The Democrats are going to lose big this fall, especially in the House. I don’t think anyone is disputing this. What is worth debating is why we’re going to see such a dramatic reversal of the gains that were won in 2006 and 2008.
Recently, the Cook Report downgraded ten incumbent Democrats on their likelihood of retaining their seats. For two of the ten (Loretta Sanchez of California’s 47th and Jim Marshall of Georgia’s 8th), the typical midterm drop in minority turnout is the main culprit. But for the other eight, it was the conservative nature of their district.
For example, Chris Carney is in jeopardy in Pennsylvania’s 10th because of “the district’s strong GOP tilt and Carney’s vote for health care reform.” And Stephanie Herseth Sandlin of South Dakota is blasting the “Romper Room” antics of Congress as she trumpets her votes against “all the bailouts and the trillion dollar health care plan.”
On the surface, then, it appears that many of the seats that the Democrats will lose were never really theirs in the first place. The easy analysis will be to minimize their significance by calling it a typical correction after a power shift. With the anti-Bush backlash now a thing of the past, these districts will return to their natural home on the Republican side. This swing, therefore, might be seen as largely irrelevant, because these conservative districts, even when they turned blue, were still sending conservative representatives that largely have opposed Obama’s “liberal” agenda.
But perhaps there’s more to the midterm predicament of the Blue Dogs. The traditional categories of liberal and conservative only partially describe the electoral climate this year. The emergence of the Tea Party on the right and the growing criticism of Obama from the progressive left indicate a new brand of dissatisfaction with “business as usual” in Washington.
Although the two movements have vast differences, they do share one significant trait: the belief that corporate influence in Washington needs to be limited. Both groups are furious that corporate donations, and not the interests of the people, dictate the legislative process. Of course, the Tea Party and progressives have wildly different understandings of what the “interests of the people” are – but at least they agree that it’s not corporate-controlled government.
The 2010 election will be an interesting barometer of this shared anger from opposite ends of the spectrum. Perhaps the Blue Dogs are in trouble not because they are Democrats in conservative districts, but simply because they are such corporate hounds. They are alienating both the left and the right with their consistent support of policies that serve mainly to enrich and empower large companies.
I’m hoping that media coverage and polling this fall will reflect this new anti-corporate dynamic, but I’m not holding my breath. We’ll likely be fed the same old conservative-liberal narrative, and the Republican gains will be interpreted as a rejection of liberal policies. But eventually, they will catch on to what many of us already know. The American political landscape is shifting, and those who side with corporations, whether Republican or Democrat, will have to answer to anger from both sides of the spectrum.




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Good analysis. It will be up to the progressive blogs, and perhaps enlightened polling like Adam Green did after the Massachusetts special election, to provide the counter-argument to the village paradigm. It will be important that we provide arguments and data to support our thesis that the defeat is owned by the DLC and the other conservative Democratic organizations, not the progressives.
Tread carefully, my friend: when I suggest that posters should provide arguments and data to support their thesis I usually get a bunch of half-bright insults in reply.
;^)
All in good time. Science is a method, not neccesarily a pre-requisite to the construction of ideas.
Not quite. It is the progressives who will be responsible. It is the progressives who want government to do everything at any cost. Governement can not do everything. Actually it does very little with any efficiency. We need less government, not more. That’s why the Dems will suffer this year.
Your closing line says it all, nice catch Mr. Moss and thanks!
Rcc’d.
I’m hoping that half way decent dems like periello in virginia don’t get swept out with the bathwater.
The GOP/Media Complex will of course continue to push the idea that Dems lose when they act like Dems and win when they act like Reps, because the corporations that make up our media see Republicans as better for their line of work. They like the nice juicy tax breaks and freedom from pesky regulations, especially anti-trust regulations, that the Republicans promise and deliver.
However, Americans are showing signs of growing resistance to the GOP/Media’s siren songs. The first signs of it were manifest during the attempt to crucify Bill Clinton over an affair which had ended by the time it was revealed in early 1998. The GOP/Media Complex was all a-quiver with fake shock and trembling outrage; the American public, enjoying the fruits of the best economic boom since the 1960s, said “so what?” and turned away.
Good diary and I love the picture.
I hope my corpwhore Milissa Bean is on of those who disappear.
Disagree with the entire premise of this post.
As near as I can tell, the Tea Party is an artificial gin-up of the right by corps in the likely success to push the Overton window farther right. How else could such movement have been so organized so easily if corps were not behind it. Besides, in the early days there were actual links to corp sponsors which I did not save.
Could it be that a significant number of people imply do not like the agenda that our side has pushed? Does it need corps? Wouldn’t people like the “Club for Growth” or the guys that financed the swiftboat vets do?
We do ourselves a disservice when we assume those on the other side are complete idiots.
Agree with you that we must see the other side as thinking folks with a reason to be against us – insults tossed about makes for a poor democracy.
But “Could it be that a significant number of people imply do not like the agenda that our side has pushed? Does it need corps? Wouldn’t people like the “Club for Growth” or the guys that financed the swiftboat vets do?” is the reason that I refer to the rich and corporate – Club for Growth is funded by a couple of billionaires plus corporations – and indeed these folks do like taxes or regulation and want GOP corporate welfare checks (as government functions are taken from those getting government checks in the military and in civil service, and are give to corporations as outsourcing or mercenary work despite the 30% increase in cost).
Agreed I don’t even know if the Tea Baggers have the numbers that past GOP Protest movements had.
I think this analysis points to the deeper truth that an anti-corporatism wave is coming. The MSM is in a bad position to report this because they’re all corporatist now.
If anything, your drawing of this picture is a little too tentative. Anti-corporatism is why the blue dogs will lose this Fall. It’s also why the Democrats will lose as a party. The Dems have lost their way. Now real Democrats are running on 3rd Party tickets See Mosler and Williams, for example.
If the Dems don’t catch the anti-corporate wave in the next couple of years the Democratic Party will be splitting and there will be a fight over its machinery between now and 2014. All we really need is a way of fighting. That’s here.
A wish expressed as a forecast.
Hey, if anyone wants to start a new, progressive party, I’m in!
Take a look at the links I gave. There’ll be a way to combine with others to do it and overcome the system. It’s coming soon.
Sorry, I’ve been voting for Democrats for thirty years and I’ve been hearing that “change is coming” from Democrats for all of those thirty years. Things have only gotten steadily worse. Obama was the last straw. I feel like I was hoodwinked. I knew that Obama was as liberal as everyone was saying he was (I’m from Illinois) but I didn’t expect him to be a Republican, either.
And the current crop of Democrats are beyond treacherous. Why are we still fighting two wars (and we still will be for a long time)? Where are the laws supportive of unions, their biggest voting base bloc? Where is single-payer health care? Where is the investigation of Bush/Cheney administration? Where are the laws for campaign finance reform? Drug law reform? Gay rights reform? I know where they are — blocked by Blue Dogs like Harry Reid, the head of the party. The Democrats want you to believe that its the Republicans who are obstructing progress. No, it’s the Democrats obstructing bills!
I’ll keep voting for Democrats. But only because I’m afraid of what voting in the Horror (Republicans) would do to this country. But I don’t see them changing because I believe that the Democrats have become the new de facto conservative party! Most of them are happy with keeping the status quo. Status quo = Conservative! They can’t change their strips because THEY DON’T WANT TO CHANGE.
I believe that the only solution is to start a NEW party that truly represents liberal voters. They need a strong party platform, like a constitutional amendment reforming campaign finance. Progressives should encourage sitting Progressive Democrats to form a new party. This will inspire people who know they have no chance of being nominated in the current Democratic party to come forward and run as well. Once there is a REAL progressive party, I think we would see the disappearance of the Republicans very quickly. And we would again see two parties that represent the left and the right.
If you think about how the climate of the country at the time the Republican party was formed, it is not dissimilar today. They had a hugely polarized electorate that didn’t feel either party was up to the task of solving the huge issue of the day. Neither party wanted to abolish slavery, because it was too politically risky. Sound familiar? Well today, instead of one problem, we have SEVERAL problems! The time is ripe for a new party to emerge.
It’s a dream. But like a wise man once said, “Someday I hope to get there with you…”
Hey, where did my paragraph breaks go?
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I think you misunderstand me if you think I’m advocating voting for Dems. I also think you didn’t read my links before you replied.
Jim Marshall is a fairly typical Blue Dog socially but is not as bad as some on economics. He did vote against CHIPS and also changes to the Patriot act. His funding is big business mostly. I don’t know much about Austin Scott but he seems to be more moderate than his main competition in the Republican primaries.
Macon is a fairly large metropolitan area and I know has some liberal Democrats who make themselves visible. If Jim Marshall loses, which I doubt, it is possible it would be due to apathy on the left to support him.
Pups…honestly, trying not to be a doomsdayer or negative twit, but I don’t give a rat’s arse if ‘suddenly’ all kinds of straight thinkin folks have seen the man behind the curtain wearing the cloaks of the corps…and they don’t like it!
So what?
They have all the power, all the dough, all the mouthpieces, and all the incentive to continue to push our faces in the mud and roll us…What has been done of any large significance to change anything one bit?..where and when?..I sure as hell don’t remember any great uprising of the ‘people’s ire’ that made the MOTU think twice. There seems to be nothing that will transpire in November that honestly change the projectory of where we seem to be heading!
They are quite smug in their assumption that the only thing that will change is how they move around the different players on the game board…the game WILL NOT change. What would be hopeful is if their addiction to the opiate of being always in control and always the winners make them blind to some unforeseen event that like a perfect storm coalesse’s around an equal storm of a swelling up of a large mass of disenfranchised citizens from all strata’s of live, regardless of any particular political bent! That perfect storm shattering the very core of their invincibility.
Possible…maybe. Likely…right now I seriously doubt it!
Just an opinion FWIW!
eggszactly
the pols are filthy rich, and greedy,and want more
status quo!
Sounds like you’d like to see a third party in the country…
“the game WILL NOT change”
I like your opinion.For many of us,their will be no betterment in our life time,somehow this escapes most people at said time.
Hmmmm, sounds like you need a third party solution….
THIRD PARTY NOW!
Teddy Partridge is upstairs!
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Unfortunately, the low hanging fruit of the Republican party, aka the teabaggers, can instantaneously superimpose righteous indignation of Wall Street bailouts over populist outrage with corrective measures deemed massive socialist takeover of the free market.
Everything is totally fucked, but any attempt at preventing future fuckery is big government.
The bad part is our corporate media lends credence and gravity to this tectonic cognitive disonance.
Oh, no – not Chris Carney??!!??
**gets out wallet, checks for liar’s refund of campaign donation made after he promised to vote for Hate Crimes Prevention Act in TWO THOUSAND SIX and then voted AGAINST it first chance he got as Congressman Carney. sees no money**
too fucking bad
Chris “Fucking” Carney worked in Doug Feith’s Office of Special Plans while he was in the military and he used that service to paint himself as a veteran in the election campaign. He’s a neocon no matter what political affiliation he claims. He’ll never claim his true affiliation “oligarch gauleiter.”
What debate?
After 8 years of Bush and the GOP the American people hired him to mount a salvage operation. So far, the only thing he’s salvaged is the republican party.
I have to agree with the first part, but for the second I think it’s more accurate to say he’s brought the democratic party down to the same trashed and disreputable level as the republicans.
Agent420: who are “the good guys”?
Irony: if you look at what O. has “accomplished” with those big majorities in both houses, and concede the truth, that we ARE going to lose seats, and probably, a lot of them, then it’s looking like Obama in his last two years in the White House is going to be the lamest lame duck in our history.
I happen to believe that he and Pelosi and Reid, etc., will be relieved to have the terrible burden of those big margins, and the expectations that came with them, lifted from their shoulders.
When they came in office, the equation was simple:
Either O. and the dems would instantly, directly, confront the GOP and their twisted, arrogant, worldview that has nearly ruined us, or they would fail.
My 2c; with so many policies of bushCo alive and well, I think they HAVE failed, and I think the voters recognize this and are going to punish them for their incremental bullshit. I won’t assign any blame to the american electorate for their doing it.
those who side with corporations, whether Republican or Democrat, will have to answer to anger from both sides of the spectrum”
I hope
we tried to send that message with the Senator Brown election in Mass where 800,000 Democratic votes stayed home – but they refused to hear – and we got no public option even when the Senate needed only 51 votes to accomplish passing a public option.
I’m not really sure the Democratic Party will hear the election results as anything other than bad campaigns by bad candidates with not enough money, so they go back to the corporations as even more obedient whores.
NOT voting is NEVER the answer, people! I am going to go to the polls in Nov., holding my nose, and vote for the Dems because the alternative is to allow my crazy right-wing neighbors to vote in Republicans.
However, why not entertain another solution for the future? A third party!
Are you joking?
Freedomworks is an astroturf group funded by mega corporations led by DICK ARMEY.
The tea partiers are promoted on fox, the corporatist news network.
“The tea party wants corporate money out of washington” and into the pockets of the corporations that fund tea party stupidity.
Getting rid of the Blue Dogs is a step in the right direction, at least up to the point where the Dems become the minority. IMHO, conservative democrats (including Obama) are what makes progressive legislation impossible to pass.
I have been thinking about just this.
If I were the Republicans, and had just taken over the Senate, the first thing I would do is re-institute the REAL filibuster – the cots, the recipe-reading, all of it – something the Democrats should have done on day one.
I agree!
after the results of this last congress, I blame the “progressives” for being a bunch of bed wetting, diaper shitting spineless fucks.
Since agricultural surplus has existed, there have elites dedicated to taking the surplus to pay for their fat living. the DINO DLC blue dog scum are just normal, natural selfish scum.
THE PROBLEM is that the current crop of 30 and 40 and 50 and 60 somethings have ALL grown up getting their pathetic asses kicked by the lying stealing fascists and their minions, AND, most importantly, they have NOT learned how to beat the lying stealing fascists.
“Our” pathetics have learned a few things: how to whine and snivel and cower AND stay in charge of losing.
rmm.
What’s the difference if you start a movement or a party ,you guys will fold like a cheap tent and vote for the lesser evil when its crunch time.That;s why Obama has no respect for progs and publicly pissed on us via Gibbs.We see him as weak, cowardly and corrupt,and he sees us as weak,cowardly and naieve.As David Mamet said,Dems don’t know how to play poker.What are we clinging to here ? No guts no glory,no risk no reward.I’m really not trying to be hurtful ,but we’re residing in a bubble of denial.
That’s why we need to recruit the fearless. Any progressives still left in this country are truly courageous people.
I’m sorry but I seem to be missing something here -
How can anybody vote for a Republican and be anti-corporate? By the very definition of what it means to be a Republican they are corporate.
While I wish the idea that the Liberals and TeaBagger’s were anti-corporate I really can’t see that is true. The TB’s may hate the bank bailout but as far as the rest of what it means to be Corporate a vote for a Republican means a vote for Corporate Government,
I liked your post and see a growing resentment of Corporate Influence. I had a heated discussion with a Right Tea Sipping friend and found the Fox brainwashing too difficult to break thru. I did get them to agree that Corporations are out of Control and they felt that the Citizen United Case was a bad decision. If only they could understand that their views had brought about such a decision.
Not sure how the 2 sides can agree on any one candidate and both parties are really divided and moving further apart. I have to admit that I’m really motivated to vote and not sure why the pundits don’t think dems aren’t as tolet right wing tea bag nutcases into power is not the answer and too scary to contemplate.
Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama and Democrats want what they want. The DLC-controlled Democratic Party gives lip service to all populist issues (like civil rights protections, restoring habeas corpus, ending the wars, public healthcare, Wall Street reform, environmental and energy issues, etc.).
If the Bush years taught us nothing else, it’s that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you’re stolid and relentless in your sales pitch & tactics. It’s not that Bush and Rove were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush and Rove were just more ruthless (clumsy & careless many political graybeards would say) in doing what politicians and the political parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans.
Obama didn’t get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination) & the oldest, most experienced politicians in our nation’s history (including the Rove machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politicians (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table and have us still reelecting them, not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks?
Obama and Democrats know how to do it — They don’t want to do it.
The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they’re merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to deliver on any of our alleged shared objectives.
We the People have been victims of the greatest heist in the history of civilization, and Obama and Democrats let the culprits go. Every single one of them, from Bush and Cheney and the CIA torturers, to the banks and CEOs.
Now a new wave of culprits are carrying on during Obama’s reign where the others left off at the end of Bush’s. Obama is as corrupt as Bush/Cheney.
Until we get that through our thick skulls (that it’s not that Obama is naive or trusting, but that he’s a con artist), there’s no possibility of turning this wreck around.
News from the Gulf – http://www.truth-out.org/how-has-it-come-this62558
I dare anyone to defend Obama after reading that.
You want to know what the problem is? It’s this:
Democrats out in the countryside and Western states were soft money populists who wanted Washington to bring home the bacon. This was years ago. The Republicans were seen as anti-farmer and for hard money.
Starting during the little revolutions of the 1960′s, the Republicans got smart, and realized that all they had to do was pay off the farm country people. Just pump money into places like North Dakota or Nebraska, and they could get those votes, too.
So the Republicans keep the spigot open for the farmland. And the Democrats can promise to, too. This means there is no difference to the two parties out in rural parts of America.
Same goes with Tea Party. All these people are on Medicare and have their nicely sized social security checks. Plus the home equity built up when times were good and inflation gave them a boost in paying off the mortgage. So now the Tea Party is for “cutting back”, but what they mean is cut back someone else. Not them. They say all of theirs was already “paid for”, which is load of cr*p.
The Democrats can’t be competitive in these places because the Republicans just outbid them. It’s really a lot more complicated than painting the Blue Dogs as “bad”. There is this environment of dishonesty and no one really wants to hear the truth.
After seeing the primaries, I don’t think as many Blue Dogs are in danger as they would be if the Tea Party movement was not around. Blue Dogs with Tea Party challengers likely are not in danger. There are an number of open Blue Dog seats that might flip if the Republican candidate is not affiliated with the Tea Party but just a normal GOP loony (as opposed to an over-the-edge loony).
The Tea Party movement is overrated although they succeeded in getting their candidates through some GOP primaries.
Plus there are some Republicans that might be in trouble because they are being opposed by progressive Democrats.
The Beltway conventional wisdom (and Cook is a part of the Village) might be way off this year (and Nate Silver has had a post on fivethirtyeight.com of some of the reasons why).
No sympathy for a Blue Dog here. None whatever. Scum.
That downturn was before Obama got record numbers of us to vote for the first time I admit these numbers will go down from Presidential levels but I doubt they will return to pre Obama voting levels.
If the pollsters are counting on minority voting patterns to go back to what they were pre Obama well they are wrong.
Any evidence that the Tea Baggers are attracting big crowds Southern Dragon says if Florida the Anti Tea Baggers outnumber the Tea Baggers at Tea Bagger protests.
Are there any signs the Tea Baggers are attracting a larger group than the original GOP Crazy base? We got the Blue Dogs GOP seats because we turned out to vote. A bad economy makes everyone angry but does it drive voter turnout?
I don’t see a bad economy making people less likely to vote why because instead of being fat happy and lazy voters are worried about jobs and keeping their homes even minority voters.
We need a comparison of Tea Bagger numbers vs other protests. We need numbers on the size of past GOP crazy protests vs what the Tea Baggers can deliver in turnout now.
Thats the only way to measure election strength.
The Democrats may be more effective (yeah, I know, that’s a joke) as a minority party “saying no” to various forms of Republican insanity.
When Democrats are the majority party, they don’t obstruct. They give lip service to being against Republicans’ legislation, but they vote for it.
Even the leaders within the Progressive Caucus are worthless.
Good riddance to the blue dogs, including Obama…..go join the republicans where you belong.
“The American political landscape is shifting, and those who side with corporations, whether Republican or Democrat, will have to answer to anger from both sides of the spectrum”
Obviously neither side cares about this. They are held in check. Although I don’t think the Dems are going to lose by as much as people think. Not so sure about all these supposed upcoming losses
The Blue dogs and the democrats have only themselves to blame for any losses they incur in November. Democrats who vote like republicans bcz they have won in traditionally republican areas are not the most perceptive group out there. If you are a democrat living in a republican area and you get elected then obviously the people there are looking for something different not more of the same. By governing in the center right Obama and the Bluedog dems missed an opportunity to show the difference btwn the two parties. Had he focused on creating jobs and stimulating the economy Obama and the dems wld be in position to capture more seats not less. By creating jobs Obama wldve have made it difficult to vote against him and the dems bcz a vote for the republicans meant losing a paycheck. That is something that any Tea bagger can immediately understand especially if they are the one without a job. These next two elections shldve been a slam dunk for the democrats but unfortunately they will be dogfights and the Obama administration and the democrats have no one to blame for this but themselves.
The only thing i remember the Blue Dogs ever doing is helping to block/water down progressive legislation. Let them lose! This will weaken the Blue Dog Coalition, while the Progressive Coalition in the house is going to stay just as strong if not stronger. In two years it will be the republicans who will be at risk of losing these seats (and hopefully we can find better candidates then than the blue dog who currently sits in those seats).
A vote for a republican is a vote for corporate government,and a vote for dems isn’t? Please. It must be hot in that bubble of denial.
Conventional thinking says the party in power is going to lose big in the mid terms. This is not a conventional time. The blue dogs are in trouble and rightly so, but the good guys will come out on top.
BTW, anyone who thinks that it’s just the conservative democrats who are in trouble, is in for a political-opinion adjustment on Nov. 3rd.
We seem to be in agreement, tanbark. My point was that the GOP hasn’t been “salvaged:” they are just as despised as when the voters threw them out. What has changed is that now the Dems are also in the doghouse: it was a leveling down, not a leveling up and now voters are asking themselves “Who are the good guys?”
Maybe it was just the way I read your post? I think of salvaging something as getting it back, restoring it.
That’s certainly what the polls indicate. The negatives for both parties are higher than their positives, and often by a lot.
I think I can sum up the Blue Dogs’ problem with health care reform in one compound sentence. They voted for a bill that was going to honk off their conservative voters regardless of what was in it, and at the same time had little of value to the people who needed the help most. That’s what I call “lose-lose” legislation.
The Blue Dogs were idiots to support this bill, assuming they wanted to stay in office.
This is an easy question to answer. Democrats are in danger of losing because they insist on governing like the very scum they were voted in to replace. You don’t promise change, refuse to deliver so much as an ounce of it, and seriously expect people to vote for you again.
My sentiments exactly.