Dueling resolutions from Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner and Democratic House Representative Dennis Kucinich sparked a debate in Congress. The debate centered around the War Powers Act, the US Constitution and whether President Obama had violated the law by taking the United States into a war in Libya.
The Kucinich Resolution (H.R. Con. Res. 251) aimed to direct the president, pursuant to the War Powers Act, to remove all troops from Libya within fifteen days after the resolution was adopted. It was an attempt to force Congress to exercise the authority that it has under the Constitution to decide when and where troops are deployed for wars and whether or not wars should be launched.
In contrast, the Boehner Resolution (H.R. Con. Res. 292) was offered by Speaker Boehner to take the wind out of the sails of the growing bipartisan movement, consisting of anti-war Democrats and anti-interventionist Republicans, who were ready to assert Congress’ legislative authority and oppose the further expansion of the Executive by the Obama Administration that has taken place as a result of the Libya War.
The resolution brought by Rep. Kucinich failed 148-265. Speaker Boehner’s resolution passed 268-145.
The passage effectively stymied Rep. Kucinich’s genuine attempt to bring an end to the shirking of constitutional responsibilities in matters of war and peace in Congress. It aimed to halt the operations that had been initiated by the Obama Administration without congressional approval. But, as evidenced by the debate, despite the near unanimous recognition that seventy-seven days into the war the Obama Administration has the US embroiled in an illegal war and Congress has abdicated its responsibility, the majority of representatives in the House were reluctant to actually exercise the authority, which the Constitution grants them.
Representatives, who understood the weight of the moment, attempted to reason and convince a servile and overwhelmingly deferential majority that there needed to be action. They called out Speaker Boehner for offering a resolution that sidestepped the responsibility Congress is supposed to uphold.
Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN), who co-sponsored the Kucinich Resolution, expressed his concern with what Boehner had put forth for debate. The resolution, Burton said, reads, “The president shall not deploy, establish or maintain the presence of units and members of the United States armed forces on the ground in Libya.”
Most of our wars that we fight now are fought from the air or from battleships. We’ve had about 250 missiles fired in Libya and about 226 of them are American. We’ve spent over three quarters of a billion dollars already and it will probably go over a billion. Now boots on the ground says that were not going to put troops into Libya, but we’ve got ships off shore, we’ve got planes in the air, we’ve got airmen who are at risk every single day and we’re committing military forces in Libya even though we don’t have boots on the ground.
Representatives Barbara Lee (D-CA) and Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) both addressed the folly of the Boehner resolution. Rep. Lee said the debate was long overdue and noted on March 30 she and a few other representatives had sent a letter to Speaker Boehner and Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor urging debate and a floor vote on the president’s authority to continue to use force in Libya. More than sixty days later, Speaker Boehner suddenly scheduled a vote on a resolution that Rep. Lee said “politicizes a serious issue.” And, Rep. Woolsey noted the House overwhelmingly passed a Kucinich Amendment two weeks ago that was similar to what was being debated today but Speaker Boehner did not want to let Congress do the right thing so a resolution to “take the air out of questions over the War Powers Act” was being considered.
Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) stood on the House floor and took a sledgehammer to every justification and reason for supporting the Boehner Resolution and not asserting the authority granted to Congress under the War Powers Act.
… This is innocuous legislation. First it starts with a sense of Congress about our opinion as to what should and shouldn’t be done. It has a sentence that purports to prevent the president from putting ground forces in Libya but in fact just states that that’s our policy. It’s certainly not designed to prevent him from doing so it just says it’s our opinion that he shouldn’t…
Noting that the Boehner Resolution would hopefully require a number of questions be answered, Rep. Sherman added:
… Those who think that the questions propounded in this legislation are actually going to get us useful information are insulting the faculty of the law schools of America. Because both the Pentagon and the State Dept have lawyers capable of writing long and meaningless answers to every question we propound. And, as for getting documents, some of the documents we already have and some those same lawyers will be writing long documents about executive privilege. So we have here a document that is at most the questions for the record that the chairwoman of our committee allows me to add at the end of so many hearings…
He went further charging the resolution was actually designed to ensure Congress did not fulfill its constitutional duty and make it possible for Congress to “sidestep” the War Powers Act.
…It gives cover to those who don’t want to authorize or refuse to authorize. It says we’re an advisory body. We ask some questions so we can give you good advice. We’ll give the president some advice. It is part of the trend of an aggrandizing executive and a derelict Congress. A Congress that almost is complicit in this long process, where we are not deciders. We do not become legislators. We inquire and we advise.
Representative Ted Poe (R-TX) and Representative Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) put it even more bluntly. Rep. Nadler stated, “Shall the president like the King of England be a dictator of foreign policy, shall the president have the unfettered right to take this country to war?” Rep. Poe said he had served on the bench in Texas for over twenty years and tried several criminal cases and he remembers following the law. Not once did he sentence a person and later have the trial to prove sentencing him had been a good idea.
But, House members like Rep. Howard Berman (D-CA), Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) and Rep. Randy Forbes (R-VA) made excuse after excuse for why Congress should not fully exercise its constitutional authority and why there should be no withdrawal of troops from Libya. Rep. Berman cited neoconservative Bill Krisol and said that the US’ refusal to continue to act would send a message to allies putting troops on the line that the US was not dependable.
Rep. Ros-Lehtinen suggested a difficult situation would simply be made worse by taking such drastic action. News that the “House of Representatives had mandated a withdrawal of US forces would send a ray of sunshine into the hole in which Gaddafi is currently hiding” and it would be “seen throughout Middle East and North Africa as open season to threaten US interests and destabilize [US] allies.”
Rep. Forbes, while claiming he didn’t support the fact that President Obama had violated the War Powers Act, asserted Obama “has information many members of Congress don’t have that we need to have shared with us.” So, Congress should give him “some latitude” to present a case for war to Congress.
At least, Rep. Berman understood the War Powers Act was not invoked in Speaker Boehner’s resolution and at the very least Congress should set up a situation where they authorize and declare the Libya war to make it legal. But, for the most part, those in support of the Boehner Resolution appeared to care little about the authority granted to them.
As evidenced by Rep. Forbes and Rep. Ros-Lehtinen, since the war has begun, most members believe it is pointless to fully take a stand. The danger of this mindset is bad enough when considering the fact that this gives President Obama the range to simply launch illegal wars whenever his Administration finds the war to be justified. Rep. Burton pointed out Obama could attack Syria and little could be done if Congress didn’t exercise its authority now. But, more importantly, today’s wars are protracted, dirty, costly and often are open-ended. Forfeiting the authority to declare simply affords the Obama Administration and future administrations the right to carry on any war and as many wars as they want with blank checks that will cost countless lives and waste taxpayer dollars on military adventures.
Nobody captured the reality of how partisan politics has typically plagued debates over war powers and or America’s recent tradition of protracted, dirty, illegitimate warring as well as Rep. Timothy Johnson (R-IL):
To my Democratic colleagues, I ask you to candidly acknowledge that war is war even when a Democratic president initiates or perpetuates that war. To my Republican colleagues, I ask you to acknowledge that a sincere and effective attack on our crippling national debt without defense spending squarely on the table is indefensible and disingenuous. To all my colleagues, I ask you to acknowledge certain realities. One, our global welfare kills American men and women and innocent people all around the world every day. Two, we cannot impose our standards of democracy, humanitarian and cultural, as much as we want to, on nations who don’t want to on nations that don’t care and resent our proclaimed role as judge and jury. Three, there is little if any connection between our actions in Libya and the safety of citizens in St. Louis, Missouri or Mt. Zion, Illinois.
To conclude, President Obama has America in an illegal war, which the majority of Congress prefers to not make legal or consider ending for fear of alienating allies, sending the wrong message to America’s “enemies,” and other nonsense that those corrupted by power use to justify unjust behavior. The Congress can scarcely come up with a reason why Libya is in America’s national interest yet it pushes on as if it in the end it will make a profound discovery and find some reasons why it was good all along to launch a war.
Bush Administration lawyers did not think congressional authorization for the Iraq War was necessary. Then-Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) considered the push for authorization to be “a blatant political move” that was not helpful. Now, in Congress, Speaker Boehner and others find it to be not helpful to get authorization yet they think the Obama Administration has shown contempt for Congress.
Obama Administration lawyers do not think they need congressional authorization for Libya. As with the Iraq War, it does not appear members of Congress have looked at any intelligence or actually know the details of what is happening in the ground. They are only capable of discussing the war on a cosmic level and in terms of how it can build on America’s image as this mythical beacon of freedom and democracy.
The humanitarian argument for the war grows weaker by the day. If Americans believe in the Arab Spring, then there is no justification at all for a war that subverts the self-determination of the Libyan people by engulfing a revolution in an international intervention.
The casual indifference toward getting authorization, however, should not be surprising to anyone that understands how post-9/11 the law has become a supreme inconvenience to those in power. Terror suspects are now tried with military tribunals because civilian trials just might lead to evidence that was obtained during torture being thrown out. Accountability for those who authorized torture or committed war crimes is cumbersome. Impunity is defended because it means society can look forward and not backward.
Rampant warrantless wiretapping, the thumbing through of bank and gun records without probable cause and the body scanning and patting down of American bodies at airports in violation of rights to privacy are each socially and politically acceptable because civil liberties are supposedly a nuisance to those who need to fight the war on terrorism.
One can be grateful that a debate did in fact happen because on the Patriot Act extensions voted on just over a week ago little debate occurred. But, as it seems all Congress can bring itself to do is vote to criticize the president, (perhaps because it knows full well that in the end the Obama Administration, as the Clinton Administration did with Kosovo, could simply defy Congress and keep the war going), what we Americans have is a branch of government that lectures and provides advice to an increasingly powerful executive and the reality that a constitutional law professor sits in the White House conducting an unconstitutional war with little conscience for what he has done to the rule of law in American society.



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The Hill points out more GOP members of Congress voted for the Kucinich Resolution than Democrats, making Rep. Johnson’s “war is war even if a Democratic president does it” even more appropriate.
I think the political posture can be assumed with no fear of contradiction or disagreement that there is only one voice in a dictatorship.
And that voice today in America is corporate money.
Congress today: the paid assassins of American democracy!
Only Kucinich and the father and son patriot combo aka the Pauls are truely peace makers. We should be watching impeachment hearings today instead of worrying about Weiner`s crotch. Obama is a war mongering tyrant and anyone who supports him for e-election is a co-conspirator in the destruction of our constitutional republic. My God, what does it take for progressives to join the Pauls in opposing this dictator. Zenostoa
Ain’t Fascism Wonderful?
Paul from what I understand would like to get rid of all social programs so why should I vote againt myself. I also don’t want that idiot son of his anywhere near the White House. If you think a broke down old man is going to change anything in DC I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Pedal this Paul stuff over at Prision Planet.
Let’s focus on the fact that right now progressives look less supportive of peace than right wing libertarians.
What are we going to do about that? That doesn’t seem right.
My Dear joeblue. It appears to me that there are more important issues for you than ending our constant butchery and restoring the civil liberties that we have enjoyed since Magna Carta. I could care less if a woman`s right to choose goes away, Pell grants for dullards becomes a thing of the past, and a gut busting depression throws 33% of us out of work. As long as we have Kansas and Iowa nobody is going to starve around here. I do care about the immortal soul of this country and I am sick of us becoming the 21st century version of the Mongols. Peace and freedom trumps a government mandated three squares and a flop any time. Zenostoa
My brother Gosztola, read Mr joeblue`s response to my Phillipic against Ghengis Obama. Equality of result is more important to progressives than the 1500 kids we are going to have killed and maimed in our foolish wars this year alone. Of course the ten thousand men,women,and children we blast,burn,and broil to death by accident doesn`t bother progressives like joeblue either. Zenostoa
“But, as evidenced by the debate, despite the near-unanimous recognition that seventy-seven days into the war the Obama Administration has the US embroiled in an illegal war and Congress has abdicated its responsibility, the majority of representatives in the House were reluctant to actually exercise the authority [or uphold the heavy responsibility that] the Constitution grants them.”
Exactly, Kevin. Thank you for this excellent recap of the debate, and of the broader context in which it occurred – due to the hard work of Dennis Kucinich, and his co-sponsors, who forced this debate into being, and clearly won the debate on the merits, hands down, regardless of the separation-of-powers-spurning, Party-ordered voting outcome.
Brad Sherman’s points, as highlighted in the diary, were some of the most potent, with regard to the failures of Members of Congress to do more than salute their Party leader(s). Representative Howard Berman’s remarks – by a veteran legislator, just-past chairman and now ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee – were pathetic, almost to the point of incoherence. It was a revealing debate on many fronts. Anyone who missed it should try to watch at least some of the debate, which may be seen here (during the first few hours of Friday’s House session). In addition to Kevin’s helpful overview above, David Swanson created a perceptive, short-hand Twitter record of Friday’s House debate as it happened, which I compiled into one comment here.
Perhaps no Representative was more obviously reluctant to recognize their duty – or more passionately opposed to owning the awesome power to declare war that the Constitution wisely vested in the Legislative Branch alone – than another veteran Democratic legislator, Rep. Jim Moran of Virginia, whose thinly-veiled, but obviously full-blown-authoritarian, sentiments I found jaw-dropping, and reprehensibly hostile to Constitutional self-government, coming from an incumbent federal representative:
Representative Dennis Kucinich, at the close of debate on June 3, 2011:
[I wrote a recent comment that focuses on the dramatic and dangerous (but often disregarded) transformation in the balance of power, between the Executive and Legislative Branches, that automatically takes place as soon as active hostilities using U.S. forces have been commenced by the President, particularly without lawful, advance authority from Congress. The House debate Friday vividly reflected some of the inevitable political and logistical complications created by that power-transformation, and helped underlined again why Congress must, somehow, find a loophole-free way to prevent future Congresses from ever again beginning a debate about the wisdom of a war only after non-emergency hostilities have already been unilaterally launched by the President. The diary I reference in that comment is this one, focusing on the War Powers Resolution, Libya, and the Senate.]
Golly gee. Congress is hiding behind O’s skirts. Color me surprised. Not.
This proves that the first official lie of a member of Congress is his/her oath of office. They swear to uphold the constitution.
How can you claim to care about civil liberties and say you could care less if a woman’s right to choose goes away?
As for Ron Paul, I disagree with some of his domestic policy positions, but I do share his view of foreign policy. I even donated to his campaign in 2008.
Unfortunately, all Congress is interested in is money. Libya controls its natural resources, its debt is virtually $0 (1 month’s operating expenses). Its currency is backed by gold reserves. It was in the completion phase of restoring the ancient aqueduct system providing water to parts of the Sahara to grow wheat adding to its independence. Foreign investments have been profitable for the nation both economically & diplomatically. Unlike other dictators the people of Libya have benefited from both natural resource profits but foreign investment as well. Every person of working age receives the equivalent of $1,000/month royalty payment regardless of employment status. Health care & education are government funded as is infrastructure construction & maintenance and the military all funded by oil& investment revenues.
So why would the people of Benghazi rebel? Could it be United States Institute of Peace (USIP) went to work inciting the youth of Benghazi into civil disobedience as it did before the Rose & Orange Revolutions of 2003+2004? Why you ask? How about Gaddafi’s considering requiring payment for purchase of Libyan goods to be in gold back currency, like the Dinar, instead of the international reserve currency the dollar? The USA will do anything to protect the status of the $ as world reserve currency. It has already overthrown one government(Iraq) that would have moved to the euro as soon as sanctions were lifted. Instead, well we all know what happened millions of innocent people died, a country was destroyed but the $’s status was protected & the profiteers made billions while the USA taxpayers foot the bill. Now they are after another country but this one had no debt & a modernized oil infrastructure ready for siezure by USA/EU petrochemical companies not to mention the billions in profit from reconstruction of no-fly-zone bombed infrastructure. And lets not forget replacement of the destroyed air force & resupply military. Unless of course rearming Libya is banded by the colonial forces giving the USA/Israelis a brand new military base.
So you see there will be no peace or Congressional interference in Libya ever! As in the rest of the Middle East & N Africa they will never have democracy or ever again have free health care, education, or a monthly allotment. They are in for the same fate as the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, & Bahrain poverty, homelessness, starvation, & birth defects from depleted uranium.
Excellent comment. Had I not been closing in on 2000 to 2500 words, I might have gone ahead and added Moran’s comment. I also realize that I am missing some good quotes from Kucinich in my post about the Kucinich resolution. Ah, anyway, the important part to me is what the Boehner Resolution was designed to do.
Consider this, Boehner just did President Barack Obama a favor. That’s right. The GOP, which liberals or progressives loathe, helped nullify the growing rancor of anti-interventionists and anti-war representatives, who want this president to follow the rule of law.
Simple. Do not vote for any incumbent. Not in 2012, not in 2014 — until they get the message. Do not vote for any incumbent.
Congress sucks, man.
This fairly well sum’s up that “the people of the United States” have no voice as our elected offal’s have declined to use the tools the constitution outlined for them. Is this like a theft of services?
If the President does not need to recognize the law preventing him from carrying on a war, why would he pay any attention to such a puny thing as a debt ceiling?
I’m living in Haiti at the moment and, unfortunately, TV and webTV are pretty limited.
Thank you for sharing Dennis’ words. I got misty-eyed… which is a much nicer feeling than how the words of Moron Moran left me.
I’m from the CT-5. My Congressman, Chris Murphy, is running for Lieberman’s seat. I hope his opponents (Tong and Bysiewicz) stand up in favor of the Constitution and take him to task for his opposition to Dennis’ (and even Boehner’s) resolution.
The heroic leaders of Woman`s Liberation never mentioned abortion reform in any of their manifestos. From Gloria Steinem to Germaine Greer not a word. Compared to the suspension of Habeas Corpus, warrantless searches, torture, rendetions, and secret government tribunals,abortion rights pale in comparrison. The Pauls both say that the Federal Government has no business even getting involved in the discussion.They believe the states are responsible for these laws. History backs them up. Abortion reform came from the states with the New York break through in 1973. Zenostoa
I watched much of the debate and applaud Rep. Kucinich for making the effort to defend the Constitution. I cannot understand why someone would even bother to run for House and not support this resolution which merely stated the obvious. Senator Obama understood that a chief executive does not have the power to initiate an act of war without congressional approval.
Democrats are such hypocrites on this issue. If Bush had done the same thing Obama did in Libya there would have been hell to pay. Instead not a peep from these cowards. Shame on them.
You weak willed progressive apologists for Barak the First need to re-read ” The Crisis.” ” These are the times that try men`s souls ” is as relevant today as it was when Paine`s words were read to Washington`s freezing, starving, and dispirited troops.Those who say they believe in freedom and liberty yet skulk around making apologies for our war state; whose only defense of Ghengis Obama is that George Bush was worse; who consider our soldiers as mercenary employees to use up in stupid wars as long as their social class is exempt from carnage are degenerate blood sucking vampires and would have prospered working for Martin Borman. Zenostoa
Democrats did exactly the same thing for Bush, remember Iraq?
oh contrare zenostoa, the attack on women is an attempt to turn us back into chattel, like we were in the treated in the 1800s when the husband did the choosing over which one would live or die, the wife or the unborn infant in cases of problem childbirth.
The right to choose is rooted in the right to privacy, or the 4th Amendment, the same as warrantless searches which you listed.
You are full of shit about Steinem, and since you mention their “manifestos”, please provide a link.
All part and parcel of women’s rights.
Gloria Steinem on Palin: Feminists Don’t Criminalize Abortion
GloriaSteinem: Women Need Abortions More than Breast Screening
If you are referring to the Equal Rights Amendment, it consisted of this:
Section 1. Equality of Rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of sex.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
I don’t know where you’ve been getting your education but the ERA is not the end and beginning of women’s rights. I suggest you expand your sources.
Not all Libertarians are right wing.
Look at Marco Rubio (pro war) and Jason Chaffetz (anti-war) , both are supposedly libertarians.
I think the difference here is authoritarianism.
Oh, yes. By all means. Let’s hear it again for that age-old rationale for staying in Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos after ten years of dismal failure, bankrupting costs, and dreadful destruction:
“If we stop acting stupidly, our friends won’t respect us and our enemies won’t fear us.”
Gee. And I always thought that our friends had no respect for our stupidity and that our enemies wished only to encourage more of it.
The United States of America simply does not have a sane or serious government.
Nancy Pelosi is as bad as Moran, and both are in the progressive caucus:
“The resolutions by Speaker Boehner and Congressman Kucinich, as currently drafted, do not advance our efforts in the region and send the wrong message to our NATO partners.”
Reid and Pelosi should be removed as leaders.
My Dear shekissesfrogs, I was not referring to the works of femminist leaders that co-incided with the flash explosion of abortion reform in 1972-1973. I was referring to works a decade earlier ala ” The Female Eunuck” and ” The Femmine Mystique.” I defy you to find a single pioneering femminist in the middle 60ties who espoused abortion on demand.Why did you who seem intelligent and literate resort to prfanity in reacting to my post? Had I touched a sore nerve? Admit it for all mankind and womankind to read. You would trade peace for abortion rights any day. Zenostoa p.s. Marco Rubio is not a libertarian, he is a proto-fascist Cuban who conned the tea party movement. You can not be pro war and a libertarian; you can be pro life however.
And that’s why even though these Libya War resolutions keep passing in the House, those running the “business” or agenda keep designating them “unfinished business,” as if there is some work that needs to be done.
Another great post Kevin, and some great commentary.
It was recently pointed out on Democracy Now, when discussing ME and the Wikileaks release of Obama Admin’s actions against the purchase of oil from Petrocaribe at a 40%(!) discount by both Haiti and Honduras (the two poorest nations in the Western Hemisphere – that’s right: poorer than even embargoed Cuba and war-torn Colombia), that one of the big reasons for the (illegal) removal of Gaddafi is the fact that he wanted a 20% cut of all oil sales. This was compared to the 10% cut that Sadaam Hussein wanted(!).
In a world run on petroleum, this is the obvious Realpolitik motive behind the illegal war in Libya. Not to mention US policy against Hugo Chavez.
On another note, it is important to point out again and again that the 1973 War Powers Act used to justify “intervention” was also violated by the Obama Admin: the situation in Libya was NEVER A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT (unless we want to stretch the definition of national security to include the easy obtainment of natural resources belonging to sovereign nations – a dangerous and illegal proposal).
“Humanitarian Intervention” is not defined as a reasonable motive for going to war, neither in the US Constitution nor the principles of Just War.
Moran’s rhetorical bullshit was disgusting – I am a Virginian, and heard this blowhard on CSPAN during a lunch I almost lost, thanks to Jim MORON. It was emotional pandering at its worst: Constitution be damned; it is how we feel about the plight of rebel fighters that is supposed to be of importance. Our emotional stance towards Libya is supposed to trump the US Constitution!
On a macro-political level, this is staggering. The parallels between Congress’s willing abdication of its vested powers to the Executive and the abdication of senatorial powers to the Emperor of Rome is frightening, and indicative of the Imperial system in which we truly live. Couple this with Sy Hersh’s recent remarks about Obama being a “captured king” of the Pentagon, and parallel that with the Praetorian Guard controlling the Caesars of a declining Roman Empire, and the direction we are headed in gets even darker.
Food for thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state
Why apologize for Kucinich’s effort this time, as “genuine”?
What makes you think I was apologizing?
Remember when the Bush congress received a large delivery of rubber stamps? It’s probably time for the Obama congress to get the same treatment.
Where, oh where, are all the Pelosi backers? Where are they now? I do recall quite a few of them on the forum in the days leading up to her becoming the minority leader. Look at what your glorious leader has done for you. Aren’t you proud?
Pathetic.
I don’t have to make a choice between abortion and war, it’s a false choice.
You cannot be a libertarian and be anti-choice.
…and be consistent.
I don’t understand your term “abortion on demand”. According to the wiki
“Intact dilation and extraction was developed by Dr. James McMahon in 1983″.
Abortion in one form or another has been going on for centuries, and so has the debate, but that doesn’t make attaining and maintaing the right to govern and decide for ourselves what happens to our own bodies any less valid.
Forced birth is slavery, and what we do to cows, horses, and dogs. I’m not the only one amazed at how so-called libertarians rationalize how in this one instance they can force their ideas of religion and morality on others, and equate zygotes with women.
Great article, Kevin.
How about misfeasance, nonfeasance, dereliction of duty, malfeasance for war profiteering? Are lawyers here that can tell us?
It seems the Congresses refusal to do their Constitutional duty should be grounds for recall.
If they won’t do the job we elected them to do then it is our responsibility to fire them and replace them with someone who reflects the views of the community not the party
Amen sister! Abortion on demand trumps all. Having to marry the drunken loud mouth business major who you got high with at the Homcomming party, is a fate no woman wishing to shatter the glass ceiling should be forced to endure. Children aren`t as important as having your name on the law firm`s letterhead. When you are 30 this makes sense but after suffering the pain of an empty womb your 60ties may be a bit on the lonely side. In America the people who we need reproducing don`t and the trash we can do without do. Zenostoa
Yeah, those selfish women…. After all, you know best and your wisdom should supplant these selfish women’s judgement, because not only will she be sorry later in life, we as a country might run out of babies.
Maybe we should hook women up to milking machines too. If one of them chooses to go back to work instead of staying home with the zygote she was forced to grow, well thats not good for the it either.
Clearly you know best.
and who exactly is the trash who are having babies? Somehow we should be able to stop them from reproducing too.
and what is abortion on demand? Sounds like a cable tv program.
Surely,you who would never have to suffer this fate are most capable of replacing your judgement with of these inferior creatures. Some libertarianism you’ve got there.
Also the situations you’ve listed that women might seek an abortion is very limited, and excludes a myriad of situations that older or married women, and women with children might find themselves. Also, the forced birthing laws you defend end with the fetus and don’t deal with the real world consequences or needs that follow.
Your ideas are consistent with social darwinism — not civil libertinism; something progressives rejected and those views are consistent with anti-war ideology. Social Darwinism isn’t.