
Screenshot of the Tuesday edition of MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports”
American foreign policy makers have a few countries that are routinely regarded as evil no matter what the evidence. A few examples include: Iran, North Korea, Mexico, Nigeria, Chad, Somalia, Syria, etc.
There’s no limit to what a foreign policy maker will hypothesize on the airwaves, and this has been especially true in the case of North Korea attacking South Korea. In discussions about how the U.S. should respond, neoconservatives have appeared on television to cheerlead the idea of a nuclear response.
In the case of Richard Haass, President of the Council on Foreign Relations, he appeared on Andrea Mitchell Reports on MSNBC on Tuesday to suggest the following:
HAASS: …I think what you need to is retaliate when they do things like this. Retaliate and you need to be prepared for something bigger and you need to have very clear messages to North Korea. If they for example continue to do things like that, they will be retaliated against. If they for example take any of their newfound nuclear capabilities and transfer them to a country like Iran or to any of the terrorist groups, we ought to be very clear that, that would lead to our taking extraordinary military action, perhaps seeking regime change. I think the United States needs to take a much tougher line with North Korea, and stop imagining that we`re somehow going to resume these negotiations that are in turn going lead to North Korea`s de-nuclearization. It`s simply not in the cards…. [emphasis added]
Just like movie buffs love to play the trivia game “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon,” foreign policy think tank leaders and members love to play “Six Degrees of Iran.”
Basically, any foreign conflict or incident especially ones that the U.S. could have played a clear role in exacerbating must somehow be connected to Iran. Usually, policy makers are able to do this in one degree like Haass did on MSNBC. Sometimes you have to involve other countries so you include China or you mention Somalia or Chad and how terrorists there might be able to transfer nuclear weapons to Iran.
Excuse the fact that what’s suggested may sound like the plot to a Tom Clancy novel, the point is to keep Americans on their toes and inundated with the idea that Iran is a 24/7 nuclear threat even though U.S. intelligence can scarcely prove that Iran is bent on creating a nuclear weapon.
Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern recently reported that former President George W. Bush’s book Decision Points illuminates how Bush was shocked to find out Iran stopped developing nuclear weapons in 2003. In fact, Gareth Porter of Consortium News reported, “The most important intelligence documents used to argue that Iran had a covert nuclear weapons research and development program in 2003 turn out to have a fatal flaw: the technical drawings depict a reentry vehicle that had already been abandoned by the Iranian missile program in favor of an improved model.”
But, for people like Haass, that’s of no consequence. The idea that Iran should be allowed to just peacefully enrich uranium because that is a right it is entitled to as a signatory of a Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is perverse.
If Iran isn’t a nuclear threat to the Middle East, geopolitics and foreign policy in the service of superpower have to be entirely rethought. Better to continue to promote the idea Iran is “intent on developing the means to produce a nuclear weapon.” Oh, and do whatever to promote fear of that country whenever possible.



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Richard Haass. Book him Danno.
Another example of Let’s go start another little war….That’s working out so well…
You know I get the “feeling” that most people have had enough of these fucking neverending wars. If so, all their six degrees of bullshit will be just that. Obama may be tossed out just because of these lost causes.
Determined to go to war with Iran aren’t they? It will finish the United States.
Wasn’t Haass a part of the W. White House(sometime between 2001 & 2005)?
Lies work. And when they don’t, who cares what we think.
That’s about the size of it when it comes to the next war, and the next war after that, &tc.
I know that whenever something goes wrong it’s to do with Iran. If I, for example, misplace my car keys, I call the TIPS line (1-800-RATFINK) and report suspicious activity in Tehran.
Occupied southern Korea admitted firing two artillery shells in an area they should’ve avoided, having been warned repeatedly for months (even years) by leaders of the northern provinces. The United States has a long history of creating situations where they never get blamed for their chicanery, astroturfing, and far worse throughout its history. They propped up a brutal corrupt rightwing regime in the early 1950s Korea and launched a proxy war against China. This event solidified the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about later in the same decade. As far as the U.S. is concerned, the Cold War never ended. It’s still waging old geostrategic battles. That’s mainly because it’s good for business. And of course, Iran is caught in the middle of this with Russia, still! The U.S. would love to have the Shah regime back with a Pahlavi descendant at the helm, once again taking direction from the U.S. The U.S. so very much would like to trump Russian and China after all. It’s good for business.
As long as the U.S. and Israel are around, it is only rational for the leader of any small nation to try to obtain nuclear weapons.
It’s a good thing Obama doesn’t have the balls to push back against the drum beaters. If he said he didn’t want to go to war with Iran, Congress would declare war on Monday.
I would love to think you’re correct…not so sure. We just keep doing this war thing b/c the world is soooo scary, it seems.
It’s sad that the Western MSM hasn’t reported more heavily (at all) the fact that the Israeli Stuxnet has had a significant impact on Iran’s Nuke program, nor, the fact the US’s main claim to an Iranian Nuke weapons program was the Laptop of Death’s schematics for a nuke missile, in which, was of the entirely wrong missile system…! Hello…???
Anybody know that there’s a Impeachment article being floated in the Iranian Parliament to impeach Ahminejad…?
I have faith that people will see this as bullshit. We are already in two wars and several actions. But you never know about “feelings” I agree. Pretty soon a person could run on a peace platform and screw up all the best laid plans of the neo cons.
Regarding the “Korean standoff”, the rest of the story.
Yeonpyeong Island lies 7.5 miles off North Korea’s shores, in disputed waters, but on the island is a ROK marine base and civilian housing, fishermen and their families. The north-south demarcation line is only on the land, not on the water.
Yeonpyeong Island is #3 on this map
http://tinyurl.com/24o7aso
The RoKs run an annual military exercise in the area. This year General Sharp, US Army, decided to make it division size. The NorKors learned of it and told the RoKs it was provocative. They ran it anyhow.
Also, the ROKS were plopping some shells into the nearby waters. Let South Korean Minister of National Defense Kim Tae-young tell it: “We are indeed in the middle of Hoguk exercises but the training that took place near Yeonpyeong Island was not part of the Hoguk exercises, but monthly shooting exercises,” said Kim.
Monthly shooting exercises.
North Korea had sent statements before the attack on Tuesday, warning South Korea to halt the Hoguk exercises. Kim said that North Korea had complained about the routine firing exercises in the past, but it was the first time for them to have acted on it.
North Korea responded, as we know.
Later, at a ROK National Assembly Defense Committee meeting when asked if any of the South Korean rounds fired during the exercise had crossed the border accidentally, triggering the attack, Defense Minister Kim said the South Korean military prepares “with caution” and keeps their firing “4 to 5 kilometers [2.5 to 3.1 miles] away from the Northern Limit Line.”
Sure. The Gulf of Tonkin comes to mind. President Lee Myung-bak is strongly pro-US and has taken an aggressive policy on North Korea,
The US has accused NorKor of violating the Korean armistice. The 57-year-old UN/NorKor armistice agreement includes the following words:
Preamble: ” . . .with the objective of establishing an armistice which will insure a complete cessation of hostilities and of all acts of armed force in Korea until a final peaceful settlement is achieved,. . .”
Also: “. . .within three (3) months after the Armistice Agreement is signed and becomes effective, a political conference of a higher level of both sides be held by representatives appointed respectively to settle through negotiation the questions of the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Korea, the peaceful settlement of the Korean question, etc.”
This armistice is being violated by the US and South Korea.
* acts of armed force
* no conference
* no withdrawal of foreign troops (US)
* no peaceful settlement
Back at the White House, the president was woken at 4:30 am and told of the incident. Was it provoked, he asked? When he learned the truth he got on the phone with President Hu, explained that the ROKs had put him in a bind, and could he please pretty please send an aircraft carrier into the Yellow Sea for two days, max? “I need to save some face.” Hu responded yes, but that it would cost him, and Obama said yeah, I expected that.
So they worked out a deal, and the Pentagon has dispatched an aircraft carrier strike group led by the USS George Washington to the Yellow Sea.
The last part of this is made-up, but probable, the previous is fact.
The “North Korean Standoff” could be cured in a heartbeat if the US would negotiate with North Korea but it refuses to, instead wanting to include its political (not economic) puppet South Korea.
But 57 years of having a convenient enemy like North Korea has suited the US just fine, and let’s go for 57 more and screw peace. It’s bad for business.
Not to mention the fact that the best that we know they’ve been able to refine uranium is about pure enough to make a watch dial glow in the dark.
china is not going to pay for this war with n. korea. and please recall, n korea has an army that can overrun the south in about a week. the exodus from seoul would make the fall of saigon looks like disneyland.
so increasing belligerence isn’t really a viable course. someone smarter than me (and mr. haas) is going to have to figure out what concession n korea is angling for this time.
and please, let’s not talk about bombing that new reactor- under- construction. i think that would fall under the heading “act of war”, and start the n korean army trekking southward.
North Korea might overrun Seoul in a week, but that’s it. The ROKs have the technology, and rank #12 in the world vs. NorKor at #20 in military ranking, not counting US troops plus US air & naval support. By the way, current reports say that the people in Seoul are not bothered by this. (Maybe they should be.)
The US says to NorKor: I wish you didn’t have nukes so we could invade you, and NorKor says that’s exactly why we have nukes.
It’s the “Korean Standoff”. :-)
What does Haass mean by: “a country like Iran”?
Would CFR President Haass be ok with them being transfered to a country which is not “like Iran”?
There aren’t any countries “like Iran” in Central and South America. Would Rhodes Scholar Haass be OK with say… a nuclear armed Haiti? Or maybe Venezuela? And why not Mexico?
Every Empire comes to and end sooner or later.
It’s not a coincidence the last three letters of his last name spell “ass”.
North Korea attacks South Korea? I guess this means we’re going to have to attack Iran.
Having been assigned to the JSA-Joint Security Area-on the DMZ in Korea in the 1970s and having my son in the same place in the 90s AND having several of my wifes relatives assigned there today I can say this, I got combat pay in Korea in the 70s, actually saw more combat there than I did in Vietnam in 1970. There have been many cases over the years of NK encrouchment in the South. 1-Tank tunnels discovered crossing under the DMZ-built by NK.2- NK sending MIGS over the border-buzzing mountain top Army units-1970s,and 3- This year NK border guards have fired into SK border posts, fire was returned.
Also on one patrol back in the late 70s we were attacked by a Tiger. We killed it. The Korean DMZ has more wildlife than almost any other place on earth. We saw lots of Tiger tracks during patrols and were ambushed once by NK forces,we also tracked several NK patrols over the years. We, along with the ROK Army back in the 70s tracked down a several person NK team that crossed the border and shot up several small villages. NK spys also managed, if memory serves, to blow up a KAL aircraft-leaving Thailand maybe? several years ago. Never believe that NK is an innocent here, They actually landed teams in Japan to kidnap Japanese who were simply in the wrong place, this was finally made public in the 90s-2000? and the Japanese were returned to Japan. NK delt drugs out of several embassies over the years and have run massive counterfit operations of many world currencies.
North Korea is nothing more than a bunch of thugs who believe that they are great warlords in the manner of Korean history.
Yes, they have a 2 million man army, but due to food shortages over the last several decades the avg NK soldier is in fact getting shorter and has less stamina than the current ROK-the ROK Army is one of the best militaries in the world, they train more than US troops do and,due to the fact that SK has a draft, everyone serves and understands the threat that NK poses. All of the bridges and over/under passes within 5 miles of the border are mined, if-your choice of diety-forbid, NK does invade SK, I think that the US military tripwire(The last I heard there were 28K+ US military in SK) and the ROK military, along with all of the SEATO countries, will prevail. Japan, Thailand, NZ and Oz will send troops. North Korea, if they do decide to pop a nuke, will get hammered by the US. I do not believe that the rethugs and the neocons in congress will allow our govt to abandon Korea like we did Vietnam.
Really? You believe that NK would actually agree to talk? Since 1953 NK has done nothing but make threats, one step forward along with 15 steps back. So far only China has been able to force them into the 6 party talks and they did nothing more than make threats. Negotiate? North Korea? Your pair of rose colored glasses must be really strong. And I think that you really need to look at the history of exactly what it is that NK wants and what happens after you agree to whatever it is they want. They simply up their demands for more. SK has been shipping them rice for many years, instead of then sitting down and talking, NK has been DEMANDING more aid from SK or ELSE.
Reality says that your dream will not happen, because NK wants to much before even starting to talk.
Really? We want to invade NK? Wow, what an imagination. SK does not want to invade NK either. AND, both China and SK do not want the NK govt to collapse-which is why SK has been shipping tons of rice north(along with the US) there are many reasons but China does not want millions of refugees crossing the Yalu nor do they want to have SK(and the US) on its border. SK does not want the NK govt to fall because they closely observed what happened in Germany and don’t want the same thing to happen to them.
And then maybe the South Koreans have been living with the threat of a NK invasion for decades so they do not live in fear. As the Brits and French have done re terrorists.Meanwhile we quake in our boots and are fearful that a terrorist might attack again. And in fact we are so fearful that we do not want to try terrorists in court, thinking that armies of arabic terrorists will invade. Watch out, they might shoot up a mall in Kansas!!!!
We have become, mostly due to what the bushies said over the last decade, so damn afraid of a very small group of religious nuts half a world away that we are destroying ourselves all in the name of security. So the sheeple cower under their beds and OBL laughs, alQaeda need never make another attack because, as OBL said years ago, we are destroying ourselves, all in the name of fear.
And the US did not invade NK before they got nukes-about 10 years ago-because??
The US lost the moral high ground when they gave Israel nukes. We can’t help but sound like hypocritical liars to the rest of the world.
Nukes will probably be used somewhere within 30 years (at which point, everyone will be capable of making one). It seems to me that the world will have to learn the lesson all over again.