Today is the day that my worst fears will be realized, and the propaganda machine that has been mercilessly promoting the career of David Petraeus will achieve his nomination to be Director of Central Intelligence.
Aside from the horrible nature of this move in putting a blatantly political operator into a highly visible position from which he can consolidate his credentials for an eventual presidential campaign (see Spencer Ackerman for a very different take on this aspect), this move can be seen as finally completing Dick Cheney’s dream of moving virtually all intelligence functions into the Pentagon. Back when Michael Hayden was nominated to head CIA, the ongoing Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)-CIA turf war was noted:
What worries some experts, however, is a shift in the balance of power within the US intelligence infrastructure as the CIA is weakened and the Pentagon expands its role. For one thing, the Pentagon’s intelligence activities largely escape congressional scrutiny. ”Rumsfeld and Cambone claim that everything they do is a military operation,” says Richard Clarke, the former head of counterterrorism at the National Security Council, ”[and] that therefore nothing that they do should have oversight by the House and Senate intelligence committees. But they are doing things that are clearly intelligence.”
It is precisely this ability to “escape congressional scrutiny” that has driven the move to consolidate intelligence functions within the Pentagon. Here is more from Jeremy Scahill on how this was brought about:
While JSOC has long played a central role in US counterterrorism and covert operations, military and civilian officials who worked at the Defense and State Departments during the Bush administration described in interviews with The Nation an extremely cozy relationship that developed between the executive branch (primarily through Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld) and JSOC. During the Bush era, Special Forces turned into a virtual stand-alone operation that acted outside the military chain of command and in direct coordination with the White House. Throughout the Bush years, it was largely General McChrystal who ran JSOC. “What I was seeing was the development of what I would later see in Iraq and Afghanistan, where Special Operations forces would operate in both theaters without the conventional commander even knowing what they were doing,” said Colonel Wilkerson. “That’s dangerous, that’s very dangerous. You have all kinds of mess when you don’t tell the theater commander what you’re doing.”
Wilkerson said that almost immediately after assuming his role at the State Department under Colin Powell, he saw JSOC being politicized and developing a close relationship with the executive branch. He saw this begin, he said, after his first Delta Force briefing at Fort Bragg. “I think Cheney and Rumsfeld went directly into JSOC. I think they went into JSOC at times, perhaps most frequently, without the SOCOM [Special Operations] commander at the time even knowing it. The receptivity in JSOC was quite good,” says Wilkerson. “I think Cheney was actually giving McChrystal instructions, and McChrystal was asking him for instructions.” He said the relationship between JSOC and Cheney and Rumsfeld “built up initially because Rumsfeld didn’t get the responsiveness. He didn’t get the can-do kind of attitude out of the SOCOM commander, and so as Rumsfeld was wont to do, he cut him out and went straight to the horse’s mouth. At that point you had JSOC operating as an extension of the [administration] doing things the executive branch–read: Cheney and Rumsfeld–wanted it to do. This would be more or less carte blanche. You need to do it, do it. It was very alarming for me as a conventional soldier.”
The key thing to note here is how Cheney bypassed McChrystal’s direct commander in SOCOM to dictate McChrystal’s actions. At least in regard to when those actions were in Iraq, it should be noted that McChrystal’s field commander there was none other than David Petraeus. I think Wilkerson is wrong here when he claims that McChrystal was acting without the knowledge of the field commander. For McChrystal to be carrying out “rogue” operations at the direct command of the Vice President and bypassing his SOCOM commander, it seems inconceivable that Petraeus could not have been aware of what was happening. It seems most likely that Petraeus was both aware of what was going on and approved of it, since he is often seen as crediting McChrystal and his night raids for their effects in Iraq and then in Afghanistan. This means that Petraeus had to be aware of, and approved, Cheney’s actions that were designed to bypass congressional scrutiny of actions that would have been subject to oversight had they taken place through the CIA.
In today’s New York Times article about Petraeus’ nomination, we see that the blurring of the lines between intelligence and military functions already is almost complete:
The result is that American military and intelligence operatives are at times virtually indistinguishable from each other as they carry out classified operations in the Middle East and Central Asia. Some members of Congress have complained that this new way of war allows for scant debate about the scope and scale of military operations. In fact, the American spy and military agencies operate in such secrecy now that it is often hard to come by specific information about the American role in major missions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Libya and Yemen.
The operations have also created tension with important allies like Pakistan, while raising fresh questions about whether spies and soldiers deserve the same legal protections.
Officials acknowledge that the lines between soldiering and spying have blurred. “It’s really irrelevant whether you call it a covert action or a military special operation,” said Dennis C. Blair, a retired four-star admiral and a former director of national intelligence. “I don’t really think there is any distinction.”
I’m sure Dick Cheney approves of Obama’s move to put Petraeus in charge of the CIA, because it is clear that Petraeus fully subscribes to Cheney’s vision of a Pentagon in control of the most important intelligence functions, fully protected from congressional oversight.




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As I’ve mentioned before, this needs to be taken seriously.
Two things this brings to mind, neither of which are good developments.
One, this means there will never be any accountability for his wrong moves in Afghanistan. Petraeus nearly single handedly destroyed any ability for the U.S. to extricate itself from Afghanistan in the very near future. And his plans did not work, are not working and are leading to the destruction of more lives and our country and their country. He is responsible and he will never be held responsible.
Second, this gives him a legitimate civilian platform he does not deserve and positions him for future political runs. An extremely frightening prospect.
Link did not work…the collection of evil talent noted above is really sickening…Rummy, Cheney, Petr, McC…what a crew. The Sunday Parade Magazine had a nice feature about Jill Biden and the First Lady and their work for the Veteran families…very important, I think. But I would not support any project said to be guided by McC. And I think that appointment by the Pres. is Crass and Cruel…See Tillman. Thanks for this analysis. Where are we headed? Or, are we there yet?
I didn’t think it would actually happen.
We’re even closer to chaos than I thought. This is scary.
Find it chilling in the extreme to have the likes of Petraeus as Spook-in-Chief. Do average citizens even know that this happened, much less what it potentially portends? Sadly doubtful. Just shows exactly who Obama works for – Dick Cheney. I smell the putrid stench of the undead Cheney behind this little “appointment.”
I also learned yesterday that Halliburton is making money hand over fist… lot$ and lot$ and lot$ of US taxpayer dollah$… CHA-CHING!
Surely just a coincidence… /s
This is a continuation of the intel/military merger. Gates was a creature from the Bush family government placement service who headed the CIA before going to DOD.
Look: Obama’s just completing Bush’s Third Term. That’s all. Nothing to see here. Move along.
I wonder if we post it often enough if it could rise in the ranks of google: “Obama’s a corporate whore.” And “Bush’s Third Term.”
Wonder what it would take for Cheney to be “done” already? Guessing he has some strawmen to carry on. Plenty of stench all around, it seems.
I agree on both counts.
Thank you for alerting me. This is the link ( http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=49580755978 ) to “David Petraeus for President of The United States of America!” on Facebook.
Yup, be sure to click on my “propaganda machine” link and watch the ad that the screen grab is from. The Army blatantly put Petreaus into a group of former military people who became president in this ad. Why is there not a huge outrage at the ad and what it means in terms of pushing Petreaus for president?
Seeing as how Cheney has figured out the way (and has your & my tax dollars to provide him with PLENTY of money) to keep himself undead… so I suppose, like all Zombies, Cheney will continue sucking the lifeblood out of the living until such time as…. ??? who knows. My mind boggles anymore.
So much for CIA activities in support of diplomacy. We’ll now have a man in charge whose only tool is a hammer. What could go wrong?
Good darn question, Mr. White. I’m outraged and my prior question stills stands.
The google bomb on Santorum worked. Obama would be harder but probably doable. Someone should put some thought into it and post a diary…
I’d be down to pitch in for that effort.
Maybe this switch will help them to find Bin Laden!/snark
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/05/years-of-deceit-us-openly-accepts-bin-laden-long-dead/
Well, I think he’ll be there mainly to swing that hammer at the walls on the inside at Langley. By the time he’s done, look for CIA to be reduced to nothing, and for the Pentagon to step in and say “We’ll take it from here.”
Look out FBI, you’re next on the chopping block.
He now would have no excuse not to expose the joint Military/ CIA
torture apparatus and the snuff films producers and directors. Great news , can’t wait !
Agree. Not a bad idea and worth a try.
That’s what I’m kind of figuring.
Given the fact that the CIA looks increasingly useless in their fumbling attempts to gain “information,” well, not great loss. Plus there appear to other “secret” organizations doing similar work to the CIA.
But of course it’s the Military dictatorship aspect of this all that strikes bald-faced fear into my heart. not good.
The strategy is clear: Tuck him away somewhere for 2012 — lest he be a VP candidate. No matter that it allows him to avoid responsibility for the disaster in Afghanistan, or that it makes no sense to have this clown at the CIA down the road, from America’s standpoint.
2012 baby — all the way.
Thanks for the link. That’s like: no shit Sherlock. And isn’t that WHY we’re allegedly in Afghanistan in the first place???… oops, no I plumb forgot: it’s to provide women’s rights to poor benighted Afghani women… ooops, no I forgot: it’s to bring freedumbs to the Afghani citizens by destroying the oppression of the Taliban… ooops, I forgot… it’s to obtain access to all of those rare earth minerals and access to OIL pipelines, yadda yadda… so many reasons… so hard to figure out…
Well the CIA is so clearly mis-managed, I guess they figured that kicking Petraeus upstairs made sense… in that Peter Principle kind of way.
Mother Jones picked up on this in 2007:
(excerpt from “Like Ike: Petraeus for President?,” Sep. 10, 2007)
The there’s this from 2009:
(excerpt from “Peter King: Plus or Minus?,” Petraeus2012.Com, Oct. 16, 2009)
I posit that Trump is the warm-up band to prime the environment with Obama’s assistance yesterday and rally the supporters for the real candidate to emerge.
Yup. And that military dictatorship comes without any congressional oversight to prevent us getting there.
It really is hard to keep up with the reasons, now we are trying to squash our friends the Taliban. You know, those wicked little army men of the country. Now we have to teach them how to be police men and air force personnel cause God knows they don’t have a viable army!
Did you click the link to watch Mrs. Bhutto again? I still think that is why she was murdered.
Being a peacenik, I have never understood the great charm and influence of the military…for a while I had an acquaintance who was so thrilled to be a military wife. I do not mean any of this to disrespect brave, necessary soldiers, etc….but what is the huge enthusiasm, esp now for deploying the kids of someone else.
I’m wondering how the old timers in the CIA feel about becoming the newest branch of the military. I also wonder if they will have to go through their intelligence training and a fitness bootcamp style program.
My family has spent generations in the military, all the way back to the revolutionary wars. In fact, I currently have family in the military and some serving in the Pentagon. I’m proud to have them trained to protect this country. What I am not proud of is that they are sent to war for the sole purpose of Corporate profit and takeover of other countries for the sole purpose of corporate profit on the backs of us tax payers.
Any doubts now that Barry is a Neocon at heart?
Former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern: Petraeus Will Expand Pro-War Agenda As New CIA Director; Democracy Now!; 4/28/11
http://tinyurl.com/3whj4he
NONE!
He can’t be that big of an idiot that he simply takes whatever they say as the truth and real situation.
So, Panetta as Sec Def, Petraeus as CIA director, Crocker as Ambassador to Afghanistan but who will be replacing Petraeus in Afghanistan? And will it make any difference at all there?
All those times that we suspected the CIA as causing havoc and instigating unrest so the military could jump in…
Well, you know now.
“Petraeus to CIA. Barack Obama Completes Cheney’s Dream, Consolidates Intelligence Within Pentagon”
As the saying goes, “There, fixed that for you”…
Memo to Barry: Edit your own speeches!!!! Stop saying “a opportunity”…”a occasion”….drives me freaking nuts.
Thanks
Allen…I think.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/160254/panetta-petraeus-gen-allen-bad-news-good-news
Tangential– I thought this was very interesting: ‘DOJ Drops Probe of Whistleblower Who Exposed Bush-Era Domestic Spying, Thomas Tamm: “The Bottom Line Is I Don’t Think I Ever Broke The Law”” (DemocracyNow.Org, Apr. 28, 2011)
Ah, good. I contributed to his defense fund. This is one of the confusing things about Barry — he occasionally does good things like this while being otherwise largely Cheney-like in where he’s taking the country.
lots of dossiers have been accumulated over thirty or so years.
with a lot of embarrassing information in them
Peasant Party mentioned the FBI. I suppose there will be something called the FBI, but I imagine this militarized/spook stuff (without accountabilty or oversight) will be implemented here for reasons of homeland security and domestic tranquility.
We are being assimilated; is resistence futile…?
Beyond talk of oligarchs and plutocrats, the tentacles of the JSOC represents a major step toward personal power vested in the unitary Executive alone, i.e., a dictatorship.
Ah, thanks!
Just to state what’s probably obvious to many here more sophisticated than I: Betrayus is a bad choice because he’s military and the CIA is a civilian agency, because he’s an ass-kissing little chickenshit when we need someone of courage and integrity, and because he’s highly self-promotional in nature when we need someone who’s actually, you know, devoted to the country, the people and the Constitution and stuff.
Norske hinted in a comment a while back about a rift in the right-wing between the Bankers/Yankees on the one hand, and the Oilmen/DOD on the other.
If my limited understanding of the history of inteligence services in general, and the CIA in particular serves me right, I’d say that the Oilmen/DOD have just succeeded in taking over our intel services, what was once the turf of the Yankee/Bankers.
IOW, the South has risen again.
I’ll leave it to ask Norske to confirm if this in any way relates to the right-wing rift that I read between the lines of his comments?
As Tamm has been destroyed professionally, he could still use some bucks. What’s the update to this?
We have too damn many intel agencies doing the same thing. Not just the CIA and the DIA. There are lots of very specialized intel agencies in the military. The CIA buys its intel-and gets caught buying cons quite often. As does the DIA- Spending mountains of cash to get intel, does not make much sense.
Many of the smaller specialized agencies do not have the unlimited amounts of cash, but can come up with better intel than the big boys can. Which, nonetheless, is ignored by the politicals when it does not fit into their preconceived ideas and ideology
Since the days of Surge 1 in Iraq and Surge 2 in Afghanistan it had become clear that Petraeus was being groomed by the PTB to be next puppet after the Enabler in 2016. The right wing is trying to get another ultra-macho man to put in front of the masses. It is what fascist care about.
Well, I don’t agree…COIN has not and will not be implemented in Afghanistan. McChrystal did not get the troops he asked for and neither did Petraeus and that is what it would have taken along with a committment of another 10 years. The President decided, correctly, the time frame to be too long and the costs too high.
Now, let’s look at what we are facing there which is either a structured withdrawal or a continuation of a quagmire because this is not “winnable”..and everytime a GOP talks about winning, I want to throw up. Petraeus never said anything about winning…too smart. I think the President is going to get us out of Afghanistan.
The next question is can Petraeus manage the CIA and what does that portend for the future of the Agency and the military? Well, I’m a Andrew Bachvich guy and he said last night hope for the future of the military and the thrust of where the military goes rests in the hands of the captains and majors who are looking at the situation we find ourselves in today and say we are sacrificing our economic future at the hands of our military budget and exposure in the world. He hopes we pull it back, cut the budget and realize the problems we face are going to be more economic and less military. I want cuts because when what you have have is a hammer you start to see everything as a nail. I think Panetta can cut that damn budget. I think Petraeus can change the culture and the intelligence gathering abilities of the Agency for the better. I still have hope.
Petraeus was not and is not the problem in Afghanistan; that was not leaving after we missed OBL and treating the Taliban as the enemy. The problem is we missed him, stayed to get him while he moved to Pakistan, discovered Pakistan was a huge threat and tried to rebuild Afghanistan to again make us feel better about spreading democracy. We can go after Al Qaeda where we find them without 100k troops and the challenge is going to be having the guts to pull out of this new, big muddy.
Does this mean the CIA is incapable of defending itself from the Pentagon?
There would be ” the CIA that you know, and then there would be the CIA that you think we know, but there might be a CIA that you think you know but you probably don’t…. ” /S
Sounds like your saying the poor CIA can’t handle this guy if he comes in swinging his hammer. Don’t they have some (compartmented agents) that they can call on? Aren’t these the guys that are smart, and connected, and placed?
What Kissinger said about the soldiers: about how that they are there to be used, etc. (a tendency for ham handedness, not so much finesse.)
Congressional oversight might be a highly over rated idea, what do they over see, or over look nowadays, as the checks come in from… the contractors? (global corp citizens)? who’s overseeing the overseers, and how’s that doing?
Petreyus might as well be president, if they build him up for that, he can be a “man on horseback” to put everything back together, post depression, and if he screws up he can be replaced. He doesn’t have gravitas like Stalin or Hitler or de Gualle etc. no real personality to worry about.
I wish you had a little more insight that the role of a soldier is to carry out the mission set by the CINC. Petraeus didn’t betray anyone, least of all the citizens of the U.S. He was given a mission and did his best to carry it out; he owed “us” nothing beyond his oath to the Constitution and carrying out the lawful orders of the CINC. To belittle him like that is just wrong and not fair; it is also a huge reason many in the military despise the left. I am a veteran, a liberal and a progressive and everytime someone calls him “Betrayus” I want to slap them..including you.
amy goodman interviewed this man today.
ooops, no I forgot: it’s to bring freedumbs to the Afghani citizens by destroying Afganistan
Fixed it for ya…
You could always resort to slapping yourself instead for being a myopic sycophant for Betrayus and the corporate enforcement arm of the US government known as the military. The Constitution doesn’t empower the military to invade countries for natural resources nor go to war without a declaration by Congress. Participation in an illegal, undeclared war just makes Petraeus another war criminal.
Petraeus. spelling mistake, no disrespect intended.
PS: as for gravitas. I mean bigger than life personalities, that could be real leaders and George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abe Lincoln, the Euro Dictators were recent examples of something pretty terrible, but if the situation keeps going on, there will be a time when… “the center doesn’t hold anymore” then look out.
TEHelms: Not sure where all your reverence for Petraeus is coming from, but in my opinion, it is sadly misplaced. My diaries over the years document how this man made a calculated, political decision to join the Bush propaganda on “training” our way out of Iraq and then Afghanistan. His efforts on that front have been an abject failure, but because of his propensity to kiss up to politicians, his slate gets wiped clean once each Friedman Unit and he is free to continue on his way. Be sure especially to read this diary:
http://my.firedoglake.com/jimwhite/2011/01/14/who-are-those-guys-who-want-petraeus-to-get-his-fifth-star/
In that diary you will find documentation that the Republican front group that made the failed attempt to get Petreaus his fifth star had as their number one candidate backed in the 2010 midterms none other than Alan West. You know him, the guy who “retired” from the military when he was facing dishonorable discharge but opted for the quick retirement and $5000 fine for discharging a weapon next to a detainee’s head in a mock execution (and is now a Congressman in Florida, having people arrested and maced for daring to ask him a question). These are the morals of Petraeus and the people who promote him.
Ray McGovern doesn’t think this isn’t such a good idea.
I felt a little nauseated reading the part where Petraeus signs an email to Max Boot with a “Roger” and a :-). Yuck, what a weasel.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/04/28-13
I think Spencer is wrong, frequently. Petraeus will now be able legally to get at all the dirt he wants on his opponents and supporters and waiverers in both camps.
Sure, he will religiously spend his days running agencies that support his many friends at the DoD, on the Hill and in the West Wing. He will also be able to mount counter-offensives against political appointees that disrupt his friends, their programs, and their afterlives as contractors.
He will also burn the midnight oil taking care of himself. He always has. Only now, he will have access to more data and resources than ever.
This appointment is another Obama cave-in to his opponents. As usual, Mr. Obama will think this a masterstroke in his own relentless, unstoppable climb to the top. Except that he’s already there, and slipping just as resolutely down hill. His long term effects will rival, possibly outpace, the harm done by George W. Bush.
Well, it would be a good idea to have your towel handy, plus a beer and a few peanuts.
Thanks, Clemenza.
Hi, harpie. Thanks for putting up the link to today’s diary over at Glenn’s.
Sure thing! That’s a neat little circle!
Don’t ask me why, but I thought you were Clemenza. Oy! Anyway, you’re quite welcome! The rest of my previous answer does not make any sense…ugh.
I’ve linked to this before, but the timing for Petraeus for President makes perfect sense according to this
The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012
It’s actually a cautionary tale
Interesting comments here
And there’s a follow up, which I haven’t read yet, called
Melancholy Reunion: A Report From the Future on the Collapse of Civil-Military Relations in the United States
And about the facebook group wanting him to run for Pres, I think Petreaus should be reminded of Washington’s address to the Newburgh Conspirators of the Cincinnatus Society