
Gen. James (fun to shoot some people) Mattis is meeting with the head of Pakistan's military today. What could possibly go wrong? (photo: Wikimedia Commons)
As relations between the US and Pakistan continue to deteriorate, it appears that drone strikes have again been put on hold. I can find no reports of any strikes since the March 17 strike on a village jirga killed over forty people. This strike especially infuriated Pakistan, coming just a day after Raymond Davis was released and, despite ample evidence of many civilians being killed, the initial US response was defiant, claiming that only militants were killed and that those killed “weren’t gathering for a bake sale”. Pakistan immediately canceled its participation in the already delayed (due to the Davis case again) trilateral meeting with the US and Afghanistan. I can find no new date yet announced for this meeting. The US military has clearly stated that General David Petraeus has not apologized to Pakistan’s military for the strike and now General James (fun to shoot some people) Mattis is meeting with the head of Pakistan’s army today. This meeting comes amid yet another escalation in the diplomatic break between the two countries, as Dawn reports that a number of US military personnel have been barred from the leaving the country.
There is a chronological list of drone strikes in Pakistan at Wikipedia. Note that Raymond Davis was arrested after killing two Pakistanis on January 7 of this year. It took a while for relations over this incident to fray, but notice that at the height of the Davis crisis, there were no drone strikes between the strikes on January 23 and February 21, a gap of almost a month. It was in the middle of that gap, on February 12, when the US announced that it was delaying the trilateral meeting, presumably as a protest against Davis being held. We now are in a gap of three weeks, with no reported attacks since the March 17 attack a day after Davis’ release. This attack prompted a rare immediate response from the Pakistan military:
The Pakistani military chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, issued an unusual and unusually strong condemnation of the attack. “It is highly regrettable that a jirga of peaceful citizens, including elders of the area, was carelessly and callously targeted with complete disregard to human life,” the statement said.
And as mentioned above, the US response only heightened the crisis:
But American officials on Thursday sharply disputed Pakistan’s account of the strikes and the civilian deaths, contending that all the people killed were insurgents. “These people weren’t gathering for a bake sale,” an American official said. “They were terrorists.”
After some local Pakistani press reports that Petraeus had apologized to Kayani for the attack, the US military made the strange move of denying such an apology:
The International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) Commander in Afghanistan General David Petraeus has neither apologised nor given any explanation to Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani regarding the killing of 44 civilians in the March 17 drone attack in Dattakhel area of North Waziristan Agency.
A local news agency reported that Petraeus had contacted Kayani to apologise over the killings.
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When contacted by The News, a US military source in Pakistan denied these reports carried by a local news agency, and said, “With regards to the allegation that General Petraeus contacted the Pakistani military or that he expressed regret over this alleged incident, I can assure you that General Petraeus hasn’t had any contact with Pakistani military leaders since his meeting with General Kayani on March 3.”
In a further escalation of diplomatic moves, Pakistan has now barred a number of US military personnel from leaving the country:
There are varying claims about the number of US soldiers denied exit from the country. Some sources claim that about 20-30 people have been affected, while others contend the figure is slightly less than one hundred.
The men were assigned to the US Office of Defence Representative in Pakistan (ODRP), which oversees Washington`s military relations with Islamabad, including training and equipment.
Most of these people had been working on different projects with the Pakistan military. Some of the soldiers had overstayed their visas while a majority of them had expired NOCs.
In the midst of these tensions comes today’s meeting between General James Mattis, head of Central Command and Kayani:
General Mattis, head of US Central Command overseeing the wars in Afghanistan and the Middle East, would meet Pakistan’s army chief Ashfaq Kayani for a “regular, scheduled visit”, the US embassy in Islamabad said.
“It’s not extraordinary… it’s a military to military relationship,” said embassy spokesman Alberto Rodriguez.
But the visit comes after a US report this week criticised the Pakistani military for failing to forge a clear and sustained path to beat religious insurgents holed up in the lawless regions bordering Afghanistan.
Let’s hope that Mattis has learned some diplomacy since his famous speech in 2005:
Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded Marine expeditions in Afghanistan and Iraq, made the comments Tuesday during a panel discussion in San Diego, California.
“Actually it’s quite fun to fight them, you know. It’s a hell of a hoot,” Mattis said, prompting laughter from some military members in the audience. “It’s fun to shoot some people. I’ll be right up there with you. I like brawling.
“You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil,” Mattis said. “You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.”
What could possibly go wrong by sending this man to a critical meeting during a time of frayed relations?



23 Comments

Quick, Mr. President! Another squadron of F-16′s! (With spare parts witheld pending the falling into line of these ungrateful wogs..)
At least one good thing might come out of a government shut down. Those drones cost money.
Now, now, Margaret, we can always disconnect a few life-support systems in hospitals, or put the schoolkids on half-rations, to keep the “freedom-blessings from heaven!” program going.
WTF, why don’t we just send the Drone bill to Jeffry Immelt and GE. I hear they had a good 2010.
That’s not how it works. GE needs to be the “free” (from what is unspecified).
Does anyone else think these paperless wink and nod agreements might come back, in the form of an ass bite, in the future ?
Our relations can get worse?
Presdinent Obomber is about to have a whole lot more on his ever evolving plate. What is wrong with you Barry?!!
Although drones are unmanned, they are still a projection of lethal force abroad. Just like having boots on the ground. How come there is no Congressional oversight of this under the War Powers Act, or some other binding resolution? (Or, you know, a formal declaration of war as provided by the Constitution?)
Shouldn’t there be a discussion of these attacks in places like Pakistan and Yemen are legal? Moral? Effective? The silence on this is defeaning, no?
Or is this another example of the end of checks-and-balances and a semblance of democracy in the United States?
Meanwhile, things go from bad to worse in Nihon:
Think on the brightside Japan at least you don’t have fucking Obama!
There was a 6.5 near Veracruz MX too.
fleep
Check out the “Earthquakes” chart, seventh from the bottom. Aftershocks from 3/11.
Whole lotta shakin’ goin’ on.
Does Gates have a cot in Saudi? He was there again yesterday talking with Saudi King Abdullah?
This is the problem with Pakistan and United States. Who is the bigger liar? Who is the greater terrorist? Although Pakistan has a fundamental policy of supporting terrorism, so does neo-con Betrayus. The US neo-cons secretly provide support for Pakistan’s ISI terrorism. So, the real reason for the problems between allies is not obvious. Unless, Pakistan just wants more of US taxpayer dollars.
The ISI does recruit and train suicide bombers. But the Betrayus drones are the symetrical warfare equivalent. Except Drones are less accurate and are a coward’s way of fighting a War For Oil and Terror.
It’d be much easier to ask it the other way. Is there anything that isn’t wrong with you, Mr. President?
‘Does Gates have a cot in Saudi?’
No, he just borrows the one Bush used to use after his romantic walks thru the palace grounds holding hands with the King.
Well, I hear he’s going to be looking for a new job soon…
@ ThingsComeUndone April 7th, 2011 at 7:35 am
Youbetcha!
markfromireland
If these Pakistanis or other Pakistani victims of killer drone attacks were perhaps just having a “bake sale” — and were not terrorists — it will not be possible to find out now will it? They are dead because of this American run and done killer drone attack. Their families,friends and loved ones will just forget about who killed them right? Thats what any American would do if it happened to them right? Thats what you (the reader) would do right?
These American killer drone attacks are based on intel that is sourced, processed and targeted on American set of criteria on American say so — what could go wrong or be wrong with this approach?
No evidence of Americans just willy nilly killing civilians due to error or inclination to “just shoot for fun” in Afghanistan or Pakistan is there?
Pakistan appears to have now become the Cambodia/Laos not very secret but still secret ” war zone” part of this American War on Afghanistan (the Vietnam part)
…what could go wrong for Pakistan ? Can’t be any Pol Pot types in Pakistan right? Besides it is a “off the books” CIA and Pentagon run little dirty war — no real world blowback possible right?
This defiant “we ain’t going to apologise” posture is so Israeli like in tone…is IDF advising Pentagon in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Or is this the “humanitarian” R2P militarism Americans do in Afghanistan and Pakistan that Libya is now getting from POTUS Obama?
General “its fun to shoot some people” Mattis is who POTUS Obama has put in charge of U.S.Central Command for Afghanistan and ME?
Americans have a POTUS who was given a Nobel Peace Prize who is this guys boss. It does not look like POTUS Obama is going with a less terror,less wanton killing and less Israeli styled “lets kill and then kill some more” approach. Obama is no peacelover. Can we be clear on this? Barack Obama is no peacelover. Not in Afghanistan. Not in Pakistan. What peace is Barack Obama mentoring or sponsoring in Afghanistan or Pakistan?
Barack Obama has fallen so short so often of what he claimed to be for during 2008 WH election. Over and over.
It’s not a matter of “are you in ?” with Barack Obama anymore — it is now a matter of Barack Obama being voted out of the WH in 2012.
Obama, your robotic drone murder King.
shootthatarrow,
You are right, “If these Pakistanis or other Pakistani victims of killer drone attacks were perhaps just having a “bake sale” — and were not terrorists — it will not be possible to find out now will it? They are dead because of this American run and done killer drone attack. Their families,friends and loved ones will just forget about who killed them right? Thats what any American would do if it happened to them right? Thats what you (the reader) would do right?”
The killing of innocent people is part of what keeps the endless war going.
If we finally kill all the bad guys, the war would be over. MIC and the MUTU’s would need to start another one somewhere else.
By killing Innocent people, we perpetuate the everwar and the MIC and MOTU’s keep making $$ uninerupted.
This defiant “we ain’t going to apologise” posture is so Israeli like in tone…is IDF advising Pentagon in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Or is this the “humanitarian” R2P militarism Americans do in Afghanistan and Pakistan that Libya is now getting from POTUS Obama?
Just look who Obama put in charge.
Holbrooke must have been the one holding it all together, but yeah, a good portion of the State Dept could just as easily stand in for Israel as well. Chas Freeman, the only pro-American that 0 picked got nixed by the tribe.