The United States Senate came one step closer to extending provisions of the PATRIOT Act, as only eight senators stood up and called for the provisions to be reformed or not extended. The provisions, slated to expire on Friday, now must pass in a final vote later in the week.
Provisions slated to expire include: the “roving wiretap provision,” which permits government to obtain intelligence surveillance orders without identifying the person or the facility being tapped (Section 206 of the Act); the “Lone Wolf” provision, which permits intelligence agencies to survey non-US persons not affiliated with a foreign organization (Section 6001 of the Act); and Section 215, which grants government authorization to obtain “any tangible thing” relevant to a terrorism investigation, even if there is no evidence the “thing” pertains to the terrorist or terrorist activity under investigation.
One senator, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who would like to “sunset the entire PATRIOT Act and protect American civil liberties,” delivered a speech on the Senate floor in defense of freedom and privacy in America.
What the PATRIOT Act has done, explained Paul, is “taken away some of the protections of the Fourth Amendment.” Under the Fourth Amendment, the government must “name the person and place to be searched.” Those protections are gone.
No longer does government need to have “probable cause.” As Paul stated, the Act has taken away those rights and made it so if it’s “relevant” or they think the search or seizure is related to the investigation authorities can conduct searches and seizures.
Paul raised the issue of national security letters (NSLs), something that candidate Barack Obama opposed. They allow the FBI to write warrants without review by a judge, Paul stated. This throws off our nation’s system of checks and balances.
“Do we want a government that looks at our records and is finding out what our reading habits are?” asked Paul. “One of the provisions apply to library records. Do you want the government to find out what you’re reading at the library?”
Additionally, Paul asked, “We now have a president that wants to know where you contributed before you do work for the government. Do we want that kind of all-encompassing government that is looking at every record from top to bottom and invading our privacy?”
Defenders of the PATRIOT Act argue these authoritarian set of powers granted to government are needed to fight the “war on terror.” Paul dismantled this claim in his speech:
You know, we — we looked at — I think so far they say we have looked at 28 million electronic records. We have looked at 1,600,000 text messages, and we have 800,000 hours of audio. We have so much audio that they can’t even listen to it all. Twenty-five percent what they have recorded of your phone conversations is not listened to because they don’t even have time to listen to it.
My point would be that we’re eavesdropping on so many people that it could be that we are missing out and not targeting. It’s just like the airports. Every one of you is being searched in the airport and you’re not terrorists and you’re no threat to our country.
Why are we not looking for the people who would attack us and spending time on those people? Why do we not go to a judge and say this person we suspect of dealing with this terrorist group, will you give us a warrant? Why don’t we have those steps?
Paul’s speech wasn’t anything one could call radical except for the fact that only a handful of senators had the guts to speak on the extension of the PATRIOT Act. Out of fifty-one Democrats in the Senate, only four voted “no” and stood with Paul. Those Democrats were Sen. Max Baucus and Sen. Jon Tester, both from Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska and Jeff Merkley of Oregon. Independent Bernie Sanders voted “no” and so did two Republicans, Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.
Why are there so few Democrats taking issue with the idea that government should be able to violate the Fourth Amendment to fight terrorism when that is not the case? Why is there so little push back from liberals or progressives to put an end to the extraordinary assault on civil liberties that the Bush Administration escalated and the Obama Administration has done little to bring to an end?
Liberals see Paul’s name and point out that he believes life begins at conception, opposes federal abortion funding, would like to see federal spending growth limited to the per-capita inflation rate, supports stripping the Environmental Protection Agency of all powers to regulate greenhouse emissions, supports a repeal of health reform, supports a ban homosexuals in the military, favors the privatization of Social Security, or opposes giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. But, if there is no liberal or progressive push in the Legislative Branch to sunset the Patriot Act, who are those who give a damn about civil liberties to support?
Gone from the Senate is Russ Feingold, the only Democrat who voted against the Patriot Act when it first came up for a vote in the Senate. Now, when there is a push to extend Bush Administration policies like the PATRIOT Act or moves to give the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) the power to give pat-downs and do body scans in airports, libertarians are the only crowd the country hears defending civil liberties.
President Obama no longer appears to have any problem with any parts of the PATRIOT Act. So, liberals, who fully understand why people like Paul are justified in opposing the PATRIOT Act, cower and take cues from the Obama Administration. They fall in line and allow violations of basic civil liberties to be perpetrated. They take at face value the claim that the government “needs this authority.”
Under President Bush, liberals would never have been as silent as they are now. There would have been rancorous opposition especially in the blogosphere to extending PATRIOT Act provisions. Liberal talk radio and MSNBC would be talking about the government’s push to maintain extraordinary powers. But, for liberal activists, bloggers, pundits, and politicians, Obama cannot be hampered by any campaigns to defend democratic society, which might make it difficult for him to run for re-election.
Liberals began the Obama presidency committed to making Obama do it—whatever they thought needed to be fixed now that President Bush was gone. They had some kind of a vision. Now, they tinker around the edges and ask for minuscule reform that will not upset the balance (or gross imbalance) of power in the country. They ask for changes that have no monetary impact on the corporatist elements of the United States, which make money off of subverting democracy to fight the “war on terror.” When their voices are most needed, they say nothing and do nothing.
Liberals contend that people must cut Obama some slack. Meanwhile, the imperial presidency expands.
Watch Sen. Paul say what liberals or progressives should be saying.
Update 1
Rand Paul has proposed amendments to the extension of the PATRIOT Act that would address some of its most totalitarian aspects. Salon.com’s Glenn Greenwald notes in a post how Paul’s move to amend the extension has led to Democratic Party bullying from leaders like Sen. Dianne Feinstein (an ardent supporter of prosecuting Julian Assange under the Espionage Act):
Sen. Paul announced that he was considering using delaying tactics to hold up passage of the bill in order to extract some reforms (including ones he is co-sponsoring with the Democrats’ Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Leahy, who — despite voicing “concerns” about the bill — voted for cloture). Paul’s announcement of his delaying intentions provoked this fear-mongering, Terrorism-exploiting, bullying threat from the Democrats’ Senate Intelligence Committee Chair, Dianne Feinstein:
“I think it would be a huge mistake,” Feinstein told reporters. “If somebody wants to take on their shoulders not having provisions in place which are necessary to protect the United States at this time, that’s a big, big weight to bear.”
In other words: Paul and the other dissenting Senators better give up their objections and submit to quick Patriot Act passageor else they’ll have blood on their hands from the Terrorist attack they will cause. That, of course, was the classic Bush/Cheney tactic for years to pressure Democrats into supporting every civil-liberties-destroying measure the Bush White House demanded (including, of course, the original Patriot Act itself), and now we have the Democrats — ensconced in power — using it just as brazenly and shamelessly (recall how Bush’s DNI, Michael McConnell, warned Congressional Democrats in 2007 that unless they quickly passed without changes the new FISA bill the Bush White House was demanding, a Terrorist attack would likely occur at the Congress in a matter of “days, not weeks”; McConnell then told The New Yorker: “If we don’t update FISA, the nation is significantly at risk”). Feinstein learned well.
Paul appears to believe the Senate should be a place for open public debate. In trying to challenge Obama on the Libya war and the Obama Administration’s violation of the War Powers Act, Paul told Anderson Cooper, “It’s hard for me to get the floor unless I somehow sneak on the floor when no one’s looking to try to get a vote. Why would we not want to debate great Constitutional questions? When I ran for office, that’s what I thought – there will be great and momentous debates on the floor. We don’t have any because they prevent the debates from ever even beginning.”
It’s people like Sen. Paul, Sen. Bernie Sanders, former Sen. Russ Feingold, and representatives in the House like Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Rep. Ron Paul, who both Democrats and Republicans violate rules and guidelines in Congress to ensure real debate on issues never happens.



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Senators who vote to extend the Patriot Act are Democrats and Republicans but they are neither liberal nor conservative. They are Fascists and advocates for the Police State. They are traitors. They are scum. If you support any of them, you are scum.
Recommended of course.
Liberals ?seem to me the real liberals are most of us ,the street sweepers,janitors & grave diggers,as for the silence,well, it’s coming from the faux liberals or careerists in the Corporate media & like workingclass pointed out most of those in congress are Fascist.
Other than Code Pink is there any real liberal organisations? …you can forget MoveOn they are a “Limousine” Liberal Org & thus does not qualify,can anyone think of any more liberal orgs ?
Should we just call them Democrats instead of liberals? Do they give up their right to have that label when they fail to defend progressive or liberal values?
It we want this thing call representative democracy to work we must call out this totalitarian mentality supported by the so called liberal class in Congress and Senate. Tyranny supported by the Liberal Class is more frighting than tyranny by neocons. The people in the Democratic Party have lies to us so very much. We know when their lying because their lips are moving. We at the grass root level must call them out. If some one on The Right have a good point we must acknowledge that too. Our president does this when it convenience for him to get what he wants. If we don’t do this we will be held shortage by the Left-Right Paradigm . Rand Paul might not believe in evolution. He do not believe in a Totalitarian State either. What does lying Senator Schumer believe in.
In answer to your question, YES !
Once again Chris Hedges hit the nail right on the head with the demise of the liberal class. They are all self-serving cowards now.
Obama has to lose if for no other reason to unmuzzle the left. Not that I expect them to do anything meaningful, it is so sad that we give away all our rights, not under a Republican, but silently do so under a Democrat. Same with Clinton before him when we started wholeheartedly down the road of globalization.
Can’t wait for all you “liberals” to think Hillary is the answer.
Yes, head over to Why Liberal Sellouts Attack Prophets Like Cornel West for more.
I firmly agree with the core of Chris Hedges’ work right now: much of the Tea Party backlash is a direct result of Americans feeling the liberal class betrayed them.
This sense of betrayal is something we must not begrudge fellow Americans for feeling. The liberal class has not only betrayed average Americans but also the very grassroots that it needs to be vibrant and influential.
The liberal class’ demise will come as the right continues to expand the national security state and as it continues to turn this country into more of a corporatist nation.
The vacuum will continue to grow as it gets harder and harder to argue for something other than the fascist direction right wing forces promote. Those who have not lost their consciences can fight back and take a stand by challenging the right wing along with the liberal class’ betrayal of Americans.
From that deconstruction, citizens can piece together a vision for rebuilding and reorganizing this society. Citizens can end their slavery to a Democratic Party that exploits populist issues for electoral victories but never does much of anything for the people at all.
Kill the Uniparty. Fight it until it is dead and ALL its officers are in jail. The Uniparty must be stopped. For good. Its crimes must all be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
No! Don’t call them “liberals” there is perhaps one liberal in the entire Senate and that is Bernie Sanders.
Otherwise there are no liberals in the Senate.
In regard to the name for those who are not Tea Party/Republicans–the name is “Wall Street Corporate Centrist Democrats”. This is the faction that is in control of the Democratic Party. I don’t think they are the majority of party members, but they are the ruling power of the party and the Clintons are at the core of it. These people, like the rich Republicans, care more about money and their Wall Street stock portfolios than their constituents.
It is not only inaccurate, but downright absurd to even call these people progressives, much less liberals. They are much closer to being Republicans than they are to being liberal.
I just call the War Party, the War Party. The feverish aggressive tyrannical elite are plundering the nation and they need laws that undo just laws in order to do that. All rationalized as you point out, as protecting the American people. There was a fellow once who was ‘protecting the homeland’ from Belgium, Austria, Poland, and France…………
The Sounds of Silence, huh? Imagine.
Great Diary. Must read for the tea party = “ignorant racist asshole” crowd that I have bumped into here. Break the left/right false argument.
Ron Paul 2012
It gags me to agree with Rand Paul about anything, but he’s undoubtedly on the side of the angels on this issue.
Please don’t put “Corporate” and “Centrist” next to each other, its really “Corporate” and “Scumbag” (or “Corrupt” or etc.).
Thank you for this, Kevin.
Note a breaking development on this legislation in the Senate:
Harry Reid just moved to table (that is, to kill, at about 6:15 p.m.) his own motion to proceed to S. 1038. [Rand Paul had thus far prevented passage of the actual motion to proceed to S. 1038, following Monday's successful cloture vote.]
Reid did so after first play-acting a pathetic little tableau about his “responsibility” to keep the sunsetting PATRIOT provisions from expiring on Friday (translation: to prevent the Senate from democratically doing its work), and about his “unsuccessful” negotiations with Rand Paul over the last couple of days to allow the Senate to vote on amendments to this bill. [Paul had reduced his requested amendments from 11 to 3 or 4.]
The vote on Reid’s undebatable motion to table is now underway (watch the Democratic caucus fall in line). There seems to be an easy simple majority in favor of that tabling.
At the same time that Reid made his motion to table, he made a motion to concur in a House amendment received by the Senate (this obviates any need for a motion to proceed, or a conference between House and Senate), to extend the PATRIOT Act provisions – I don’t know which amendment this is, exactly, as yet – and filed a Democratic cloture motion to “end debate” on that House amendment. The vote on that cloture motion will take place on Thursday, and, if the Democrats knuckle under to this abusive power play by Harry Reid (who’s bravely strutting here, with Mitch McConnell covering his back), that will probably be all she wrote for Rand Paul’s commendable efforts to get our Senators to honor their sworn oaths to defend our liberties, and to get the Senate to act like a legislative body.
Reid’s sudden announcements came shortly after some superb comments made on the Senate floor by Mark Udall of Colorado, and Ron Wyden of Oregon (who both sit on the Senate Intelligence Committee), in support of amendments that they’d hoped to offer to S. 1038. [Udall's seemed to be in line with those suggested by Julian Sanchez, and Wyden's included making public the OLC interpretations of the PATRIOT Act law.]
The majority of Senate “aristocrats” are openly strong-arming the minority of Senate “democrats” as we speak…
Harry Reid is every bit the coward and sellout that Tom Daschle was. And whoever follows Reid as Senate Democratic “leader” will follow suit.
The Democratic Party will never, ever again be a force for change.
At 6:43 p.m. Eastern, Tuesday, the vote count on Reid’s motion to table his own motion to proceed to the four-year extension of the sunsetting PATRIOT Act provisions was announced: 74 Ayes, 13 Nos, 1 voting Present. That’s the end of S. 1038, at least in that incarnation.
Harry Reid then immediately asked the Chair [Michael Bennet of Colorado] to lay before the Senate a message from the House, and formally moved to concur in the House amendment to S. 990, with an amendment numbered 347. Harry Reid then filed a cloture motion signed by 17 Democratic Senators, including Reid of Nevada and Reed of Rhode Island (the other names weren’t read) “to bring to a close debate” on his amendment 347 (language unknown, but which probably contains the exact same language as S. 1038) to the House amendment to S. 990.
Then, to top off this disgraceful exhibition of raw political power at work suffocating the democratic functioning of the Senate, Harry Reid proceeded to “fill the tree” – that is to prevent any other amendments to his amendment from being offered, by filing nonsense second-degree amendments and motions to refer to his amendment 347. [A practice that Harry Reid has engaged in more than all previous Senate Majority Leaders combined.
Then Harry Reid announced to his staring colleagues that there would be no more rollcall votes in the Senate this evening (evidently that’s all that Reid’s charges need to worry their pretty little heads about), and left the floor.
Exactly. There are no “liberals” anymore, not in any form I would recognize.
Instead of a new Church Committee investigation on assassinations, or torture, we get Democratic Party silence over a Democratic Party President using assassination as state policy. Instead of hearings on domestic spying, we have Democrats waving the 9/11 terror flag to scare people into supporting NSLs, the infamous Section 215 and more.
The whole issue with Paul is a non-starter. One can support a politician’s position on something without having to support the politician. IMO, the libertarian POV/platform is not an acceptable alternative for what we have now.
Truly, the lack of a serious alternative to the two parties is a serious problem for the U.S. citizens. Only out of the crisis as it unfolds will new political avenues become apparent, but I fear much suffering will entail until then.
To his great credit, Jeff Merkley of Oregon just took to the floor to “rise in protest” of the parliamentary power play that Harry Reid just executed (without, however, naming Reid). Quoting William Pitt to illustrate the pedigree of the Fourth Amendment, Jeff Merkley said that his would be a No vote on the unamendable Reid amendment extending the PATRIOT Act provisions, and said: “Let us have a debate in this Chamber…”
[Suggestion to all Senate democrats: Please make the Senate aristocrats keep the Senate open all night, or else cut short their Memorial Day weekends, by objecting to Reid's inevitable request to toll the 30 post-cloture hours of debate - should the cloture motion on S. 990's amendment(s) pass on Thursday - while the Senate is adjourned on Thursday (and Friday) night. This vote can still be delayed well into the weekend - which is at least something that the minority can do to fight back against this grossly-undemocratic abuse of power by the Senate majority, in order to discourage a reappearance of such abuses in future. Reid is counting on your 'comity' (along with the expiration of these provisions on Friday) to prevent that from happening. Don't let Reid's atrocious abuse of power in pursuit of his top-down "deal" be so easy and rewarding, or such abuses will only continue to increase.]
If they are gathering so much info they can’t get to it all, shouldn’t that they should hire more people. That way we all could listen in on each other. This would solve 2 problems every one is employed and there are no secrets;)
But, but, but R
ushachel says every night that everything is the fault of the Tea Party and the Republicans…“Break the left/right false argument” is absolutely correct. Americans choosing between Democrat and Republican is like chickens choosing between Tyson and Perdue.
Maybe they were just all in a hurry to move on to the really important business – cheering Netanyahu.
You know we’re in deep, deep shit when we have to rely on the likes of Rand Paul to stand with us on this issue.
Another great comment by you powwow, at Glenzilla’s
And about section 206 (roving wiretaps), every 6 hours they collect 74 terabytes of data
74 terabytes is equivalent to the entire Library of Congress, or 15.3 million digital items. every. six. hours.
Thanks PowWow. This is exactly why I supported Sharron Angle in Nevada.
I’m from Minnesota, and I want to know where the fuck are Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken?
I’m tired to the bone of silent ‘liberals’ who talk the talk, then balk.
Becoming a Senate Democrat is even worse than getting drafted by the Clippers. It’s a loser organization with losing deeply embedded in its DNA. If you rose Daniel Webster (not the wingnut from Florida but the great 19th century orator) from the dead and put him in the Senate, within six months he’d turn into a warmed-over Mary Landrieu.
Since it’s speech week…try looking in the vicinity of Bibi’s ballsack.
But they may still be waiting in line.
Sign outside Congress: “You must be at least this obsequious to rim Netanyahu.”
Worse than being drafted by the Clippers. That’s a great line.
By any chance are you in L.A., or just a hoops follower?
Hey, Kevin, just curious:
Does Katrina know what you’re up to on the side?
Bet she wouldn’t be happy about you bashing Dems and all.
But we here at the Lake appreciate the truth.
Yes, that’s as plain as day.
I continue to despise the terms liberals or left or proggy applied to ALL our erected offals who are NOTHING of the kind of any of those labels.
And most of those with money, power and influence who self define as liberal are status quoist’s, and could give a rats ass about real liberal issues, proggy ideals or anythng else that benefits the masses.
Unless it benefits their false image or their bottom line, fat too many people are called liberal when they are fully embedded with the fascist corporate oligarchy elites who own and operate us all.
Thanks for suggesting it’s time to eliminate the labels, n call them for what they are, Dim or ReThug.
Tell me, how do you propose this is done.
“Hello darkness my old friend.”
;-)
Ron Paul is neither liberal nor progressive . . . but he IS racist, homophobic and misogynist.
Yer shillin on the wrong blog hoss.
You wrote: “The Democratic Party will never, ever again be a force for change.”
Yes they are, and will be. But the change will not be in the best interests of we the people.
Just thot I’d reiterate that for yas . . . ;-)
EV, this should rank up there in the top ten greatest comments evah.
Damn that was well done.
Kevin’s ‘truths’ still need polishing if he’s gonna continue to rank Rand or Ron Paul in with us proggy’s.
There’s a canyon grand of divine between lib/proggy and either of the Paul’s . . . it’s as bad of a labeling job as Kevin speaks out about regarding sold out Dims.
In this he fails utterly and miserably to stake his claim as a ‘serious journalist’ . . . I was an intern, I worked in the field, I did NOT shy from telling the truth . . . I was small town but I knew to call shit for what it was.
Something Kevin refuses to do so far, unless it’s SAFE to do.
By doing so, he brings little to the table to share with us aside from insider beltway gossip and trendings.
Harumph.
I’m shillin where I think it is the most effective there, hoss. Please stop playing defender of the status quo. You do it quite often and I find it unfashionable.
Thanks Kevin. Your doing a great job spreading the inconvenient truth that both parties are the same. Let the healing begin. Keep calling a spade a spade.
Why don’t you just stick to speaking for your fucking self Larue instead of trying to pretend you speak for some “we”? News flash: you don’t speak for all of us and maybe not even for most of “us proggy’s”. This proggy thinks that the Pauls are better than just about any Democrat period.
Dark Days, my friend.
Of course they are the fucking same. Fuck the Democratic Party forever. Anybody who considers himself a progressive and votes Democratic is lying to himself. FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FDL. FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
Wow. Thank you, Larue. Coming from you that truly means a lot.
I wish the subject matter hadn’t made it possible.
Ron Paul is none of that. Check these out, but he has a 30 year public record and you are simply wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZDaq0Vw8Iw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPHgq0qGbe8
Happens that is his son up there, but he was against the Patriot Act from the moment it was first introduced and his Campaign for Liberty is fighting it now. Why don’t you? you don’t have to vote for him to work on an issue you agree with. Unless you actually like the Patriot Act.
LOL, now that we agree on that we can move on changing the current situation.
As I analyze the situation the best bet I see for change is supporting Ron Paul in the republican primary. This will force a change in the GOP towards libertarianism. It will effectively destroy the GOP or transform it. Either way I don’t care. In its current form it is just as rotten as the democrat party.
I am a Ron Paul supporter without the need to change the GOP anyway. I just see this as the best alternative for Progressive voters to fundamentally change the landscape and also get something accomplished like ending the drug war and ending the wars.
I doubt he will make it through without your help. If your interested in this you need to vote in the republican primaries. So switching to republican needs to happen before the primaries depending on your state.
http://republican4aday.com/ – Site that advocates democrats switch for a day to vote in the republican primaries. Get to work!
STUPID FUCKING DEMOCRATS.
Phil Ochs had it right about “liberals” -
“I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I’d lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal
I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don’t talk about revolution
That’s going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal
I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I’m glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don’t move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal
The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can’t understand how their minds work
What’s the matter don’t they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal
I read New republic and Nation
I’ve learned to take every view
You know, I’ve memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I’m almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There’s no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal
I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I’ll send all the money you ask for
But don’t ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal
Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I’ve grown older and wiser
And that’s why I’m turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal”
At least Reid admitted he opposes debate, in favor of running out the clock to benefit his anti-4th amendment goals:
Thanks, john. My three comments on that (quite short) thread of Glenn’s cover a good deal more territory than my three hurried comments above (which I’ve now combined, with added detail, into the third comment at Glenn’s).
So anyone confused by the lack of a preface to my explanations here might try starting with the comment you link, and then following that thread to the other two comments, in turn.
Who “all you”? Don’t be putting words in people’s mouths, there’s no surging Hillary support here. I supported her in the primary because I thought, still do, she was the dubious best of a bad lot. I never trusted her, she shifted around like a sail in a capricious wind, but she seemed better than Slick Barry. And I believe she might have been, slightly. We’ll never know and her time is gone. As Jim Florio eloquently put it, time for new people and new ideas. Same old, same old has had its run.
My thought, also.
Oh, dear, unfashionable. “Ron Paul is neither liberal nor progressive . . . but he IS racist, homophobic and misogynist” is not defending the status quo, it’s calling a racist, homophobic misogynist a racist, homophobic misogynist. If you think not, make your case.
Does anyone wonder what Sharron Angle would have done with this?
Everything the government says is a God Damn Lie.
Patriot act my ass, first an act can’t amend the constitution which is what this lie proposes.
Who’s stupid enough to believe the government is passive instead of actively using this against dissent in this country such as having you believe what type is posted rather than just appear on your screen. Would they prevent business calls from getting through to destroy the business owner that is out of favor ?
Everything the government says is a God Damn Lie.
I don’t hide the writing I do when I am not working in the office. I have been very open with The Nation—about my belief in Chris Hedges’ work on the “death of the liberal class” and how progressives need to get over Ralph Nader and begin to work toward real electoral reform (i.e. campaign finance reform and the further construction of a multi-party electoral system).
I’m glad the Lake appreciates seeing my diaries here. I’m not going to be letting up. Right about now, Eric Alterman could use a good takedown as his short post on Noam Chomsky and Osama bin Laden is far too popular.
Unlike his father Ron, who is at least consistent in his beliefs, Rand Paul has not been consistently against the Patriot Act. His waffling on the issue was one of the reasons that the Kentucky Libertarian Party officially disowned him:
“Libertarians want a complete repeal of the PATRIOT Act, closure of Guantanamo Bay, and an end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Rand Paul has stated that he wants to continue military detentions at Guantanamo Bay, a retroactive official declaration of war by Congress, and has denied that he seeks to overturn the PATRIOT Act.”
http://www.lpky.org/node/243
They are “Wall Street Corporate-State Democrats”, (there is certainly nothing “centrist” about them, they are every bit as extremist as their coconspirators on the Right), however we don’t need all the mouth full. They are more simply “Neocons.” The neoconservatives movement started on the Left (after coming into focus at the University of Chicago, Obama’s old neighborhood — surprise, surprise) and it remained embedded in the Left as it migrated to take over the Right starting in the mid-80s. David Horowitz and his ilk didn’t change their stripes (people don’t change!), he simple moved forward as an advance man into to new territory. BOTH parties are now Neocon, and as someone else commented here, rightly, they are fascists. The libertarians are now the only (growing) movement representing both liberal and conservative values, albeit only the liberty (negative freedoms) aspects of those values, and not the repressive (positive “freedoms”) aspects. So we are going to have to choose, do progressive liberals and libertarians, disenfranchised though they may be, form an alliance, and move forward into history, or do we all cling to our age-old political purities and let the fascist us drag us down into the their version of history? As an aside, many progressives would be surprised, if they actually talked to libertarians outside the Beltway, especially Western libertarians or the Rothbardian tradition, to discover that libertarians are perfectly willing to tolerate many progressive goals so long as they are undertaken locally and democratically, and not forced upon individuals uniformly by a central federal government. In short, they embrace governmental, policy, and societal competition as much as they do commercial competition (real competition, not the faux corporatist stuff going on today). They just want people to be left free to choose, to change the system by having access to an accessible local political system, or to walk away to a competing locality that better suits their needs.
So the question appears to be, are we willing to sacrifice our discretionary income, or toys, use the money to start taking care of ourselves and our own, and hold our noses and vote for a third-party Paul/Kucinich ticket, or do we simply stick our heads in the ground and wait for the ground to start to shake from the vibrations of jackboots marching into town? The choice is ours.
Actually, we do know now — her buddy Lanny Davis lobbied Obama to lay off the coup perps in Honduras, because the guy they booted, Zelaya, had committed the horrible sin of raising the minimum wage that US t-shirt moguls pay their peasant laborers.
There’s not much daylight between Hillary (or Bill) and Obama at all. Remember, the only reason Social Security wasn’t destroyed in 1998 as a result of the Clinton-Gingrich Pact was because of Monica Lewinsky.
I second the motion regarding the arrogance of those who would assume they speak for anyone but themselves.
The ‘Pauls’, on the other hand, are rather problematic for me.
to eblair @ 6:22 pm
Once again I concur: The Democratic Party is engaging in terminal self fornication which will invariably result in complete political cardiac arrest.
Simple…
Stop voting for Democrats and Republicans.
Too many people are stuck in the two party box and cant get out. Learn to think for yorself… and as soon as you can re-register as an Independent [not affiliated with any political party].
The time has come to break the back of the corrupt two party system.
I’d like to second this suggestion.
The real political landscape in this country is not a battle between liberalism and conservatism/libertarianism. IF ONLY that was the battle we were having. The real battle is between a government that is so thoroughly corrupt and driven by corporatist/globalist interests that it’s going to cause a full-scale collapse, and a minority of Americans who are awake enough to realize this and try to stop it.
What the Pauls have in common with every one of you on this blog is that they are part of a paper-thin minority of elected officials in Washington that are incorruptible and are truly trying to save the country.
If you guys had a Kucinich or a Gravel or a Sanders running in the presidential race, I’d understand, but you don’t. You have Obama, and he’s not on OUR side.
Ron Paul is probably this nation’s last, best chance to elect someone honest to the highest office in time to save this country. And once he gets to Washington and we take out the trash there will be opportunity to have our real ideological debate about more vs. less government and such.
Any time there’s a candidate of real integrity from either ideological perspective, you should fight like hell to get them into office, because right now that’s the biggest problem we face. And FYI I say this as someone who has supported people like Kucinich and Feingold in the past even though I disagree entirely with their domestic agendas, because I know if someone like Russ Feingold thinks something is in the country’s best interest, he’ll support it. And that may not sound like much but it’s more than pretty much all the other senators.
Another reason you should vote for Ron Paul in the primary: think about what a Paul presidency would likely consist of. He’d have a lot of power to immediately stop the wars overseas, he’d have power to end the drug war, restore civil liberties. He has already gone on record saying he would pardon those in prison for nonviolent drug use. On domestic issues, he’s already said he wouldn’t pull the rug out under domestic programs and is probably the only person who can keep them solvent by slashing military spending and restoring fiscal sanity.
But on all the other issues where you as progressives disagree, most of those matters still rest on Congress anyway. Paul will have the bully pulpit, true, but it’s not like he’ll have the power to go in and end medicaid or social security, and he’s already stated that things like that would not be his priority if elected. And I’m pretty sure he’d have his hands full fending off 534 corrupt congressmen and senators.
By the way kudos to FDL for being pretty much the only progressive blog I’ve come across that’s giving Rand the fair shake he deserves.
Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn’t all form some kind of alliance to call a truce on the stuff we disagree on and just agree to all get behind a candidate who will promise to keep the status quo on the contentious issues and focus exclusively on the things we all agree are horrible, like the foreign policy, war on drugs, the debt, civil liberties, etc.
“In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”
George Orwell
I’ll stand by what I wrote.
From the Congressional Record, here’s what Harry Reid did last evening – just after the 74-13 (with Rand Paul voting Present) conclusion of the vote on Reid’s motion to table his own motion to proceed to S. 1038 – in order to singlehandedly prevent our Senate from functioning as a legislative body representing the will of the people, with regard to the sunsetting PATRIOT Act legislation:
With regard to that deplorable, undemocratic move by the Senate Majority Leader to “fill the tree” [the "tree" is a reference to a chart graphic showing how amendments may be made in the Senate as a matter of course under regular order] – an action which, it seems clear, is wholly supported in this case by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky (though it serves to block Kentucky’s Junior Senator from improving this legislation) – Mitch McConnell’s own words from April, a year ago, pretty much say it all about McConnell’s situational ethics and lack of integrity, which obviously mirror those of the Majority Leader who McConnell was rightly criticizing at the time:
Is anyone in the Democratic caucus going to make Harry Reid pay a price for his obvious contempt for the democratic legislative process, and resulting abuse of his position, or will they all just continue to ‘go along to get along,’ aside from some minor grumbling – because quietly appeasing the powerful despite their egregious, ugly abuse of their power is somehow going to improve or reform the deplorable, untenable situation in what’s become a “Senate” in name only??
Note: In about five minutes, Rand Paul is apparently going to be speaking on the Senate floor about the PATRIOT Act legislation:
http://c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-olNr4UuVqY&feature=player_embedded
Ron Paul gave his take of all of this on the house floor – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-olNr4UuVqY&feature=player_embedded
Why would you say that Larue? Got a link?
Why would you say that liberalarts? Got a link?
Some of y’all would rather stick with Fascism than seek allies to defeat it. No problem. But do you actually know anything about Ron Paul. Anything?
Rand Paul on the senate floor responding to the Reid’s tactics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzjYUmi5_IQ
Thanks for the links, jumper. The latter YouTube contains the comments that Senator Paul made (Tom Udall of NM, Jim DeMint of SC and Mike Lee of UT also joined him on the floor) about the PATRIOT Act, and the Senate’s refusal to work on the legislation, between 2:15 and 3:00 p.m. today (Wednesday, 5/25) – that is, the comments Paul made just after my previous comment was posted.
FYI, Senators Ron Wyden of OR and Mark Udall of CO have just written an informative and timely article at HuffingtonPost about this legislation and its secret OLC interpretations (see also multiple recent emptywheel posts and tweets about this late-developing, eyebrow-raising situation):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-ron-wyden/how-can-congress-debate-a_b_866920.html
Thank you, Rand Paul and other resisting Senators.
Your principled resistance to leadership bullying and to peer pressure to shove this legislation through without Senate consideration, and Paul’s courage in determining to force the Senate to stay late (including later than the expiration of the existing extension), if need be, to make a point about shirked Senate responsibilities, may finally be paying off. [Though it should be noted that all existing spying authorities will be grandfathered in, post-expiration, so the government would lose very little authority in the short term, anyway (never mind the fact that the President doesn't return to this country until Saturday, and thus couldn't sign any further extension into law until that time).]
I’m not quite sure that I believe my ears, and will have to wait and see what develops tomorrow, but judging from what Harry Reid just said, as he shut down the Senate for the night (at 7:45 p.m.), there may well be a real opportunity tomorrow for amendments to be made to this legislation, after all.
Majority Leader Reid just announced that the “second-degree amendment” filing deadline is 9:40 a.m. on Thursday – 10 minutes after the Senate convenes for the day. [At the moment, recall, there's no room for any second-degree amendment to Reid's extension amendment, and won't be, unless and until Reid withdraws the measures he filed yesterday to "fill the tree."] Reid further indicated that the Senate is close to a final (unanimous consent) agreement for “amendments” tomorrow, and that they’ve made “good progress” toward that (backroom-negotiated) agreement today.
The cloture vote on Reid’s extension amendment to the House message to S. 990 is scheduled to be held at 10:00 a.m. on Thursday. But it just may be that enough Senators – enough to deny a 60-vote supermajority (41 or more) – will refuse, or have refused, to vote for cloture tomorrow unless the Senate is guaranteed a genuine opportunity (including, I would hope, simple-majority margins for passage of amendments) to debate and amend this legislation before final passage. If so, there’s been yet another sudden U-turn in the road to enactment of this legislation since last evening/earlier today.
Here’s hoping that the latest apparent U-turn is for real…
I had Reid in mind when I wrote this
I’d like to believe that Reid is being aboveboard and allowing amendments. And I hate this because I always forget – do they only need a majority for the amendments to pass, or a super majority? Regardless, I think Reid is going to make sure the amendments get shot down because they’re doing this right before a holiday ‘because we have to pass something,’ and if the bill the Senate passes doesn’t match up with the House Bill they’ll all probably have to stay over the weekend
In case you miss it powwow, I gave a link in reply to your comment at May 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am
I’m already there, too few millions upon millions, are not.
Labeling me a defender of the status quo is as insane as believing Ron Paul is not racist, misogynist or homophobic.
Yer outta yer league in here, hoss.
You don’t even know the players.
Ron Paul IS that, it’s been shown to light for almost a decade now here at FDL. You can google it for yerself.
You disinform reality and truth. I guess the trollbot software is fully engaged.
Harumph.
Yeh, search FDL archived diaries by his name and do yer homework.
Or, google or yahoo if yer lazier.
*G*
EB, sorry, but I don’t seem to lump you in with ‘we’, or proggys for that matter. Because you DO jive with Teh Pauls.
I’ll leave you out of my considerations in the future, I promise ya.
*G*
Call me confused Powwow . . . what possible amendments would you be seeking to come about?
I’m real confused on this Senate maneuvering . . .
Is ANY of it in the interest of refudiating or eliminating The Patriot Act? WHich I think has been a POS Sedition Act of the worst sort.
Kiss Magna Carta and habeus adios POS bad.
I guess I meant that we can kiss Magna and Habeas (sp corrected) good by, and that’s bad, because of The Patriot Act.
Sorry.
Yeh, but we got’s to do what we got’s to do.
Thanks for putting it so clearly.
[D]o they only need a majority for the amendments to pass, or a super majority?
Under default Senate rules, an amendment needs only simple majority approval to pass. But we know that the Parties don’t like to play by those default, public-debate-centered rules anymore. So they spend hours in backroom negotiations trying to reach unanimous consent agreements about which amendments will see the light of day (how many from each Party, and on which subject matters, etc.), what vote threshold each amendment must obtain to pass, and how much debate will be allowed before each vote is held.
In short – there’s no way to know in advance, in these situations, whether an amendment will be forced to obtain a supermajority for passage, or not. A serious negotiator would hold out for a standard simple-majority margin for their amendment, unless he or she knew that the amendment already had overwhelming support.
Regardless, I think Reid is going to make sure the amendments get shot down because they’re doing this right before a holiday ‘because we have to pass something,’ and if the bill the Senate passes doesn’t match up with the House Bill they’ll all probably have to stay over the weekend.
That’s a very accurate description of the obvious safe bet, here, john – though I think that the entry of Wyden and Udall (of the Intelligence Committee) into this debate may have made a real difference (I saw Feinstein, Reid, Udall and Wyden huddled on the Senate floor during voting late in the day, obviously doing more than gossiping, and wondered…). You may yet be proven right tomorrow – the terms of the UCAgreement, if any, will tell us a lot, and we’ll soon know how any votes on amendments turn out – but, as I indicated, I’ve got my fingers crossed.
Also, FYI, the House Rules Committee/Boehner (without bothering to announce its intentions in its meeting announcement), has had a PATRIOT Act vehicle teed up for passage in the House in one day since Monday (via passage of a same-day-consideration rule). And the House doesn’t have a separate bill of its own (they’ll be considering the Senate amendment(s) to the House amendment to S. 990.) So anything the Senate does to the legislation could be adopted in a day by the House. Obviously, though, we don’t know whether or not if Boehner says Jump (to do what the Senate did) at the last minute, House Republicans will in fact Jump, or whether they’ll force another course of action.
[Thanks for the heads-up about your link.]
The absolute minimum would be the Leahy/Paul amendment (officially enacting into law restrictions that the DOJ has itself volunteered to implement, without objection, and bringing the legislation into line with a previous Judicial Branch determination that it exceeded Constitutional limits in places).
But see also the Wyden/Udall article at HuffingtonPost that I linked at 3:53 p.m. above, which outlines some important changes they’d like to see made to the legislation – particularly to force public release of OLC interpretations of the PATRIOT Act. Both Wyden and Udall also have other amendments, born of their experience on the Intelligence Committee, that sound very deserving of consideration.
In addition, of course, Rand Paul, among others, has at least 3 or 4 amendments he wants considered, whose contents I haven’t been closely tracking (though one seems to do with the collection of gun-ownership records). Rand Paul definitely has an interest in ending the PATRIOT Act altogether – but that was probably one of the 11 amendments that Paul earlier agreed not to insist upon, before Reid blew that negotiation up with yesterday’s antics. I think it’s safe to say that without more public information (see the Wyden/Udall efforts), at minimum, the PATRIOT Act as a whole won’t be going anywhere for the time being.
As you seem to infer, all of this fighting-by-our-fingernails for at least some progress here, really amounts only to improving things at the margins. This is a rearguard action, but one with the potential to wake up some larger portion of the media and the public to what’s been going on behind the scenes.
Who are the players? Are you one of them?
The latter YouTube contains the comments that Senator Paul made (Tom Udall of NM, Jim DeMint of SC and Mike Lee of UT also joined him on the floor) about the PATRIOT Act, and the Senate’s refusal to work on the legislation, between 2:15 and 3:00 p.m. today (Wednesday, 5/25) – that is, the comments Paul made just after my previous comment was posted.
I stand corrected. I should have actually watched the clip before jumping to conclusions.
That YouTube from jumper is actually the second half of an amazing exchange between Harry Reid and Rand Paul, that took place between about 3:30 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. Wednesday (after the earlier debate I watched and referenced). I missed this exchange altogether at the time, and seeing it now makes the appearance of an agreement between Reid and Paul by about 7:30 that evening all the harder to believe. It’s amazing both for the ugly demagoguery and blame-casting of the tactics Harry Reid deployed, and for the maturity and principled rebuttal the rookie Senator Rand Paul displayed in response (while calling a Reid accusation “scurrilous”).
[One patent falsehood told by Reid there is his claim that the Senate has been on this bill (and debating it) for "six days," by pretending that the Senate was somehow in session all weekend - when in fact the Senate was adjourned until late Monday shortly after Reid filed the motion to proceed and motion to invoke cloture, simultaneously, on Thursday evening. There wasn't the chance for word one of debate on this bill until 3 p.m. on Monday. Which makes about two days of possible debate time (and zero amendment time), maximum (if there were no other Senate distractions or votes), as of the time Reid was speaking.]
Here’s a clip containing both Reid’s opening salvo, and Rand Paul’s admirable response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4imruU6Zas&feature=channel_video_title
For anyone who’s interested, the earlier, lengthier Paul floor debate I watched on Wednesday afternoon (5/25) is collected, in four parts, in these YouTube clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l29mbax-DI&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Fy2nAzTV4&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIofwhcZwLo&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7uIeZiHT1g&feature=channel_video_title
Something else in the backroom plotting about this that I missed, is the fact that Harry Reid had apparently devised an aggressive way to wait out the 30 hours of post-cloture debate time that Rand Paul laudably planned to refuse to waive on Thursday. Reid was going to wait until midnight Wednesday, so the Senate could technically be in compliance with Rule 22′s requirement of waiting one day before a cloture motion receives a vote. Then, one hour after the new day began, at 1:00 a.m., Reid was going to hold the cloture vote on his motion to concur. That way, if the motion passed, the 30 hours could start tolling immediately, and would run out at about 7:00 a.m. Friday (if Paul let them toll overnight, or the Senate stayed in session). [And remember - the 1:00 a.m. vote would have been all Paul's fault, according to Reid, even though Harry Reid's the one who voluntarily and deliberately invoked Rule 22 procedures to override the Senate's default rules.]
But part of whatever agreement is being worked on apparently now includes letting the clock start running at 1:00 a.m. tonight, even though the cloture vote won’t be held until the usual time Thursday morning (at 10:00 a.m., after the Senate reconvenes at 9:30). So, again, if a different agreement isn’t reached, and if Paul agrees to let the clock run all night both nights, the Senate may take a final vote early Friday before sending this legislation to the House.
What a telling saga, demonstrating how far the Senate has fallen under Party rule, generated by a simple effort to make the U.S. Senate do a minimal job on one piece of legislation…
Here’s a Rand Paul press release from Monday, summarizing eight of the amendments he offered (plus the Leahy/Paul amendment):
http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=159
See also this emptywheel post for more information about the important amendments that Mark Udall and Ron Wyden are recommending:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/05/25/the-governments-patriotic-databases-on-innocent-americans/
I know you’d prefer to have been wrong, but I want to acknowledge that you were in fact proven right today, john. Your experience-born mistrust of Harry Reid proved more accurate than my hope for meaningful pushback by Democratic Senators against their Party’s corrupt power structure.
The final vote is in, on the rubberstamped four-year USA PATRIOT Act extension: 72-23, as of about 5:40 p.m. on Thursday, 5/26 – the last rollcall vote in the Senate for the next 10 days.