Clay Hunt, widely known and respected for his work in multiple groups assisting Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, took his own life on March 31. Hunt’s death is particularly tragic because he appeared in a Public Service Announcement for Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) and generally was a voice for veterans getting the help they need for dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder. From the IAVA obituary:
It is with unspeakable sadness that IAVA staff and members across the country mourn the loss of Clay Hunt. Clay took his own life on March 31st. Clay served in the Marine Corps for 4 years before being honorably discharged in 2009. He served in an infantry squad in Iraq in 2007 where he was wounded in action, receiving the Purple Heart Medal, and then in Afghanistan in 2008 as a Scout-Sniper.
Clay was an incredible advocate for our generation of veterans, a person of tremendous character and a fierce believer in the value of service. He was a leader for IAVA, participating in Storm the Hill 2010 and playing a critical role in the Ad Council campaign. In addition to his involvement with IAVA, he was active with Team Rubicon and Ride to Recovery. Clay believed his mission in life was to serve both in and out of the military. That is something that we will never forget.
Equally tragic is that the Pentagon will not count Hunt’s death among the spiraling figures for military suicides. From CNN:
“In my mind he is a casualty of war,” she [Hunt's mother, Susan Selke] said. “But he died here instead of over there. He died as a result of his war experience. There is no doubt in my mind.”
But Hunt’s death will not be counted by the Pentagon as an official military suicide, since he left the Marines in 2009.
“That is a complete sham in my opinion,” [Hunt's sniper school partner Jake] Wood said. “Part of Clay was killed in Iraq. Part of Clay was killed in Afghanistan and the rest of him was killed in Houston, Texas. And if that is not reflected in military statistics, it’s a shame.”
Last September, Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen addressed the increased rate of military suicides:
A dramatic surge in troop suicides has become the Pentagon’s top “emergency” issue, though the brass doesn’t know how to curb the tragedies. Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that while suicides have been on the rise since 2004, the height of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, they have really jumped recently, forcing he and his top aides to look for a solution.
“The emergency issue for me right now is the suicide issue,” he said at a media roundtable breakfast today. Just last week, he added, five Army soldiers took their lives. “It’s a very difficult problem. There’s not a national solution,” he said.
After admitting that the rate is likely to increase further before declining, Mullen then acknowledged that returning vets also are at risk:
What’s more, he added, the surge in troops coming home may encounter troubled families when they arrive back home. “I think we’re going to see a significant increase in the challenges that we have in terms of our troops and our families because they are going to have some time [together at home] and if things have been pent up or packed in or basically suppressed or sucked up, what ever term you want to use, we’re going to see that as well,” Mullen said.
So the Pentagon knows that returning vets face a high suicide risk and yet the Pentagon refuses to include these deaths among the official suicide figures. This means, of course, that the suicide figures actually are even much higher than the Pentagon admits.
Perhaps the most frustrating aspect of this whole situation is that the Obama administration launched its effort to support military families this week. Sadly, however, the program being launched is being used as a vehicle to rehabilitate the image of war criminal Stanley McChrystal, against the wishes of Pat Tillman’s family, who suffered greatly from McChrystal’s role in covering up the friendly fire aspect of Tillman’s death. Furthermore, the program is being administered by the Center for a New American Security, which is funded by military contractors and is involved in a campaign to sell the idea of extending the Iraq war. At a time when it should be stepping up real services for both active military personnel and for veterans, the Obama administration is playing the worst sort of cynical politics with military families. There are no words to describe the evil of this situation.



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Unbelievably sad…
and infuriating.
Hey Pentagon:
You. Can’t. Handle. The. Truth.
Tragic and infuriating. Thanks for posting on this.
Jim,
I think you could usefully re-read this in its entirety:
Shatter Their Minds | MyFDL:
The government takes teenagers, who have brains that are not fully matured, often with the wrongful encouragement of their parents, and trains them to kill other human beings, which they do, so of course there is a psychological cost. Admiral Mullen doesn’t understand it because he made his stripes steering ships, not killing Asians.
“There’s not a national solution,” he said. Well, yeah, admiral, there is a solution — stop the wars.
“Twain’s question” rang a bell
The War Prayer, by Mark Twain:
“”Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it –
For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!
We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.”
It’s a tragic commentary that my first thought was to wonder if it was a suicide. rip.
I can only repeat part of my comment from that post:
“Col Ihsaan was quite correct in his analysis.”
Having been involved in the establishment of the PTSD program at the VA in the early 80s I think I can safely say the Pentagon will do all in it’s power to keep this issue out of the public eye. The Pentagon fought us tooth and nail over Agent Orange then PTSD. In the words of one of the leaders in the fight over Agent Orange:
“They killed me in Viet Nam and I didn’t know it.”
I would like to stop all of the wars, but honestly, I do not know how. I am hoping that this soldier’s relatives might find some comfort in that we all want to see the wars end and the dying to end.
“So the Pentagon knows that returning vets face a high suicide risk and yet the Pentagon refuses to include these deaths among the official suicide figures. This means, of course, that the suicide figures actually are even much higher than the Pentagon admits.”
To me that make sense since Hunt was no longer in the military. In reading what Mullen said, it seemed pretty clear that was what he was talking about, rather than trying to give a deceptive statistic. You’d be talking about a whole different set of numbers if you added up all the veterans into the pool and then looked at their suicide rate and then made a determination of how many of those were military-related suicides. There’s far more veterans than there are active duty and reserve troops and if you added those veterans, I wouldn’t presume that the figure is higher than the current figure for troops only.
Yes, Mullen is talking about active duty suicides but that’s only part of the problem. There’s also the distinction between combat and non-combat veterans. I don’t know what figures the military uses today because of all the private contractors but it used to be that there were 10 support troops for every combat trooper. If the number of suicides by combat veterans was shown as a percentage of only combat veterans rather than all veterans the figure would probably be much higher. If the number of suicides by active duty and discharged combat veterans were combined and known to the public the figure would be a huge problem for the Pentagon and Congress.
A dramatic surge in troop suicides has become the Pentagon’s top “emergency” issue, though the brass doesn’t know how to curb the tragedies.
End both wars now think of suicide by solders as an extreme example of what many workers at low payed, crappy jobs in China who work for Apple face.
Forced overtime, little contact with their families or friends, horrible working conditions Depleted Uranium exposure is probably as bad as anything Chinese or American worker face.
Then add killing and torturing civilians not all of our troops do it but I bet they have all heard first hand accounts of that going on from troops who have done it.
I bet most of them have seen dead civilians women and kids shot by mistake laying by the road.
They have sen their fellow soldiers their friends die often screaming in pain.
They know this is a war for oil. They know they are suffering because instead of rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan like we rebuilt Europe and Japan after WW2 we barely did anything to rebuild both these countries.
Any bets if we had rebuilt both these countries and used Iraqi and Afghan labor rather than foreign workers because they are cheaper there we would not here about our troops being shot today?
Bankers get a bailout and bonuses. If all that cash had been spent in Iraq and Afghanistan providing jobs rebuilding the countries and increasing oil and natural gas production for Iraqis and Afghans then we would not need troops there today.
Plus gas would be much cheaper than it is today.
High gas prices has been linked to every recession since WW2 I predict therefore a double dip recession.
We need data the army has a compelling interest we need contact information on American foreign contractors mercs and workers and we need to see what their suicide rate is.
If violating moral principles are a increased risk factor in suicides then we have to study Blackwater Mercs and CIA spooks.
Is violating your moral code hazardous to your health? That would make a great research study!
Take a look at behaviors of people before and after they kill and torture people take a look at how much they kill and torture people and see if old behaviors get replaced by new behaviors like drinking, drugs, depression whatever.
Most of our troops can be the control they have all seen dead civilians a few have shot them by accident.
But the Blackwater Mercs and CIA Spooks they have killed and tortured often just how has this experience changed them?
Do they have more suicides?
Who can I call to get grant funding assuming I can get the numbers?
I get grief from a lot of conservatives I know for being anti-war. Many of these conservatives profess to believe that Team USA “had to” attack Irak in order to “take Iraki oil because the USA *needs* it.” I am quoting almost directly. When I ask where the Iraki Oil actually IS, I get a lot of jive-talk from said conservatives.
When I ask what their position is on taking care of returning Vets, among whom their is often a high suicide rate, I also get a boat load of jive-talk… all the while said conservatives continue their nearly endless whiiiiing about their taxes, etc.
I am called all kinds of not so nice names for being against these wars. I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of US citizens really don’t give a sh*t about our youth, esp those in the military. They’ve been given a convenient scapegoat in the so-called liberal peace-activists to point their fingers at and pass some kind of “blame” onto liberals for not being “patriotic.” And that’s it. Returning Vets? Eff them; wah wah I don’t want to pay any taxes… lather rinse repeat.
Thank you for this post. I am dreadfully sorry, but unsurprised, to read theis news. My heart goes out to his family. A crying d*mn shame and for such pathetic reasons… like making Dick Cheney even richer… bastards.
With the U.S. drawdown in Iraq, the Army is finally confronting an epidemic of drug abuse and criminal behavior that many commanders acknowledge has been made worse because they’d largely ignored it during nearly a decade of wars on two fronts.
http://my.firedoglake.com/dubhaltach/2010/10/07/shatter-their-minds/
The MSM has not covered this FDL covers war crime and torture but criminal behavior I’m sure Iraqis with gold well that would tempt me but once you get stealing the next time and next time after that it gets easier.
If someone shoots at you cause your stealing then your not defending America but I’m sure thats how the death is officially recorded most of the time.
The point now you got guilt.
We need to identify the number of acts troops feel guilty about how much they feel guilty about certain acts do they feel more guilty if the acts are covered up. Do they feel guilty if they just watch these acts do they feel guilty if they are aware of these acts do they feel more guilty if people they they or command do these acts do they feel guilty staying silent or covering up these acts.
We could do a research study easy. I think the army knows all this they just have Cognitive Dissonance and won’t ask the obvious questions I think in 5 minutes of getting this data.
The resistance consciously set out to inflict constant tension,constant sleeplessness, constant mental pain, and constant uncertainty, and fear upon the American invaders. The idea was to do this until a large proportion of the invaders were worn out with fatigue, grief, horror and pain.
http://my.firedoglake.com/dubhaltach/2010/10/07/shatter-their-minds/
Your friend left out Guilt as a factor as I point out some of the guilt our troops did all on their own.
I would love to hear your friend’s thought on guilt and if they have seen any evidence of guilt by our troops whether they see evidence of guilt or not felt by our troops in the field would be interesting.
If the troops keep things bottled up if they don’t try and make an open acknowledgment of guilt to the people they harm well I think that would be an increased risk factor for suicide.
Mark was your friend trained by Americans maybe the School for the Americas ? If not I’m sure they would hire him as a teacher I’m impressed and I thought I had a gift for twisted thinking.
If you have read the Dune books the phrase Twisted Mentant applies I am not sure its a compliment nut given abu graid it was necessary.
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“It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.” seems most applicable here.
It’s got the smell of scam all over it, Sparky.
Then the Mods should remove the comment scamming Vets is worse than swearing or personal attacks in my book.
You’d think this tragic and unexpected suicide would give some pause to the folks clamoring for the military to take Bradley Manning off of POI watch.
The mods have reviewed the comment and its links.
Without endorsing the program, we tend to think it’s legit and always want to support any efforts that help our veterans.
Its your call if you think its legit I bow to your expertise.
R.I.P., Clay.
Semper Fi.
Things keep going like they’re going and plenty of us veterans are gonna be relearning the skills our dear Uncle taught us. The Confederates never surrendered after the war, they just snuck away to regroup. They’ve resurfaced throughout congress subverting the legitimacy of our constitutional system of government and fomenting what amounts to treason.
After doing my post I went and researched it and it looks like veterans actually have a higher suicide rate than active duty troops (around 20/100,000 versus around 15/100,000). Just it doesn’t look like the VA is formally tracking that – from what I found it was a news agency that tracked down the stats themselves. That being said, I would expect the VA to be the ones who should be responsible for this info, not the Pentagon.
@ SouthernDragon April 15th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Could be wrong but don’t agree.
markfromireland
A great author on guilt and war: Jonathon Shay in “Achilles in Vietnam” and “Odysseus in America”.
He calls it “moral bad luck” to be stuck in a place where one does great harm at the same time that great harm is done to one. The internal conflict that arises afterwards can be overwhelmingly destructive. Thus “they killed me in Vietnam but I didn’t know it til afterwards”.
Achilles in Vietnam by Jonathan Shay
http://www.enotes.com/achilles-vietnam-salem/achilles-vietnam
The premise being that Achilles ‘berserkness’ was brought about by the harming of themis, betrayal of what’s right, with the modern analogy that the very wars in which we engage introduce moral hazard that sometimes manifests itself as PTSD.
Very well reasoned agrument that is hard (impossible) to refute.
The very reason for berserkness becomes manifest, with the whole range of intermediate self-destructive actions justified by the strength and severity of each individual psyche.
Thanks adding to book list I must read:)
The CLE training referenced is not a scam – the Practising Law Institute is a legitimate Continuing Legal Education (CLE) provider that is offering this free training to LAWYERS to teach LAWYERS to help advocate on behalf of veterans in receiving the benefits to which they are entitled.
The link in my earlier post doesn’t seem to work, but if you go the Practising Law Institute and search on “veterans” the details of the program are available.
Sorry if it read like a scam, no magic wand there, but if any lawyer is inclined to learn and to do some pro-bono (free to the client) advocacy on behalf of a veteran in need, that would qualify as “lighting a candle” rather than cursing the darkness.
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