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This is the most beautifully crafted, disgusting piece of bigotry that I have ever seen. Can you believe there are women (really anyone who is not a white upper class man) in the world who actually believe that discriminating against someone is ok? And, really, what would the world be like if employers were not required to provide insurance that covered birth control? More unwanted kids in the system and being abused (by more than just catholic priests).
Beautifully Crafted Bigotry Is Still Bigotry |
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| By: kristenh Saturday April 21, 2012 3:38 pm | |
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Thank you to the mod that embeded the video!
[pre-comment disclaimer: currently unable to view the video b/c I have no sound, so correct me if I miss the whole point]
Well, actually, what I cannot believe is that there are people in the world, male or female who believe that it is okay to discriminate against other people, simply because the other people belong to this perceived group or that one. The reason I say it this way, is that to say, “I cannot believe that there are women who believe xyz…” can be possibly read as “I can believe that men discriminate, of course…” which is not, I am certain, what you were saying here at all.
Correct if wrong, but you may be saying, “Can you believe that any group that is itself the subject of discrimination would then turn around and discriminate against another marginalized group?
Yes, unfortunately, I see this a lot. Do I understand it? No. But I suspect it may stem from needs within the person doing the discriminating. Broad topic, because bigotry can be both subtle and blatant.
Good topic, thank you!
Example subtle: The infamous Many of my friends are [insert group]
Example blatant: What you point out about birth control, maybe? I am not great with examples, but hope you get my meaning.
Sum: We are on the same page!
Leni Riefenstahl redux!
As a fallen Catholic, this is painful to watch. Where is the Church when we are announcing the “need” to bomb other countries into submission? The last part of the Cardinal Dolan’s statement about life being sacred is that people should be allowed to have a natural death. Not a death brought about by bombs, or torture in an Abu Gharib. Nor a death by drones. Yet the Church almost celebrates the entrance of its young people into these endless wars against the Muslims nations.
And it is not a violation of religious freedom to have the Church and its many institutions pay for health care for women, which happens to include contraception.
Some fifteen percent of all pregnancies end up in miscarriage — often before the woman even knows she is pregnant. And often t is miscarriage is on account of the terrible work conditions that women endure. Yet the priests never refuse communion to any of the wealthy who allow the workplaces that are filled with so many contaminants. (And these days, the office is worse than almost any other place out there.)
No the rich adopt work place practices that end many pregnancies, but since that is done for profit, it is fine. But if a woman “chooses” an abortion, she is anathema… Why do some of us find this a contradiction?
That is exactly what I meant. Thank you. I was angry-typing…doesn’t always work out well. =)
Exactly! I have only recently began attending church again and only because I found one that is accepting and non-judgmental of anyone(at least as far as I have seen).
This video was posted by my own mother on her FB. I have such a hard time with the hatred and judgment that she exudes on a daily basis, but justifies it because it is in the “name of God.”
It bothers me to see people hated and killed and discriminated against in the name of the same someone who they also say represents love. It baffles me.
I can totally relate, and I agree with your message!
Peace out,
That person who scored to the left of Gandhi in last week’s blog, wink, nod.:)
IMHO, health-insurance companies should be required to provide special, separate insurance for Catholic institutions, insurance that does not cover contraception. But, the actuaries should be required to accurately price that coverage, given that additional obstetric, neonatal, and pediatric care will be required. I suspect that it will be significantly more expensive and the Catholic Church and its institutions should be required to pay the difference.
So I guess being against teh gay, being for infanticide and back-alley abortions, and protecting a religion’s “right” to override the rights of its employees, are all solemn, non-negotiable, tenants of Catholic faith. Even though Jesus uttered not a word about any of these in the gospels.
OTH, slashing food stamps, throwing people off unemployment insurance, sentencing them to a premature and preventable death via lack of access to health care, and preemptive aggressive war–hey, that’s “negotiable”. Or so it would seem, despite the Catholic bishops weighing in on these issues too.
And of course, I note that the historical Jesus not called the poor “blessed”, he gave the Wall Streeters of his day an ass-whuppin’ in the Temple, railed against the comfortable thou-shalt-not doctrine of his current crop of religious fundies, and said some very discouraging things about the afterlife prospects of the well-heeled.
-stewart
Why should Catholic churches be allowed to not provide necessary medical items to their employees? If it’s because it’s not something they believe in, then where do you draw the line? Christian Scientists don’t believe in medicine of any kind, Jehovahs Witnesses don’t believe in blood transfusions, and Muslims and many Christians don’t believe in transplant surgery. Should all of those procedures be denied as well?
*hitting the imaginary “like” button. =)
Because they’re squealing victimhood. So, let them not, and force them to pay the price difference.
Thank you, KristenH. How apropos! I just noted in my notebook a quote by Sister Beth Rindler of the National Coalition of American Nuns, in response to the Vatican attack on American nuns. Sister Beth Rindler says, “What woman truly believes she is not equal to a man?”.
Fuckin’ A! Troubles are fermenting.
I think my rogue Catholic cousins in Wisconsin might be part of the supporters of N.C.A.N.. Since the cousin my age ( nun novice) ran off and lured a promising young priest away from his calling. And all hell broke loose. Especially, because they chose to work in the fringe elements of the Church and help the needy.
Then they had 3 kids and all was forgiven.
This video is just another example of why organized superstition is so wrong. Wanna believe that there is some omnipotent sky daddy that takes an interest in what you do in your tiny, little, insignificant lives? Be my guest, I’m hardly in a position to tell people how to live but when you use it as a justification to treat other people as less than people or as a cudgel with which to beat people who disagree with you into submission, it’s gone too far. It disgusts and bewilders me that in the twenty first century so much of our dialogue and policy is based on a two thousand year old myth.
Is equating religion with organized superstition the same as a cudgel? I really don’t know. I often find the hostility and criticism as offensive and intrusive as extreme religiosity….Just MVOH……
You know my position on religion Rev, it hasn’t changed. I’m a little confused as to why you would want to pick a fight with me over this. I’m going to clarify my position on this since you’ve apparently chosen to forget that which you knew. I have never, nor will I ever, deplore peoples’ honestly held beliefs. I only deplore people who use their beliefs as a weapon against others. My opinion of religion is that it is, BY DEFINITION, superstition, period. Just because a superstition is accepted by the mainstream doesn’t make is “special” or entitle that particular dogma to be free of all criticism, like you seem to be implying. You are suggesting disparity where there is none. Pointing a chicken bone at somebody isn’t going to kill them, a sneeze isn’t the expulsion of evil spirits and there is no empirical evidence that “god” exists. One would think that such a being would be easy to confirm if that being actually existed.
I’ve never made fun of your faith Bev and you know that but if you’re going to start attacking me over my beliefs, (like I have never done to you or yours), all bets are off. I expressed my opinion in the comments like I always do. Isn’t that what you do? Why are mine suddenly out of line? My comments are extremely mild compared to some of the atheists around here who I have sometimes defended YOU and your faith against. I’m not your enemy so please don’t make me one.
I asked a straight question about “equivalence”….same as. That does not seem to be picking a fight….No more questions…..
well said.
Bull – you said “why organized superstition is so wrong.”
That is not “I have never, nor will I ever, deplore peoples’ honestly held beliefs.”
I’m all for allowing people and organizations to live out their own choices and face their own consequences, but it seems to me that this action would hurt a whole lot of innocent bystanders in the process. In my opinion, the justification is not there to do so.