
White House photo by Pete Souza of President Obama making phone calls to leaders, most likely including Pakistani President Zardari, before making his public statement Sunday night.
Although there were a few small demonstrations on Monday, Tuesday appears to be quiet in Pakistan on the second day after the US killed Osama Bin Laden just outside Islamabad. Warnings to be wary of reprisals have been voiced by both the US and Pakistani governments and two US consulates in Pakistan have been closed as a precaution.
Writing in Tuesday’s Washington Post, Pakistani Presdient Asif Ali Zardari pointed out that Pakistan has suffered greatly (and he personally) at the hands of al Qaeda:
Let us be frank. Pakistan has paid an enormous price for its stand against terrorism. More of our soldiers have died than all of NATO’s casualties combined. Two thousand police officers, as many as 30,000 innocent civilians and a generation of social progress for our people have been lost. And for me, justice against bin Laden was not just political; it was also personal, as the terrorists murdered our greatest leader, the mother of my children. Twice he tried to assassinate my wife. In 1989 he poured $50 million into a no-confidence vote to topple her first government. She said that she was bin Laden’s worst nightmare — a democratically elected, progressive, moderate, pluralistic female leader. She was right, and she paid for it with her life.
Zardari did a gentle push-back on Pakistan’s embarrassment (“He was not anywhere we had anticipated he would be”) about their apparent lack of action against al Qaeda in general and admitted that Pakistan was not included in the planning or execution of Sunday night’s Bin Laden mission:
Although the events of Sunday were not a joint operation, a decade of cooperation and partnership between the United States and Pakistan led up to the elimination of Osama bin Laden as a continuing threat to the civilized world. And we in Pakistan take some satisfaction that our early assistance in identifying an al-Qaeda courier ultimately led to this day.
So, while the pseudonym of the carrier was obtained at Guantanamo (but not through torture), Zardari is claiming a major role for Pakistan in helping to put a real name together with the operational one which is indeed a key step in the sequence of events leading to Bin Laden’s death.
A Reuters article attributes at least a portion of the calm in Pakistan to a sense of embarrassment over the harboring of Bin Laden:
There were no protests and no extra security in Pakistan on Tuesday, a day after the killing of Osama bin Laden by U.S. forces, just a sense of embarrassment and indifference that the al Qaeda leader had managed to lie low for years in a Pakistan garrison town.
“The failure of Pakistan to detect the presence of the world’s most-wanted man here is shocking,” The News said in an editorial, reflecting the general tone in the media, where some commentators predicted that Washington would take action to show its displeasure with Islamabad.
After noting that a demonstration is expected in Karachi, the article then states that many Pakistanis are indifferent to Bin Laden:
Still, many ordinary Pakistanis said bin Laden’s killing was of no consequence to them. “It doesn’t make any difference to my life whether he is killed or not,” said Zain Khan, a laborer in the northwestern city of Peshawar.
Despite some indifference, though, warnings of potential reprisals have been made:
Intelligence agencies have warned that Pakistan may face a sharp rise in terrorism cases in the wake of the killing of al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.
The National Crisis Management Cell of the interior ministry issued the warning to the police and law enforcement agencies after receiving credible intelligence that militants may plan ‘revenge’ attacks in Pakistan, targeting US diplomatic missions and Americans in the country, in addition to important civilian and military government installations.
These warnings have led to the closure of US consulates in Lahore and Peshawar:
The United States closed two of its consulates in Pakistan to the public on Tuesday until further notice, a day after Osama bin Laden was killed near the capital Islamabad.
The US embassy in Islamabad and a third consulate in Karachi had earlier also been closed to the general public for routine business, but a decision was taken Tuesday for them to re-open as normal, said an embassy spokesman.
Those closed are in the eastern city of Lahore and the northwestern city of Peshawar, which is close to the country’s tribal belt that Washington has called the global headquarters of Al-Qaeda.
Note that the Karachi consulate has been re-opened for today despite the prediction of protests in Karachi. However, it is significant that the Lahore consulate is closed since this is where massive protests were held for many days during the prolonged Raymond Davis saga.
The complexity of the situation in Pakistan is reflected in part in its politics. In an analysis at the Express Tribune, we see a listing of some of the radical groups in Pakistan with ties to both al Qaeda and the political system:
Harkatul Jihadul Islami, Jaishe Muhammad, Sipahe Sahaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangavi and Lashkar-e-Taiba are some of the many organisations that were allowed to spread their network and physical infrastructure into the ‘settled’ areas of Pakistan such as Punjab and Sindh.
These organisations have deep links with al Qaeda and have allegedly collaborated with Osama bin Laden’s terror network against targets in Pakistan and South Asia at large. The larger Asian region is concerned about the linkages as recent stories have emerged regarding individuals coming from Indonesia and many countries in Europe to train in Pakistan.
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Most of the militant outfits now have developed influential ties within the mainstream political parties as well. These militant forces might not conduct a vicious attack on the Pakistani state just yet. But they are likely to use the chaos to re-group and consolidate through manipulating the public discourse on terrorism run through the private and public media.
Zardari’s piece also provides some perspective on these radicals and their status in the political system:
Radical religious parties have never received more than 11 percent of the vote. Recent polls showed that 85 percent of our people are strongly opposed to al-Qaeda. In 2009, when the Taliban briefly took over the Swat Valley, it demonstrated to the people of Pakistan what our future would look like under its rule — repressive politics, religious fanaticism, bigotry and discrimination against girls and women, closing of schools and burning of books. Those few months did more to unite the people of Pakistan around our moderate vision of the future than anything else possibly could.
These figures from Zardari demonstrate that while organized and vocal, Pakistan’s radical religious groups appear to be less numerous at the polls than the radical Christian fundamentalist voting bloc in the US.



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Good point. A nut burning the Koran in Florida, or where ever, seemed to raise a lot more ire with the masses there.
Juan Cole points out this morning that Zadari is Shiite, which I did not know, and Shiites have always been targeted by OBL. So that places additional perspective on Zardari’s statement.
Good point, thanks.
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Time will tell, but for now this may be some measure that bin Laden’s importance to Al Qaeda was spent, perhaps as a dated figurehead. We can hope the lasting impact on Al Qaeda is more than that.
It’s also a bit soon to be parsing betweeen Shiites and Sunnis.
From your link
Too bad they didn’t try to capture them & transplant the colony somewhere else.
Off to chores.
Be well.
The OBL compound was eight times larger than any other structure in the area. It was walled and topped with barbed-wire. Those living there never took out the trash, but rather burned it. OBL was there for five years.
Our CIA is as inept & clueless as the terrorists we are supposed to fear (eg: the underwear & shoe bombers, the Fort Dix Six and the Newburgh 4 & the Liberty City 7).
None of the American empire provides any benefit to the average American.
Maybe the peoples we occupy, or control through local-subordinate-elites, just want to get on with their lives. They know their next generation wont have to tolerate American occupation, as the US simply can’t afford to cling to it’s empire any longer.
A planned withdrawal from American empire is necessary. Attempting to hang on to this empire will result in more violent attacks against occupation (terrorism) or a bankrupt American economy will provide an opportunity for an unrepresentative, oppressive domestic government (fascism).
See: Policing America’s Empire, by Al McCoy
I wish some reporters would talk to the Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia, Texas, and New York. I’m wondering how this will affect the friendship between the Bin Ladens and the Bush families.
All for oil and spoils! Shouldn’t we charge the oil corporations for empire?
Citizen maa8722:
“It’s also a bit too soon to be parsing between Shiites and Sunnis.”
That’s a very good point, but don’t you think there is a larger question here and that is who suffers from the end of bin Lauden as the boogyman and what does this say about the possibilities for the nascent”pro-democracy” force in the region?
Citizen Peasant Party:
“I’m wondering how this will affect the friendship between the Bin Ladens and the Bush families.”
ROFLMAO…and doesn’t this lead to thinkin’ that maybe there has been a winner already declared in the war between the oilagarchs and the banksters?
I noticed this morning at the news stand that the front pages of most of the papers I saw had the same message: “Bin Laden Deceased, al Qaeda still a threat.” Well, let’s not miss a beat.
I immediately remembered the message I used to hear on Armed Forces Radio in the early ‘90s. It was this: Now that the USSR, our erstwhile arch-nemesis, is no more, the world is not more safe but actually far more dangerous (boogey, boogey, boogey). It is such an old and tired meme from the advocates of perpetual war. Well, if that is the case, shouldn’t the US have been propping up the Evil Empire, you know, for the sake of less international danger? Then as now, there will be no peace dividend. We are left only with the problem of finding a new public face for the “other.”
I wonder if this affair won’t lead to a greater expansion of the GWOT into Pakistan.
LOL!
There’s a reason we’re skeptical:
Inside Sources: Bin Laden’s Corpse Has Been On Ice For Nearly a Decade
“A multitude of different inside sources both publicly and privately, including one individual who personally worked with Bin Laden at one time, told us directly that Osama’s dead corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade and that his “death” would only be announced at the most politically expedient time.
That time has now come with a years-old fake picture being presented as the only evidence of his alleged killing yesterday, while Bin Laden’s body has been hastily dumped into the sea to prevent anyone from finding out when he actually died.”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sources-bin-ladens-corpse-has-been-on-ice-for-nearly-a-decade.html
Besides Bhutto’s statement, of course.
Say what you will about Jones and his team. they’ve been right more often than not.
Not really — the whole reason there’s currently bloodshed in Iraq is that the Sunni-Shiite rivalry, which Saddam and his predecessors had kept suppressed (and which was on the verge of solving itself due to Sunni-Shiite intermarriage), is very much alive. Saddam and his ruling clique were all Sunnis (though fairly secularized/westernized), and they’re the ones currently doing the vast majority of the roadside bombings there. The Shiites — the majority of Iraq’s population — have been duking it out with them, but not with the US.
India would certainly love that. They and Pakistan hate each other’s guts but so far haven’t exhibited any stomach for hot wars recently — though India is convinced Pakistan is behind the 2008 Mumbai and other bombings. However, either state would love to brandish its nukes around as a way to get us to intervene, hopefully on their side.
Exactly. Was pondering that, myself, but you and I have exchanged an email or two about this “war” bet the oligarchs & the banksters. That’s probably the more salient point of all of this hogwash, imo. Time will tell & we shall see…
Many things are possible. ObL may have died a long time ago (as was reported quite some time ago; one cause being cited was simply ObL’s health trevails), or somewhat more recently per Benazhir Bhutto’s accusation made right before she was assassinated; or, indeed, ObL *could* have been killed just recently (some reports say May 1, some say a week ago – with postulation that the “announcement” was held after the Royal wedding).
I’m 99.99999% certain that ObL is dead, and I’m equally certain that some kind of large, heavily walled & fortified compound exists in Abbottabad & it was attacked by US Ops recently & gunfire erupted.
When & where & how ObL acually dies remains a mystery that perhaps will never be clearly known for sure.
Getting back to: what’s changed, however? Will Team USA rescind the Patriot Act, will TSA modify their operations and/or dispense with them altogether, will Fox News stop pumping out incessant FEAR FEAR FEAR, esp Muslims?
Doubt it.
Those are the bigger questions/issues, however.
Thanks for the post, Jim, with that update vis activities in Pakistan post the alleged summary execution of ObL. I have been wondering about that, albeit I saw a brief news blip on PBS last night that appeared to confirm that there was little happening in the way of rioting, etc, so far.
I look to FDL, however, for confirmation of *anything* “reported” in the mainstream media, including PBS, propoganda organs, one and all.
I note rightwingers on some blogs that I occassionally skim are, one & all, screaming about how NOW Team USA *really* has to “watch it,” bc NOW it’s *really* dangerous out there. Unsurprising. Of course, cognitive dissonance is the forte of such folks.
The “King” is Dead, long live the “King”….
Of course there are no demonstrations or reprisals because this was a masterful coup by the US government. Think about it, we captured and killed the number one terrorist (maybe), we thoroughly embarrassed a foreign government by raiding deep inside their country, and we confused the heck out of the Pakistani citizens who were only last week burning American flags. The Pakistani citizens don’t know who to trust, and the Pakistani militiary and intelligence agencies don’t know who helped the Americans, they jus know someone did.
“. . .who suffers from the end of bin Lauden as the boogyman and what does this say about the possibilities for the nascent”pro-democracy” force in the region?. . .”
There are a lot of ways this could go. Someone else may be hankering for bin Laden’s mantle. It could end up in Shiite or Sunni hands, or not at all. The affair may be used against secularists in the pro-democracy forces.
For the moment there seems to be a vacuum. I’m relieved he’s gone. We’ll see. . .
A recurring question I have: After 70 years of being more shit scared than we were the day before, aren’t we tired of The Fear yet?
Missed one:
“Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP – Pakistan Taliban), immediately announced it would avenge his death and declared Pakistan the number one enemy and the US as number two.
On Monday evening, a suicide attack was carried out against police in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa province, in which Abbottabad is located. The TTP claimed responsibility.” http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME04Df03.html
Read some of region press.
A reason there aren’t any demonstrations
could be 1) his presence brought
shit reigning down on their heads
so noboy’s shedding any tears and…
2) there in a serious lockdown mode.
People aren’t even going out of their
houses in the area of the arrack.
The US is crawling all over the place,
tying up any “loose ends” no doubt with
a bullet in the head (my commentary).
Pakistani military and intel know exactly who helped Americans but they are keeping quiet, or they’ll be targets of AQ, and Taliban. It’s hard to get the psyop right in the age of the internet. One story doesn’t work well for US and Pakistani consumption, I think.
Here’s a link to a story about a fake photo of one dead OBL,
but more interesting is the local describing the scene.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/May/02/Image-of-dead-bin-Laden-fake-Pakistani-TV.ashx#axzz1LK9Kn6vE
At least this time they didn’t kill a bunch of civilians which would have the effect of making new enemies wanting revenge for killing their loved ones. Probably one woman died, who at first was described as his wife and used as a human shield (US killed her), later that story was rewritten to say she wasn’t used as a human shield, wasn’t his wife, and wasn’t killed.
Has anyone heard anything about the family who lived there with UBL?
The best comment so far was Leiberman saying, that we must remain vigilant and report anything we see, even if it’a a member of the family.
The next family bar-b-cue, everyone is suspect.
The country is a joke.
Been run into the ground by the clinically batshit.
They likely interviewed Sohaib Athar, the twitter user @ReallyVirtual who tweeted what was happening live unbeknownst to him, to get this story. It follows his timeline.
Its interesting to see the story being re-written by the US and Pak officials, and our media acting as mouthpieces.
DDay had this yesterday which he got from MSNBC:
I think he’s a plant that peddles limited hangout stories. The art is to deal in truth 90-95% of the time, but to divert attention from truth by introducing noise in just specific instances. Also, he works to discredit anyone who uses him as a source.
Take a look at the country that he holds as his spiritual home. He’s cross contaminating our societies.
You’ve got that right.
I started noticing serious cross pollinating, if you will,
about ten years ago.
I’ll go out on a limb here, and say,
this is the first story that actually works.
Fits with past rumours and present drama.
Bush went from “Dead or Alive” to,
I really don’t think about him anymore.
Today, nobody knew Osama lived was in the giant mansion with the barbed wire. Maybe cause he never left the freezer.
And if the house was smack dab in the center of a military base, that’s probably because the military was guarding something in that house, something Top Top Secret 24/7.
A military base would also be a safe and reliable place to pull off a phoney raid on an empty house. No interference or civilian witnesses. Just the frozen remains of OBL.
Shoot it up, blow it up, but nobody’s home.
Works for me.
The military loves to take pictures of their “work” so what gives? They’re telling us we see. Screw that shit.
Now, imagine they load a frozen OBL in a copter for a previously arranged photo op 20 miles away. Within minutes, the thawing begins and the smell is beyond unbearable.
They’re also in a close space. One way to lose a thawing, stinking, corpse ASAP is to toss it out the door.
But first, per Muslim tradition they bathed the body.
Then they shoved him out the side door.
To hell with the President’s storyline.
This sucka’s outta here. Bye, bye.
I do hope he was facing Mecca.
BTW: The highest Sunni cleric in Egypt is not too happy about the burial at sea story.
He tersely stated, “Muslims must be buried in the earth.”
There’s no credible evidence of anything they’re saying.
And, they have zero credibility.
And that’s that.
Right.
Tough to fake a photo with a bullet in the eye on a face that clearly shows a melting nose.
LOL!
The town where he was living is overwhelmingly Hazara people who are frequently targeted by the Taliban or AQ. The are turkic extraction and Shia, and have been discriminated against by the Pashtun in Afganistan and Pakistan.
Sectarianism is a top down divide and conquer tactic for power and not quite so black and white or driven by solely by religion. Maybe we can look a little deeper than pigeon holes.