen to has talked of the economic indicators pointing towards a slow down in the second half of the year. People have to be pissed to go to a rally as Wisconsin has showed us. That was the TEA party’s motivation last year.
They left out the implied “for others,” i.e., “Cutting government services for others,” which is what the respondents really meant. 30 years of bullshit about “welfare queens driving Cadillacs” has had its effect.
Sometimes the trolls be more subtle.
Then again, we are talking about Americans here, so ignorant racist rednecks could be characterized as a “broad mix of independents”.
Only if you view every person that attended a rally last year as a “ignorant racist redneck.” If only it was that simple one_outer.
After the Tea Pary Agenda implodes, it will still be MILES ahead of a Progressive agenda! Say what you want, the care enough to draw a line in the sand. Anyone care to tell me what Progressives & ideological Democrats really care about?
Also left out was the implied “on others” “Increasing taxes on others”.
Hmmmm. Seems like you can’t get serfs to show up just by paying to organize the rally. Seems you can only get them to show up if you really impoverish and threaten them. The race is on.
You’re right, it’s not that simple. Some of them are mad that they government won’t let them marry their cousin, too. I didn’t mean to leave them out. But, to be honest, I’m assuming there’s a lot of overlap between ignorant and racist AND wanting to marry your cousin.
Also, notice I said “we’re talking about Americans here”, so I’m actually painting with an even wider brush.
Most Americans are ignorant racists, including almost all the teatards. There, I said it, and it’s true. Now go clutch your pearls, pray to Hannity and tell all teh peeps at Townhall how we’re stupid mean communists.
The TP have been successful in throwing a scare into every sitting Republican and every new candidate. They are all afraid of a credible primary challenge from their right. Which Democrat is afraid of a credible primary challenge from their left? This is the model for accomplishing change within the 2-party system.
The fatal flaw of the TP faction (of the Republican party) is that they are desperately far out of the American mainstream (and even further out of the first-world mainstream). The more they get their message out, the more candidates they get elected, the lower their support outside their faction. People who were inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, or thought they were interesting because they thought they were not (not really new, just the same old crap in a new box with a three-cornered hat on the front) are finding that they are not a serious option.
Whereas if we developed a Social Democratic faction, threatening sitting Democrats with credible primary challenges from the left, we would attract additional people into the faction. When you poll on issues, rather than labels, people time and again poll to the left of the Democrats on the environment, taxes, war, spending, energy, and social issues. This is a winning strategy, and a winning message. The TP has the right tactics, but a dead-end agenda and unappealing message.
Bingo! If you are specific and say cut Medicare, or cut social security people then become opposed to cutting services. The key is to be specific.
Just as the key with the increase taxes is favored when it becomes apparent that your intent is on raising taxes for those that make well above the median (when $250,000 was the amount a plurality was for raising their taxes, just as I suspect they would be inclined to raise them for millionaires a la Sanders)
“….At the same time, a much-heralded Tea Party “rally” in Washington, DC drew only 250 people at most, a far cry from the estimated 100,000 reached several times during the repeated rallies in Madison.”
That’s because the Tea Party members have jobs.
As opposed to the teachers, firefighters, and police officers in Wisconsin…
How do you propose to defeat the mountain of money that would drown any SD faction in the Democratic Party?
I guess what I’m saying is, the Tea Party works because there isn’t a lot of well funded or organized opposition to it. The reason? The tea party actually helps the plutocracy move the football, so to speak.
But an SD movement in the Democratic Party? We’d have the entire instituional structure of the right wing AND the corporate Democrats out for blood against us. It would truly be us against the world minus those who are explicitly with us.
I can’t see how we survive something like that, which is why I’ve abandoned the Democrats but have no plan on how to move forward. How do we get around this problem, the problem of not only not having any institutional allies but having all the existing institutions bent on destroying us?
who apparently had nothing better to do (e.g. their jobs) than protest about legislative measures that have been a long time in coming
The phrase “punish poor working people at the expense of large corporations” should read, “punish poor working people for the benefit of large corporations.”
Yer right, of course. WI is just full of f’ing dirty, freeloading, lazy hippies who are too stoned to put in a full day of work.
You said it. I didn’t.
Phreakin bless every one of them and all their vital organs.
I’m wishin hard this is a spark for the entire nation.
Out here in CA, Mr. Brown has now offallally thrown down in regards to pension reforms . . . something he campaigned on and I detested to hear . . . but ONE thing he did smart this week was to walk away from the discussion table with the GOP who insisted his throw down was ‘lacking’.
CA is about to experience some shit. It will be REALLY interesting to see what comes of it, as budgets for schools, essential services, services for the poor and needy are hacked and slashed.
I’m HOPING Brown is dueling on making the GOP look so bad they have to cave to popular opinion in regards to similar issues WI, FL, IN, OH and others are experiencing.
But CA is gonna see some shockingly severe cuts and people are gonna get pissed if them corporations that don’t pay taxes or the rich don’t pay taxes aren’t forced to do so by our erected offals.
I believe, CA is 6 months or a year max away from some serious Jasmine like pissed off rightousness.
It’s been a long time I’ve waited for this . .
Here’s Browns Recent Info On Pensions.
As always, anything one wanted to know about CA politics can be found at Calpolitics Dot Com . . . I need to chase it down and catch up myself, now that the budget talks have stalled as Brown walked away from being held hostage to GOP insanity.
May dawg help and bless us all to stand and claim our own in these regards.
Thanks for all you post too . . . and nice read Mr. White, thanks to YOU, too.
Nobody said it would be easy. But it stops short of impossible, like forming a new third party that can actually win elections. The only choice we have is to take over the Democratic party from the inside and pull it kicking and screaming to the left, where the voters are.
The glue that held them together was they were and are white and racist and mostly old, receiving money and more from Koch Brothers to motivate and move them to action.
Those of them who aren’t old are white and racist.
Homophobic, misogynist too . . .
Putrid members of our species with no regard for others. whining about being victimized.
N that’s the self moderated version of MHO.
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Sorry, that *G* was to 1outer (belly button?) with BOTH his comments there . . . *G*
Ok, some of them are well educated white racists. I’ll give that to ya.
“Even though Democrats are showing no leadership at all on framing the horrendous moves Republicans are making to punish poor working people AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LARGE CORPORATIONS.(Emphasis mine)” I generally agree with your point, but I think that you did not mean to write the sentence this way.
I know that it is hard to do, but tea party people cross many barriers. Our tribal mistake is to lump them all into racist, uneducated people. Many are well educated and live in the north; they just have fewer misspelle word and better grammar. In effect, what do you think christie, kasich, walker, et.al. are? Many educated people listen to limberger, beck, etc. and believe that the msm really is left wing.
That does say it better.
They should have hired a special visual effects company to “populate” the video for them.
There has been some success in moving the ball. It just hasn’t translated into legislative victory. The majority in this country wanted to raise taxes on the wealthy(those over $250,000), the majority in this country don’t want to cut programs like social security. The majority in this country favored a government option for health care. The majority in this country wanted to leave Iraq. These are small victories but victories nonetheless. We just need to do better in getting responsive representation from where I’m sitting.
Oh please. Using your logic we’d still be British colonists because George Washington was too busy farming.
The translation for those in the middle and takeaway is that Tea Party members didn’t feel it was important enough to leave those jobs to fight for what they believe( and believe it or not that speaks VOLUMES to those of us who are considered “squishy middle.)”
I keep chasing you around the threads, trying to ask a question about your Greasemonkey script. Kelly saw me ask and tried to help but everything he suggested I’d already tried.
If you are inclined to assist, please email me at msmollynd AT gmail DOT com. Thanks!
I think it would have started IF just ONE Democratic Senator stood up and called Obama on the absurd sham he called HCR. That’s all we needed. And, guess what? Not one Democratic Senator would draw a line in the sand to do what was right for Americans. Not one. It was shameful, just shameful, a once in thirty year opportunity to right the course of our history. The only bright spot is, look where it got Russ Feingold?
It’s amazing how those tea partiers who certainly must have been unemployed during the health care debates are now magically too busy working to attend rallies to cut the pay of their neighbors? Simply astounding how in the midst of a recession they found all those jobs. LOL Just because you buy into talking points don’t expect others to be nearly so naive as to believe what Rush or Beck says as gospel.
I don’t see it that way. You get the mostly white and older from that poll that was released last spring. I understand that.
The reality is that you had a group of people come together and protest bank bailouts and mandated health care.
Stating that they are all racists is not factual. I know you probably saw a lot of signs on TV with racist slogans. I saw that to. Is that the majority though? Painting with that racist crush just makes it easy to hate them.
I am sure the Larouche’s were at the rally in Wisconsin with their hitler signs of Obama. I am not going to call those protests racist. That may be a weak example but you understand the concept.
LMAO!
I disagree with your theory most Americans are ignorant racists.
I don’t care to watch Hannity. I walk away pissed.
How about teachers, firefighters, police officers? How about our chidlrens’ educations and our seniors’ retirement benefits?
You can kick rocks with that booshit, bailey. The difference between us and tea-baggers? We care about the people in this country that aren’t us. The ones that don’t have a voice. The ones our government, including your vaunted tea-party activist fucktards, are trying to fleece out of existence.
The brown people, the black people, the poor people, the old people. We love them and want the protected and cared for.
Sent you an email. Maybe someday we’ll have personal messaging here.
I personally know some very ardent Tea Party folks, and they *adamant* about getting rid of Medicare – very very vocal about how evil & horrid & terrible it is (even tho *all* of their parents are on it). It does not good to comment on cognitive dissonance; just reporting on what I’ve witnessed from a small but somewhat significant group who are very highly educated.
I fully expect this group to come out in *favor* of cutting Soc Sec. They are really being softened up by Glenn Beck, in particular, to *accept* this as a very very very GOOD thing, both themselves & the nation.
Just reporting what I see “on the streets”…
It was too cold for the T-GOP to rally in the winter. I fully expect them to emerge in full force this summer (not snark).
Agree. Everyone I know – including myself – that rallied in solidarity with WI recently has a JOB (I happen to have 2 jobs). Funny how we all found the time to protest the anti-Union actions in the mid-West yet maintain our jobs.
Gimme a break.
Plus I have a number of employed family members, who are ardent T-Party rally attenders… they’ve all been to a number of T-Party rallies (not just recently, though), and hey: guess what??? Amazing factiod: they have JOBS, too.
Such specious hooey these rightwing sockpuppets spew forth. Getting mightily sick of the lying craptastic b.s.
Then how do you explain the amazing FACT that my rightwing T-Party family members have all attended a number of T-Party rallies/protests in the past (not just recently), and wonder of wonderments: they do have JOBS… but they *attended* a number of rallies & protests… and kept their jobs.
Riddle me that one, genius.
The value of polls: 57% Okay With Government Shutdown If It Leads to Deeper Budget Cuts
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2011/57_okay_with_government_shutdown_if_it_leads_to_deeper_budget_cuts
We,on the left,must differentiate between the federal and state budget issues. On the federal level,we must stand with those who are defending social security and medicare,food stamps and medicaid for poor folks.
But on the state and local level,many on the left,although they support the right of unions to bargain collectively,are against the salary increases and pension and health care benefits that public employees enjoy and few in the private sector enjoy.
Let me put it this way,why should a truck driver have to work and pay taxes until age 67 so a public employee can retire at 55 with a nice pension and lifetime health benefits? Does anyone think that a cop who makes $106,000 a year,like where I live in New Jersey,is really a member of the “oppressed working class? Are teachers who make $90,000 a year like here also to be compared to the women who workied and died at Triangle Shirtwaist in 1911? On the state and local level,the Democratic Party has to stand for something more than advancing the interests of the public sector unions,like the long suffering property taxpayers here in New Jersey.Recently the Democratic legislature(23-17 Senate and 47-33 Assembly) passed legislation as follows:
1. a 2% cap on the rise in property taxes per year.
2.no arbitrator can award cops and firemen more than a 2% raise.
3.All public employees must pay a minimum of 1.5% of their salary towards their health insurance. Is anyone on this board really against this new legislation?
Great post, Jim.
I agree with you. I’ve been redundant in saying that many of my family members – who are highly educated and very sophisticated – are RushGlenn devotees and members of the T-GOP and attend these rallies.
I would go so far as to say that there is a strain of racism running thru my family members, though, but that may not be the case for all T-GOP. But I do suspect that the Southern Strategy still has a resonance amongst even the more educated, northern T-GOP.
That said, there’s plenty of dittoheads out there who are, in my experience, pretty mis-informed and but very very authoritarian. In my family’s case, they vote T-GOP based on the “NO taxes ever under any circumstances” Mantra. I really doubt that most of the ReThug tax set up ever benefits them, but that is my family’s main motivation for being part of the T-GOP… that and the fact that they truly truly truly believe that Muslims are bringing Sharia law to the USA (I’m very sad to say, but they really believe this).
Just some info…
I am worried about the rising tax rate explosion as well. That is the next disaster when the muni-bond market breaks down and interest rates start increasing.
I think it is feasible to see rates double in the lower end states like Michigan over the coming years.
Ok.
You’re wrong.
Totally agree. Getting around in the snow is really tough in a Hoveround.
I totally agree with this.
And you could have said it without taking a gratuitous shot at Feingold. Walker won too in sconie. Feingold was the victim of a wave. Not that he was getting much done, but the slam is unnecessary and unfair.
Sure, this is certainly a complicated situation. It’s not like good things haven’t happened. Student loan reform comes to mind.
However…it is my opinion that the plutocracy has amassed so much power that we are past a tipping point. The feedback loops that allow them to amass power even faster, like the economic conventional wisdom that allowed them to extend the Bush tax cuts, have already kicked in. Even Wisconsin and Ohio, for all their inspiration, are rear guard actions. We’re losing bad, and it’s only getting easier for them the weaker we become.
That is the problem I’m trying to address. The best we can hope for in the system is getting a few small victories. Like student loan reform.
I think they can and will kick and scream harder than we drag them.
Great post. Wouldn’t it be better if the progressives took ownership of these issue and run with them in the primaries?
Yeah, Rasmussen. Taken with large grains of NaCl.
stewartm
That’s because the Tea Party members have jobs.
Not according to my newsfeed. Many of them seem to be in retirement.
-stewartm
Hey, there are the company-sponsored protests and rallies, and then there are those you have to go to on vacation time (and even then wear a mask so that your boss doesn’t identify you on the TeeVee).
-stewartm, it’s all part of that “Freedom of Speech” we all enjoy.
So at Tea Party rallies, who you say have jobs, they’re doing…what exactly? Loafing?
-stewartm, say, that shoe would fit.
Plus I have a number of employed family members, who are ardent T-Party rally attenders… they’ve all been to a number of T-Party rallies (not just recently, though), and hey: guess what??? Amazing factiod: they have JOBS, too.
Seriously, just looking at those grey hairs at T-Party rallies, I think a good many of them are the kind who are against all guv’mint spending. Just so long as politicians also “keep their hands off my Medicare” (or SS).
-stewartm, not adding 2 + 2.
If only Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress could appreciate where public sentiment has moved since the midterms, they would realize that “negotiating” with Republicans who still are fueled by Tea Party rage against unions and government spending has no value.
That strategy is not a bug, it is a *feature*!! The Dems job is to validate all conservative proposals, no matter how destructive or outlandish, as credible, even “good ideas” (Obama).
stewartm
Sadly your right. Who is actually moving the progressive agenda forward. There are lots who claim to want to promote the progressive agenda but those same folks gave us a health care plan designed by neo-con republicans, a tax structure designed by neo-con republicans, no regulation of the most out of control industries (oil, finance, pharma, medicine, etc). Two and a half wars, etc etc.
Whereas the tea party has a Democrat President pushing budget cuts and deficit reduction.
I’d say they’ve already won.
A lot of the protesters have jobs. I don’t know how it is in your state, but hear in the state of Florida, people such as me are having to look for work because teabaggers are obsessed with cutting services that people need. I hope you’re happy.
Sorry, Jim…not buying it.
The FY 2011 budget fight is front page news, and no matter what world events push the U.S. debt crisis from the front pages, it always returns.
Whatever President Obama may have hoped for or intended, the debt crisis has become the enduring issue of his Presidency.
Actually “jobs” are the enduring issue. As Cheney said, and the GOP seemed to reiterate when they refused to raise taxes on the $250,000 or above set, “deficits don’t matter.”
They are both enduring issues, #1 and #2. Ask around, see how many people say “deficits don’t matter”.
Unions beat governors by 10 points…
But a public option had 70% support and we never got that either.
Obama would be HAPPY if unions lost just so he had something to raise funs.
“Like student loan reform.”
Which matters little if student loans are sacrificed on the alter of deficit reduction. The mechanism matters little if there is no budget.