I am the Afghanistan Blogging Fellow for The Seminal and Brave New Foundation. You can read my work on The Seminal or at Rethink Afghanistan. The views expressed below are my own.
If you need further evidence of why our war in Afghanistan is so de-stabilizing for Pakistan, or how Pakistan’s "Strategic Depth" is a threat to the United States, or, of course, why General Kayani’s "silent coup" in Pakistan means we need to accelerate our withdrawal, then look no further than this New York Times article [emphasis mine]:
The documents, to be made available by an organization called WikiLeaks, suggest that Pakistan, an ostensible ally of the United States, allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders.[...]
Some of the reports describe Pakistani intelligence working alongside Al Qaeda to plan attacks. Experts cautioned that although Pakistan’s militant groups and Al Qaeda work together, directly linking the Pakistani spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, with Al Qaeda is difficult. [...]
The man the United States has depended on for cooperation in fighting the militants and who holds most power in Pakistan, the head of the army, Gen. Parvez Ashfaq Kayani, ran the ISI from 2004 to 2007, a period from which many of the reports are drawn. American officials have frequently praised General Kayani for what they say are his efforts to purge the military of officers with ties to militants.
Get it? Not only are we fighting a civil war in Afghanistan, which has nothing to do with Al-Qa’eda, but we are also fighting a proxy war against Pakistan. They don’t care about our US interests, they care about their own country’s interests, and it is in their interest to kill Americans in Afghanistan, as well as aiding Al-Qa’eda. All so that Pakistan can control Afghanistan and battle against India.
The US must stop escalating in Pakistan and end the war in Afghanistan. Afghanistan’s future government is already taking shape, and Pakistan has enough of a powerful progressive movement that they can stabilize their country, and bring their government into line, provided that we end our war in both countries. Our troops should not be dying for General Kayani’s proxy war with India and they should not be dying in a civil war on behalf of President Karzai.
David Swanson writes:
On the House calendar for this week is a vote on a $33 billion supplemental bill to escalate the war in Afghanistan. The Senate did not accept the House version (passed without a vote on July 1st). The House will likely now vote on the Senate version or something close to it. This will likely mean something quite unusual: a straightforward vote in which yes means yes more war, and no means no.[...]
Our message is simple:
Vote no on funding this escalation of war, regardless of whether it’s a procedural vote, and regardless of any good measures attached to it.
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I couldn’t agree with you more about the need to rethink and get out. However, that would really mean that the US would have to rethink it’s self appointed role as world super power. I seriously doubt that the powers that be will let that happen.
OT related though: Wikileaks released 92000 documents regarding the Afghanistan War and showing how badly things have been going there. Confirms Eikenberry’s leaked letter’s analysis of Afghanistan as a quagmire. It is on the front page of the NYTimes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/asia/26warlogs.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/asia/26isi.html?ref=global-home
You state the US must stop escalating in Pakistan.
That’s not necessarily in our interest
Thanks for the great post. You can add the six US citizens murdered in Mumbai. This was planned by the Pakistan Military and ISI. David Headley, US/ISI spy planned many of the details. US attorney David Kris would not allow Headley to be extradited. For eight months Kris would not allow Indian access to Headley. This is circumstantial evidence that Headley is a CIA terrorist, who is being protected by neo-cons.
The ABC video has an interview with neo-con and CFR pig Richard Hass. Haas sets the narrative, “This…was not authorized by the Pakistan government.” It has been proven the Mumbai attack was a Pakistan operation from start to finish.
Haas spreads the falsehood that this was an “intelligence failure” similar to 9-11. Indian officials did not stop the attack but they were intercepting the VOIP communications that used Pakistan military communications. India also determined by the time of Haas’ interview that indeed the Pakistan military was running the operation. Everything the Council of Foreign Relations says is total deception. The US government knew Headley was involved with the Mumbai attacks even before they occurred. No photo of Headley has been provided by the government. Headley could be used again in another False Flag Op.
Here is another video that Headley and Haas and Kris and the ISI murderers should see. There was a Trial in Mumbai, not a military kangaroo kourt. The youngest witness was ten year old and her life was shattered. The neo-cons have their long war of terror. United States taxpayers support Al Qaeda and the Taliban. US taxpayers, and David Headley and Richard Haas helped shoot a ten year old child.
That might be my only minor quibble with your whole piece, which is incredibly revealing, explanatory and rather simply put for the layperson to grok.
Nicely done, and thanks, Mr. Mull.
Perhaps as the WikiLeaks are revealed, all 95,000 reports, some of this complicated and confusing script will be revealed more clearly. So many sides, so many players, hard to tell who and what strings are being pulled by whom and why . . . but we can ALWAYS guess it benefits the 1% Global Elitists.
Our presence in AF/PAK, is failing failing failing, for us, them, and all.
We HAVE no interests that are BEST for us, in that region. Not the way we are going about it.
China/Russia/Turkey/Iran sit back, and wait for the time when THEIR contracts to develop, ship and pipe gas and oil from the region benefits them.
We, the USA, and the 1% Global Elitists, are losing this one.
What I can’t figure out is, why the corporate elite are playing all sides and killing US Troops and neocon goals.
I can only surmise it’s a by product of the Elite Need to keep Russia and China from gaining an upper hand . . .
As long as the region is highly unstable, there’s no development possible, by anyone.
Got any thoughts on that Mr. Mull?
Just wondering if there is anything in those Wikileak documents about Benezir Bhutto or her assassination? Curious.
Is the U.S. “interest” the most important thing in the world? I say it isn’t.
nah, red, I used the phrase and highlighted in response to Josh using the same thing talking about Pakistan acting in their own interests rather than ours.
I agree with you that our interests are our own and expecting everybody else to kiss our asses is stupid.
Re: Afghanistan/India, that is very much the point of Pakistan’s “Strategic Depth”. See here.
You may have also seen this referred to as Pakistan’s “good militants and bad militants” strategy. It’s part proxy war, part state sponsorship of terrorism. Control of Afghanistan is part of that calculation, as is support of anti-India forces in Jammu & Kashmir, Mumbai commando raids, etc.
http://bigbrassballs.wordpress.com/2006/05/07/porter-goss-criminal/
http://www.total411.info/2006/09/911-hijacker-witness-poisoned.html
http://stuartbuck.blogspot.com/2004/08/jamal-khan.html
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43605
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-05-05/discussion.cgi.71.html
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATKSMarrest.htm
Consider what the documents represent. They represent a US understanding of what is going on, which might be quite different that what actually is going on. The are US military documents, and unless they contain intercepts of communications from other parties, their knowledge of what Pakistan and the Taliban are doing are clouded heavily in the fog of war.
And the same caution goes to reports from foreign observers. They are most accurate about what they see, less accurate about what is rumored, and even less accurate about what they are told from inside sources that have agendas of their own.
There are some very good arguments for why we need to leave Afghanistan to sort out its own politics. This large document dump will be a wash in those arguments unless there is some documented evidence of US troop behavior beyond the rules of engagement or a significant piece of intelligence about the Taliban and other insurgent groups.
It seems fairly clear from several sources that Pakistan’s agenda is the elimination of foreign fighters from the Taliban controlled areas. Given the Taliban attacks within Pakistan, it is not clear although it may still be true that Pakistan supports Pashstun dominance of Afghanistan (and the Taliban in all its forms is the major Pashtun group right now) for primarily internal political reasons. This is rank speculation on my part but I don’t buy the elaborate “blocking Indian influence” argument. China, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, and India are the countries with the greatest national interest in what happens in Afghanistan. Focusing a strategy on India alone would be foolish. Which is why I think that policy is driven by internal political reasons.
“If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.”
A march for peace, justice and jobs is scheduled in Detroit on Aug. 28.
http://www.uaw.org/articles/uaw-and-rainbow-push-coalition-announce-jobs-justice-and-peace-campaign
Will the progressive blogs be actively promoting this event?
I can sum up this rather complex mess very simply:
It’s all and only about the uber-wealthy of various nationalities making load & loads of money. Drug running, gun running, lots of outsourcing, you name it: loads of money for the very wealthy. If the USA is funding Pakistan to abet the Taliban in killing US citizens (soldiers): oh well. Collateral damage.
That’s pretty funny. All it takes is for the non-evildoers to destroy the rest. GWB with his “Axis of Evil” could have written that.
Interestingly, the USG does not q the authenticity of the docs. Only sez that their release puts troops in danger. Yep, truth does put U.S. troops in danger, I wonder why (not).
As for TarHeelDems point that the docs just represent what the USG thinks it knows, is there any reason to doubt that the USG doesn’t know a lot that is actually accurate but is keeping it from the U.S. public? Were the Abu Ghraib pics an accurate representation of how Iraqi prisoners are treated in U.S. custody. Did the USG know about that? Were the Pentagon Papers, also the USG’s bead on VN, inaccurate? Is there anything in the new wikileaks docs that you didn’t already know, but didn’t have evidence for?
I think there’s probably a deeper meaning. But at least you got a good laugh out of it.
Precisely. And if we kill a few Afgans, Iraqis and other little brown people, well we all know that’s bound to happen in our so-called wars.
All one has to do is read Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler’s War is a Racket. As true today as it was then. We’re bankrupting the country, the environment and living nothing but bills and destruction for our grandchildren. What a shameful legacy.
China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, and India have other interests besides oil and gas. The rumored Afghanistan pipeline is now an nonstarter. Other commitments to pipelines and the cost of engineering have taken if off the table, if indeed there ever was a real hope of construction. Japan has contracts on the large amount of minerals recently reported.
National security interests and internal security interests drive the foreign policy of these nations relative to Afghanistan. And they really are not sitting back, waiting and chortling about their coming good fortune. They are sitting back because there are no real economic interests for acting in Afghanistan, only security interests and as long as the American presence keeps the chaos going there is little incentive for them to do anything else but sit on the sidelines and wait. That is why the Shanghai Cooperation Organization is likely to play a significant role in the wind-down of American engagement and the future security of Afghanistan.
HandsomeHot Money is ashandsomeHot Money does. Just another example of how the systems really works.Back when we had a relatively powerless CIA running wars in Laos and Cambodia, it might have been possible to determine motivations for U.S. agents via a chain of command. Now that we have mercenaries and various special operations folks that report to no one and are answerable for nothing they do, the instability of the region is a feature. Just as in Vietnam only more so, the chaos of the region have become a funnel of money and corruption. The locals attempt to use us and our money and they are used by us and others. There are no major players, including the weapons planners at the Pentagon, that want stability in the region because stability requires boring things like transparency and cost-benefit evaluations. With hundreds of billions spent each year and nearly no one held responsible beyond some rough accounting there are too many players that have a vested interest in keeping the money flowing. The behavior of the troops, US or not, matters very little when the people behind the scenes can always throw in a new monkey wrench as needed.
Perhaps we simply have a sufficient number of players, whether Russian, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Afghani and U.S. that most motivations can no longer be determined in the region. Add in religion and massive amounts of money and thinking in terms of the goals of governments may not be very useful.
We need to leave this area for the same reason that a rusted-out hulk of a 63 Oldsmobile should go to the crusher. It will keep breaking in unexpected ways and the amount to keep it going will never be recouped except by the people promising to fix it one last time.
Consumerism– uncontrolled craving for and consumption of stuff (George Carlin’s excellent explanation) without regarding to its effects– is a major way folks get hooked into the system. Here’s how people can be manipulated and how early in life it starts. RePurposing, ReUsing, ReCycling and ReStoring is only part of the antidote. Getting China to play this game along with the Americans boosts the banksters’ take and keeps the crazy in place. Adding pawns to the system is the name of the game.
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post already in progress: DISCLOSE Act Senate Vote on Motion to Proceed Set for Tuesday
Thass okay, Josh. All Obama needs to do is sent them a few more billions and another squadron of state-of-the-art fighter planes, and they’ll shape right up…I betcha.
“Rethink the Afghan war.”
Well, if we can find people willing to re-think it, who also happen to be in a position to get us the fuck out, that’s an excellent idea. Until then, we’re kind of stuck in a rut, it looks like to me:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10756940
Re: the good/bad militants strategy. Reminds of something Pepe Escobar reported after he interviewed Arif Jamal, “the leading Pakistani expert on the jihad in Kashmir. He is the author of Shadow War: The Untold Story of Jihad in Kashmir [1], a groundbreaking, gripping account of the interminable, key conflict between India and Pakistan, based on interviews with hundreds of militants over the years.”
And that, in a nutshell, is what I’ve been calling myth-jacking: using the power of myths to jack nations to hell and back, sticking the people with the bill both ways.
I think it’s highly relevant, and completely unappreciated, that Joseph Campbell himself lectured for the US State Dept’s Foreign Service Institute, on the power of myth, for decades (beginning in 1956).
IMO, it’s bloody self-evident that his lessons didn’t go unnoticed. After all, just as we imported Nazi rocket technology, we also imported their startlingly successful propagandizing methods, too. What better weapon could be imagined, than to turn the power of our own dreams, aspirations, fears, and terrors, against us?
Sure pressure works when you call a Congresscritter directly, or have an office meeting (his or yours), take critter to lunch, contribute large sums of money to their campaign and PAC or their Swiss accounts. Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Honeywell, BAE, BP, Shell, Chevron ad nauseam do this regularly, ordinary citizens, virtually never.
And we’re giving Pakistan billions of our tax dollars for the purpose. That’s very sporting of us, don’t you think?
IIRC there was considerable celebration in Pakistan when 9/11 occurred. They don’t really like us very much.
Yep.
Very good points about questioning the veracity of these documents.
You know: Garbage In Garbage Out.
At the risk of repeating myself:
GET THE FUCK OUT!!
What form should the government of the government take?